KAC M110 SASS: The end of the M14 (SR25/ AR10 vs M21 sniper accuracy review)

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AR10 vs M14 system, which one is better? We attempt to show a few reasons why the KAC SR25/AR10 systems was able to finally beat out the M14 sniper /DMR variants in the US arsenal.
Eugene Stoner's AR10 initially lost the contract to the M14 for the U.S. military's primary rifle, and initially came back as the M16 in the Vietnam era.
Years later, the M14 had been relegated to a pure DMR role, and Stoner worked with Reed Knight Jr. to return the AR10/SR25 system to to compete with the M21/Mk14 systems... and succeeded.
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@watrousmark401 3 жыл бұрын

I'll be glad to give a loving forever home to any M110s that are abandoned by the military.

@blairbuskirk5460 3 жыл бұрын

Sign me up for that Cmp program too.

@rhubarbpie2027 3 жыл бұрын

Here, here!

@bradywise4385 3 жыл бұрын

Me too

@Butter_Warrior99 3 жыл бұрын

Same here.

@Thorn19774 3 жыл бұрын

Oh my god yes my body is ready 😍

@piggysleft 5 жыл бұрын

Take note Gun Tubers . This video is the gold standard of reviews.

@9HoleReviews 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! These reviews take a long time to cut.

@130shooter1 5 жыл бұрын

@@9HoleReviews It's the perfect balance between gun porn and usable info.

@wk3818 5 жыл бұрын

Right you are. These guys are pros. I hate to click on something that looks interesting only to have some wet behind the ears kid with his first gun doing a review. Umm, ahhh, annnd, ahhh. You know what I'm saying.

@carl-ok9gn 5 жыл бұрын

absolutely

@HiVoltish 5 жыл бұрын

These guys are just amazing! I really enjoy their content.

@kevinstafford4475 5 жыл бұрын

Having shot the M14 in Afghanistan and SR-25/M-110 in Iraq, the AR wins hands down IMO. After returning fro my first Afghan tour in 03 I went ahead and spent the money to "clone" my M1A into what we were using. While fairly accurate it was expensive and I also noticed the same drift to the left when I heated the gun up too fast. After one of my Iraq tours I accepted that the AR platform is inherently more accurate and easier to go with when doing the DMR route with a semi-auto. I now shoot my MK12 build in competitions and it has been both bullet proof and a tack driver. My M1A has been converted back to its original configuration as a iron sighted battle rifle. Now I am not bashing the M1A/M14 and still really enjoy shooting mine whenever I get the chance but the truth is that the AR is just a better platform.

@tatsuhirosatou5513 5 жыл бұрын

The ar10 is definitely better but the m110 kinda sucks those 5r barrels are pretty trash, check out blackhole weaponry, they make 416stainless 3r polygonal rifling that is constantly sub moa after the breakin period of about 80rounds.

@bluedevilb4 5 жыл бұрын

I used the M14 in Afghanistan in '03 also, but the problems I had was that they had wood stocks and 3.5x ACOGs used as a DMR. Then the EBR M14 came out and it was way more efficient. I used the M110 SASS in Iraq as my primary sniper rifle over the M24 and loved the capabilities it gave us. It saved my life a few times. I was with Bco 3/504PIR in Afghanistan '03, Iraq '04, and Iraq '08. All the Way, brother!!

@kevinstafford4475 5 жыл бұрын

Agreed about the 3.5 and wood stocks. Personally I thought the 3.5 ACOG was the wrong optic from the get go and seeing so many guys do the ad hoc 100mph tape hump to get the right eye relief seemed so ludicrous. Strike Hold brother and take care.

@brianblack546 5 жыл бұрын

Kevin Stafford thank you for your service. I hope you are on the side of the people during the upcoming civil war.

@kevinstafford4475 5 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure what civil war you are expecting but for me my loyalty is to the Constitution I swore an oath to protect and defend.

@legolasgrof 5 жыл бұрын

Dude, you did such a great job on this. This is better than a history channel documentary. (although, that isn't saying much anymore) You earned a subscriber.

@9HoleReviews 5 жыл бұрын

Welcome!

@Not-a-bot222 4 жыл бұрын

Make that two subs

@andrewbisbee9251 7 ай бұрын

exactly my sentiment...garand thumb is ok but is more of an entertainer which is ok if that's what you're looking for....9 hole reviews for excellent well distributed knowledge insight and of course practical accuracy.....been a subscriber since I seen black hawk down "Gordon" carbine....best weapon video on youtube FYI

@centurian318 5 жыл бұрын

E. Stoner finally gets his revenge against the US Army’s Ordnance Board from beyond the grave. Even the HK uses the same gas system of his AR-18. 😆😅😂🤣

@namyun2743 4 жыл бұрын

@Centurian318 The HK rifles have as much parts commonality with the AR-18 as the Garand does with a Kalashnikov, in other words: none. The rifles they do have much more in common with is the AR 10/15 platforms. Lots of parts interchangeability there, like the entire lower receivers, triggers group, stocks.

@brettwarner719 4 жыл бұрын

Guy is an industry legend for a reason.

@dunadan7136 4 жыл бұрын

t1tacal False considering that people who know what they’re looking at when a gun malfunctions knows the AR design in terms of reliability is fine. The rifle is also not particularly complex contrary to popular belief.

