Kailash Nadh, CTO Zerodha, on the paradox of A.I.

Kailash Nadh, CTO Zerodha, on the paradox of A.I. | CRED curious with Kunal Shah

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Күн бұрын

“If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe”-Carl Sagan
If this conversation could be summed up with one quote, this would be it.
Kailash Nadh, CTO of ‪@zerodhaonline‬ joins Kunal in a discussion about the future of humanity: everything from A.I.’s inevitable impact, why choosing to have kids is a philosophical conundrum, why life goals are irrelevant in a universe that prefers chance, and more.
Viewing Advisory: Side-effects might include an existential crisis or a deepened passion for changing the world.
Chapters
00:00 - Start
01:55 - Introductions and breaking the ice.
06:58 - Why is A.I. exponentially different this time?
10:15 - Impact of A.I. on jobs
18:10 - What does the next 10 years hold for A.I.?
23:00 - Economic changes with A.I.
28:08 - Can you make an LLM with $100B?
30:53 - Evolution of work and jobs in the coming 10 years
32:03 - How will India evolve with A.I.?
39:40 - Will A.I. affect software companies?
44:37 - How will A.I. change content?
51:00 - 3 decisions as the CTO of India
59:00 - What would Kailash tweak in society or history to better humanity?
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@gemsfactz Жыл бұрын

😂 I was checking my phone whether my music is on😂😂😂😂😂😂

@sbsauhardbatra132 11 ай бұрын

human intelligence at peak 😂

@bharathmshetty Жыл бұрын

I don't know why but after Kunal's talk with Kailash, I feel Kunal is a very psudeo intelluctual person. Nothing in there, just reasoning and over generalizing nonsense. Kailsash' way of looking things is very different than normal individuals, that way of looking at the globalization and paying back nature is an amazing POV I have never heard before.

@sanket______ Жыл бұрын

true he is all filled with the marketing and the concept of repackaging and selling things and not actually building things with his original ideas cause he just cant think and deceive others by shaking his hands that he is thinking

@sumankumar01 11 ай бұрын

Lots of judgement in comment section. Both gentleman are intelligent and distinguished human beings. Let’s respect it and enjoy the beautiful conversation.

@pandyapritesh2000 11 ай бұрын

Not like that.... But it's like what kind of role you are in, Kunal is generalist as an entrepreneur his job is or he is now subconsciously trained his brain to look at the subject from a larger point of view at the same time Kailash 's Job required to be able to dive deep and get to the bottom of the things in order to create or automat or even to innovate

@silversurfer1967 10 ай бұрын

I have been starting to feel the same way lately. he generalizes a lot of things and then you don't seem to have a concluding answer to any of his arguments.

@samhaokip9126 Жыл бұрын

Dr. K is a rare one. He's the reason why Zerodha is a billion dollar business, and the best part is that Nithin Kamath has the wisdom and humility to give him free reign with his ideas. They were a match made in heaven.

@devmrin Жыл бұрын

Kailash you're easily one of the easiest person to listen to and reason with. Thanks again for sharing your brain-trust with us. 🙌

@ankitsarchives Жыл бұрын

Yeah! Totally agree, nikhil and Nithin and kailash shows how zerodha is really deserving company

@mallukittens177 Жыл бұрын

Are you serious dude ? I feels like he is making everything too much philosophical and its so cringe.

@sagarjaiswal402 Жыл бұрын

Never seen someone diss Kunal like Kailash did in the most humbling & modest way possible. An art to offend a little & still get away with it is something we should pick from Kailash. Loved his POVs & rebuttals on quesitions that were thrown at him spontaneously. Nailed it! ❤💯🔥

@shashankprasad6403 Жыл бұрын

Kailash avoided every question by finding a fault in the formulation of the question. I agree that Kunal's questions were not perfect, but they were intended to steer the conversation in a certain way, and Kailash's responses did not let the conversation get interesting. Overall this was a poor discussion. 2 questions that Kunal should have asked: 1. How does Zerodha and Cred plan to use AI to improve currently relevant functions. Concrete examples. Are there things that will be possible now in the tech stack that was not previously possible.. 2. AI so far has been an expedition to mimic things people can do, just faster and at scale. Will it ever be able to do something that humans cannot do ? Or are not good at doing ?

