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No

No.

I understand that for the puppet, but for the boy? They could have just given him an actual glass. I only really noticed this when he actually drank the whole thing in a single sip.

I don't get why that was so difficult to get Like even a red plastic party cup would get the job done

@@caramel_frappe Considering it takes place in the 1800s, I don't think they would have had red plastic cups

@@CalebBurnsGamesDotCom thing is, its disney they do have the budget and time to get a puppet body to animate over to avoid the animation mistakes like the clipping n shit. but yeah the glass mug one made me fuckin speechless

Right?! It’s like they could have bought mugs and root beer from a Walmart for much cheaper than just trying to animate them! lol

unrelated but i really like your pfp^^

Damn, Disney took a joke from from the company made to spite them. They've fallen so bottom of the barrel, not even an anvil can go that low.

"It's a thong!"

Pinocchio does NOT intentionally grow his nose long enough by lying to get what he needs. When he lies to Jiminy to get himself out of trouble, his nose grows long and Jiminy says 'Quit telling those whoppers!" When he sees the key, he tells a white lie so Jiminy can get it and afterwards he admits his wrongdoings and his nose shrinks back to its normal size. There is no false/bad moral that lying gets you what you need/can help you, if Pinocchio had just admitted his wrongdoings to Jiminy in the first place instead of lying, the Blue Fairy would have appeared and unlocked the cage.

It's sad to see Disney parody and satire itself to one-up the company making fun of them. And then DreamWorks goes: "Fine, Disney. If you're not gonna try anymore, then we will. Here's _How to Train Your Dragon_ and _Kung Fu Panda_ "

*AW, WHAT?! SO PINOCCHIO SHOULDN'T NOT BE A USELESS CREEPY HUNK OF WOOD?!*

I completely forgot about this point and I watched the original about 3 days ago

So now she basically just rewards him for being a self prick with a dead wife and kid.

I mean that's his job, he builds clocks. He sells them because that's his job. But most importantly it brings joy to many people.

Its the same as when google removed the "Dont be evil" slogan after they became powerful. And now they make deals with China

Or that they think flaws shouldn't be overcome.

It's like some of you guys forgot Raya and the Last Dragon where everyone sucked at the beginning and sucked at the end but we have to pretend a great moral lesson about trusting eqch other to do the right thing was learned.

@@demo2823 or could it be that some of us didn't watch that trash movie

Because you can't actually show a hero being bad, that is way too scary. Kids will mindlessly do anything they are shown according to modern theory, therefore movie kids can never do anything bad. Or interesting.

That sounds like the nose is a stand. Lmao

No, instead of admitting his wrongdoings to Jiminy, he lies to get himself out of trouble which causes his nose to grow very long. Then when he sees the key he tells a white lie so Jiminy can get it. Afterwards, Pinocchio admits his wrongdoings which causes his nose to shrink back to its normal size. If Pinocchio had just admitted his wrongdoings instead of lying, the Blue Fairy would have unlocked the cage for him, and if he really told actual lies to get what he needs, the magic wouldn’t work. There is no bad/false moral here that lying gets you what you want.

The nose growing is supposed to represent how lies lead to more lies and thus a growth of the network of lies and their visibility. Having a growing system of lies to the point it is too big to hide is apparantly a good thing according to this movie.

@@1greninjawolfbossdeath648 right. They really butchered the original message of the story. What a mess.

also this gimmick was first used in shrek 2 due fact Pinocchio accidentally trangled himself on strings so he need to free his firneds so Gingy did it.

And also? They imply he doesn't sell his stuff?? When the whole point of his wish being granted is the fact he brought tons of children's joy with his toys

it doesnt even have to replace clocks with dolls, they could have just made it so there was this one clock that was really gorgeous and prettier than all the others, but its not for sale because he made it for his wife (or it was his wife's favorite, either works i guess)

Not to mention, making dolls seems like a way easier and more sensible method of adding those references. Just dolls of the characters, instead of clocks that incidentally have the characters pasted onto them.

"You know, my wife went cuckoo before she died. And that's why I make cuckoo clocks, they remind me of her." this would have been awesome backstory....

Puppets rather than dolls perhaps.