@dunadan7136 4 жыл бұрын

t1tacal I never claimed that the AR doesn’t fail though. All I said is that the AR platform is not any less reliable than others, hence why I said in terms of reliability it is fine.

@dunadan7136 4 жыл бұрын

cjhyde78 Hydrostatic shock theory is bunk to the best of my knowledge. 5.56 with the right bullets can create a large permanent cavity though, especially 77 gr OTM And yes 55 gr and normal 62 gr M855 out of short barrels is sub-optimal but there already are loads that are effective even on SBRs.

@keithchavez7190 5 жыл бұрын

Please keep this up man. There is no other channel that does such an amazing in-depth look at long range rifles. Love all of your videos!

@sirgallahad4 5 жыл бұрын

That thing just looks like a masterpiece of engineering.

@UnspokenBurdens 5 жыл бұрын

4:27 a wild Chris Bartocci appears

@rzr2ffe325 5 жыл бұрын

Haha good eye

@crocodile7334 5 жыл бұрын

Easter egg.

@runflydive702 5 жыл бұрын

Haha! Great eye!

@6.4hemidriver44 5 жыл бұрын

I though that was him.

@Mac_in_the_Hat 4 жыл бұрын

LIke a Sasquatch sighting.

@FullSendPrecision 5 жыл бұрын

It's only 23,000 dollars? I'll have two.

@randomstranger1768 5 жыл бұрын

Aaron Anderson hey you only need 1 kidney 😂

@madmaxxcrosby 5 жыл бұрын

Aaron Anderson we can all build our own version of it 😕 lol

@tatsuhirosatou5513 5 жыл бұрын

Yea to bad i have personally build more accurate ar10 rifles for under $2000

@tatsuhirosatou5513 5 жыл бұрын

@@madmaxxcrosby yea i have built several for less than $2000 that are more accurate.

@Steelandbrass 5 жыл бұрын

You get two huge hard cases of parts and the suppressors. At least thats what we got when my unit received them when I was in the army. They are pretty incredible pieces of equipment but again it’s not enough to justify the cost.

@steellobster 5 жыл бұрын

The content, commentary, and editing in your vids are all outstanding, with this one being no exception! Keep up the good work!

@THEH2OMAN 5 жыл бұрын

Another thing thing to keep in mind when comparing M14s with M14 EBRs: The M14/M1A trigger is designed to be pulled in more of an upward direction, and the original trigger design is not user friendly when a pistol grip is used. The M14 EBR trigger shoe developed for the M14EBR-RI is wider & longer, with more surface area. The steel M14 EBR trigger shoe is designed with the correct angle required to direct the trigger pull more to the back than up... The trigger pull feels natural & lighter with the M14 EBR shoe installed. Sadly, the M14 EBR trigger shoe was only issued on the Crane MK14 Mod 2 EBR.

@kurtbogle2973 2 жыл бұрын

I like the way you wrung that rifle out. Especially the moment of the point of impact as it heats up. EXCELLENT!

@AJWARCHILD 5 жыл бұрын

First one of these types I’ve watched normally been practical accuracy and I have to say love it very knowledgable great use of historical facts, love to see you compare the mk11/mk12 to the G28 if you could get you hands on one, excellent work as always!

@9HoleReviews 5 жыл бұрын

Adam Gibson we’d love to get a G28 as well!

@jinzhu8657 5 жыл бұрын

A real G28 costs almost 20,000 CAD up here in Canada and it's classified as restricted firearm that you can only shoot on ranges. My firend bought one and just gonna leave it in his safe.... 😞

@beardoggin8963 5 жыл бұрын

You guys have some of the best produced firearm accuracy reviews and content on KZfaq! Thanks for the hard work I’m glad I found this channel

@9HoleReviews 5 жыл бұрын

Cheers! happy to have you around!

@billmcyrus 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent work as always. I'm looking forward to the next couple of decades as we get an even greater accumulated knowledge base to keep improving the AR10 as we have the 15 in the last 15 years or so.

@johnwhitley2898 5 жыл бұрын

Great review!!! Right on point! My two cents worth from job experience is that Stoner's platform for accuracy and reliability is still outstanding!

@ricktenter1631 5 жыл бұрын

Great comparison! When I see you drop a video I normally stop what I’m doing and enjoy the show!

@9HoleReviews 5 жыл бұрын

Cheers! We've got some new stuff we're working on too, just busy all around here.

@rompinstomp342 5 жыл бұрын

@mcl12 5 жыл бұрын

Great sound mixing , not a lot pf people would recognize that but it very rare for youtube

@CodyMoore1987 4 жыл бұрын

Such an awesome channel!!! Definitely one of the most unbiased, in depth review channels I can find. Keep up the great work guys.

@justinm.791 4 жыл бұрын

Great video, I've always wanted to see this exact comparison! Not surprised at the results...

@gtcam723 3 жыл бұрын

I’ll probably always want an accurized M1A with a solid optic as it’s just neat to me. But no doubt that the AR is more accurate and consistent all the way around.

@tacticalenough6334 3 жыл бұрын

M1A works great! Yeah it heats up loses accuracy but most do.

