Its more of a side thing because suarez and patar NEVER go on cg hiest so they wanna make a side hiest thing to also show pushers that they can also go on hiest if they want to even tho they arent in cg. Its just a side hiest crew. Thats all. Its getting blown way out there. Its not another crew even in the slightest, its cg's weed pushers and cau😂😂😂

Chat made it worse, pushing that its a new gang or street team. Literally they just want to do heists because the same group do heists and they will get yelled at if they take away buttcoin from main boys. And in EU there is not that many of them, so they want to do it with there friends who push for CG. But I will say Patar and Suarez did a horrible job in explaining.

Ooohh they just making a heist crew, not a new gang 😂😂😂😂 i think that should be fine since it is for the gang to bring in more money for the main gang? while the main group arent doing other heist like the laundromat/rancho. It feels like they want to experience their own progression instead having everything already given to them. Like getting the rainbow usbs, doing the riddles, and the golden bar exchange... Lang's gang does the same and its very efficient.

I get Patar and Suarez. But they also hit the ammo crate and didn’t tell the boys about the extendo BPs they got. And they sold one to Manor…… like Ramee said, “tax evasion.” Lol

K was right 💯 do it with gang members and houses not different people different house , this is literally it

Think its easier to say, like in world of warcraft you can be in a guild but you also have that alt crew when u either miss a run or arnt on the core team, majority may be guild (cg) but you have those pugs who dont have a spot in the guild or loyal to their own and are in the same senario, i think if suarez and patar worded it better and didnt tiptoe what their goal was it wouldve came off better, i just had this happen in wow which is why im so invested lol, ye maybe time for me to touch a lil grass today

idk why k didnt embrace this fully, let it be used to get lower members heist xp so they can fill in on the main heists if needed and then tax the secondary crew the customary 30% to keep the gang funds up..... i really think he missed the potential there on that one

Nah, i get what patar and suarez were saying. They wanted to set up a new pc because they dont want to take the coins that the main heist crew might use. But also, ramee and k has a point that if they are making a new crew, they should bring in cg members instead, and maybe cau because we like cau loool

Man isnt it obvious that suarez and patar just wanted it to be independent not to create a different crew but to minimize getting in the way of mainCG??? Patar and suarez did fumble when asked questions doe and gave K wrong impression i think. When they were talking to their stream a day before it seemed more in line to what K is talking about here. Only thing is if they add non CG members to heis crew they should still be aware its a CG heist and they are just invited, not enable for them to organize heists using that crews APP independently

Let em eat

Not a new street team problem is cg has grown so much people are being left out

This is a great idea, horrible salesmen. CG need an EU crew and a heist crew is a great recruiting pool.

🎯 Key points for quick navigation: 00:54 *🏦 K discusses financial plans and resource allocation for upcoming projects.* 02:54 *🗣️ Patar and Suarez inform K about their initiative to form a separate heist crew.* 04:23 *🚫 K emphasizes the importance of keeping the new heist crew activities separate from the main crew's operations.* 06:30 *🕒 Discussions on the timing and participation of heist activities by different crew members.* 10:04 *🤝 Chang Gang agrees to accommodate the new crew within existing infrastructure, emphasizing internal cohesion.* Made with HARPA AI

I think K did the right approach, since CG have a 2nd app with Maze Bank unlock they can join that app and even help other CG members that want to do heists and didnt had a chance yet insted of joining a separate crew. Patar and Suarez can join the 2nd app and ask other members if they want to join and make a 2nd team for heists. If the external crew have their own BTC farm and their own HQ app they can do the heist by themself in the morning.

When everyone can’t participate in the “primary crew” than there is a secondary crew by default

Hasn't that Cau guy been rejected from every crew hes tried to get into?

I mean to be fair they are all left out every time, and for K to act like they want to start their own gang is a bit crazy. the guys are bored and want to help but they should definitely be trying to do it with the other members, especially since so many ppl are left out all the time.. but k and Ramee are right they should use the other pc. but they shouldn't worry about heists if they aren't online, if the non cg members want to hit heists then they need to get their own pc.

One of the issues is everyone in cg has paid hundreds of thousands for only a few people to do heists and enjoy that content. I get that they want to start their own heist thing but not inviting their fellow gang memebers first is kinda fucked…either way everyone in cg who helps or pays money to k should be allowed to do the heists

Wait can different crews not do jobs together anymore? Some of the best jobs in 2.0, and 3.0 were when cg and the lean boys would get together, or when Eugene would tag along.

Seems like a very big lack of communication and not wanting to step on toes situation. My read on it is: Suarez and Patar- We want to do heists because its fun and we never get to but don't want to sound like we are whining about it so we are trying to do it on our own. Mr. K - All you need to do is tell me you want to do heists and we will figure something out for you (like using 2nd computer) and we will run 2 heist groups if you want to take the initiative and lead the 2nd heist group. Could all be solved by speaking plainly on both sides.