@vancedadder 11 ай бұрын

@@shashankprasad6403so I was gonna react to your question a certain way but choosing to give another answer, in accordance with Kailash's different approach. Most (not all) of Kunal's questions were either sensational or akin to what the media already keeps circulating. Kailash's approach was, as is his philosophy, more measured at the onset. It's basically a First Principles approach of removing all redundancies and boiling things down to their fundamental(irrefutable concepts) and then reasoning up from there. What this ensures is getting clear of most biases, looking at things for what it is and with sound logic inferring the next step to be taken without jumping to any conclusions or committing intellectual dishonesty. Hope this helps!

@shashankprasad6403 11 ай бұрын

@@vancedadder First principles approach is very commonplace approach in the tech world. I agree that Kailash was boiling things down to absolute fundamentals/building block. AI is over-exaggerated by media as you point out too. Hence as a listener, my expectations from this group, was that they focus on how the power of machine learning can be harnessed to do meaningful impact to their products/businesses. Most people in the world are using AI today for gimmicky projects, which will fade away soon with time. Hence the two questions I posted. (Overly playing devil's advocate, results in noise and has a negative impact, not letting the conversation/discussion/initiative proceed in a direction. Either ways, it is pointless discussing the style of this discussion. It's over. Move on.)

@carboncapitalist-climateec9944 9 ай бұрын

After listening to him, all I can say is 'Philosophy is not dead'. It a luxury that only people who deal with complexity gets to enjoy to resolve their wits & live a peaceful life.

@akashpandey1215 Жыл бұрын

Kailash is so down to earth ❤️

@ankitsarchives Жыл бұрын

I guess everyone from zerodha are too kind and humble

@zyx7955 Жыл бұрын

💯

@devakinandan23 Жыл бұрын

i guess you follow twitter

@aination7302 Жыл бұрын

His outlook on redefining the economic growth and paying back to Mother Nature was just beautiful.❤

@teebone25 Жыл бұрын

Kailash is a real one....i remember reading a piece he wrote on powered by ai or something of that sort..very clear, no nonsense, real estimation of where most tech companies stand at the moment. He sort of reminds me of peter thiel for some reason!

@premanshudey Жыл бұрын

This person is fucking genius. Breaking down ever question to it's most basics and thinking from first principles to answer it.

@stockbro1997 Жыл бұрын

Conversations like this happen only bangalore. While Bombay and Hyderabad is busy talking about Bollywood and Telugu films

@manish___kumar 4 ай бұрын

Agree 💯

@sagarladhwani4287 Жыл бұрын

When you do a podcast on AI, without using it for background noise removal 😅 Loved the conversation!

@sanket______ Жыл бұрын

all zerodha guys have great intellect and specifically they have that patience to better think and then talk

@soulemotionshorts Жыл бұрын

It is probably the first time that Kunal is putting so much thought to frame questions just to convince him to answer it.

@ggtube2 Жыл бұрын

Kailash, such an original thinker. Rare in today's AI age

@jayribagchi2182 Жыл бұрын

Thankyouu so much for this conversation!

@rohanagarad 9 ай бұрын

This is a gem. Thought provoking and also interesting to see how these people think!

@cheers2life87 Жыл бұрын

The way this guest speaks, he is without doubt a genious

@silentkiller4091 Жыл бұрын

I was depressed before watching this. Now I'm suicidal. BTW I found Dr. K's logic of not having kids ridiculous for the simple fact that he might as well be robbing this world of one new brain that could have contributed to solving the climate crisis. Just because we can't figure it out doesn't mean our future generations won't be able to either.

@nagarajpn9279 Жыл бұрын

What are the odds that his one kid would do what a billion others haven’t? Sometimes you do need to be a realist

@messpice Жыл бұрын

Time stamp?

@silentkiller4091 Жыл бұрын

@@nagarajpn9279 if we were to go in this direction, why should I change my habits to sustainable living if billions other won't? That's anything but realist. As a matter of fact one person in a billion can change the course of world.

@silentkiller4091 Жыл бұрын

@@messpice 18:20

@achuthanb248 Жыл бұрын

Glad you said it. Adding to it, he is setting an ideal to the society that one must not have progeny. What is the nth order effect of that? Considering the demography he's catering to in this video (privileged as he mentioned), we will be deprived of only smart people while we will have an abundance of the alternate. Expected more.

@techentre Жыл бұрын

grt pod . pls fix the sound not the starting part but whole coz CRED is known for quality so make sure you don't hurt that. Waiting for more Sridhar Vembu Sir.