@taymossninjapriest 4 жыл бұрын

Great video. I love the look and feel of my M-1A National Match edition, but technology has moved on and the AR is just a better platform for the DMR role. Still, the M-1A is hella fun to shoot.

@cheesenoodles8316 4 жыл бұрын

Great technical explanation with results clearly defined....conclusions well stated. Dang....you guys are going to drag me out of my old school world. Well done.

@JohnDoe-gj4dv 5 жыл бұрын

Mr. Chan.....your work here is beyond reproach. Thank you for all of your diligence and presentation.

@taiyoutamaki1872 2 жыл бұрын

I just can't help but love the aesthetics of the m14 they just look so dang beautiful.

@twoninecav 3 жыл бұрын

“Target Rich Environment” only some will ever know.

@TheBucketSkill 3 жыл бұрын

Go look up Travis Haley Najaf sniper. A video of the DMR concept in action. He uses a AR platform.

@davidcruz8667 2 жыл бұрын

I remember crowded streets and hillsides... and a couple of swampy river banks with thick jungle canopy. 24 years active, USMC retired, 0311. Have gun, will travel. ( Which is also VMFA(AW)-121s motto). Ask me how I know...

@ayushmaan9197 2 жыл бұрын

@@davidcruz8667 tell me more cambodia or laos?

@ayushmaan9197 2 жыл бұрын

it's a party 😜😜 oh my

@davidcruz8667 2 жыл бұрын

@@ayushmaan9197 I'm too young for Vietnam, my jungle ops where Barracks Duty in the Philippines, Panama, and training in Okinawa. Did two wars, Desert Shield/Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom.

@gm5564 4 жыл бұрын

I worked for KAC for 10 years, the SR-25 series was the first weapon I've ever assembled

@billmcyrus 4 жыл бұрын

How did you like it, based on your experience?

@gm5564 4 жыл бұрын

Built too many to have the desire to buy it at the time I guess, not a bad rifle, very accurate. $2000 at the time I was more interested in other things. Looking back maybe I should have bought at discount when I had the chance too. But I'm sure my divorce would have forced me to sell it any.

@billmcyrus 4 жыл бұрын

@@gm5564 Maybe snag one now after the election panic ends.

@gm5564 4 жыл бұрын

@@billmcyrus they have to be around $5k or more now a days, unless somebody is desperate.

@mistamef87 5 жыл бұрын

Your videos truly cant come out fast enough. Love your content

@Shooter7point62 5 жыл бұрын

Excellent video I love this kind of content. Huge fan of your work! The upkeep required to maintain match accuracy from an M14 is labor, skill, money and time intensive. All of which are impractical for today's military. AMU and older CMP/NRA competitors can attest to the challenges of the accurate M14. They can also attest to the superiority of the AR design because none of them shoot the 14 anymore. That should tell you all you need to know.

@warriorwolf77 5 жыл бұрын

You gotta admit though that the m14 especially in a sage stock is a beauty.

@mr.c.3760 5 жыл бұрын

expensive and heavy but still nice to see a good sage

@chancecarlton8403 5 жыл бұрын

@@mr.c.3760 looks affordable next to 25k or so.

@mr.c.3760 5 жыл бұрын

I just don't understand justifying that kind of high cost...it doesn't make u shoot 5x as good or even twice as good...sage for 800 and m14 for 1100 is under 2k plus optics and accessories maybe another 1k still cheaper

@chancecarlton8403 5 жыл бұрын

@@mr.c.3760 I'm with you, 25k it better dial up the holds for me.

@HiVoltish 5 жыл бұрын

I put my M1A in a Blackfeather chassis and really enjoy it.

@wolfyk95 4 жыл бұрын

Wow, the no bs, no opinion style of your videos is really refreshing.

@KindredGh0st 5 жыл бұрын

I love the history behind the rifles. This channel is really one of the best channels currently. Keep. It. Up.

@9HoleReviews 5 жыл бұрын

KindredGh0st cheers! The history is what makes firearms interesting!

@Jeff-mo5gc 5 жыл бұрын

Great Video, I carried the M14 EBR in Kandahar, Afghanistan 2011 - 2012. Our unit sniper's had the new KAC SR25, they said it was a good weapon, but it would malfunction from time to time. The M4 Carbine (5.56) was more reliable. Other then the M14 being almost as heavy as a SAW, it worked good for us, as far as being reliable. It was for sure a force multiplier much like CAS and Mortors, but with the little amount of training we had on the system a better optic with a ACSS type reticle would have helped immensely. We had a mil-dot 2-10 power Leopold's, guessing the range to insurgents under stress was nearly impossible. We mostly just walked our shots in and let guy's go that we didn't think we could hit. They basically handed us the rifle, gave us a 2 HR hip-pocket class on it and said "Good luck."

@9HoleReviews 5 жыл бұрын

I've heard the same from sniper teams back then. I'm curious if those reports had sparked the move to the G28, but I hadn't heard of any issues from 2015 onwards TBH.

@otetechie 5 жыл бұрын

9-Hole Reviews we had SR25/MK11, pre M110, in northern Afghanistan in 2006-7. Then the M110 in Iraq 2010-11. I didn’t have any problems with either. From what I understand the goal with switching to H&K was to reduce size and weight. With the adoption of the M2010 they wanted to make the M110 into a spotter weapon that doesn’t stick out as a sniper rifle.