Respect for patar and Suarez because they are coming with a solution with them not being included and didn’t cry like taco and curtis zolo

This is what happens when K never rotates new people into the heist crew and leaves out 70% of CG members. When it's the same glazers that always get to do heists, people feel left out and get bored. The only time new people gets to be involved is when the main glazers aren't on, or when Ramee needs money and K isn't on, which coincidentally, the main glazers are also not on.

It's like Hydra was created under CG by flippy who was in CG in 3.0 lol

They should do this, but heists and bigger stuff you shouldn't go out of the group. Mr K has the right idea from an RP standpoint, doing as much heist and stuff you want, but keep it in the crew even the newer pushers and stuff, but making a whole separate self-sufficient group that is a mix of gangs and stuff is basically like starting a new gang and getting the benefits of other knowing you are part of CG. Also, what Ramee said, tax evasion

It’s not a new crew lol. It’s just so people who are left out in CG/ Loyal pushers can do heists. Am I missing something or did Patar do the classic Patar comms.

I didn't really understand K's point initially but, I get what he's saying, this is pretty much how hydra started, wanting to do jobs with other people. I don't think CG wants the 'umbrella' shit again.

There has been so many ppl on jobs ..and last night cg did a job without main crew besides ramee so

Maybe you should involve them more. Especially when Suarez saves the boys constantly

Negative points for loyalty from Ks pov

I think K and Ramee are right in this case. I think it´s good that Patar and Suarez take initiative, and want to do heists on their own. That is great, but to create a completely different crew makes it difficult to keep the gang together. K really dislikes bringing in outsiders. K didn´t say it out loud, but I sensed that if this is the direction they choose, he´s pretty much done with them. I don´t think he wants to deal with umbrella gang in 4.0. So I don´t think Patar and Suarez mean anything bad with his, the opposite, they want to do something good, but they might not understand the issues of keeping a big group together.

Suarez and Patar have every right to want to have fun because they are never in main 6, but if they want to be in CG, the logical thing would be for them to use the gang's application and people from the gang who are in the same position as them. I think Patar and Suarez had good intentions but they communicated it in such a horrible way that they basically recreated the Hydra situation in Ramee and K's heads...

saw this one coming when Chris/Patar came up with it, CG was never about working with other people outside of cg unless they have nobody around, this make patar look so bad

ya Suarez and Patars right, ramee and k only hand with the same 6 every heist need to get elli hazel patar and suarez

i think yesterday with ramee taking bobby, arya and chris all of them proved they could easily run with patar and suarez and pickup ppl like hutch, curtis etc this coming from them shouldnt be a thing considering the skill of the people in the gang and how new they are even K said they losing points

trying to accuse those two of "tax evasion" is the most idiotic thing I've herd ramee say yet, they give everything they have to the gang everytime its needed as well as when its not needed i mean holy shit suarez used his own money just to make sure the gang had free lockpicks daily and all he asked was to drop off the used up lockpicks so it didnt cost so much to get new ones and 1 lockpick out of 10 got returned. in a whole week... not to mention the 50k he spent for K's birthday present or the money patar pitched in for the over 2 million dollars in fines from the terrorism charges suarez also pitched in on that

Why are ppl saying other members had it worse? So patar and suarez should just sit on the side and do no heists? This is actually a smart idea. I can tell patar and suarez were not expecting K to let them use the second pc thats why they said they dont mind it.

People in the comments are wildin out, fr. 4.0 has seen main OGs down to Mr K, Ramee and Vinny. Cameo appearances from Triple OG Bobby and Big D... To be part of the 'main' heist crew has ALWAYS been about what you bring. Hacker, driver, planner etc. and of course clout. I mean common, Ellie is now a main hacker in the group, granted she has grinded the hell out for CG... In 3.0, CG got roasted for having 20+ members, but really just had legacy members and grinder groups like Street Team and Hydra to provide mats and means for heists. Then everyone did it. Now, they isolated to get away from that backlash, and its still the same issue. Other streamers need content for financial gain. Patar and Suarez are essentially asking to be a new Street Team with no consequences for CG.

I dont see a problem with them making a secondary heist squad. Its better than just laying around doing nothing.

This is for the people riding Mr. K's meat with no license, he let Paris do art gallery this week and let Chris do it and then on top of that they are the 2nd crew to finish the Art Gallery and the crew that finished it was Zo, Ellie, Ramee, Bobby Brown, Arya, and Mr. K. K is smart and knows his shit if they are going to do something like this then do it with CG's other members and benefit all of CG instead of for your own benefits.

