Julian Richards vs. Tony Robinson on the future of TV archaeology | DigNation 18

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DigVentures

DigVentures

4 жыл бұрын

Archaeologist Julian Richards has to keep reminding people that he was never actually on Time Team. In this talk, he charts the fascinating history of how archaeology has been seen on TV - followed by a lively debate about the future of archaeology on our screens - while being livestreamed around the world from a crowdfunded festival on a small island on Lindisfarne!
Slides available here: www.slideshare.net/DigNation/...
This talk was given at DigNation, a crowdfunded festival organised by DigVentures and Sir Tony Robinson in honour of beloved Time Team archaeologist Mick Aston. Learn more at digventures.com/

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@RobBoudreau
@RobBoudreau 4 жыл бұрын
I think a debate about whether archaeology shows need a presenter who's an archaeologist was already solved by Time Team. What made the show work was having Tony asking the questions the people watching would ask, with Mick or one of the other team members answering it in understandable terms. That was the magic of the show, the viewer felt like they were part of the conversation. They weren't being talked at, they were being talked with. You felt like you were part of the team, not just someone looking in from outside.
@fusion-music
@fusion-music 10 ай бұрын
As a Time Team enthusiast, I still really loved the format of Meet the Ancestors and Julian's presentation of archaeology. I watch little tv since these programmes were axed.
@helencoates3624
@helencoates3624 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Dig Ventures, for the people who spoke, for the people who were there but most of all for sharing these talks here on KZfaq. I love archaeology and history and anthropology but could not, on the government pension, ever afford to be there at your festivals, sharing these talks here has allowed me to take part, if only in a small way. Thank you
@ceeej1290
@ceeej1290 4 жыл бұрын
Are you in the UK helen? If so i cant see why you can't go if it's anything other than money stopping you
@helencoates3624
@helencoates3624 4 жыл бұрын
@@ceeej1290 Yes I'm in the UK Craig....A working life in the lower paid sector followed by £167 per wk, doesn't afford luxuries such as a visit to a site further than a walk away. Which is why I am so grateful to Dig Ventures for publishing these talks.
@ceeej1290
@ceeej1290 4 жыл бұрын
@@helencoates3624 set up a go fund me site it could work?
@7cColin
@7cColin 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent debate. I can't help but feel that the way forward for public archaeology is with the DigVentures format. I don't care if the camerawork isn't first class, in fact it can be very effective. Tom Hanks used hand-helds running up a beach with the actors and grainy quality film quite deliberately to induce the feeling of immediacy and involvement in Saving Private Ryan. For me those 'amateurish' sequences in Digging for Britain had the same effect. DigVentures are to be applauded for not only presenting excellent talks in this event but for some wonderful coverage of 'live' archaeology up and down Britain. More power to you.
@dmcgee3
@dmcgee3 3 жыл бұрын
Steven Spielberg was the director, Hanks was the lead actor, professional cameramen were running up a beach with actors along with a huge crew of top tier talent. The Omaha Beach scene alone cost $12million and involved 1,500 extras. A protective coating was stripped from the camera lenses, the negative was put through a bleach bypass, shutter speed as set to 90 or 45 degrees for battle sequences. So the point is that a huge amount of time, money, and effort went into achieving the effect, it wasn’t a few amateurs with cameras on a beach
@chrish.8241
@chrish.8241 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for posting this and good luck to all in whatever future programs come about.
@TernaryTrout
@TernaryTrout 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know if it counts as archaeology as such, but I'm sure I'm not the only Time team fan who follows people like Nicola White and Si-finds mudlarking on the Thames foreshore ..
@mwirkk
@mwirkk 3 жыл бұрын
I love everything about Time Team and everything that Mick brought to it! Thank you, as a life-long FAN from the U.S.A.! (59yrs)
@mwirkk
@mwirkk 3 жыл бұрын
Although. I would have thought, as someone from N.Am., that you could've gone a wee bit slower... maybe 5-7 days? Hasty... hasty always thought! ;)
@marcblack1
@marcblack1 4 жыл бұрын
As a long time fan of Time Team from Canada, I wish you all the best in all your indevores, I wish we had some of you here helping us find more of our own past even if we are a merre 5 to 7 hundred years old.. Keep up the great work.
@ThatLadyBird
@ThatLadyBird 4 жыл бұрын
Theres many finds on the west coast of canada well over 12k yrs old. But its usually just charred bits of old hearths and flint napping debris, so it doesnt make for splashy national headlines.
@Digventures
@Digventures 4 жыл бұрын
thank you x
@peneljsmith
@peneljsmith 3 жыл бұрын
There is actually a program on APTN, that has an Indigenous archaeologist taking two young Indigenous actors to various sites in Canada, and teaching them about archaeology. It's quite good.
@patlong3903
@patlong3903 4 жыл бұрын
Wish they had done something about the lighting of the stage when Tony Robinson came on the stage to continue the discussion.
@theknave4415
@theknave4415 3 жыл бұрын
"Mick Aston Memorial Lectures" sounds like a great idea.
@heliocentric68