@stevewilson7819 5 жыл бұрын

Nothing like setting our guys up for success!

@dizzlethechef 5 жыл бұрын

Chris Bartocci cameo at 4:27 😍 lol. I know he really dislikes the M21/M14, now I'm starting to see his point. Excellent work guys. The scenario driven side by side comparison was great.

@9HoleReviews 5 жыл бұрын

he actually ends up kicking the camera on accident on the actual footage lol

@dizzlethechef 5 жыл бұрын

@@9HoleReviews hahha should have included a blooper reel.

@HiVoltish 5 жыл бұрын

I love Chris Bartocci. His knowledge about black rifles seems boundless. I will, however, never understand his loathing of an inanimate object. He is absolutely correct in is appraisal of the M14 but should direct his hatred to the people responsible.

@humansvd3269 5 жыл бұрын

@@HiVoltish He explained it very well.

@killerratchet1973 4 жыл бұрын

@@paulbarclay4114 His P90 video was kinda crap too speaking of he complained about it jamming but used that shitty American eagle ammo and not the factory FN ammo. Held it in an unsafe manor because without that suppressor he would've shot his finger, and regurgitated that classic fudd lore myth of 5.7x28mm of just being a ".22 windmag" despite the fact it actually has more velocity and superior ballistics over it.

@Maelstrom8 5 жыл бұрын

Excellent video! Great to see some long form stuff from you guys again. There is something so cool and deliberate about the M110 design. It's incredible how far ahead of his time Eugene Stoner was. I also really love the technical breakdown during your 9 shot comparisons. Really shows the difference between the systems and the improvements that the 110 brings. Great stuff!

@9HoleReviews 5 жыл бұрын

Cheers! We try to do these “classic” reviews as best as we can but post production time is not a luxury we have.

@Maelstrom8 5 жыл бұрын

@@9HoleReviews I know the feeling. Trigger time always takes precedent! Keep em coming!

@jasonrichards9330 5 жыл бұрын

Keep it up. Your slowly getting bigger and bigger. Gonna be one of the biggest guntoobers soon with this kind of production quality

@henrywes2628 5 жыл бұрын

So a infantry weapon that was accurized to fill a role we didn't have a weapon for didn't perform as well as a weapon that was built from the ground up to fill the same role? Not very surprising, actually hats off to the gunsmiths that were able to accomplish that feat with a platform that was designed in 1949.

@francesco3772 5 жыл бұрын

The M14 is trash as a br, trash as a dmr and trash as a stick to maul your foes with. Worst seppostani weapon designed in the last century.

@Shooter7point62 5 жыл бұрын

You do have to admire the civilian and military innovation required to build an accurate M14. It takes a highly skilled person to both build and shoot the rifle. Best served as a battle rifle!

@miletello1 5 жыл бұрын

@@francesco3772 I wouldn't say it's trash, but I will admit that there FAR better options for any role. The M14 was decent. However, considering the competition at the time was the FAL, it should have never come to fruition. Literally every other allied nation was going with the FAL except the U.S. because America.

@immikeurnot 5 жыл бұрын

@@miletello1 The M14 would have been a good rifle... if they'd issued it in 1940. It was too far behind the curve to be a good rifle. The AR10 and AR15 eclipsed it by a huge margin. For the time period it was used in, it was trash. The KAC M110 isn't quite what I'd call a "ground-up" design. It's ultimately a modification of the AR10 (by being a 7.62 NATO redesign of the AR15). And really, it's the "direct impingement" (I really hate that term, because it's not true DI if you have a piston like these rifles do, but... everybody says it) system that makes the AR so capable of good accuracy. It isn't hard at all to build an MOA rifle on the AR platform. Buy a good barrel, free float, make sure it's not horrendously over-gassed and feed it good ammo - done. A build you can do at home.

@LordSluggo 5 жыл бұрын

@@immikeurnot Isn't the M14 basically just an updated M1 Garand?

@HeretoStay33 5 жыл бұрын

The M14 rifle was never designed to shoot MOA and scoped rifle technology, especially for semi autos was very new at the time of its induction. Goes to show just about any rifle, with enough time, money and technology can be made to shoot accurately. The M110, although not originally designed for this role if you count its origins as the AR10, has much more going for it from a design standpoint(ease of scope mounting, free float barrel, ergonomics). I own an LRB medium weight M14 and experience the same issues you have, but until that barrel heats up considerably its just as accurate as anything else. Its still completely practical for its intended role and more than qualified for civilian or police marksmen who realistically will never find themselves in a situation that degrades accuracy due to heat. Would be interesting to see how a heavy weight barrel would fare on the M14 when things heat up.

@ScottHunt1 5 жыл бұрын

You guys are my favorite channel on KZfaq. I love the M14 as well as the civilian versions of the M1A National and Super Match. I have been tweaking these to improve accuracy for quite sometime. I unfortunately have not had the chance or pleasure to fire the M110. Despite the sand cuts in the bolt carrier group, I would like to see the M110 thrown in less than laboratory virtually pharmaceutical grade clean environments. I really liked the side by side comparison showing the accuracy of both weapon systems. As always excellent video! Thanks for sharing. Keep throwing them down range!