No, instead of admitting his wrongdoings, Pinocchio lies to Jiminy to get himself out of trouble, which causes his nose to grow long. Then when he sees the key he tells a white lie to get it. Afterwards he admits his wrongdoings which causes his nose to shrink back to its normal size. Had he just admitted his wrongdoings instead of lying, the Blue Fairy would have unlocked the cage and his nose wouldn’t have grown very long. There is no false moral that lying gets you what you want.

You just described Joe Biden's and Hillary Clinton's (Plus Bill and Obama) political career in a nutshell perfectly. Plus you also just described CNN.

@@dylansmith5206 what does Pinocchio have to do with politics? Its like saying how perfectly split a pizza is, then someone comes in with "just like the democratic and Republican party". Added nothing to the topic.

@@casbinwat Republicans revolve their entire personality around their politics, so they constantly shoehorn it into any errant discussion. It's quite sad, really.

Especially breaking out of prisson.

Not just because they misunderstood, but because they were encouraging Emma Watson to shoehorn her perspective of a healthy relationship - one full of bantering and teasing - into a scenario which could easily turn abusive if handled wrong, and was only NOT seen that way originally because of an absence of bantering and teasing. Emma likes to disagree with her partners openly and get mad at them. Belle doing so makes you wish she had more freedom, and Beast doing so makes you fear he might hit her.

Completely agree. The relationship between them was toxic, and they made the Beast straight up abusive. They somehow made Gaston the better choice.

@@demo2823 Which, humorously, makes this one of the few cases where it is okay to blame an actor/actress for their portrayal of a character (since usually the actor/actress doesn't get creative input, that goes to writers and directors; but Watson got to have creative freedom here). But back to the main point, this is part of the problem with the live-action (quotation marks needed for Lion King) remakes. Getting people to work on them who don't respect the source material -- either the movie or the original tale -- and just use it to do whatever nonsense they want.

@@demo2823 if that's what they wanted to do, they did not portray it well... the turned beast into someone who doesn't actually show much care to Belle. Plus teasing banter normally comes after theyve grown closer, but they didn't really do that... Also what's with the changing of the library scene from him wanting to do something nice for her to just showing off? They took away key moments in seeing him improve and replaced it with more sad backstory so Belle would feel sorry for him and feel obligated to stay instead of because she saw the good in him and wanted to give him a second chance.

@@belles_library yes to most of that although I have to say that even though I initially thought they made Gaston better, my mother pointed out that what they actually did is make him closer to looking like a masking narcissist. His mask begins to crack the he gets rejected by Belle and her father, who are both very aware of his true self. The issue is that they forgot to make that clearer to the audience and so, since the Beast is so much more obviously abusive than he previously was, it ends up *looking* like Gaston is actually better than him even though what's really happening is that they now both suck.

WOO, REPRESENTATION!!!!!1!1!1

Ah yes, the mandatory 3 second long clip they can easily edit out to appease their Chinese overlor- I mean international audience.

Now, now, let's be fair here. They also used it for a brief two-second joke during Gaston's song. Clearly you're just a troll intentionally underselling how much Disney truly cares about taking advantage of underrepresented demog-I mean, "Implementing diversity in a respectful and creative way, and most definitely not doing the bare minimum necessary to receive accolades while pretending that they won't minimize or remove it when selling the product to certain foreign markets."

Don't forget the scene where LeFou lifts up his shirt to reveal a hickey mark when he sings "No one bites like Gaston...."

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You get outta here! Good writing has no place at Disney!

He learns that things which are Too good to be true are probably not true and what seems to be good at first is not the right thing in the big picture. He learns after deciding to become an actor instead of going home and having Geppetto confront the headmaster. When tempted to join Sabina and Fabiana's circus who are much nicer than Stromboli, he decides not to so he can find his father. Lastly, he learns that admitting your wrongdoings gets you out of trouble/can help you, not lying.

@@EpicJoshua314 so he doesn't become more moral, he becomes more logical? Well, that's just a bad adaptation.

@@avivastudios2311 He learns that lying is wrong, he should have listened to Jiminy in not follow what Honest John and Gideon feel is best for him, quite literally A FEW MINUTES AFTER HE TOLD HIM NOT TO, and he learns not to fall under the trap of temptation when he declines Fabiana and Sabina's request to join their puppet show, though he would be treated much better, and decides to find his father which is why his donkey ears and tail fall off. For him being logical, he's weary of a complete stranger that just kidnapped him off the street, no duh, and then he suspects Pleasure Island to be more than meets the eye. These things also tell kids to be weary of strangers and to let them take you anywhere or offer you something, and things which are too good to be true/more than meets the eye are probably scams. I don't think Pinocchio being slightly less naive than in the 1940 movie makes this one bad.

