K-OG tries to answer two major Arguments on Ador vs Hibe [] Sucking Dry and Planted Evidence.

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John Kim (Komerican-OG)

John Kim (Komerican-OG)

Ай бұрын

So many are claiming that she was sucked dry and spat out and also that evidences were planted. I got tired of answering them. Please watch this for a response why I think this way.

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@Djin7Djin
@Djin7Djin Ай бұрын
I loved your "calm down and smell some grass and understand that there is real misery out in the world and it ain't Kpop corporate drama" ending ment. Unfortunately, Kpop is also full of over-excitable young inexperienced people who don't think, they just react and vent online, AND a lot of those fans hate BTS and Bang PD like burning for reasons known (see every take about BTS hardships and history, ever) and so will jump on ANY bad new they can slaver over to try to make BTS & BigHit and now Hybe look bad. It is what it is. I too hope it gets resolved quickly and that no artists or innocents are dragged down with it. Thanks for your work!
@user-gf7pm9lv8b
@user-gf7pm9lv8b Ай бұрын
You said a good point. And im just feel sad how kpop fans fall in this drama. How old are they, never learned bout critical thinking before?
@user-iv8xn6gz8s
@user-iv8xn6gz8s Ай бұрын
Great explanation. She is greedy and ungrateful. She should started in the garage like PD when he started BTS
@Ggggg1gggg
@Ggggg1gggg Ай бұрын
Right?? This woman is so annoying🙄
@alipotter0613
@alipotter0613 Ай бұрын
She got caught and is now just firefighting. Hybe would not go as far as courts if they didn't have damning evidence. 💜
@wowforeal
@wowforeal Ай бұрын
I loved your last point of how kpop should be our refuge from all the crazy crap in the world.
@esnftan11
@esnftan11 Ай бұрын
I really tried to watch the press conference, and I just couldn't. I wanted to see if she had any facts but it didn't seem like it. It felt like I was watching an old korean drama. I quit watching kdrama for the longest time bc of characters like that. Then was looking at some comments during it and knew exactly why she did the press conference like this. It was unbelievable how much support she was getting.
@theblackKatKuro
@theblackKatKuro Ай бұрын
Koreans especially love and want to work for big corps but also hate them equally so whenever it is a big corp vs an individual/a group of victimized people they sh!t on the corp. Thus they are siding with her drama. This is also why whenever it is label vs victimized artist they favor artists unless the artist is considered to be in the wrong. It is exactly what happened with Fifty Fifty, the label kept insisting they resolve it Fifty fifty kept blaming the label and people sided with the group but in court the label won.
@msr33n
@msr33n Ай бұрын
well explained! when people don't understand a corporate structure. they will accused based on what they see and hear. They don't see the logically in corporate structure itself. 80% Hybe is huge. Even Hybe 51%, Hybe is still major shareholders. Major shareholders have a 100% control of the company not CEO of 20% share. LOL!
@AlexaOleksa
@AlexaOleksa Ай бұрын
As person who works in culture in ngos and gov orgs and made contracts for grants, when she said: i am not good at contracts and I didn't know what some % meant, that they are slave contract....i call bullshit, cause how are you CEO signing multiyear contract that includes HUGE summs of money and don't clarify every single number? This thing alone that she says shows she either lies or hugely incompetent to be CEO
@oliveb.
@oliveb. Ай бұрын
That's what I said! She can't be serious. I just can't believe that after working in the industry for as long as she has been, she'd sign a contract without really understanding it. She didn't even have an attorney review it? And to think how the same gp who apparently love her now criticize young idols and their parents for signing contracts.
@livingsweetly5481
@livingsweetly5481 Ай бұрын
Your analysis and breakdown is on point. Thank you. IMO, HYBE went public and entered a legal battle because they have solid evidence (breach of trust, misuse of funds, disclosure of personal information, plans to destroy and acquire Adore by forcing a sale via Put Option, poaching NewJeans, etc.). The conglomerate doesn't need to "plant evidence"; it has personnel evaluation systems, can issue remedial measures, and can terminate employment without making a public spectacle that damages the corporation, shareholders, employees and the country. In her case, all that is needed is for the board of directors to decide. My heart goes out to the young ladies of NewJeans, and I hope HYBE is providing them and their families with a healthy and solid support system. Her claims keep changing and appear farfetched, needing solid evidence. Her press conference was a tell-tell sign and a disaster; she went public, Adore's CEO and Art Director showed up sporting the bag lady look, used profane language, insulted group members, acted unhinged, didn't listen to her lawyers, cried, and didn't have proof for her claims. So far, she comes across as panicking, greedy, unethical, obstinate, untrustworthy, and fixated on easily disproved claims. She seems to be laying the groundwork for a he-said, she-said situation and attempting to take everyone down with her. It's sickening. Meanwhile, HYBE is just getting started with the initial investigation. It will be interesting to see the findings of the forensic audits. HYBE will make moves she never imagined to protect their artist and corporation. Shortly, the South Korean Criminal Act (Article 356 and Article 356 (2)), the Commercial Act (Article 622), and the Act on the Aggravated Punishments, etc. for Specific Economic Crimes ("Specific Economic Crime Act," Article 3) will hit her and her accomplices like a tsunami.
@komerican-og
@komerican-og Ай бұрын
Oh, my. Love hearing legal jargon. It has been a while for me. Thank you for your professional input. I might be needing an financial attorney soon. Hello~ LOL
@theblackKatKuro
@theblackKatKuro Ай бұрын
Unfortunately NJ's members' parents have refused any meetings when HYBE reached out to them since this fiasco started. Lets hope we don't get another fifty fifty situation. HYBE can be very unforgiving in their legal actions.
@komerican-og
@komerican-og Ай бұрын
@theblackKatKuro I hope they get a decent legal council. They are contract bound and if they do not follow the actual owners, they have no way of existing.