@jacksonthompson7099 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome review, love every second of your videos! Keep up the awesome work guys!

@kajukenpofighter4195 4 жыл бұрын

Unbiased fact based review. As much as I love the M1a platform, I can't deny the AR10 is inherently better. There is still a place for the M14.

@CharlieNoodles 2 жыл бұрын

Lol, the only place for the M14 is a museum. That rifle was obsolete the day it entered service but the fanboys just don’t want to admit it.

@alexmaurice4274 2 жыл бұрын

@@CharlieNoodles I wish it was cheap at least so then it’d be like the worst probably but at least cheap and not that bad, but it’s not that much cheaper than an ar10 or other cheaper 308s is it?

@hoppinggnomethe4154 Жыл бұрын

@@CharlieNoodles I'm not a fanboy, but the gun still has its place. You think that all places are long-range DMR shootings?

@Mr683465 5 жыл бұрын

I enjoy your videos. Please keep them going. Thank you

@prepper1013 3 жыл бұрын

Note to self - If I ever borrow your lawn mower I'll make sure I return it when I am done - I just found you on the Tube. Love your videos and reviews. Thank you.

@InTheDarknessWhereIDwell 5 жыл бұрын

Very nice presentation. I got a lot more from this video than I expected. Well done. Ten thumbs up.

@roddenby 5 жыл бұрын

This was an excellent review across all metrics. Well done!

@Shane-Singleton 5 жыл бұрын

Nice comparison and data!

@9HoleReviews 5 жыл бұрын

Shane Singleton thanks!

@ltrbuhq 5 жыл бұрын

The radio coms at the end bring me back... Gunner, coax, truck...identified, driver up, fire, on the way, target destroyed cease fire.....lol, back in the DAY..old now.

@carl-ok9gn 5 жыл бұрын

Man. You/this is my favorite youtube channel. Your content is beyond professional tv. these aren't videos of some guy who is average at shooting perpetuating rumors and stereotypes like the vast majority of videos out there. you do things right and know what you're talking about. and again, the production is remarkable. i get bored with gun youtubers real quick. i thoroughly enjoy every one of your videos.

@marcusdymler8386 5 жыл бұрын

I love the M14. I used it when I was in service 15 years ago. I wish I own one now.

@9HoleReviews 5 жыл бұрын

We recently filmed a Springfield NM M14 on our Practical Accuracy range! That op-rod sure has a twang to it every shot you take!

@sorenottomybuddy 3 жыл бұрын

@@9HoleReviews Op rod has a 'twang'? Grease the op rod guide rod inside the spring you're hearing and you'll hear no 'twang'. Your review was alright, but I can't stand reviews that pretend to be impartial, and then shit all over the thing they obviously have a set against. I'm not saying technology hasn't evolved, and that the 110 isn't better even, I'm saying I think you maybe don't know as much about the m1a/m14/m21 as you may think if your rifle is making creaking/twanging/scraping noises. It's like a discovery channel documentary... entertaining for those who don't know, and slightly annoying and lacking in backround info (how the rifle was maintenanced) for those interested to actually learn something.

@sorenottomybuddy 3 жыл бұрын

I enjoy the platform myself Marcus; a few minor tweaks and I turned mine into a scout rifle. I'm not trying to hit 1000 yards with a Socom, but you can hit 500 or less, at will, fairly rapidly. As it sits my rifle is just a shade under 10lbs, and the last time I shot it to 'failure' (any failure), it went 900+ rounds without issue. Grease in the correct places makes it feel like butter, and SE muzzle brake brings the recoil down to 2-3x that of a .223 out of a 16in .308...dreams can come true 🤣

@m7silvestri 5 жыл бұрын

1st, the M14 system will never go away. There is a significant flaw in the system with a heated barrel but this system will not go away. Future budget cuts will most likely force the military back to the system. The M39 EMR (USMC modernized version of the M21) cost $4,000 compared to the SR-25/M110 $12,000. Then the M110A1 will only go in price. Shorter barrel length will only make the rifle less accurate at longer ranges, which the Army says that they need help with. Funny that the USMC never complains about that. I also find that the M14 system is more reliable than the M110 system, especially when the suppressor is mounted and all of the gases blow back into the bolt carrier group. The M110 is based off of the AR system. I do not know enough about the M110A1 piston system yet but I am sure that it will be more reliable than the direct gas system but will probably have grouping shifts with a heated barrel. No means that I am saying that the M110 or the M110A1 are bad rifles because that will be a complete lie if I say so. I am just saying that M14 system is a cost effective system.

@225degrees 4 жыл бұрын

The M14 is cost effective because the rifles have already been paid for and are stock piled. It is a very outdated system and was replaced long ago for good reason.

@225degrees 4 жыл бұрын

@Luke Z - Again, because they are already in inventory and have already been reworked for DMR roles. They're leftovers, for dinner, not a gourmet meal.

@bradleyweiss1089 4 жыл бұрын

225degrees Replaced by what? The M16? That’s why they’re reissued. M16/M4 is lacking. And they are already passing over the 110 for some reason. My guess environmental problems of dirt dust and sounds like salt and humidity are all factors from another comment I read.