The Muppets look more convincing and fun than this CGI Pinocchio. He's bordering on creepy levels with his dead eye stare half the time.

I’m STILL waiting for The Muppet Show Seasons 4 & 5 on DVD. Disney was on a roll with releasing the first three seasons, then SMACK!!! Nothing. Back then I thought it was because of the Mark Hammil Star Wars episode gumming up the works with royalties and copyright laws. But now Disney owns Lucasfilm AND 20th Century Fox, so no more excuses! What’s the deal, Disney? Release Seasons 4 & 5! Not like you can’t afford it.

By shoveling in THE MESSAGE. Can't have someone who is visibly different from the folks around them show actual flaws and make mistakes to learn from, that'd make minorities look flawed! You know, like actual people instead of a nebulous mass to pander to for victimhood points.

Because they only care for Money

The rest of the film is as thoughtful as that moment. I’d highly recommend you give it another chance.

In the remake, we probably never saw Pinocchio become a real boy on screen was because Pinocchio as a puppet was very cartoony. He stands out from the real humans. In the animated version, he could turn into a real boy without looking weird because everyone was stylized very cartoon-like. The filmmakers probably had to decide between casting a real actor, animating Pinocchio with realistic features, or have the audience not see Pinocchio become a real boy on screen at all.

@@ev_account One more reason not to make a stupid live-action remake!

@@ev_account I genuinely hate Pinocchio’s design in this movie. The stylized look of the original character just looks bad in 3D. The only thing I liked about his design was the detail of his little wooden donkey tail, but that just doesn’t make up for the gross flat eyes, and weirdly malleable face of the new version.

i just saw bionicpig's video on this movie, and apparently it's one of those "blink and you'll miss it" type things where he gets a vague design change where his legs slowly turn- well, not wooden at the last scene

Del Toro's Pinocchio handled that idea much better by having Geppetto be the one who needed to learn what made Pinocchio real and a person worth valuing. Pinocchio's morality arc was still there, but was more focused on the mortality aspect and how to treat the life he was given and the people he shared it with. In that movie, both father and son acknowledging that Pinocchio is enough and doesn't need to change is genuinely heart-warming and thematically appropriate. If you're going to have it ultimately be that Pinocchio's final form doesn't make him any less human, the "real boy" conflict should absolutely be focused on other characters ignorance, or something Pinocchio decides HIMSELF doesn't prove anything, rather than a criteria Pinocchio is told he has to pass and is decided by outside forces, rather than himself. It takes away his agency.

P.S. The 1972 miniseries is another good adaptation. It has a different direction but it earned a classic cult status here in Italy.

Yup and in America we get Tom Hanks and ketchup.

Not to mention giving Roberto Benigni one hell of a redemption arc. He was responsible for one of the worst adaptations of Pinocchio, but in my opinion was really good as Geppetto. I can't recommend the 2019 adaptation enough. A lot of love went into that one.

Was going to say the same thing. How you know when a nation loves a long time story vs. a corporation loves spinning that money wheel.

@@Laevateinn102 Yeah, that was the first thought I had when I saw the first trailer back then, and while Benigni as Pinocchio was cringey as f*ck, as Geppetto he gave a warm and genuine performance.

And when "bad guys" are the protagonists, they're only bad because society made them that way.

It seems Disney no longer really tries to teach that everybody makes mistakes, and we're progressing by learning from those mistakes. No, many recent movies seem to promote the message that you're somehow born perfect as you are...which isn't really a healthy mindset to have.

And the Lion King remake's box office numbers prove that Disney's death has been met with tremendous applause.

like an impostor from Among Us disney sus

i love the wording of a skinsuit claiming to be disney. thats a really cool way to phrase it.

Welcome to the light.

Disney’s animated projects are still largely enjoyable tbh, but it’s a shame that they keep pumping out these mediocre live-action adaptations.

They’ll keep making these as long as people pay to see it.