@eliclair2768
@eliclair2768 Ай бұрын
It's insane that some people still believe her, especially after she showed up to that press meeting in pajamas, when she is supposed to be a CEO and represent newjeans. She and her team have been caught lying countless times this week and have changed their story like 3 times by now. Right now it's impossible to give her the benefit of the doubt. Half of the things she says are so random and so uncalled for, first they blamed illit, but since this didn't work, now they are jumping on le sserafim, leveraging the hate train they have been receiving. Probably her problem with source music was settled ages ago when hybe decided to give her own label alongside an astronomical funding and payments. Girly only brought her pen and paper and now she thinks she owns hybe. Tbh the only explanation is that sm is a whole circus and their ceos also behave like that, so she learned it from there. Yesterday she literally said that since she cannot sell like 5% of her stocks in the near future, she's in a slave contract. At this point she genuinely believes newjeans and her fans are that gullible. Nowadays, most companies compensate their management with put options / restricted stocks as incentives for them to continually improve their performance. I guess she is that ignorant because now she will end up in a lawsuit, with less than what she currently owns from ador, and unemployed, with no one wanting to work with her.
@oliveb.
@oliveb. Ай бұрын
She seems like a narcissist. And that "press conference" was insane. She was just looking for sympathy and hopefully the gp doesn't fall for it.
@MidnightxCrow
@MidnightxCrow Ай бұрын
​@@oliveb.They already did k-netizens are all supporting her
@p3nth3sil3a7
@p3nth3sil3a7 Ай бұрын
​@@MidnightxCrow It seems that depends on where you're looking.🤷‍♀️
@squibsp
@squibsp Ай бұрын
She took women's attempt in breaking the glass ceiling in corporates waaay back, swearing and emotional instead of professional
@sankalpdatal3039
@sankalpdatal3039 Ай бұрын
its not really some people its like 80 % of the people.truly sad how gullible people are.
@aspasia1705
@aspasia1705 Ай бұрын
At this point HYBE is damn if they do and damn if they don’t. I totally understand what you are saying. This woman was given a golden goose without creating from scratch or risking her own money to do so. She was rewarded for doing her job, some would say she was over compensated. Currently there are people that will criticize HYBE for anything, instead of looking at the bigger picture. If she just collected a salary people would complain, but HYBE went way beyond that and showed they believed in her work by giving her shares at a sweet price and a salary anyone would be happy to get. And she is a woman, how many women you know is given this type of opportunity at this level in Korea. To me it appears she is biting the hand that feeds her. Now add to the mix her unprofessional news conference. The crying and cursing was totally unacceptable. Was she playing to the stereotype of women being overly emotionally in times of stress? Was she hoping she would get sympathy for such behavior? I’m a woman that has worked in corporate America, her lack of professionalism would end her career. Then she mentioned minors and their parents. One girl was supposedly crying, what has that got to do with what she was accused of. There was no need to drag the girls from both groups and other groups into her dispute with BPD. All she had to do was address the charges against her, and let the courts decide who is telling the truth. No one does critical thinking anymore, it’s all about mob mentality and all corporations are bad. There are corporate laws to deal with situations like this. Let’s all wait to see what is revealed in court. Save your anger for something meaningful like helping the needy or your community to do better.
@komerican-og
@komerican-og Ай бұрын
Wow, Bravo. Perfectly said. I love the Golden Goose bit. Just perfect. I also detest how the world is changing. From politics, news, to even sports shows, it is all about screaming and creating drama. I missed the days where class and logic had value. -.-
@eileencritchley4630
@eileencritchley4630 Ай бұрын
@@komerican-og I with you on that one class and logic, oh add Professionalism and not thinking an opinion is equal to a Fact.
@fy3845
@fy3845 Ай бұрын
I too have recently retire from the corporate world as well and I agree with your comment 100%! I’m very disappointed that MHJ did not respond professionally regarding this matter. She was a much needed woman role model for C suite executives in South Korea, especially in the entertainment industry. How she behaved during this whole fiasco has set back woman executives in the eyes of a male dominated corporate world. HYBE is not perfect by any means, but they are handling it the way public traded companies have to handle it. Are they leaking “dirt” all the offenders, I’m sure they are. If you have the receipts, you need to back up your claims! She has no defense but using emotional theatrics!
@ekuniverse1
@ekuniverse1 Ай бұрын
She's trying to expose HYBE, did you know Dispatch is owned by CJENM who also have 2nd largest amount of stocks in the huge gaming company Netmarble owned by Bang Si Hyuk's Cousin. Netmarbles owns 12.1% of HYBE shares. The most after Bang Si Hyuk. So all the hate news and media play all comes from HYBE.
@aishwaryaahirrao
@aishwaryaahirrao Ай бұрын
Sadly majority of Koreans support hwr after the conference..they believed her crocodile tears
@summer6286
@summer6286 Ай бұрын
Thanks for the informative video. I just feel really bad for all the artists she’s named that are now getting immense hatred. ILLIT and Le Sserafim are bearing the brunt. I don’t even know what’s gonna happen from here, it must be so awkward for NewJeans because they might not ever interact with these artists normally again.
@AJP.OT7
@AJP.OT7 Ай бұрын
Thanks for explaining & this makes it easier to understand & I agree with you. Also I think ppl don’t realize or understand or forget that Bighit is PRIAVTE company under Hybe so Hybe can’t do anything to Bighit/BTS/TXT unlike the other companies under Hybe.
@maifarahzaitimeorchekhussi6009
@maifarahzaitimeorchekhussi6009 Ай бұрын
ADOR is not a public Co
@rin55
@rin55 Ай бұрын
"My new dream is to be sucked dry and spat out by Bang PD" is the quote of the day😂 because ain't that the truth. People are overinvested in rich people drama precisely to distract themselves from actual real life issues and stress, sadly. Also, the emotional attachment to k-pop groups is really strong, people are too used to fighting over them all the time. You make good points, and I'm glad I found your videos. I am also trying to distract myself from my real life problems, so I am interested in this bigwig drama 😅 but I don't feel the need to take sides.
@komerican-og
@komerican-og Ай бұрын
BTW, her compensation was 2 million USD that I did not mention. It should be a dream of any sane person. But then.... there are insane people out there.
@nounou-cp9vj
@nounou-cp9vj Ай бұрын
I just got back from twitter AND LET ME TELL YOU its a warzone of fan wars there and its absolute CRAZYNESS (cuz of the things that woman said in the press conference) am so glad there is a person who is talking about the real problem and what all this is actually about and being very professional about it 🙏
@SHA-ei6jp
@SHA-ei6jp Ай бұрын
I know, its been awhile since I check in on X, basically eversince BTS enlistment. But when I check in, I was so shocked with the amount of fanwars .
@hoanhuynh7059
@hoanhuynh7059 Ай бұрын
I can't believe some people actually believe what she said. Those must be kids who never work in their lives.