@sierratechnicaladvisorygroup 5 жыл бұрын

Superb video. Content, narration, and production values rock. Bravo!

@evensteven8129 3 жыл бұрын

This was time very well spent. Phenomenal job on this video....👏🏻

@stugant220 5 жыл бұрын

I have an AR-10 and MK-14 EBR and M1A Supermatch. I don't have the point of impact shift issue with any of my M1A platforms. The front end can be accurrized by unitizing the gas block. All guns have pros and cons. Personally, I like both platforms but I think the AR-10 platform is less fussy about getting good results. It's easier to shoot with a scope IMO. But, for a all around "battle rifle" I think it's hard to beat an M1A platform. The open sights configuration has got to be one of the best available. So, it comes down to "philosophy of use". If you need a SASS rifle go with the SASS rifle, If you need a battle rifle, go with the M1A. I find it's hard to make up my mind sometimes and that's why I have both.

@9HoleReviews 5 жыл бұрын

This M21 was accurized by an AMU warrant officer who used to do M21 conversions for the Army. The gas system has been unitized. We didn't observe the POI shift until we seriously heat stressed the system with a high volume of precision fire. On "slower" fire courses, we were able to achieve sub MOA accuracy with it. That being said, not many people in the civilian world need to push that type of volume of fire down range, but the M14 systems are immensely more expensive to accurize.

@Shooter7point62 5 жыл бұрын

Nutnfancy goober alert. Wonder if he passed a gear check lately?

@immikeurnot 5 жыл бұрын

The M14 isn't even a good battle rifle. Fuck sake, the M16A1 has the same effective range as the M14, the M16A2's effective range is 100m past that, and even the M4's point target range beats the M14 by 50m.

@q-man762 5 жыл бұрын

@@immikeurnot funny,? afganistan vets report that the enemy learned to stay beyond the m16's range and the acquiring of M14 dmr gave them the extra range to engage and actually kill those that were hit. I suspect the armorer goofed on the bedding job in the rifle used which caused the zero shift. Thousands of m14 shooters have competed at 600 yds and scored well 20 shots in 20 minutes or less (no zero shifts) The claims based on the above M14 don't match up to records over years. The M110 wins because they can be basically just be assembled and not extensively match conditioned.

@ricomock2 5 жыл бұрын

@@q-man762 I doubt it's a issue with the work that was done to it. M14's are just notoriously finicky when it comes to accuracy. Their issues are enough that even in service rifle competitions against 5.56 M16 pattern AR15's, the M14 cannot reliably maintain the accuracy to be competitive except for in M1/M14 specific matches/classes

@justinn4655 5 жыл бұрын

You should do a 30-40 krag or a springfield trapdoor.

@rickeco4tango33 4 жыл бұрын

As a designated marksman in 03/04 We never noticed the impact shift with the M14/21 in rapid fire🤔 We did have reliability issues with the M25 in the early days, it did not like, the sand and really liked to be clean! To be fair I do not recall the sand cuts and duel extractor pins in the bolt carrier group!! 🤷‍♂️

@keenanwalker6597 5 жыл бұрын

I have been anxiously waiting for this video since they announced it a couple days ago lol I wanted to watch it so bad.

@googlepissoff5776 4 жыл бұрын

I figure this is a good place to ask this, I’m fairly confused as to why they replaced this with a weird 417 derivative that is heavier, and extremely expensive for what it offers over the KAC version. Are they planning on running them suppressed? It seems like the military has a stupid amount of different DMR and Sniper rifles in service

@reefread1234 Жыл бұрын

our US military is all about the politics they arent logical and throughout history you read of constant bullheadedness they must think war will be in europe because why have contracts for foreign expensive parts

@lisar3006 5 жыл бұрын

S&W M&P 10 shoots better out of the box then my M1A. I saw an M&P 10 with a mid range scope on it shoot a better group a 200 meters than another high dollar rifle (M1A) with a $1.500.00 scope. I fired the M&P 10 and I want one now. Most of the M&P rifles seem to have a nice factory trigger.

@9HoleReviews 5 жыл бұрын

You know, for their asking price, the M&P is a solid choice.

@lisar3006 5 жыл бұрын

@@9HoleReviews Yes they are I was some what bothered by how well M&P platforms shoots out of the box since I spent a lot of cash on some of my builds that shoot no better then an M&P.

@lisar3006 5 жыл бұрын

@Kitty Animz Yes and for the price of the M&P platform you can afford a nice scope and a lot of ammo to go with it.

@lisar3006 5 жыл бұрын

@Kitty Animz Nutnfancy had a video up with the S&W 10 if I recall and it was doing good work.

@neoconshooter 2 жыл бұрын

My M-21 had a built in back-flow suppresser on it! It was about 12-15" long and 2-2.5" OD. Approximately, as this was at least 41 years ago. Also, I never noticed the POI shift you mention, but the vast majority of my work was under 400 Meters. Also I was using the M-80 Ball ammo because of it's flatter short range trajectory and absolutely devastating effect!

@drexelking8792 4 жыл бұрын

Great production, very informative. Good editing. Thanks.