How and why is the point...

while i knew it wasnt gonna be very good i thought theyd at least get the main point of the movie right and they didnt. its embarressing

And so she wouldn't bother China too much.

@@Dan_- that’s because the actor playing her is black?

Meanwhile, Guillermo Del Toro’s version has a effort to stop-motion animate a biblically accurate fairy

And even then, they cut her role.

It's just pointless and feels stuck in for no reason other than social media points. To quote Eric July, the diverse people falling for this must really love the sloppy seconds

@Hypothermic Dysrhythmia yeah, like why keep racechanging characters of European fairy tales (that have already been butchered enough by the american studio as it were) rather than just,,, making stuff about them?? Featuring their own tales, and characters that will actually be remembered as black, rather than their more iconic original appearance that is white, because the original IS black then. Most remake toys last for maybe a year before its all back to the original version. What's the point in having a black ariel if she's only occasionally black for maybe 2 months and then disappears while white redhead ariel merch is still out and about like it has been the past 30+ years straight since neither the character nor her design have become irrelevant at any point? The other live action actresses looked enough like the cartoon design for it to not be too noticeable and not a big deal, but unless they suddenly racechange the cartoon version (despite there being no black ANIMATED the little mermaid), it's gonna be noticeable when the live action dolls start dissappearing... Either they have to keep churning out live-action dolls far longer than they want to, and also make them look more like the regular dolls than the uncanny realistic ones, or little black girls have maybe a 2 month timeframe to get a black ariel doll before she's obsolete :/ Disney is incapable of writing good plots that aren't mostly ripped from a preexisting story anyways, might as well ask them to put a bit more effort in seeking lesser known tales from around the world rather than changing the same old European fairytales for the sake of fake diversity

The character who appears once in the beginning, and then had her other two appearances removed and given to other characters so she wouldn't hurt the movie's marketability in China too much.

@@pepperonipizza8200 Also took away her legs and hair, and made her use her magic clumsily. Way to fight racism there, Disney.

"pinacle of cowardice" pretty much sums up our entire Safety-Worshipping culture currently. I can't even walk down the street holding a beer. Freedom should be more important than safety.

exactly, its not like alcohol and smoking is gone or only used by adults. kids today still do those things, when i was only in 1st year of secondary so many people in my class smoked and most kids even younger ones drink. most adults where i live end up doing drugs and drink a lot too so its just dumb to remove it.

Exactly!

also according to book Pinocchio killed Cricket with trown hammer and was hanged on tree.

@@kraftik5300 ....but didn't die, since he was wooden.

Same! And I love stop motion movies, so I'm ready for it!! I have a feeling it's gonna be epic because it had time to be well thought out

LOL that was literally my 1st thought w/ the ending, along w/ Nostalgia Critic ranting about tears bringing ppl back from the dead.

Don't forget about Tangled though.

@@TheOswards306 funny that you mention that movie since Pinnochio himself makes a brief cameo during one of the musical numbers

@@TheOswards306 Give Tangled this much, Rapunzel was established to have natural magic healing from the beginning, and it can at least be kinda-reasonably assumed that her healing tear was just residual flower magic (cutting her hair just meant the hair itself couldn't heal anymore). If anything, she's one of the few excusable cases of this. Pokemon: The First Movie and the Pinocchio remake are just silly, though.

@@TheOswards306 i thought of that when i watched this seen, they probably did purposly copy it because they own that movie so cant get sued..

The modern Disney way is to bait racists and sexists with their casting choices then accuse all critics of being racist and sexist when the movie inevitably turns out to be awful.

I honestly don't care in the slightest whose playing Ariel and think people should be far more worried about the script and story then anything. The track record of these movies has been so rough that no matter how good the actress is I'm not sure it'll be enough to save it. Especially since a lot of the story and script changes made in these recent movies have hurt the movies more then anything.

Honestly, a lot of the "criticism" is going to be racist. So, if you're not a racist, just ignore those comments about the replies being racist. Because odds are, they're actually right. Whenever they say "The critics are racist." I roll through the critiques and a lot of it has an odd amount to do with the race thing, sometimes being a little bit more overt than just your average "Why must they do this?". I really doubt that they're referring to ALL the criticism they get, just the racist ones. So again, if they say they keep getting racist "criticism" and you're not the one constantly bringing race into this, then they aren't talking about you.

she should have been cast as an entirely separate mermaid character instead of ariel herself tbh. that way her character has some identity instead of being a "palette swap". perhaps an entirely different story where she hears of the story of ariel and tries to get her happily ever after only to find out that life isn't always as easy as a fairy tale. maybe even deconstruct the "change yourself for a man you just met" lesson of the original.

