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Killer interview, worth the wait, bring Jurrien back!

Highly credible guest who is at the top 3 ($5 trillion) of the asset management biz. Even though Fidelity is on the sell side, so much valuable than the dozens of influencers, as far as recommending BTC.

Great interview Natalie. I like how you progress the conversation by playing off of what your guests say, rather than just 'on to question #7 on my list'. I like listening to Jurrien considering his vast macro background. Neat to find out he cooks food at Burning Man - lol

Great interview questions and great explanations again, thanks for everything you have done and thanks to Jurrien for honest explanations!!!

Very smart and well educated guest 👏👏👏

Interesting guest. Lots of good info here.

@Natalie, you are simply a gift to the Bitcoin community and citizens that give few hours of their life to listen and learn about the one of the most important thing in life - Finance!

Wow, what a guest 🎉. As always great interview. You need to do something with those bots in the comments. Greatings from Poland.

Terrific guest, really appreciate having him on. Thanks!

lol a balanced portfolio. Bruh I’m trying to build real wealth not tred water. I don’t have a 600k retirement portfolio that needs a little jump to stay competitive. I need exponential growth So I don’t have a roommate til I’m 40. I can worry about managing my wealth when I actually have some. Til then and ( honestly probably even after)I’m all in on BTC.

Man the comment section is a cesspool of bots wtf

When BTC hits 100k, I will applaud him

Good lord, Natalie is just beyond stunning. What a smile. Normally wouldn’t comment on that but jeez. Anyway, wonderful episode.

Thanks Natalie, the show is very interesting, but you are always great!

Thanks Natalie... appreciated! Cheers

Fantastic insights. Thanks for sharing another interesting discussion, Natalie.

Natalie might be the first perfect human being

Gold has a $12T market cap and i dont think it will stay at $12T because investors will want more Bitcoin Therefore Bitcoin will overtake Gold's market capitalization very soon!

Fantastic interview. Thank you.

Great Q&A and insights

Not a shill, but that Times Square announcement was hard to ignore. Cyberopolis will be big!

Another excellent show, Natalie.

Greeting from Australia.

Excellent Interview!!

If I’m doing the math right, his eventual target for BTC is half the Market Cap of gold, so $12 trillion gold MC $6 trillion BTC MC (1/2 gold MC) $285,714 BTC ( $6 trillion divided by $21,000,000 BTC) Seems low. Am I missing something?

Good luck at Arsenal next year bro

Recessions usually start when the 10-2 spread un-inverts. I believe we are in the longest inversion in history, hasn't un-inverted yet.

When is Fidelity bringing Bitcoin ETF's to large corporation's 401K? This would be interesting.

BitCoin, There’s No Throat to Choke 😗

engaging chap. loved the listen

lets get in' bitcoins lets gooo

Over the last 6 years i been in crypto Bitcoin is my largest position

Burning man cred 😎

Price = 10^-17 days ^5.83

❤ Universe welcomes Digital Accounts

Amway still happening?

A for Effort….. he’ll get there…. They all will.

The stock market only cares about its liquidity is everything in the markets. If investors panic and pull out liquidity thats going to crash the market.

While investing in Bitcoin, your next investment should include Ethereum. Once you have Ethereum. Seek out the next piece of crypto that has been in its correction phase, Litecoin. If you look at your portfolio you have the 3 main cryptos, Solana still runs off of Ethereum and will never overtake Ethereum, Ethereum will never outperform Litecoin. Bitcoin will never outperform Litecoin. Litecoin should definitely be in your portfolio!!!

52:03. This is where he proves he has no idea what an S-curve is, despite all of them he's "looked at." S-curves have three parts: the early adoption phase, the mainstream phase, the laggard phase. Generally each of these three phases are equal length. So however long it takes to move through early adoption, is the same time it takes to move through the mainstream. His description is one where he believes we jumped immediately to the mainstream, never having an early adoption phase, and that we're now in the laggard phase (53:29), where things are "fairly valued" (55:00). Of course this makes no f-ing sense at all. We just barely got ETFs this year, and the vast majority of all available capital had no means to participate, even if it wanted to. He needs to read Crossing the Chasm, and understand that things slow down just as you are leaving the early adoption phase, just before the mainstream adoption phase, which clearly hasn't even started to begin yet. Comments on his other comments: 52:46. And rightly so. Address count does not indicate capital participation. This is a capital network, not a social network. Rate of address increase means utterly nothing to capital participation, and just because that's the only thing you can measure, doesn't mean it's reasonable to use it as a proxy. Capital follows a pareto distribution, and not a linear distribution, so address count **CANNOT** serve as a proxy, even as an imperfect one, as each node is not equally valuable, not by a LONG shot. 52:56 - Yep, that's what happens after you start to run out of early adopters, but still having not broken into the mainstream yet, to provide a new wave of adopters. But you haven't identified the first two phases, and so far, the asset is only 15 years old. Phases are generally 10-15 years long, depending on various factors, so to say we're in the third phase, after only 15 years is ridiculous. It's MUCH more likely that we're following a longer adoption phase progression, due to the nature of the participants and structures in question (old people control all of the capital, and they are slow to adopt, and the capital sector is the slowest sector to move), than that we're in an unprecedented hyper accelerated adoption pattern. Especially when so much of the world still has no idea what the asset really is, or what its value proposition is, and especially so amongst the cohort of people that truly matter (the capital controllers). 53:50. Gold was NOT a **NEW** asset class. It was simply re-introduced to the American markets. It didn't take a decade for the market to understand WTF gold even was. So drawing a comparison between something literally as old as dirt, with a pre-existing usage pattern, to a novel technological innovation, with no established art of science, is unreasonable in the extreme.