@Hotshortie
@Hotshortie Ай бұрын
Some people think Donald Trump was a good leader
@firebutterfly
@firebutterfly Ай бұрын
Spitting facts. So many people do not understand business, or how this actually works and are up in arms over misinformation and "defending my idol group" and demonizing Bang PD and Hybe *rolling my eyes
@magdalenagabrowska8169
@magdalenagabrowska8169 Ай бұрын
You did great, don't worry I didn't ever see your video's to be bias, they were simply very logic, and I totally agree to points you are talking about. With the info we have this is very logical conslusion. Great presentation.😉 She totally had great position, from her position is she stayed quiet and play good game she could get so much more even to the point to taking over ador in few years but she was speeding and crashed. And I don't see what they would plant it, simply why. I tried to think about reasons like you but only what you said comes to mind. At their place I would prefer to cut loses and let it go, then play some illegal game and plant things, not worth award. Not to say first report about audid said that they got tip off that she was doing something, if it is true then they even didn't take into consideration there was something very wrong inside hmmm 🤔 I think a lot of people that talks about it don't know anythinig about buissnes... 😅 And they really mix up some things. I think a lot if people thinks that bc she has CEO title abd stocks it means more, but it simply a position in company, you still work for company... I tried to explain someone that, person was saying to everyone that they can't fire her, that with 80% they can do anythinig they want, like you said, they could said "you are out" by voting and it would be legal, and they didn't do it but what they did, they took official steps bc it looks better, simply it is better road, bc if they would do it by voting it would look like they have something to hide, and pushed her out, etc, and she could say anythinig she want to media and they wouldn't have ammunition to defense themself but they did audid and found ammo and go with it, and she paniced. It looks more professional from Hybe. From all this what's going on I know two things about her. She is very unprofessional and she is great at manipulation tactics in media and buissnes. Before all this I only know that she was narcisstic (not really unusuall in buissnes especially show b) and I knew that people thought she was weird with her look at artist she worked with and their concepts, but I didn't dwel on it. But plan you explained in last video was so lacking that I don't know if she had bad advisor or what, or she really simply dring too much power and got drunk and wanted more and didn't look at the consequences...
@jacque1in
@jacque1in Ай бұрын
I think we'll get the full picture when the criminal charges are filed because that will bring forth the evidence.
@cityofmon
@cityofmon Ай бұрын
Thank you for clarifying this because yes she has so many benefits making these claims👍
@michellem6826
@michellem6826 Ай бұрын
Thanks for your clear and simple explanation. I hope more people view your video.
@StefaniYee
@StefaniYee Ай бұрын
Im still of the opinion that she wasnt too smart but ambitious and greedy so she plotted all of this but hybe caught her and initiated the audit so she started all this crazy accusations for sympathy and media play and to burn hybe. But its insane that she showed up like that to say shes under a slave contract 😅 and she was given a company to do what she wanted, got 18%, huge budget etc. its crazy that people believe her. They could have just hired her as an actual salary employee. O right and she demanded a higher floor than the label thats funding the building. And made crazy demands to never mention or work with other artists under the parent company. Insane narcissist. Adding on Bang Shi Hyuk still hold 31% of hybe. He holds controlling shares of hybe too. 😅 She also says in her drunk rant he was in charge of NJs sound soooo did he copy you? 😂😂
@blxcklab
@blxcklab Ай бұрын
MHJ has ways to sway the public to make it look like Hybe mistreated NJ. The celebration with a small cake in a styrofoam, and in dim light. She really is an art director.
@michellem6826
@michellem6826 Ай бұрын
Adding another comment. I didn’t know this much about business and I thought MHJ was not being truthful. Why tank Ador when it is making money and plant stuff on the CEO who Hybe can just remove her. It doesn’t make sense. Clearly Hybe thought she was a good asset because they gave her 18% of Ador. They did not need to do that. Hybe gave Ador a lot of resources to be successful. It was a win win situation until MHJ got apparently greedy and then got caught. She is silly and not very bright when it comes to business. The only sad part will be if MHJ manages to take New Jeans artists down with her.
@komerican-og
@komerican-og Ай бұрын
I think you might find answers if you look little closer to my first vid. That is why PUT option things was so ridiculous. However, I totally agree with you on your assessment. I don't think she is evil. She truly got attached to something that could not be hers alone. Like all of us did at one point in our lives. Then she started thinking, planning and doing stuff that she shouldn't have. Lost her cool. You can clearly see that in the press conference.
@becauseimatrash3509
@becauseimatrash3509 Ай бұрын
​@@komerican-ogyup and the audit she did not comply to is making it worse for her
@beekayify
@beekayify Ай бұрын
BPD has responded to this saying...she started creating a noise just before NJ comeback... she's done this before apparently...but this time Hybe got inside info she was looking at terms that could help her break-off... and decided that enough is enough
@MoonstoneStarChaser
@MoonstoneStarChaser Ай бұрын
She failed in SM and has failed with Hybe. In short, she’s a failure. A loser. And she’s finally killed her career. Sayonara Min.
@Hotshortie
@Hotshortie Ай бұрын
She was trying to lower ADORS stock so she could swoop in when it hit a low and buy the company right out from under HYBE. I don't know if NEWJEANS agreed to go with her or not? It's all so shady.
@meganw.4457
@meganw.4457 Ай бұрын
Thank you for your analysis. You might be surprised at how much of kpop fandom would believe ANYTHING, no matter how ridiculous, if it painted Hybe in a bad light. No doubt MHJ knows this. So she's banking on manipulating people's ignorance and high emotions. One thing about kpop fandom, it's predictable. I can't make sense of her throwing her career away for a cash grab, but so far, that's what it appears she was trying to do. I was disappointed in her press conference charade. It was distasteful and embarrassing.
@komerican-og
@komerican-og Ай бұрын
Most are young people who has no experience in business or how the world works. All the legal or corporate people who commented knew this is very simple matter. So we gotta be understanding of these people. What is evil is people who knows the reality but are willing to use these young people's love and passion for their benefit. Disgusting.