@Mrgunsngear 5 жыл бұрын

great video

@mattlord2906 3 жыл бұрын

I am in Slovakia and going to shoot Stribog A3s meaning short. I guess the police use a similar gun from Stribog.

@ditzydoo4378 4 жыл бұрын

The move away from the M-21 to the M-110 was a well informed one. I have built and re-built M-21's for the 2/75 Ranger in 1984/86 at Fort Lewis Washington. While they were adequate for there time they we extremely labor intensive to build and maintain. When Knights industry with Stoner introduced the SR-25, I for one breathed a sigh of relief. The SR-25 was and still is superior in every way measurable. The ease with which they are built and maintained, not to mention the far lower total cost. This fact sets in stark contrast to the older M-21's they replaced.

@jrregan 5 жыл бұрын

Good job. Very clear how the heat load builds and effects the base system on the sniper rifles. Not my area, but similar in my "younger" days of the tech/computer field. Cool :) to see how similarity of systems at the "meta" level effect in a similar way, as heat build effected many systems I had to review/repair/troubleshoot in the electronics world.

@ed5042 5 жыл бұрын

I thought I was aware of all the problems with the M14/m21, you just enlightened me, thanks

@9HoleReviews 5 жыл бұрын

We didn't realize how apparent these issues were until we truly pushed the rifles on paper.

@missouriaviator8871 5 жыл бұрын

Holy mother of dip @8:00

@beardoggin8963 5 жыл бұрын

MissouriAviator lol glad I’m not the only one to notice that. He was lookin like Carl Childers with that hog of a dip in!

@9HoleReviews 5 жыл бұрын

Worlds most enthusiastic PFC.

@UnspokenBurdens 5 жыл бұрын

@@9HoleReviews I was just about to say, these privates live off Cope and monster

@fox111qc 5 жыл бұрын

@@beardoggin8963 OMG that's nothing. You should see my friend's horse shoe dip. He's got almost half a puck in.

@anawood3338 4 жыл бұрын

I would take an M14 over the AR10 any day, because I've been shooting M1/A's style rifles since I was 9-10 years old, but the SR25 is definitely a more adaptable platform, lighter, and more ergonomic for sure, and overall it is better, but years of shooting M1 Style Rifles, I'm just more comfortable, and confident with them. SR25 is definitely better though, but not enough trigger time behind one to become accustomed to it like I am with the M14/1A. Also entry into the SR25 is much more expensive then a standard M1A, so it will be awhile before my poorer ass can make the switch lol!

@Not-a-bot222 4 жыл бұрын

AnaWood what if you got the SR25 style and got some trigger time and became more confident in a new weapon. You don’t have to give up the M1 but you could maybe learn to love another manual of arms

@Anonymous-ow6jz 2 жыл бұрын

I couldn't decide... so I just bought BOTH!

@Lorenzo-fw3gx 3 жыл бұрын

Great video! Very informative and interesting. You guys do top notch reviews!

@Flu_Tang_Clan 2 жыл бұрын

This was one of the best reviews I've seen. Great stuff.

@the_redneck_mafia6207 5 жыл бұрын

I NEED THIS GUN IN MY LIFE

@basky7296 5 жыл бұрын

i love these videos please keep it up.

@9HoleReviews 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@RabbitusMaximus Жыл бұрын

Henry, fantastic and extremely professional review by a fantastic and professional marksman. This level of true expertise from practical life experience is why I subscribe and watch.

@michaelmoody3737 3 жыл бұрын

That integrated picrail backup sight isn't getting enough love. That is a brilliant design.

@taswarrubayet9086 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Between this 3 rifel my choice is m21.

@tylerwhite9923 4 жыл бұрын

And a kitted-out AR-10 is probably cheaper than the same M1A for a civ-legal mock-up

@infidel66687 4 жыл бұрын

I got a LaRue 7.62vUU kit. For about $1500 you can get a complete LaRue that is sub MOA all day. It's the best deal in firearms if you want a M110 or SR25 pattern AR10.

@derekkt49 5 жыл бұрын

Best video yet. The data collected in this video is impeccable.

@tombakabones274 2 жыл бұрын

I take either one of them if you were to give them to me but being old school and nostalgic there will always be a special place in my heart for the m21 😁

@cyborg2048 5 жыл бұрын

The M21 served us well in Iraq and the M110 was raved about when first fielded for the accuracy but wasn't an improvement in reliability unfortunately, the M21 is a workhorse and just like a stripper in the dark was sexy despite its flaws.

@Vincent-S 5 жыл бұрын

I feel like a lot of the disappointment and vitriol about accurized m14/m1a rifles (or really the m14 in general) come from trying to shove it into positions it wasn't really meant for, like sniping and automatic fire. Keep it as an infantry rifle like an M1 or at most a dmr and it's a good rifle, just marred by it's past with all the wrangling, early QC issues, lies, politics and under the table money exchanges. That said, T25 > T44 in terms of weight and design considerations. A scaled down, mini-14 sized version would be a nice bit of competition to Ruger's tiny-14.

@grunt1807 5 жыл бұрын

The shift change from heated barrels and cold bore shots was known in the late 80ies when I went through sniper school. I didn't know better at the time, plus the cool factor of carrying the M21 upped one's badassness! and cool factor. Looking back I remember all the problems we had with it and there was a lot! That's why I built an AR10 for my personal sniper rifle instead of buying an M1A.