@divakar4339 Жыл бұрын

Excited 🎉

@SAI........... 8 ай бұрын

After a very long time i experianced the taste of "learning" thanks for the entire team

@mallukittens177 Жыл бұрын

I dont think kunal shah would ever talk to this dude again!

@Santawithwings 10 ай бұрын

Couldn't help thinking about Dunning Kruger effect during this very insightful conversation.

@VivekChandra007 2 күн бұрын

Dr. K should lead a trillion dollar company. So calm, clear in thoughts, great thinking, well read, amazing individual… He is a global level tech asset. Humanity is better with him in it.

@sahilhotchandani3668 Жыл бұрын

my god this wisdom this level of wisdom 😮‍💨🔝topped the chart

@DeepSukhwani Жыл бұрын

Thank you Kailash, Kunal and Cred Curious team. Insightful discussion with a lot of meaningful food for thought.

@ChetanPatil-tp9on Жыл бұрын

I use to think why nithin is such a big fan of k now I understand .

@abbayrai6340 Жыл бұрын

Awesome podcast , great to listen and gain knowledge from the best minds of the india and world . Thank you kunal and cred team ❤

@mallukittens177 Жыл бұрын

Well what have you learned from this 2 hour podcast then ?

@sahilhotchandani3668 Жыл бұрын

gosh the way kunal ended up by saying “societies should be status driven “ shook me off for a moment but when hé generalised the formula how wealth societies increases consumption makes sense but at the end he also sarcastically mentioned two fintech ppl are talking that wealth is not good..damnnit what to get out of it now😢😂❤

@anshulkupadhyay Жыл бұрын

None of the CTOs were ever my inspiration until I happen to know about Kailash Nadh

@SAI........... 8 ай бұрын

Extraordinary

@hussainlemonwala7358 Жыл бұрын

please add subtitles

@dikkibhaddas Жыл бұрын

Ironically this was a fun cred curious to listen to.❤

@nitc9242 Жыл бұрын

whats ironic about this?

@akashpandey1215 Жыл бұрын

We need more CTO s like him ✨✨✨✨✨✨

@vidhugovind582 Жыл бұрын

As tech is becoming more efficient we need more people in the bio side, like food production to make it climate friendly... I hope talent people will flowing to solve prbs related to biology.

@FabulousGOD Жыл бұрын

bro got that mr. robot vibe

@ShashankAdhikari Жыл бұрын

Kailash answered amazingly to the Kunal’s sometimes stupid questions and perspective.

@_sudipidus_ 3 ай бұрын

For anyone who found the last answer interesting (about how we should define growth) I highly recommend this book called the third curve by mansoor Ali khan This conversation was intriguing (often awkward too, it could have been a much engaging conversation, it felt like Kailash was forced to have this conversation and Kunal couldn’t steer the conversation towards less awkwardness)

@pankajjagtapp Жыл бұрын

The conversation is awesome.

@paranoid8279 Жыл бұрын

how to get access to be in live interview anyone help me

@upotti 11 ай бұрын

Presenting to the 8bilion population,that's the secret..you will reach more than you ever think ,thanks to the infrastructure and the great connectivity we have in India 😊 the greatness is yet unfold ..

@HSBTechYT Жыл бұрын

What is that song in the background

@HSBTechYT Жыл бұрын

Oh wait it's from the phone 🥲😂

@prakhargupta2113 Жыл бұрын

the music thing happens with me too😂😂😂

@gokul1255 Жыл бұрын

With respect to AI for content, I think both Kailash and Kunal's views could happen, just at different timeframes on a S curve. Kunal's view at the peak of it and Kailash's view tending towards the end of the cycle.

@kushagramehrotra1213 11 ай бұрын

Most of us are generally not well read. It's not only the history. That's the reason we struggle to make sense of things that are going on. We do not need more engineers and MBAs now. We need well- read people, storytellers, philosophers and their kind.

@neru4557 Жыл бұрын

That view of DR K about climate change totally changed my perspective...

@shuvranshuhalder6623 Жыл бұрын

Kuch samajh nahi aya....but sunke a66a laga 🙂

@sureshthangavel7519 Жыл бұрын

Can anyone describe what does LLM means?

@XYZ-vu1it 11 ай бұрын

This video showed how less we know about technology, history and earth

@akashsolanki4955 Жыл бұрын

How can we get invited to these talks?