@Irene-ws9kk
@Irene-ws9kk Ай бұрын
I watched all 3 or your videos about this whole fiasco and I have to say that you are they only KZfaqr that actually analysed the situation factually and objectively without prejudice and without putting personal emotion into it. A lot of kpop fans are teenagers or young people that don’t have the education or life experience to know about how corporations work or have any knowledge & principles in corporate laws and governance, so they basically speak and think and often spread unfounded hate on the internet based on their own emotional attachments. My take from all of this is that MJH obviously was very emotionally attached to the group and the company ADOR which she did work hard to work for in the past few years against a lot of struggles she had within HYBE no doubt, she experienced a lot of situations and friction in her journey as all of us do, dealing with men in suits in corporate world and company politics etc - we all do, this is the real world, this just happens in day to day life cos it involves different stakes, power dynamics and financial interests. But at the end of the day, if she did ‘plan’ to do what she is being accused of, then she’s gotta face the consequences no matter how close she thinks she is with the members or not and HYBE has every right to take action because their asset is potentially being compromised. I have no doubt HYBE was playing dirty with the media on her but it is what it is.
@komerican-og
@komerican-og Ай бұрын
Thank you. You gave me the best and most comprehensive compliment ever. ^^ It is natural for young people to not know certain areas of information. Also, they tend to be more emotional. Rather than spreading hate, sharing understanding seems to be the best answer. I hope I added a small drop to this endeavor. Thanks again.
@Imme_begin
@Imme_begin Ай бұрын
it’s irresponsible to say “I have no doubt” without providing an explanation with some proof.
@lisebet1
@lisebet1 Ай бұрын
May I ask why you say you have "no doubt HYBE was playing dirty with the media on her"? Similar to his points above, what would be the purpose? HYBE has a vested interest in ALL of these groups being successful - as successful as possible. There is absolutely no reason for them to "play dirty with her" or NJ. It would be counterproductive to HYBE's own goals - which at the end of the day, it's a corporation. Its goal is to make money.
@lisebet1
@lisebet1 Ай бұрын
Also as my husband just pointed out, this fiasco doesn't help anyone so HYBE has no reason to "play dirty with her now" but they do have a responsibility to stop her/answer her if she damages the company. They have a fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders. They would certainly have preferred this never happened.
@thaliakim4226
@thaliakim4226 Ай бұрын
I actually really appreciate you making these videos! It gives a new perspective to the whole situation
@blueturtle1813
@blueturtle1813 Ай бұрын
oh wow it makes sense suddenly! thanks for this video!
@Artfrg4
@Artfrg4 Ай бұрын
John knows K-pop. Being a Korean/American OG (old guy), he’s been following it pretty much since the beginning . He’s really good at translating much of the industry for us non Korean speakers, and without bias. John, you’ve worked very hard. As soon as it’s warm enough and you get a break, get your azz out in the boat 🛶 and go fishing! 🎣 🫰🏻
@komerican-og
@komerican-og Ай бұрын
I am fixing up my little boat ...as I speak~~! For real. No joke. You know me so well. Thank you very much. ^^
@OT7_DopeOldARMY
@OT7_DopeOldARMY Ай бұрын
OMG "My new dream is to be sucked dry and spat out by BangPD. That looks really good." SAMEEEEE!!!!! I love this- perfect explanation. We are sharing your videos on this topic on Twitter, they're so good.
@komerican-og
@komerican-og Ай бұрын
Oh..my.. Thank you So Very Much for sharing. Usually screaming over hyped reactions and contents seem to rule the world. I might be a bit boring but I try to be true in everything I do. Thanks again.
@lachi001
@lachi001 Ай бұрын
Funny she portrayed herself as a damsel in distress yesterday.
@genevievehiguera6162
@genevievehiguera6162 Ай бұрын
She could have been Grateful, top salary, stocks you didn't by, creative ownership over a group she didn't invest or spend any of her own money on. She could have been Generous towards Illit and wished them success a rising tide raises all ships, if HYBE does well it helps New Jeans. She could have been gracious towards all the other HYBE artists and all Kpop artist by not naming names, insteadc she wants to start fan wars and drag everyone down. The only "G" word she know is GREED! Cry us a river no one is buying her sob story dressing like a 14 year old homeless waif. She cooked her own goose. HYBE would always have taken care of NEW JEANS, they are an ASSET of the Corporation. They are the third highest earner in HYBE. HYBE knows how to make money. It was never about her protecting New Jeans, it was her GREED.
@ekuniverse1
@ekuniverse1 Ай бұрын
Why does HYBE still have 12% SM stocks? GREED
@unknown23806
@unknown23806 Ай бұрын
​@@ekuniverse1what r U take a hybe for they are not some charity or donations oriented company there motive like any other companies in the world is to make profits and reduce their competitors 😂
@msbebelle07
@msbebelle07 Ай бұрын
@@ekuniverse1not greed but business…stocks are sold to bring money to the company…SM benefits from this…Hybe would not buy if not for sale…and better Hybe because Hybe is just an umbrella for many companies to be supported.
@ekuniverse1
@ekuniverse1 Ай бұрын
@@msbebelle07 SM never wanted HYBE to buy it, they wanted KAKAO to buy it.
@msbebelle07
@msbebelle07 Ай бұрын
@@ekuniverse1 maybe but when a company put stocks on sale there will be some buyers interested in buying them, that’s business, it will be sold to the buyer that can buy them not the one necessarily you prefer…nobody can blame Hybe to be interested in SM, business is business, all they wanted was to have SM with them so that open more collaborations and bring more money to both of them, Hybe is not a monster that wants to damage SM, if they put money into a company it is not to lose it….and Kakao is no different…
@user-bm8po7uk9d
@user-bm8po7uk9d Ай бұрын
Спасибо за проделанную работу! Полностью согласна! Все кто думают иначе, всё ещё ходят в розовых очках. Первое правило! Если ты наемный работник, то ОСТАВЬ свои эмоции за дверью приходя на работу. Когда работодатель заключает с тобой контракт, он покупает твое время, талант, умения, идеи, концепции, и все твои разработки произведенные в рабочее время которое он оплачивает, исключением является время на личные нужды и отдых. Поэтому ни о каких плагиатах внутри одной компании речи быть не может! Решение создать хоть 10 групп с одной концепцией это ПРАВО владеющей интеллектуальной собственностью компании. Если тебя что-то не устраивает, то ты либо терпишь, либо коробка-вещи-на выход!!! А вот если ты ещё и нанесла ущерб деловой репутации в финансовом выражении (в данном случае снижения стоимости акций), то это уж простить сложно, я бы даже сказала невозможно!