@heliocentric68 4 жыл бұрын
These passionate archaeologists need to come together, create a youtube channel, deliver podcasts and regular short films and Q&As where possible. Build up the viewers, get subscriptions and the ability for people to financially contribute via something like Patreon. Im sure this would work, and I for one would be so happy and proud to contribute to any projects that would come from this endeavour. Forget about Broadcasting Networks, fewer and fewer people are watching TV anyway.
@Vincent112june
@Vincent112june 4 жыл бұрын
The odd thing is making video is far easier nowadays with everyone carrying a video camera and all DSLR's capable of video vastly better than the TV ones of the Time Team era. So putting together the camerawork aspect and editing would be a fraction of the costs it was even ten years ago.
@Digventures
@Digventures 4 жыл бұрын
that's true... but the ineffable magic of the cast of characters... well, that's no easier to create!
@Vincent112june
@Vincent112june 4 жыл бұрын
I doubt that would be any great problem. You saw the sparks of TV gold on that stage this evening. So you put two or three of the same level and magic will happen.
@dantrick7216
@dantrick7216 4 жыл бұрын
The idea that Prof Alice Roberts, a visiting fellow of Bristol's archaeology department, isn't an archaeologist seems an odd complaint to me.
@RobBoudreau
@RobBoudreau 3 жыл бұрын
Just watched this, and had the exact same thought. Prof. Roberts has much more than a few years of field work, along with all her other credentials. I think she qualifies.
@ThatLadyBird
@ThatLadyBird 4 жыл бұрын
I second that, please speed up the release dates.
@caroldavis47
@caroldavis47 3 жыл бұрын
I never cared for history out of a book. But this show made it interesting. Seeing how they made their homes, and tools etc. Was very interesting.
@naradaian9196
@naradaian9196 4 жыл бұрын
Oblique comment but so far i have watched zero netflix during lockdown and Im glad for the efforts to get content such as this out. Maybe social archaeologists in a future will dg thru diggers comments for signs of the times. Good stuff
@MelissaThompson432
@MelissaThompson432 4 жыл бұрын
I think it's quite possible to take a longer view of active sites through a seasonal TV format; you're doing it with Lindisfarne, and TT came close to it with several episodes where they joined active digs (like MPP at Salisbury Plain, for one...) as a sort of interface between nuts and bolts archaeology and the relatively unknowledgeable public. What it would take would be to join several active sites per season, rotating them out so the media people aren't a huge disruption to progress, but just present enough to publicize progress: to come in when something is discovered, or understood, or there's an accumulation of context.... That way, with a good, attractive media team, who are both sympathetic to and knowledgeable about archaeologists and their work, and with a group of dig teams who can be presented as...I'd have to say, as educators...that audiences are sympathetic to and want to adopt, you won't have Time Team, but you might have the logical, natural, next iteration of Time Team.
@MelissaThompson432
@MelissaThompson432 4 жыл бұрын
*I do have to say, I'm thinking of an online series, not, say, Channel 4....
@MelissaThompson432
@MelissaThompson432 4 жыл бұрын
The last audience member made me think of something else: he's a commercial archaeologist, and that's not glamorous or romantic. But there is a lot of knowledge to be gained, and I think it would be possible to do a more specialized, not so much geared toward being popular, series about what that entails, and what can be learned. Phil at Wessex is publishing something of the sort; I guess you'd call them field reports, write-ups about Salisbury, and that won't be vastly interesting to anyone not from Salisbury, probably. But it's interesting to me, and I think (since it's not my money I'm talking about... 😉) that if it's tied in to genealogy, which is very popular, it could create a niche market. My Thompson ancestor came from Gloucestershire, and I settled on Wessex because Gloucestershire doesn't have a public profile like Phil's, and Salisbury is not that far away.... The histories of the two are probably quite dissimilar, though, and I wouldn't mind seeing everyday archaeology from Gloucester and other places my {however many greats} grandfather would have been and seen. I confess, I've never seen Julian's series and I don't know if what I'm describing has ever been tried. I do think it has a market, although, to be fair, not a big one.
@dennispepperack2973
@dennispepperack2973 Жыл бұрын
Imagine Phil as a presenter? ;-)
@paulmurgatroyd6372
@paulmurgatroyd6372 3 жыл бұрын
It's the presenters job to ask the experts the questions the audience is thinking of. Tony was pretty bolshy about doing this.😁 WHERE'S THE MOSAIC PHIL?
@CheshireTomcat68
@CheshireTomcat68 4 жыл бұрын
I disagree that crowdfunding is the way to go, when a lot of people put a small amount of money in, yet there are lots of perks for the rich few who can afford them, therefore putting a pay-wall in the way of a lot of people. I gave my 10 quid to the WW1 dig but got very little out of it except requests for more money and pricey special bonuses, so I lost interest. If you can keep the dig inclusive of everyone while getting enough funding then fair enough, but I don't think the model is quite there yet and more external money is still needed.
@paulotoole4950
@paulotoole4950 4 жыл бұрын