The way Patar and Suarez worded that was horrible. However K is right, if its "just for hesists" then use the second pc. This has always been a thing, you dont get to be in another group AND CG, pick one or the other its very simple. Some people may not like that and thats fine but to be a part of the machine that is CG those are the rules and thats just how it goes like it or not. If this other "heist crew" starts to operate like a new gang then im sure K will give Patar and Suarez an ultimatum and im sure people wont like that either.

they didn’t explain it properly and it didn’t help that ramee with his not listening was there. every few seconds he’s asking them to repeat what they just said. and then talking over them immediately after. 😂 I think it’s great that they want to do stuff on their own without waiting for main crew to invite them.

K is a great leader BUT his biggest weakness is the inability to make everyone feel included. I'm not saying he has to hand hold everyone. People also have to show initiative. But its also hard to do so when everything is gatekept. Peanut can't even do a moonshine run without being called someone thats looking for hand outs. Chris just gets called for materials. Patar just gets called for server racks. Pigeon just gets called for weed turf. Ellie just gets called over money/weed. Its also hard to show initiative when every heist is a life or death outrage moment. Fail a hack and Ramee/K will lose their shit. Can't go on a heist to learn hacks. Other gangs switch people in and out and give others a shot. While CG there's always a main squad.

Uh Suarez has not asked or ever been fully invited by MrK Yes a 2nd crew but how many members are awake when they are awake numbers gotta add up

I wish he would’ve put his foot down and said he didn’t want any side groups. If they wanna be in their own group then they can’t be CG

Here we go again... 🤦🏽‍♂️

I think k and ramee are not understanding why they are doing it on a separate app, they are doing it on a separate app so the cg pot stirring members don't talk shit and start drama about them using the 2nd cg app and saying they are stealing from the gang ect ect. Let's be honest that's exactly what the shit stirrers will do.

CG Hangaround crew

in 4.0 mr.k should be the unapproachable one not ramee LOL u can clearly tell patar and saurez did the -100 speech thing and miss represented what they wanted to do because they were afraid to bring it up to mr.k in the first place knowing he would take it the wrong way and freak out... TBH im shocked he said yes, i think he only did because of what chat said to him about "gate keeping" so at that point he had to say yes or look like the bad guy.. Now regardless of what happen in 3.0 this is a good thing because most gangs already do this they have all their pushes and associates on an app and have them run jobs and give kick backs to the main gang/crew. langs group is the perfect example of this all top gang in 4.0 run like this they get their friends and civ friends and whoever else they know on app and get them to run jobs.. this whole umbrella thing was made up by CG enemies in 3.0 but seems like CG care more about that term than others like some sort of PTSD. it worked in 3.0 no one could touch them now everyone running CG 3.0 game play and are miles ahead of CG

Main CG should have suggested this before. Much better having two CG crews hit jobs because it's twice the opportunity to progress

lol if Patar makes new crew ....this MF better start running Sani lol

he says no CG butcoin is used. but who bought all the racks and cards? could that be the missing money that went missing what a month or 2 ago??

People saying he gatekeeping he isn't, he don't care if they set up another app that uses the other CG members/affiliates too CG. If they start running their own crew with non CG that will be the end of Patar & Suarez. He even said it in this video they came too him he didn't seek them out. Can't have it both ways your either in and utilize the cg roster or your out.

people blowihg this up lmao. Pretty sure patar talked to K recently and gave him like 40 32 round mags for pistols

lol the people in the comment section are taking it to another level. In the end K is ok w/ it so like why are ya'll crying.

it all started from heist crew to a new gang to be under the same umbrella then separated from cg, always been like that

Yea it's seems like another Hydra and ST shit.

"we want our own app" it's always gonna happen. I expect patar will always be their pusher as he's not willing to speak up.

Ya I don’t see any problem with this at all

You can definitely tell in the comments who are new 4.0 viewers and who are old viewers the old ones understand what K is saying it is all about perspective use the CG second computer because we don’t want to make it look like we are starting another ST if you break off in a new house with your own farms and your own stuff it is now just a new gang it never will stay to only heists it will start out as that then will turn in to this guy robbed me let’s ride out now you are in a whole gang war with your heist group do it from the CG house make it cleaner

TMC 2.0

That's an L take from K it's not Hydra nor streets time type shit they just want to play the game and explore a side they haven't been able to because the main squad is doing it all the time so they're left out and them wanting to have another crew to do the heist and missions should not be restricted by the leader of their gang just because they were the ones who asked to join the Gang, instead of thinking it's going to be like Street Team & Hydra think of it as an actual A Squad, B Squad, Z Squad..etc type of shit

K is wrong for being mad. He can’t keep heists to himself. They need the entertainment also

I had a feeling something like this would happen after Ramee lowkey got Suarez arrested yesterday with his Jessi Adler beef and Suarez got fined 🤣🤣

People are acting like k and ramee are against a second heist crew. They aren't, they're against a second heist crew with non cg members in a different house on a random hq app. Keep it in the gang. There are literally so many cg members they can do heists and put fellow cg members on at the same time. K and ramee don't want another hydra and street team situation where there are cg members making new crews.