@emilyl1094
@emilyl1094 Ай бұрын
Well said...I totally agree with you. She got a golden spoon when she was employed by Hybe. They provided her financial support, creative freedom and made her CEO and small shareholder of Ador. Then she got too ambitious, greedy and power hunger. After seeing her pet NJ succeeded, she was big-headed to try and take over Ador. Even BTS members had helped promote NJ with those dance challenges yet she backstabbed Hybe, Bang PD and BTS. She bit the hands that fed her. If she's a genius then she could sell her shares at Ador and start her own label from the bottom. I doubt her group will succeed so fast without Hybe support. Even at SM, she also got the golden spoon to manage all those popular groups.
@shelley8293
@shelley8293 Ай бұрын
This really puts it into perspective - thank you again John. Reminded me of RM when he said that his % of BTS' success was 5% - even though he was the first member of BTS & even though he was the leader of BTS. I do agree though, Bang Si-hyuk has worked too hard, for too long to go out like this!
@emilyl1094
@emilyl1094 Ай бұрын
RM and the other BTS members are humble, appreciative and grounded young men who didn't let fame and wealth get into their heads. I'm sure that Bighit Bang PD, BTS, pioneer in-house producers like Pdogg, Slow Rabbit, Supreme Boi and some managers, staffs, etc. also had disagreements, grievances, unfair treatments over these past 10+ years. I believe they all tried to compromise, endure, tolerate each other and resolved whatever disagreements they had so as to work hard to reach their common goals/dreams thus, they had succeeded and still stayed together till this day. Now they can enjoy the fruits of their hard labour. If everyone wants to be a strong leader of the team, stand out, not be a follower at times and back-stab each other then whatever they do will encounter many obstacles and not have succeeded.
@user-iv8xn6gz8s
@user-iv8xn6gz8s Ай бұрын
I agree when you said if you work for a company and you re paid to do a job so whatever you created the compant y9u work for OWNS it. Otherwise if you want to get credit solely to you create your own company without HYBE, But since you dont own Ador solely it belongs to HYBE they own 80%
@Whoisquen3791
@Whoisquen3791 Ай бұрын
Wait genuine question, So does that make it oke for the companies in hype to just use the same strategy or creativity as one another, without letting the company who came up with it know? And it really doesn't matter as long as the mother company knows about it?
@becauseimatrash3509
@becauseimatrash3509 Ай бұрын
​@Whoisquen3791 nope thats why NDAs, trademark, copyright patent exists. BUUUT it doesnt apply to things thats already in public or used before.
@Irene-ws9kk
@Irene-ws9kk Ай бұрын
@@Whoisquen3791Also what she was claiming they were copying were intangible things like styling or concept which are very loose things and not an actual piece of work such as a song, a melody or composition, lyrics, which would be copyright protected. And even so, that copyright would be owned by the company and not the employee.
@Whoisquen3791
@Whoisquen3791 Ай бұрын
@@Irene-ws9kk ohh i get it now,so no wonder they ignored her claims, was becus they weren't things that were copyrighted.
@komerican-og
@komerican-og Ай бұрын
@@Irene-ws9kk Well explained..Thank you. ^^ Couldn't have done any better.
@kidslearning6659
@kidslearning6659 Ай бұрын
She trying to manipulate fans, the girls and families to seek sympathy. I think she should stop now for herself and for the future of New Jeans. They started with Source Music. If anything they they should be placed under their management temporairily. They are close with Le Serrafam and I think they will need some emotional support from the senior members. I hope they have someone to express their feeling. It is important to talk as I know having a child with depression.
@eileencritchley4630
@eileencritchley4630 Ай бұрын
HYBE has professional Counsellor's in the HYBE building that the members can go to and of course it's private and confidential. Thing is will they make an appointment. I do hope one of the counsellor's will go speak to the girls and remind them that's counselloring is still available to them and is private between them and the Counsellor.
@emilyl1094
@emilyl1094 Ай бұрын
During the press conference, she was presented herself to be a pitiful innocent victim of this whole situation she had started. She's using mediaplay to plant doubts/hatred towards Hybe, Bang PD, brainwashing fans/public and causing fan wars and some people even supported her claims. She doesn't have any solid evidence to prove her innocence and to rebut Hybe's list of findings about her wrong doings.
@brendajmurphy
@brendajmurphy Ай бұрын
You have very good points and visually presented too. I hope more people will see this and serve as a light bulb to enlighten the minds.
@blrgrl
@blrgrl Ай бұрын
Thx for providing such insightful videos on this topic! Your explanation really helps clarify the situation. It’s refreshing to find content from someone who can provide in-depth insight as both a native Korean speaker and in English. Looking forward to more of your commentary on other Kmedia topics in the future, as there’s a noticeable gap in this type of content from English-speaking Koreans. ✌️
@komerican-og
@komerican-og Ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@lilliewong9708
@lilliewong9708 Ай бұрын
Thanks for this video as well. It could not be any simpler. Most people intuitively feel that there is something not making sense in the situation but don’t have enough information or knowledge to explain it. It is a different form of entertainment for which there is a audience -reality tv.
@wongpauline22
@wongpauline22 Ай бұрын
Very good explanation…thank you!
@leilaakiona9457
@leilaakiona9457 Ай бұрын
She is being greedy and ungrateful and acting entitled like a spoiled child. Shame on her!
@eileencritchley4630
@eileencritchley4630 Ай бұрын
Thank you I've only just said the same thing and got told I didn't know anything that I was just some silly little teenager.
@kidslearning6659
@kidslearning6659 Ай бұрын
This woman is really sick. she should stop all this and seek professional help. Obviously the lawyer is not looking after her well being. Should not have allow her to do the media. I think he thought this will make him famous but it backfired. She is really dellusional now. Let the emotional overcome her and the reporters are going to be taking advantage. i do not see the lawyer interfere stop.
@suga_rush
@suga_rush Ай бұрын
KOG, she is denying the allegations but she isn't saying that the message about the plan is fake. She is saying she was just joking and she wouldn't know if it would be a success. Her lawyers' defence is that thinking about committing a crime is not a crime and even if HYBE has evidence that she was thinking about it, it is not a crime. To me, it sounds like it is too detailed a joke until she succeeds with it. At the very least, she was thinking about hurting HYBE, Ador and New Jeans to try and own Ador.