@BenTheThird 5 жыл бұрын

Wow. Excellent review. Thanks for the work.

@MrHeavy466 5 жыл бұрын

Very good comparison, if a bit predictable. The M21 is a modified battle rifle whereas the M110 is a dedicated DMR built for the ground up for that role: one is stretching a design and the other is doing what it was designed for. What I want to know is why shift away from the M110? Is it because it is too large or is it a performance issue? The suppressor does make it look cumbersome, but, I don’t see an issue grand enough to switch over to a brand new rifle.

@9HoleReviews 5 жыл бұрын

MrHeavy466 we’ll do more research, but I’ve always viewed the M21 as a stopgap

@mr.c.3760 5 жыл бұрын

maybe something to do with having the piston system...we know the U.S. military loves a good piston system- hk416, scar variants, etc. have already or are in the process of being phased in

@130shooter1 5 жыл бұрын

From what friends with experience behind the m110 tell me, the M110 is more accurate than the G28. Maybe it is the length and maneuverability.

@appliedperformance773 5 жыл бұрын

The military is always looking for hardware solutions to software problems. A 10% better rifle won’t get 10% better results.

@simon_96 5 жыл бұрын

Because hk win the trials which is tailored for the sr25k lol

@ryanfreeman125 4 жыл бұрын

3:58 when you've been shooting nothing but bolt guns

@rndss1 4 жыл бұрын

He was flicking the safety back on

@michaelolin2219 5 жыл бұрын

Great review! I was skeptical until you shot in considerable wind, and I was talking to my wife about shooter error, wind etc right when you made the comment. Earned mu sub, keep the quality coming.

@9HoleReviews 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! The wind that day was unreal, easily one of the windiest days we've shot out there.

@michaelolin2219 5 жыл бұрын

@@9HoleReviews but you kept hitting the steel. I'm enjoying more of your videos as I'm typing this. Thought the Remington 700 would have done better, but you're the real deal. Thanks again for these.

@patrickvennard838 3 жыл бұрын

H&K 417 is a good choice, here in the UK 🇬🇧 The LMT 7.62mm DMR L129A! was bought rather than just trying to covert the L1A1 SLR FN/Fal when we realised 5.56 was not up to the job. I do love the look of the M14 and I am glad they saw service again.

@add5966 5 жыл бұрын

@1:19 oh don't mind me, just gonna flag everyone to the left of me.

@808INFantry11X 5 жыл бұрын

Well the mag was not inserted and the bolt was probably locked to rear so his safety would be able to verify clear and safe.

@808INFantry11X 5 жыл бұрын

Well the mag was not inserted and the bolt was more then likely locked to the rear. Sure most ranges require you to orient the weapon down range but I think he might have gotten a pass from his safety.

@joshuas390 4 жыл бұрын

@JKay11235 a firearm is not always loaded... if it was id never be able to disassemble it, clean it, transport it across certain state line, or whatever. The only reason a firearm is "always loaded" is because you dont have enough training to positively verify that the weapon isnt loaded. :) stop being an operator wannabe.

@cctrans29 4 жыл бұрын

Holy crap.

@patliao556 4 жыл бұрын

@@joshuas390 The man in the video is a professional, he should know better. It's not about being an operator wannabe, it's about not getting DQ'd on qual day because you flagged the firing line like a boot.

@mikeyob4271 5 жыл бұрын

👍 good information. Both good rifles.time will tell about the h&k.in a combat zone,sand box,i would have to go with the m21. MORE RELIABLE .thanks good video i enjoyed it.

@rosiekatze 5 жыл бұрын

german units (including special forces) have been using it for many years in afghanistan and such, hasnt seemed to of been any major issue coming out from it.. and from what i have heard about finnish snipers and marksmen who are using the MR308 (largely what the g28 is) in various competitions like finnsniper, it will play in the sandy dirt just fine

@dudeguy8287 5 жыл бұрын

M14 platforms are less reliable than DI AR platforms

@jesseterrell9354 5 жыл бұрын

Ha more reliable that’s got to be a joke

@dudeguy8287 5 жыл бұрын

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@georgebach9530 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent work guys ! Very well presented and informative video ! Really professional work !

@Freednuggets 3 жыл бұрын

Slide locked w/ empty mag in a holster. I kinda like that. Thanks for the video!

@feraligatorade99 4 жыл бұрын

For the low low price of $10K+

@albundy6008 4 жыл бұрын

"I don't want no teenage queen, I just want my M-14!"

@SWEmanque 5 жыл бұрын

Heat treatment of the barrel may be what is behind the stringing of the M14. Unless you properly remove the stresses from the barrel it will bend when heated, when it cools down it will return to its normal state.

@yellowmanusa 5 жыл бұрын

I have one and updated the trigger from KAC's 2-stage, to a AR Gold trigger. Also have the suppressor. You can see one of my videos with me shooting it. I've actually updated a lot on it. I don't like the standard stock, for instance, so went with an adjustable stock. I also handload for it with great success. Mark 6 with Tremr 3 reticle to boot.