In this video I share how I stopped struggling with toner transfer and now I just make my boards for a few dollars at the local mall. UV printers are an amazing tech that's gone unnoticed by the DIY community for some reason.
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@bruderdasisteinschwerermangel3 жыл бұрын
that's pretty cool, but malls with uv printers..? never seen that around here in Schnitzelland
@Ezio-Auditore94 Жыл бұрын
This is the good out of the box ideas that can change the way we make things. This can save so much time if your current method is down, and if you didn't have any means to do it, all of a sudden you have
@newthinkingtechnologies79145 жыл бұрын
I actually like your video, idea and narrative style very much.
@darkshadowsx59494 жыл бұрын
Hold on dude. not only is my nearest mall over an hour away but chances of them having this kiosk is questionable.
@PedroHernandez-sm8lg3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this! I just bought a used flatbed inkjet printer for making PCB's. I'm really excited to try this out!
@PeteTum5 жыл бұрын
Very informative video and a great idea.
@RodrigoVzq5 жыл бұрын
This is brilliant.
@bardenegri215 жыл бұрын
Very cool, never saw this process being suggested before. I'm definitely going to give it a try. Multumesc mult!
@virgilsutopia8395 жыл бұрын
Cu placere :)
@EXplorer1.61803 жыл бұрын
@@virgilsutopia839 Can you name some sites to download the example pcb design files. I'm a Mech Engineer and need it in dxf or dwg format
@edgeeffect4 жыл бұрын
Really like the style of your video...it could probably keep a copyright lawyer in work for a year.... but it flows really well.
@b.h42973 жыл бұрын
Have you tried this method for component layout (white) on top side of the PCB? If component and soldier mask layers are scratch resistance and of high quality, I may consider buying a UV printer for my DIY projects.
@owengenesiscacal79734 жыл бұрын
Great video....it's help me a lot
@sheepman62913 жыл бұрын
How accurate would the printer be if you flipped the board over? Do you think double sided is possible?
@MatthewKanwisher4 жыл бұрын
Great video, make sure more videos!
@beanieteamie74352 жыл бұрын
this is cool, thanks for sharing.
@deepakmecheri46685 жыл бұрын
I'm definitely going to try this out for our mini project this semester
@virgilsutopia8395 жыл бұрын
What are you making?
@nocultist7050 Жыл бұрын
4 years and this is still not a common knowledge. World is a bad place. Thanks for working towards making it better
@oa1700 Жыл бұрын
Another method that I found is using spray paint as photoresist and etching it with a laser. It should have better resolution than most UV printers (I know that some fiber lasers can do 5000+ DPI). A UV printer can also be used for printing a "silkscreen" after the board is finished though, so it can have 2 uses :)
@stevenkamala72384 жыл бұрын
thanks for the upload
@bruce-le-smith2 жыл бұрын
great video thank you, useful and entertaining
@pioneer19432 жыл бұрын
This is.... GENIUS!!!
@RaduOleniuc Жыл бұрын
Good idea, I like the creativity. What do you think, making silver ink with some UV compounds would work? As printing on some other materials instead of PC would be so much better.
@abigails.72813 жыл бұрын
What software do you use to design the circuit path for PCP board?
@mahadotube Жыл бұрын
i just started doing my own pcbs, and toner transfer worked fine from the first try for me.
@macho8555 Жыл бұрын
Nice idea to be onest , thank you
@shawnmelanson98284 жыл бұрын
how does this compare to the laser engraver method?
@KanalFrump5 жыл бұрын
Good tip! Thanks!
@virgilsutopia8395 жыл бұрын
My pleasure. I hope it helps!
@stevenkamala723810 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video, i have an issue, the etching removes the uv before properly etching the board . I am using hcl and hydrogen peroxide
@digimations29832 жыл бұрын
Hi. Your video is very informative and seems very useful. I have been on the search for such solution . Many people have failed because inks must be suitable for etch resist. I hear that lithojet inks are suitable for this job but uv print shops are not willing to try inks on their machines. Another question is resolution of the printer .What resolution are you printing?.So can you share with us printer type (head type if possible) and inks used. I got some tests with a local shop here but the dot dispersion won't justify at all the 1mil line you are showing . Great video though .Thanks.
@jasondaniel35943 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this
@RAndrewNeal3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I recently aquired a laser engraver for the same purpose, except it's burning a pattern in the etch resist (black spray paint) that I previously applied, effectively making it a negative of your process, which is really cool. If I knew about that, I may have considered it instead.