@Irene-ws9kk
@Irene-ws9kk Ай бұрын
Yeh it would sound too detailed to be ‘a joke’ if she was already consulting lawyers, CPAs, investors, buttering up with the parents etc… hmmm
@suga_rush
@suga_rush Ай бұрын
@@Irene-ws9kk I think those are still, as of yet, just claims. Specially when people are accusing HYBE of "planting evidence against her because they are a big corporation". But she did herself confirm that the message about the plan was real. She also confirmed her text to the shaman about sending BTS to the military, but she claims that it was also a joke she made with a friend who just happens to be a shaman. She said she was just venting to a friend. Which is still nasty imo but people don't need to question the authenticity of these 2 messages any more. Personally, I don't see how anyone can support her at this point. Edit: -Apparently she has now even admitted to saying that Bang PD copied her with BTS when she was adamantly denying it only a few hours ago. But she says she didn't mean it that way.- (Edit 3: I can't find the source for this again, so I don't know if it was correct or not. There is too much misinformation. I don't want to add to it.) Edit 2: She also confirmed that she considered other acquisition methods. It isn't a matter of if at all any more.
@jhingsoy5876
@jhingsoy5876 29 күн бұрын
Thanks! A CEO with 20% start-up stock option (2% which she sold later to her self-appointed Board) is NOT a salary person. She is a shareholder with a very huge salary.😂😂😂😂 and she wanted moooore.😤
@yen-8680
@yen-8680 Ай бұрын
Greed and love of money is truly the source of all evil. 😅
@isiseungella4688
@isiseungella4688 Ай бұрын
Do you think it's possible that seeing the plan has failed, she is now working for shares to drop further down so her financial backers can buy Aldor and Hybe at a low price and sell later as it will recover? Or help competitors by shares' value dropping? They could share some of that profit with her secretly as her career is probably gone forever now anyway.
@misosoup8030
@misosoup8030 Ай бұрын
I welcome any commentary you want to give on this controversy. Thanks again, John!👍🏼
@user-qr8rm9eo7f
@user-qr8rm9eo7f Ай бұрын
J aime beaucoup la façon intelligente et pourtant simple de présenter les faits...Trop de personnes ont lapidé Bang Sy Hyuk en se basant sur les pleurs d une " professionnelle" je n avais pas d avis au départ et je suis heureuse de ne pas avoir condamné une entreprise avant d avoir tous les tenants et aboutissants de cette histoire...votre présentation claire et précise m aide à y voir plus clair. Merci
@komerican-og
@komerican-og Ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind words. People seem to have moved away from fact and logic. This was such a simple happening, if you had the basic understanding of corporate and IP law. Shouting and drama seem to be the dominant basis for everything. BTW, French was famous in literature, law and sciences for elegant logic and clarity for centuries. I wonder, how many even know that. Just saying. ^^
@movingforward3030
@movingforward3030 Ай бұрын
Thank you for this! I'm learning a lot.
@VerucaS9lt
@VerucaS9lt Ай бұрын
Once again, the only channel I have come across in the sea of useless chatter that MAKES SENSE, and makes me smarter by watching it. You are a godsend, sir.
@VerucaS9lt
@VerucaS9lt Ай бұрын
"Looking at this, my new dream is to be sucked dry and spat out by Bang PD" 😂😂😂
@yen-8680
@yen-8680 Ай бұрын
Greed and love of money is truly root of all evil 😅
@MewDenise
@MewDenise Ай бұрын
I'm a realist so I understand that business is business. As you said - it doesn't matter how much she feels like NJ are her babies
@charestriart
@charestriart Ай бұрын
Thank you for opening the logic about why hybe should do illegal action to hold what is theirs. 😅😅😅 min hee jin is just too amber heard like person hahaahahha. Much narcs and greed in one person to have 😅😅😅
@agnesdesiderio4538
@agnesdesiderio4538 Ай бұрын
The presscon was a "rant con". Everything she said at the presscon was obviously spontaneous and not reviewed with her lawyers. I hope she is ready for the serious repercussions of her actions.
@pjdava
@pjdava Ай бұрын
John Kim (Komerican-OG), I really like your videos, let's be friends!
@komerican-og
@komerican-og Ай бұрын
One friend Coming UP ^^
@babyc3482
@babyc3482 Ай бұрын
I wish you would try this with Disney and see how it goes like ain't no way you going to work for Disney and then come back and tell them what they going to do with their products that they paid you to make. She would have had a major lawsuit from Disney just for talking about this.
@komerican-og
@komerican-og Ай бұрын
Wow..I should have used Disney as an example. Thanks for your input. They would have made minced meat our of her.
@meemac4709
@meemac4709 Ай бұрын
Surely Hybe must have weighed the result of this action and realized that it would lose more in keeping her than there would be on losing her. The mere fact that Hybe decided to let go of her despite her massive success with NJ, there must be more credible evidence showing her attempt to overstep the management, if not betray, Hybe than what the Company is showing the public.
@user-wg1lj9jk5g
@user-wg1lj9jk5g Ай бұрын
I didn't even know who this woman was until she joined Hybe
@shericet
@shericet Ай бұрын
Thank you for the explanation it is so sad . I feel like you that this is such a terrible thing and to see fans turned all upside down. I also feel so sad for the artist as well .
@ketlee922
@ketlee922 Ай бұрын
Excellent explanation!
@user-wg1lj9jk5g
@user-wg1lj9jk5g Ай бұрын
But why didn't she ask for compensation if she thinks her ideas were used.
@beekayify
@beekayify Ай бұрын
Hybe has responded to her press conference...
@Roxst1905
@Roxst1905 Ай бұрын
Can't imagine MHJ's laywer headache right now XD
@MewDenise
@MewDenise Ай бұрын
Good point! Ador is already theirs (HYBE) so why try "taking it over"? Makes no sense
@snowleopard8588
@snowleopard8588 Ай бұрын
If that’s is NHJ’s perspective then she needs to hand over the last op. The lap top is Hybe property and if she is so innocents and the victim then handing over the laptop so that the audit will be completed and would clear her name, right.
@prevodiEtranslations
@prevodiEtranslations Ай бұрын
Simply like that ... a clear logic 🤷‍♀️ ... that’s what I ment when I wrote my comment under previous post and more you didn't say bcs it would be dangerous 🙂 ... in fact, the question is, why she is sawing her own branch all alone 🤷‍♀️
@MewDenise
@MewDenise Ай бұрын
I always find myself very interested in business practices and contacts when this kind of thing happens.