Come back in 1 month and its a hydra situation , and in 2 months they wont be affiliated with cg , its how it goes they are bored

New street team

What they essentially made is a new gang tbh. The main reason why Patar and Suarez would even need cg is for heist. If they do it with outside CG people then they're essentially out and with a new gang anyways. This is how it starts. They it's going to evolve into other things too.

Hazel and peanut aren’t on jobs y not do jobs with them and Paris ..hmmm

am i dumb like these guys jus joined the gang work ur way up and eventually theyll be doen heists lmao

Just why dude stay with the CG boys man

So then go make ur own crew 😂😂😂

Patar should just leave

When you run a gang/family you don't bring randoms and start a new crew, K and Ramee are right, and then these people have ties to CG, that is not ok. You need to put in work to be apart of the main crew, they have an option of using the second computer so they can have fun run heists etc its not like they flat out turned it down. All these sensitive sallys put down your tissues, especially when your take is dead wrong.

It just kinda... FEELS... like some new guys "in" CG feel... entitled... to heist spots over OGs because they've contributed a little bit in a short time. Astonishing. I'm not saying it's arrogance, but it's not a good look man. You want in CG's heist team, or any higher-up position in LIFE, make yourself known and keep working for it. I say this as somebody who really likes chris/patar/suarez, but man, as K said, there's was a better way to approach this without giving hints to your gang leader that you're not happy and basically want to take other people in his gang to start your own crew. That's a sure-fire way to make people dislike you and not trust you going forward.

Think about it this way.... CG now have a street team?

A heist crew on the side 😂😂😂😂

Ofc they wanna setup their own system.. they do much grinding and don't get to do any heist. Classic K.. wanna be boss of everything and making it weird when people try to do their own thing and then turn around and say "I want people do their own thing without me" to gaslight viewers who echo chamber him. What's was hard to understand about it.. he wants everyone to grind for free without any expectations. There's a reason most of the 3.0 people in the gang don't come around and Ramee looks bored out of his mind

if you're not OG you'll never get invited to any heists. OG Crygang is the priority, these people should create their own gang and leave crygang.

Have they ever asked to be put in a job?? If not then oh well

L is afraid of losing suarez and patar. He finds them very valuable

anyone who watched CG In 3.0 knows they are too big and people always get left out it happen with novah and curtis being left out for people like raymond and april to go on jobs and learn the city in 3.0 (they never complained about it until after raymond and april stopped playing because they continued to be left out and also wanted april and raymond to have fun themselves) and its happening again because people like chris saurez patar ellie get everything done for CG (like CG wouldn't even run without those 4) and they don't even ask to be taken on heists because they know the answer is no or it will just straight up annoy mr.k and ramee.. (mr.k and ramee just need to be better at including more people and not the same 6-9 people who go on every heist) like add 2-3 new people every time u do a laundry or cash exchange get them comfortable with the hacks and then bring like 1-2 new people every time u try maze bank and do the same thing get those people comfort with those hacks next thing u know everyone in the crew can hack up until the art heist. I don't see an issue with the B team of CG doing this, not sure why k and ramee do either i get they went through this in 3.0 but literally every gang operates like this already they add all their pushes or associates to an HQ app get them to run jobs and anything good gets thrown back to the main crew.. the main crew is just worried they wont be able to call patar and demand buttcoin from him for free just because hes in CG and has to pay his way in the gang.. LOL also tbf both patar and saurez explained it so badly LOL could of just said i wanna start an app with people in CG who don't get to go on jobs often and some of the pushers for CG and that they would throw a kick back to CG or something like that and both k and ramee would of been fine with it.. lowkey feels like k only said yes because his chat called him out on gate keeping (which i don't think he is but hes also not trying to see it from their point of view and have sympathy for them not getting to be involved in heists when that's a big part of the server) instead he got defensive and straight to confirm his narrative / thought process about this was correct and his chat was wrong. i love K but this is his biggest weakness as a leader he can never be wrong his ego wont allow it.

I think they should have approached K sooner before establishing anything and asked him for advice how they should go about it. Instead they approached him while they have a PC and a BTC farm going behind his back.. to me that doesn’t look good.

Tuggs is soo annoying when he present i turn to angry ginge

Classic K gate keeping

This is just weird sry..go start ur own gang

Get rid of zolo penaut arya zaceed vinny ellie etc etc etc and make room for Suarez for gods sake. CG already weak as is.

Classic always gatekeeping first stopping the city from doing council things now to stopping there own gang

There has been so many ppl on jobs ..and last night cg did a job without main crew besides ramee so