@tonikay8324 Жыл бұрын
I tried this method many times and I gave up because the burned spray layer (removed by the laser) keeps an isolated layer of burned spray which the etching solution doesn't reach I even tried to remove the burned spray layer with soap and water but it also failed
@RAndrewNeal Жыл бұрын
@@tonikay8324 It's a delicate balance; definitely not the most effective solution. The paint has to adhere perfectly, and the burnt paint needs scrubbed off, which can cause damage to the mask where it's supposed to stay. I've found that for simple one-offs, drawing the traces with a Sharpie works just fine. For anything with any complexity to it or something you'll want to produce more than one of, you could go the silk screen printing method. But don't be discouraged if it fails miserably the first time; there's a learning curve to everything. Or you could order PCBs from OSH Park. They're an American company that provides inexpensive boards to low volume customers (hobbyists, etc.). I really like them because I'm not shipping my money over to China when I use them. They aren't as cheap as the Chinese, but it supports the American economy and our autonomy.
@tonikay8324 Жыл бұрын
@@RAndrewNeal, good, you're supporting your economy keep America great, but I'm not from the US, thanks for the advice though
@RAndrewNeal Жыл бұрын
@@tonikay8324 Ah, well you're welcome. Maybe there's a low volume board house more local to you, if you ever need boards that are too much to fabricate on your own reasonably. I just try to avoid China whenever possible, and that is one way I found. I'd also like to keep my designs out of the IP-stealing hands of Chinese manufacturers. lol
@tonikay8324 Жыл бұрын
@@RAndrewNeal, yep, reject communist china, embrace the christendom
@mac_uk54645 жыл бұрын
I made a PCB for my college project, 1. Put your design onto an acetate sheet ( Printers can print on acetate). 2. Lay acetate design over a photo-etch pcb, & expose to UV light. 3. etch your board in the normal way. We did it in 1980's.
@Georgeelhindi4 жыл бұрын
You almost had me, you cheeky cheeky man
@yvesplusquin67088 ай бұрын
I have a CNC Router driller Jot / ozo automation with automatic tool change (it had a photoplotter but cannot find one). Can you use a laser engraver ? like 10 or 40W? Or where do you find a uv head?. The advantage of my cnc is I have pins to revert the Double face and the drill can be aligned . I have also a pen holder. Do you think pen paint will work? (this crazy machine works under dos with a PC386DX but I still do the maintenance and programming on it)
@Bianchi772 жыл бұрын
Nice video, like it, thanks for sharing :)
@roboticus36475 жыл бұрын
Nice! I've been using photosensitive boards and find them convenient, but don't always have blanks. I'm thinking I may have to try using UV curable ink on a board, then print to a transparency, and then expose via a UV lamp. Then I can prep blanks easily.
@SianaGearz8 ай бұрын
No. Just buy a roll of dry film photo resist that you can roll onto a blank copper clad PCB. Try getting a consistent layer thickness with a liquid? Better not.
@iam_mayurpatil3 жыл бұрын
how do we solder electronic components on this PCBs, is it done by normal soldering process ??
@jeremiaskorndorfersouza49224 сағат бұрын
I live in Brazil bro. I buy a 10w laser to make PCB and some fine cuttings because we don't have that technology around.
@namename89865 жыл бұрын
wouldnt they all be connected together?
@rickpontificates34063 жыл бұрын
I used to make homemade boards back in the 1970's - 1980's and it was always the same.. buy a pre-photosensitized PCB in a black wrapper, layout my pattern on mylar film with thin layout tape and an exacto blade, expose it to sunlight in a glass holder, strip the unexposed copper, etch the board and DRILL BABY DRILL. It would be easier today with everything being SMD, but the density of traces on my boards is also much higher now. Man! If I had a way to make good test prototypes now instead of going straight to production runs!
@mubafaw6 ай бұрын
Brilliant 👏
@MLJohnsonian4 жыл бұрын
I give you one thumbs-up for the helpful video, and a dozen virtual thumbs-up for the accent. Your real name is Boris, right? Don't disappoint me.
@imjeffvaderofficial4 жыл бұрын
Nope. Given that the mall has the present kiosk named in Romanian, but on the mall the OTP Bank name is in Cyrillic, I suggest he is from Moldova.
@WJCarpenter5 жыл бұрын
Your results look great, but I have a question or two about the mall kiosks. What has UV got to do with it? Do they have various colors of ink that they then cure under UV? If so, I guess that's because it's better than just having various colors of permanent ink (without UV curing)? Or do they just use say they use UV because they haven't thought of saying "blockchain" yet? :-) BTW, the hard part of home PCB making for me was always drilling the million little holes for through-hole components. The etching part was always lousy-but-good-enough.
@virgilsutopia8395 жыл бұрын
Yeah the mall kiosks use full color UV printers to put photos on phone cases, keychains, water bottles and stuff like that. Just look for any place that does personalized gifts or trophies. Chances are they have a UV printer under the desk.
@nikicha984 жыл бұрын
Are you from Bulgaria?? The mall?