@@seventeenseventythirteen7465 this has happened in Raya before. Trolls have driven Lindsay Ellis off of the internet because of a comment she made about Raya. Claiming that she's racist when she's not. That movie was really just derivative and unoriginal. But Lindsay and many others who didn't like the film for its poor quality were called racist. So I'm not sure if what you're saying is true

Well that remake was released on Disney+ and who wantsto pay for Disney's bills of their golden toilets

That's the movie that inspired me to start boycotting all future remakes from Disney. And I gotta say, I'm super glad I made that decision!

There was a lady and tramp remake? And I'm saying this as genuinely ironic as possible.

To be fair, that remake in THE one no one remembers nor want to

Such a shame. At least the original Disney movies made some references to the original tales.

@@lysfranc8782 this is true for the European fairytales but when it comes to stuff outside what would be called Western world they don't really. For an example in the original Mulan. The matchmaker it's not accurate to the Chinese culture, it's a mixture between Chinese and Japanese. In Chinese culture the matchmaker would just be a person that would try to make the both families agree with the wedding and what would be the cost for the grooms family. And it could be anyone: a family friend or even a family members. Another thing would be the time period. There shouldn't be fighting Huns but a precursor to the mongols while Mulan should fight for another nomadic clan that took control of North China. But I don't really hate that movie since it's not as inaccurate as the remake.

This is why I can't enjoy fairy tales. Disney's stink is everywhere.

It's like Disney is disgusted with being an animation studio.

There is no political BS. Disney just undoes the progress that has been made then digs back into soft soil THEY chucked back in so they can claim they broke new ground. Disney has made amazing political arguments in their movies since the beginning. Don't mistake Disney screwing people over while claiming to represent those people, for them taking a political side.

What do you mean? The animation studio still exists and is still putting out content. Encanto was their most recent movie.

@@tannerp.4996 I guess I should clarify, by "animation" I meant 2-D animated films since what I listed was 2-D. But, eh, not likely going to happen anyways, too expensive, time consuming, and most of the 2-D animators have left so no one's really able to teach future 2-D animators. Sorry for not clarifying.

@@jmandualblade2426 Encanto isn’t Pixar. Walt Disney Animation Studios made it. Both studios use 3D animation.

Exactly! I tried to tell them something like that in an e-mail. No response, at least not yet.

That's what I thought like the moment he started listing the reboots and mention Alice in Wonderland I was like "what? Since when?"

Geez, they couldn't get away from THE MESSAGE in a film remake of a 40s film? Oh wait, this is Disney post 2016, they cant stop

I don’t think anyone is saying that’s minor. It’s a pretty big plot point.

Another big example is with Pleasure Island. In the original Pinnochio (once again) falls into temptation when Honest John talks about it and is entirely eager to go. While in the remake he basically gets pressed to go despite showing hesitations at first, which removes Pinnochio’s agency and basically makes him an unwilling victim instead of a naive child learning right from wrong.

@@amirgarcia547 More like FORCED to go, he was literally netted off the street!

@@pepperonipizza8200 The major plotpoint is still the same: Pinnochio goes off with Honest John. The minor part lies in how it’s gotten to, the details by which the story is subliminally told to the audience.

Yeah why tf they do that? He’s turning into a real boy IN FRONT OF OUR FACES.

What if the light actually represents...that they died and the “Gepetto camee back to life and Pinocchio is now a real boi” never happened?

@@sonicanvaspost6867 well then thats just lazy writing

@@vondraissnas4149 as if they never been lazy in their reboots lol

What was Robert Zemeckis thinking?

And having the clocks and root beer as actual props. At that point the animators’ times are wasted. 🤦🏾‍♀️

Because everybody wants to be a cat.

Can't wait for the racist cats 😂

Because Disney runs on the Mister Krabs philosophy - "We like money!"