@tanvivian
@tanvivian Ай бұрын
Spot on.
@Mimi-vy6lq
@Mimi-vy6lq Ай бұрын
Hi could you please do a reaction video on MHJ's newest statement from yesterday? Id love to hear your insights. THANK YOU SO MUCH
@komerican-og
@komerican-og Ай бұрын
I am so very thankful for your interest but I as I have stated, I would rather stay off this subject. Too much negativity and weird people. ^^ To me personally, this is such an open and shut case as it stands. I feel like my IQ is going down as I engage with horde of people who are not willing to listen. ^^ Hope you understand.
@fullyasian98
@fullyasian98 Ай бұрын
I wouldn't put anything past greedy, manipulative people, i wouldn't put any thing like chart , media and rumor manipulation past them for gain at the expense of everyone else involved.
@AlexaOleksa
@AlexaOleksa Ай бұрын
There are literally wars going on, and people don't find anything better than make themsleves feel better by oozing toxic hate...thank you for supporting Ukraine💜
@komerican-og
@komerican-og Ай бұрын
I can't believe Ukraine is not getting better FULL support they deserve desperately. -.-
@staywithme946
@staywithme946 Ай бұрын
Lol, Bang PD being consumed by hatred towards Min Heejin, when people are claiming he was in love with her. Lets cross that out
@nanpolaris4806
@nanpolaris4806 Ай бұрын
She's acting like a jilted lover, not a business woman. Hate to say this, but this seems like the aftermath of a relationship gone sour. Why was Bang PD so generous with her and why is she so consumed with feelings of being used and bitterness? Don't want to suggest some conspiracy theory nonsense, just reading between the lines here for the oldest motive that has ever existed for irrational behavior - love.
@meagain7669
@meagain7669 Ай бұрын
Once I get overwhelmed by the news from Palestinians genocide I switch to kpop dramas like this to cool off it’s weird, but we’re living in weird times
@komerican-og
@komerican-og Ай бұрын
Wow.. that is 😅scary yet zen thing I have ever heard. Hope you find peace in this cruel world.
@AlexaOleksa
@AlexaOleksa Ай бұрын
She also clearly aimed to be HYBE CEO but they chose someone else and i guess she was livid with it
@ARMY-MR
@ARMY-MR Ай бұрын
Simple 👏🏽👍
@JJ-tk4ix
@JJ-tk4ix Ай бұрын
ppt skills not bad 👍
@kidjewel1468
@kidjewel1468 Ай бұрын
However, much I am not a fan hybe for my personal reasons, I they have a point to calling out any employee who seems to be trying to attain the company, I would ensure that I do it legally. I haven't sided with bg in various ways regarding BTS stuff but for 20%; he can't make up that sh1t to get it back. Everyone under Hybe is under Bang. If he asks for his stuff back, just give it to him. Then start a war. Don't act like you are toddler refusing to give a toy back.
@lbg2memh5530
@lbg2memh5530 Ай бұрын
YES,! Two major global humanitarian atrocities occurring right now and THIS is making us upset, angry?! Those rich CEOs can fight in private while we peasants die in the streets unnoticed 😢 Which do you think carries more weight and importance?
@kingsfan_offnight5025
@kingsfan_offnight5025 Ай бұрын
Thanks for the analysis again. You mention Hybe gave her a stupid nice deal, 18% ownership and full autonomy. What if Hybe realized they gave her too much power. What if she was too headstrong, stubborn, and difficult to work with, and they wanted her out of the position. Maybe some people did hate her. Like you said, Hybe has 80% control and could kick her out anytime, but without clear public reason, replacing her after such a successful year with NJ looks badly on Hybe. The biggest polarizing unknown… 1) did she plan an to take over ador management or 2) was she set up to get her out. Either way, the formal complaint of plagiarism might have been the last straw to Hybe that she is an issue, and they had an opportunity to investigate to find dirt. And now they watch her go down in public opinion flames with her press conferences. That part is her own fault. In the end, when a company doesn’t want you there anymore. They’ll find justification to let you go. Not saying that she’s 100% innocent and didn’t do anything unethical or criminal. But that’s for a court to decide. But I feel like she was targeted because she was disliked and seen as more of a liability than a benefit.
@richard6025
@richard6025 Ай бұрын
Do you have any expertise in music or law oris this just your opinion
@komerican-og
@komerican-og Ай бұрын
I have had multiple startups and worked as a consultant for corporate entities for around 30 years. Music is my hobby. As I have said, a place I run to for fun and enjoyment. Please fact check all I have said. What I have said here is nothing special. Everyone who worked in a corporate environment (at higher level) knows this as just basic facts. I have even lost control of a company this way once. They ganged up on me. LOL I was not happy. I might have planted evidence on them with all the spite I had but..... had no balls.
@richard6025
@richard6025 Ай бұрын
@@komerican-og lol ok
@hoanhuynh7059
@hoanhuynh7059 Ай бұрын
​@komerican-og Anyone who studied business in college would know the basic of how a corporation works. I think you did a great job, and not sure why this person is questioning you.
@afokabest
@afokabest Ай бұрын
Just Audit whole HYBE to seek transparency. Greediness of #HYBESCAM is hilarious. Bang PD is shooting his own foot day by day.
@user-pd1uh7vv2g
@user-pd1uh7vv2g Ай бұрын
It’s not simple as you said. You might want to research more. She is not that stupid. It’s gonna take for a while to end this war…
@lunagold4516
@lunagold4516 Ай бұрын
Bro, this Guy do consulting for live, and he made his research. You said she is not stupid, but actually is very stupid, do what she is doing dragging out all the groups she mentioned instead of answer the accusations that Hybe made😅 she has ver long career and she is a professional creative director what kind of show she is giving. And I'm sorry, but Hybe gave her everything she wanted and more, she gets a salary and also the 18% of Ador that is like 200 billion wones
@hoanhuynh7059
@hoanhuynh7059 Ай бұрын
She thinks she is smart, but doesn't know how a corporation works. So yeah, she is stupid and playing dirty trick to make people feel sorry for her.
@eileencritchley4630
@eileencritchley4630 Ай бұрын
It'll end in court I think she forgot that Bang is not afraid to take things to the law courts and will protect HYBE with the full force of the law. He's not going to do anything shady that'll put his Business at risk and he's not going to let anyone get away with doing anything illegal or defame his business.