@murraymadness46744 ай бұрын
All the malls have closed...where can I get a uv printer?
@DanG-ug1ed7 ай бұрын
Same problem with most pcb making videos. how do you register front to back for double sided printing? how do you plate through the holes? Nice try, interesting, but no cigar.
@cummibear69 Жыл бұрын
We got a fancy pants commercial uv printer at work. Except keks won't let me use it.
@koaasst5 жыл бұрын
i think ive seen methods like this where some sort of printer protects the copper while you etch it and then just remove the ink. maybe it was this method.. probably not that dot matrix printer though.. dang that thing was loud, and the paper had holes in it to ride the lightning
@HHHarry095 жыл бұрын
Nice test pattern. Would you mind sharing it?
@virgilsutopia8395 жыл бұрын
It's called "Laen's etching test board". You can find it at dorkbotpdx dot org/blog/laen/adventures_in_etching_the_test_pattern
@mortaldrumming5 жыл бұрын
good idea. what if I want to do a 2 layer pcb with this method?
@virgilsutopia8395 жыл бұрын
Drill a hole first for alignment.
@yvesinformel2213 жыл бұрын
@@virgilsutopia839 unless you have your own setup, that won't be possible.
@ZdravkoZdravko Жыл бұрын
Hahah, nice picture - mall from Bulgaria :)😃
@ememeable8 ай бұрын
Hi I hope all is well with you and the family Its been a while since this video I need your assistance regarding uv printer I would like to purchase one however cannot afford the thousands for now Maybe in the future if I should ever make a sale I don't know if you have ab idea we're to purchase them even if refurbished once I have also seen 3d resin printers with UV curling lights I thought I ask you if that is ok Finally the etching chemicals required Sincerely ejike
@heckyes5 жыл бұрын
Great!
@lotfiboukellala45839 ай бұрын
Do you try lazer pcb
@x87alpha13 жыл бұрын
if you're going to use a UV printer, may as well get a mini-vinyl cutter and use it. You'll get the same result.
@ejonesss5 жыл бұрын
what is the radio rat fg" you show the board at the beginning
@virgilsutopia8395 жыл бұрын
It's a Super Simple iPod FM Transmitter. You can find it on electronics-diy dot com
@robertstanca45505 жыл бұрын
How much do you generally pay per board (in RON).
@virgilsutopia8395 жыл бұрын
20-30 RON depending on the board and the shop
@jackevans23863 жыл бұрын
Malls with UV printers ? None here in Christchurch New Zealand yet.
@dhruvpatel21493 жыл бұрын
I was use polise remover and iron both i found good result
@alexstone6913 жыл бұрын
Sadly I don't have one available anywhere near me
@kirilnedev8 ай бұрын
Доста интересно, не бях чувал за тези принтери.... в TheMall наистина ли имат такова и къде?
@poijmc6064 жыл бұрын
Yikes! That's sick! Too easy to be true, must try
@andrewwatts19974 жыл бұрын
One major problem with this approach is, double sides pcb's are impossible to do this way. otherwize it seems lke a good way to make pcb's.
@yvesinformel2213 жыл бұрын
if you own the printer, you could rig something for registration
@freeman47264 жыл бұрын
Subscribed
@genadigospodinov54676 ай бұрын
1:31 Mall of Burgas?
@chikenpaww3 жыл бұрын
Next video, how to modified epson printer to using uv ink
@Investor_20003 жыл бұрын
Game changer I’d say.
@CollinBaillie2 жыл бұрын
Never seen one of these in Australia.
@jasons51523 жыл бұрын
Although I could be surprised, but I would see a kiosk charging no less than $10 to print...Good in a pinch, but doesn't seem cost effective for mass production.
@jugnu3618 ай бұрын
Ohh Thanks
@larrybud Жыл бұрын
Home PCBs are very easy, but you need to do it right: 1) The magazine thing is not ideal. Get real transfer paper 2) While every video I see shows someone cleaning the board, you also need to etch the full copper in your FeCl BEFORE transferring, You only need to throw it in the bath for 30 seconds or so. Then rinse it off. It will come out dull copper. The toner will stick MUCH better to it than a shiny board, even if you try to rough it up with steel wool or scotchbrite. 3) a regular clothes iron is lousy. I use a hobby iron used for covering RC airplanes. Set it and CHECK the temp. It needs to be 300 deg F. Also the iron itself needs to be flat, and then, very importantly, you need to FLATTEN it again on sandpaper! 320 grit works well. This thing needs to be dead flat. I regularly transfer very delicate lines very successfully. With the transfer paper (it's actually clear plastic), you can SEE when the toner has transferred, and you can lay it back down in case something didn't transfer over.
@djvaliro5 жыл бұрын
so then an modified inkjet printer should work aswell.