I really don’t want to see a live action stitch I’ve seen concepts and it genuinely looks horrifying it’s worse than human sonic

I heard about the Lilo and Stitch one. They can't keep getting away with this!!!

Yah know, the whole bullying thing could have worked, if Pinocchio himself decides to go back to the Fox on his own and then follow the original about him enjoying Pleasure Island, but nope.

In the 1996 version starring Jonathan Taylor Thomas, he actually did get bullied in school. However, it still handled the story better than this version.

@@marcohidalgo1101 hi

i came into it knowing it would be bad trying to keep my expectations as low as i can and i was still really suprised which is actually very impressive.. not in a good way of course...

Ophiucus… I remember a 13th hidden Zodiac stone (and Fiend Lucavi) in Final Fantasy Tactics Serpentinarium

@TMVGemini24 oh, nice! Didn’t know about that part

Usually with consolations that are on the same cases as the zodiac but are not officially recognized is either they only appear for setter ares or because an older one already covers it’s time in the calendar

Also Napoleon Dynamite.

A CGI fish in a live action movie, you mean. Finding Nemo looked fine because it had a consistent visual style.

@@kimifw58 indeed. But that was the only good fish movie I've seen that included cgi.

Truly 😂

At least you could argue that the Pauly Shore version has a “so bad, it’s good” quality to it. Beneath all the bells and whistles Disney added to this remake, it still feels about as hollow as an actual marionette.

it didn't follow story of Pinocchio but russian version called Buratino. Director just renamed him to pinocchio for bringing bigger audience.

Would you recommend the buratino book?

@Santiago's Videos & Stuff ...really? It's a labor of hard work from what I've seen, BUT SURE. THIS ISN'T SOULLESS.

I think the only Guillermo Del Toro movie I have kind of seen was Blade 2, but are the rest of his movies really good?

@@zeldagameryt4018 Not sure, like I said I'm binge watching a lot of them so I'm not sure Though Pan's Labyrinth was amazing so I can definitely say that movie was good

Guys keep in mind that I also never said I watched all of Guillermo del Toro's movies just to let repliers know

@@TheWanderingWolf2393 The first two Hellboy movies The Shape of Water, Pacific Rim, and Pan's Labyrinth come to mind. Shape of Water was the most batshit insane masterpiece and Pacific Rim was just crazy-ass fun. He's got plenty of other films done but he's a fucking legend so safe to say that if anyone can bring this stopmotion Pinocchio out of production hell, it's gotta be Del Toro

@Santiago's Videos & Stuff It's the only remake I've ever seen that actually tried

@Santiago's Videos & Stuff At least Paulie Shore's one was funny bad, this one is not even that

Oh man, I love that movie so much. It may look simple and the story is kinda slow, but I still love it! Probably one of the few Disney live action films that I like.

and was hanged on tree

ugh i love that book sm

@@kraftik5300 and not only turned into a full donkey but was sold to the circus and was thrown into the ocean when he couldn't perform anymore. Not to mention when he finds Lampwick again and sees him die in front of him

@@capitanspoiler7393 Candlewick.

I believe that in the movie when Pinocchio ignores his conscience it was a reference to when he ignored The Talking Cricket in the original novel. When Pinocchio was being tricked by the cat and the fox, The Talking Cricket told him not to go with them or something like that. (The Talking Cricket came back as a ghost)

Don't dump out that acid vat, I'll need to also dip my eyes after I also say that Pinocchio's donkey parts being wooden was a nifty addition. So that's two points in 2022 Disney Pinocchio's favor. It's still getting an "F", but it does have those two points.

as huge fan of stop motion animated movies like Coraline and Isle of Dogs, I will gladly wait.

"the del toro remake is a clueless embarassment. the del toro version coming out in december looks better"

Many things wrong with the motorboat thing, the worst of which being that the day was saved due to something that Pinocchio could only do as a wooden puppet, which detracts from his quest to become a real boy.

Wait, that's why they're donkeys? Wow, so that just makes the bastardization worse and not only that, where did the girls go?

to be fair it was an accident but yea i’d absolutely love to see an original pinocchio remake

that actually sounds awesome

You can’t even spell the main characters name right. Pathetic.

@@fritzy8318 character’s* That’s embarrassing kiddo. XD

@@fritzy8318 oh, right, my bad, not my main language