@estebancisneros3400
@estebancisneros3400 25 күн бұрын
You are wrong in everything, you don't know what you're talking about 👎👎👎👎👎
@komerican-og
@komerican-og 25 күн бұрын
Lol.... If you don't have brain power to put forth some facts and logic, don't make statements. It just makes you sound extremely dumb. Cuz shouting out stuff is only noise.
@jcp164
@jcp164 Ай бұрын
That's what she said; if she cared about money, she would just shut her mouth. This is about IP; if another company copies the IP of another company, it will kill the original creator. Imagine if all the companies were doing that?. That is why we can differentiate between the JYP, YG, and SM groups. Your deduction was not just biased but also lacks critical thinking about the information. I don't think Hybe would risk planting evidences, but this is a big company; they can do anything, have a lot of connections, and has capability to shut every door. At some point, when you feel you are on top of the world, you will have a tendency to show that you are powerful; that can do anything. Especially, when your opponent is just a nobody to you.
@josiealum-ld4ux
@josiealum-ld4ux Ай бұрын
the thing is that ip is hybes,ador ip belongs to hybe
@summer6286
@summer6286 Ай бұрын
did you watch the video?😂 the newjeans ip belongs to hybe!
@jcp164
@jcp164 Ай бұрын
@@josiealum-ld4ux Ador is a subsidiary company, and Hybe has a lot of subsidiary companies. There must be some kind of agreement that cannot be broken between the subsidiary companies under Hybe. It's a multi-label system, and I don't think MHJ would raise the issue the first time if there weren't any.
@jcp164
@jcp164 Ай бұрын
@@summer6286 Did you use your logic when you watched it?
@becauseimatrash3509
@becauseimatrash3509 Ай бұрын
Which IP belongs to? To whom adore belongs. Hybe owns 80% of adore. She owns 18% 2% were employees.
@KHS99272
@KHS99272 Ай бұрын
As a Newjeans fan and I watched Illit from the first time, I knew this would be a problem because Hybe copied Newjeans. this is reality and we cannot deny it. I know kpop because of Newjeans and I didn't know kpop before
@robinjohnson8436
@robinjohnson8436 Ай бұрын
Newjeans copied several aspects of previous groups also. Mhj is just blaming hybe because she got caught now. She should never be throwing her nj girls and other idols under the bus if she really was a responsible leader. Instead she is using them to garner sympathy and detract from her shady dealings!
@JinPeres-kt7yf
@JinPeres-kt7yf Ай бұрын
Min Hee Jin seems more fit for Le Sserafim's concept than Le Sserafim themselves. She is truly fearless and anti-fragile protect this woman. Hybe the big company is monopolies media again
@eileencritchley4630
@eileencritchley4630 Ай бұрын
You clearly haven't listen to this excellent MV have you? HBYE is the one Kpop Company that does NOT use media play. Miss Min will find out it's not good to bit the hand that feeds you and try to take what's not her's to take.
@becauseimatrash3509
@becauseimatrash3509 Ай бұрын
Im all for women supporting women but not when they do shit
@tonystark2115
@tonystark2115 Ай бұрын
#freenewjeans # freeminheejin
@LeeLee-ye1rs
@LeeLee-ye1rs Ай бұрын
#backstabberPDBang opened lots of eyes w/ his CUT THROAT treatment of MHJ..he needed MHJ to CREATE Hybes 1st female group..she DELIVERED! NOW he ripped-off her GROUP CREATION & DEFAMES HER!
@becauseimatrash3509
@becauseimatrash3509 Ай бұрын
Have you ever worked in your life? If you havent dont speak about things you dont know.
@LeeLee-ye1rs
@LeeLee-ye1rs Ай бұрын
@@becauseimatrash3509 🤣Ignorant! I worked @ Sony Entertainment.. and you?!
@emilyl1094
@emilyl1094 Ай бұрын
In big, small businesses and even daily lives, people are making use of each other for selfish reasons/personal gains. I'm just stating facts and doesn't mean I agree to it. Hybe needed to debut a 1st female group and had recognised and appreciated MHJ's talent so she was employed after she quitted SM (not sure if she was fired?) During MHJ short employment, she was made a CEO of Ador with 18% shareholding, huge salary, good bonuses, good benefits and privileges which was high above the level of being an office worker tied to a slave contract as claimed by herself. She was airing to the K-media and general public about all her work grievances, dissatisfactions, unfair treatments and even presenting private business chats which was very unprofessional as a CEO status. I'm sure most workers of all fields also encountered much job dissatisfactions and unfair treatments but had to carry on for the sake of family and financial commitments. Even Mr John Kim here said that he didn't mind being "suck dry and spat out" if he were to receive all those privileges from Hybe which normal working class people can only dream of. As an employee of Ador and holding company Hybe, she was required to do her job well which she did with the success of NJ. It didn't matter that her female group didn't debut first as they were very successful, popular and was the fastest female K-pop artist ever to hit No. 1 on Billboard's Top 200 Albums chart with their album 'Get Up. Since all the subsidiaries are within the Hybe umbrella, it should not matter if there were sharing of ideas, creations and production. In fact, it can be considered an honour if someone was inspired by your creativities, talents and music. Like many entertainers/musicians/artists were inspired by the legends like Michael Jackson, Prince, Freddy Mercury, etc. Perhaps she was having bad working attitudes and creating havoc within the company. Maybe they wanted her to resign instead of firing her which they had the right to do so. But she was very unhappy and had other ideas/plans of her own which started the sudden audit of Ador and this situation. At the end of the day, all of them are working for the same holding company, Hybe and why the need for fierce competition and back-stabbing. Sorry for my long comment which anyone can agree or disagree afterall, this is a social platform.
@kuju2315
@kuju2315 Ай бұрын
Political drama of k-pop industry. If mhj is wrong then hybe is not a innocent one. Hybe play so devil,they used mhj to make new jeans and now throw her as garbage. They give money for free? Big no . she worked . It's like your idea, hard work and everything is taken by others just because they give you money. Every company has an investor and Hybe invests their money because they like her project. Behind the scenes Hybe is capable of doing anything. Money and power do anything.
@josiealum-ld4ux
@josiealum-ld4ux Ай бұрын
they hired her to do a job
@becauseimatrash3509
@becauseimatrash3509 Ай бұрын
Lol that was her job she was paid for it AND MORE
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