60% BTC 40 Alts? Sounds good.

Real inflation is well over 7%.....bonds are a losers game

80% drawdowns is a buy signal

Bitcoin Ethereum and Litecoin are in limited SUPPLY

Aruba power 🎉

Fidelity truly does not believe in BTC. They use and fire their staff and take their BTC ideas as their own.

As an investor you want pullbacks so you can buy more shares at a cheaper price.

Natalie, respect to your pro investors, but they tend to make the mistake of suggesting a course given their current state or bias. Maybe this advisor/analyst has always been an institutional who didn't make his first move with a ton of risk initially (via opm - other people's money). But whether he did or not, this narrative of "make sure you diversify" that I hear so often doesn't work for retailers. We don't have the money or the time to diversify. Same even goes for any successful investor who pushes the "diversify" narrative because that's what they do current state. They all had to take on a ton of risk initially to get to the point where they could "diversify." So, two narratives that I think are borderline useless for retailers who will either build economic security, or they don't: 1) They have to take risk initially to "afford" to diversify , and 2) just an aside, except for economic reasons, gold isn't even worth discussing for us retailers. Once one gets enough of it to represent a useful store of value, somebody will take it, either by surreptitious or overt means. The more gold the retailer owns, the less of a store of value that asset becomes because of lack of trust reciprocation and property rights that historically have plagued this asset. For better or worse, BTC (not "diversifying," and not owning gold) is our only way out of this fiat doom.

The guy talks up buying bonds lol

The Federal Government is overspending at the rate of 1 trillion dollars every 100 days. That is wild, out of control spending, which will only lead to the crash of the dollar. Everyone acts like that is not happening,

I will buy Bitcoin and cryptos when you can explain to me the origin of Tether since 2014. Who owns it, who manages it, and who oversees it to ensure that it has in fact a 1-1 backing with USD. If you cannot answer these questions, then you cannot confirm whether the price of Bitcoin and all other cryptos have been artificially inflated in order to drive investment and interest. Perhaps, you've been tricked into an "investment" area where you own digital air instead of buying REAL assets with your hard earned fiat. 😮 #Therugpullwillbemassive

No talk of Ethereum or $ETH huh?

This guy is in between a normie and a bitcoiner, as he does not think of Bitcoin as the most impactful change in society. Actually, his thought are completely traditionally based

Love BTC the most, but it is time to put some into presales. Cyberopolis is the next big thing.

Bitcoin is lucky to have J.T. in it's corner

If Bitcoin has a 30% pullback? Investors in meme coins would wake up one morning seeing that they were liquidated, completely wiped out!!!😮

But if fiat is losing value and been debae then ppl seeing Btc is performing better comon sense ppl will move to the best assest

What’s with all the bot comments

Will Bitcoin 'BCH' follow Bitcoin 'BTC' from $460 to $70,000 ? (given enough time and the prices BTC is expected to reach) Bitcoin Cash is up over 300% in one year, around twice as much as BTC... The BCH chart and price looks like Bitcoin in 2016

I'm ded 💀 this was so bearish

Nat you can go an have some lunch ,,these dutchmen keep ralikn

58:25. LMAO!!! It depends how capitalized your company is. If you're running so razor close to the edge, that a 70 vol asset is going to affect meeting payroll, than obviously not. But if you're a company like Apple, who has more capital than they have outlets for it, they can either hold on to it and watch it met away, or they can give it back to the shareholders. But this is them giving up their protective "fat layer." Fat is not for fast access energy, it's for the energy that allows you to survive the long winter. The fact you don't even have an opinion that looks out beyond the next pay cycle means you're missing the value prop entirely.

The biggest bear ive Seen

Bitcoin can SUDDENLY JUMP and the jump is by as much as $10,000 and thats when FOMO kicks in.

Bitcoin goes up +5% Ethereum is usually +9% Litecoin jets even higher from 21-25% typically so you can see if Bitcoin goes up Ethereum and Litecoin follow. Its a triple play holding those coins. I also find a very young crypto sister STELLAR LUMENS to change the world of finance. The potential for this coin right now could be 1000x. Chainlink would be lower at 750x Litecoin would be 250x-500x So do the math to figure out where Bitcoins price will be?

🎉😃😃😃😃😃

Bitcoin is 35 times more valuable than Gold

I think this man is too optimistic about the US, he is not taking into account the discredit of the elites, the social degeneration, the political and social polarisation, the sexual "freedom" (normalisation of abominatons) and the probability of an economic-job crisis will put the US into Weimar 2.0. That is precisely what Sam Zell says about the US, he should know, he is a billionaire Jew of Polish extraction, he remembers. The US will be saved by bringing in the Swiss political system. Just read about it and learn how real democracy that transfers power from politicians and lobbies to the ordonary people works better, much better. The rest is history, Switzerland has the best history of any country in the World for almost two centuries now. If Weimar 2.0 degenerates into dictatorship of the Right or the Left then Bitcoin would dissapear from the US, perhaps the World. Totalitarians are about central control of EVERYTHING. You will do a great service to yourself, the rest of us and bitcoin if you bring guests explaining the Swiss system and how among many other tops, the approval rating of Swisx politicians is about 80%. There is a lot more. TheSwissPoliticalSystem.

Btc to zero

Bitcoin is NOT exponential. It is scale invariant. This is why Plan B's S2F model was horse$@#!

Tired of S curve exponential analysis... you are incorrect. If you dont understand the Power Law you don't understand bitcoin.

The rich stay rich by spending like the poor and investing without hesitating then the poor stay poor by spending like the rich yet not investing like the rich

Gmab, anyone less than 100 % in Btc is clueless.. rekt ..lmao

Cyberopolis, easy 50-200x in next few months