@imjeffvaderofficial4 жыл бұрын
As long as it may print in vector mode (as opposed to dots) and can handle solid surfaces instead of flexible sheets. So that's rather a plotter.
@chloemcholoe32805 жыл бұрын
My problem is with the aciiid ;( also I’ve never seen the uv printing things
@attilarivera5 жыл бұрын
Does it really exist?
@2roti2 жыл бұрын
Merci!
@Leezorc4 жыл бұрын
Laser printer works fine too. Just do a search on google
@WhatAmIGonnaGet4 жыл бұрын
Such a pain in the ass with laser. You need a perfectly flawless print which only seems to come from a brand new printer. The toner is expensive. Once the printer starts with the lines or faded areas, it is not useful for pcb printing.
@Patrickelectronics4 ай бұрын
1 mil is equal to .0254mm. Your 1mil and 5 mil is breaking up. You need to use 8 mil...because that line shows good all the way thru. That means you can't go below .1mm.
@serdombr4012 жыл бұрын
it is impossible to perform on both sides, so is the problem of drilling.
@Spllit15 ай бұрын
oh cool
@ovi_45 жыл бұрын
The vast majority of people in the world do not live near a business that has a UV printer nor have they ever heard of such thing at all . So you're simply stuck !?!?! No, that would NOT help a lot of people surely not. In my opinion, If one is skillful enough to be able to modify a normal laminator to heat up 195 - 205 degrees "C" and perhaps slow down the speed of the laminator by using a simple 555 IC timer circuit + a relay to drive/switch the motor say for instance : 4 seconds Forward and 2 seconds Reverse (and so on) the Toner Transfer Method is still one of the Best and the Most Effective/Affordable/Accessible Method with NOT too many chemicals and steps involved.
@GiocondoSticca3 жыл бұрын
HP LaserJet P1102w + laminator = same results without any problem. With a modified cartridge (with a white toner powder ordered on aliexpress) I can make also the pcb silkscreen ;-)
@evertspies33453 жыл бұрын
How about a video showing how its done.
@TX2015 Жыл бұрын
Probably the only downside to this method is owning/finding a place with UV printers. Where I live (latin America), no kiosc or mall has these at all. Neither can I find them being sold anywhere.
@robertnickels15275 жыл бұрын
Looks very interesting thanks. But you obviously went through a solder or similar plating step after etching as your test board does not show bare copper traces.
@virgilsutopia8395 жыл бұрын
Nope. That's the bare copper just under flash. It was very nice and shiny. If you mean the photo where the traces are black that's before the UV ink is removed with rubbing alcohol.
@tomtim21115 жыл бұрын
Very Nice.......Would you make some for me and how much thanks again
@attilarivera5 жыл бұрын
It is really Utopia
@kfcmcdonalds3 жыл бұрын
👍
@3dmixer5524 жыл бұрын
Uv printer at least 5 times more expensive than cnc. What are you talking about?
@firmman45054 жыл бұрын
sandwich foil Do you mean cling film?
@imjeffvaderofficial4 жыл бұрын
Yes, that.
@jeanyves5380 Жыл бұрын
Yes but since you do not know the quality of that printer : you can expect anything and most bad thing most of the time. The simplest solution is to project an uv image on the board after having sprading it with sensitive resine..
@OKOK-hm2is6 ай бұрын
Why would it be bad? I mean, resolution for typical hobby-grade pcb board is times higher that resolution of typical photos people make on this printers
@DzpcbElectronicWorld5 жыл бұрын
Be careful to not use any photo you found on the internet in you videos, some owners of these photos maybe don't agree with that without their permission.
@alejandroperez53684 жыл бұрын
Do they hold a copyright on those photos? no? Okay then, bye.
@channelname10yearsago683 жыл бұрын
@@alejandroperez5368 it's called intellectual property. How about reposting videos from other KZfaqrs? They didn't file copyrights for it. Why can't I just repost? Search for Intellectual Property Rights
@stevepreskitt28310 ай бұрын
@@alejandroperez5368 Can't speak for the rest of the world, but in the U.S., yes, they do hold copyright on their work as soon as it's fixed in a medium even if it's not registered. You might want to learn a little more about how things work before getting snarky with people.
@christiancoding3 жыл бұрын
1:00 Romania lol
@noway82333 ай бұрын
Itsnot very practical to searvh for a uv printer , i never seen that thing Where i lived, and i duibr they ate gone use it with a pc bord , not practical
@GoatZilla5 жыл бұрын
S-M-R-T
@mateuszabramek7015 Жыл бұрын
Yeah cool, or... 3D print one matrix and paint as many boards by yourself as you want
@edwardidema5 ай бұрын
still way too many steps, with too many chemicals
@sabrinavaillant62213 жыл бұрын
1:55 "go down to the ????? with a UV printer..." what ??? other parts of video are useless.