I think the fact that Mainstream TV is dead has not filtered through. Average interview on mainstream tv 8 minutes vs Joe Rogan on KZfaq at 3 hours. Hardcore History podcasts at 5 and 6 hours an episode. Dr. Rhonda Patrick podcasts (Her actual podcast not her visiting someone else) which make me feel dumb and require a lot of searching online. People make a living on KZfaq with a channel so why could a dig not do that? People talk about crowd funding what about Patreon? Someone said it, take control and use that passion to promote what you want to do. Not what you can get funding for, the dig you actually want to do, crowdfund it, film it and put it on KZfaq via Patreon. Tim Ferriss and some others have just crowdfunded LSD research because no one was interested. To be honest if you can crowd fund a film why not scientific research? One of the comments is big business funds what they want researched so that is what gets researched so crowdfund and change that. Why has no one got a site which is putting forward these ideas? You only have to look at Numberphile to know someone needs to rethink what they are saying. Numberphile is actually Tony's point to its logical conclusion and why is no one doing it for Archaeology?
@ceeej1290
@ceeej1290 4 жыл бұрын
The other thing that mick had was fashion?
@CheshireTomcat68
@CheshireTomcat68 4 жыл бұрын
Is there a reason you are spacing these out quite so much?
@janewhite2331
@janewhite2331 4 жыл бұрын
Good discussion enjoyed it
@seanirishterrier6588
@seanirishterrier6588 3 жыл бұрын
Mick’s legacy was to bring archaeology to the people, whether rich or poor etc. What I fear is that by doing by subscription only is taking it away from those who can least afford it thus making it elitist which was what Mick was dead against.
@Digventures
@Digventures 3 жыл бұрын
Who is doing subscription only?! We certainly aren't! This series of videos you're watching is available to everyone for free, as is almost everything we do. Mick inspired everything we do, and so we provide as many opportunities for people to be part of the process and do archaeology HANDS-ON (not just watching on the sidelines) as possible. Most of what we do is available for free. Some of what we do is crowdfunded, but even then we share all of our discoveries online and open access, with tonnes of opportunities for people to learn more online through everything we create. We do have a Subscription option for people who want to support our vision for creating more opportunities for more people to enjoy archaeology with us, but that certainly doesn't mean ONLY Subscribers can access those opportunities - they're simply the ones supporting our mission to bring more archaeology to the people. In short, I hope you're not worried about us 'taking it away' from people because we are literally working our butts off to do the opposite!
@seanirishterrier6588
@seanirishterrier6588 3 жыл бұрын
@@Digventures when I checked out the website I may have been mistaken but it said if I wanted to watch online the cheapest option was a £10 subscription. I know digs cost money but the beauty of TT was it was C4. I know times have changed & I certainly didn’t want to cause offence to your great work. Please accept my apology. But if it wasn’t for TT I wouldn’t have an interest in druids & the Celtic church.
@Digventures
@Digventures 3 жыл бұрын
@@seanirishterrier6588 No worries! And apologies if you've misunderstood what's happening. It sounds like you've visited the crowdfunding page. Yes, the lowest level you can crowdfund the dig is at £10. That's if you want to help us make the dig happen, and support our work. But we will still be sharing our progress on social media, and online, for people who can't afford to support our work. Our crowdfunders and subscribers do get a few 'exclusives' as thanks for supporting our work, but the vast majority is available to view online for free. Take a look at digventures.com/lindisfarne or at digventures.com/watch to see everything that's available for free. You might find you lose a good proportion of your weekend exploring! And we hope that if you enjoy it, you might in the end choose to crowdfund the dig to help us create more content and videos for others to benefit from. Although no pressure if you don't want to!
@sgrannie9938
@sgrannie9938 4 ай бұрын
I completely lost respect for Neil Oliver during lockdown 🤪
@Geraint3000
@Geraint3000 2 жыл бұрын
I remember Julian Richards being rather unkind about the Time Team back in the day. His own programme Meet The Ancestors on BBC2 was pretty dull. Just comes across as sour grapes to me.
@mickday352
@mickday352 4 жыл бұрын
He's a bit negative isn't he?
@MelissaThompson432
@MelissaThompson432 4 жыл бұрын
He's passionate. Passion and diplomacy aren't necessarily compatible. I do see what he's saying, and apparently, so does Tony, the non archaeologist presenter.... What I get is that he wants YOU to see his beloved like HE sees his beloved.
@mickday352
@mickday352 4 жыл бұрын
Sure Melissa, I understand, I've enjoyed his appearances on TV for what seems like "for ever" I like Julian and his enthusiasm for history But at the moment I wrote that I thought he was being very negative, opposing progress if you will.
@UPTHETOWN
@UPTHETOWN 4 жыл бұрын
Always seemed a little false to me, not naturally welcoming, unlike Mick who was so inclusive
@chrishunt6350
@chrishunt6350 4 жыл бұрын
Julian Richards, whilst being highly intelligent, is clearly a bitter and rejected man, and the perfect example of why an archaeologist should not present on TV or even try to do a talk about it....
@ceeej1290
@ceeej1290 4 жыл бұрын
Oooft mad stratigraphy with that comment 🤔🤔
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