@eppeey Жыл бұрын

🔥

@Saryupareen Жыл бұрын

who want kunal shah with nikhil kamath

@shreyasugemuge3457 Жыл бұрын

Dr K is the absolute best! such brains with that personality, they dont make em like him anymore

@mallukittens177 Жыл бұрын

Hey maybe actually brilliant but the talk he gave in this podcast is absolutely cringe worthy. I mean I don't think anyone can bare him when he say things like he needs to go back to cellular level to say when he met nithin. 🤢🤮

@krishnaashrith4792 Жыл бұрын

Dr. K is just 🔥

@bemadamigos6622 Жыл бұрын

The only problem I have with this video is that this has a negative vibe to it. They are talking like it's hopeless to think about the future. This should be a moment to rejoice and celebrate. Humanity now has THE BEST tool it has ever made and how EASY it's going to be solving our gigantic issues. Climate change, poverty, diseases, you name it. Leaders should inspire the f out of this coming generation, we will be the ones that create our paradise. Our only limit are the laws of physics.

@mohitmanna7308 Жыл бұрын

There is noise in BG

@jongalt007 9 ай бұрын

50% credit to Kailash for making Zerodha 12bn$ startup [ Intrinsic valuation.. ] Great guy.

@bawasimp Жыл бұрын

Need better audio

@balakumarann Жыл бұрын

I thought the interview went well until Kunal Shah asked Kailash "What kind of music do you listen to?"😂

@gdsharman Жыл бұрын

AI NLM technology can change the human society

@ISanjeev_kumar Жыл бұрын

Feedback: There is some background noise which should have been removed before uploading here

@ankkkitkumar Жыл бұрын

Video no.84

@Searchforfulltruth911 11 ай бұрын

This episode is underrated

@Searchforfulltruth911 11 ай бұрын

I love you ❤

@Searchforfulltruth911 11 ай бұрын

I love you too bro❤❤

@Candleswithkk 11 ай бұрын

@@Searchforfulltruth911 😐

@Searchforfulltruth911 10 ай бұрын

Wtf is this comment

@akashbansal6216 9 ай бұрын

I disagree with the last thing that we should be in a status driven society not wealth driven. I believe that we should be in a wealth-driven society not status driven because wealth is a positive-sum game but status is always a zero-sum game so in the long run it wouldn't make any sense...

@h9gamerzvlogs80 3 ай бұрын

K shah also believed in that few years ago Check out his beerbiceps pod

@rounakdatta3225 Жыл бұрын

Light lofi music going on in background 😌

@rounakdatta3225 Жыл бұрын

Edit: nvm

@deepakgehlot8204 Жыл бұрын

Kailash is the modern Buddha

@nanotech7 Жыл бұрын

I think human can be more creative after AI take everything. Let say In Ancient Times the first time draw pictures using stone . Now after so many regressive year , we found color ,then paper canvas after more evolution! Now we have more color in smaller set i.e we all do in childhood! Now in software! Now the q is this is the end or there is more to evolve! If it going to end , then it is going to be part of some other bigger thing in other field! I think we are compiling more and more May be we can create our own Universe, where people live .i.e we are( hypothetical ans😅)

@ankitsarchives Жыл бұрын

Hey Kunal, if you are reading this comment I'm a big fan of yours. I really admire your business and ideas. Thank -you for these video. Please try to make podcast with nikhil kamath if possible!

@mandarsalunkhe09 Жыл бұрын

💯

@techentre Жыл бұрын

bana diya he bhai pehle hi

@mandarsalunkhe09 Жыл бұрын

@@techentre wo Nitin Kamath ke sath tha, Nikhil ke sath nahi bhai

@techentre Жыл бұрын

@@mandarsalunkhe09 oops dhyan se pada nahi

@mandarsalunkhe09 Жыл бұрын

@@techentre 👍🏻🤗

@Retrosputter Жыл бұрын

somebody just made a cred payment in between

@ujjwalprakash3170 Жыл бұрын

The only thing i learnt was they dont like each other

@akashpandey1215 Жыл бұрын

By 2030 indian startups will be bang bang 🇮🇳🇮🇳

@imaginarynostalgia2134 Жыл бұрын

Last of Us 2050 Opening Sequence

@lucrativeibc3837 Жыл бұрын

Beyoncé helo is going in background 😅

@jatinsw1128 Жыл бұрын

a bit disappointed with Kailash! His rejecting to speak on views on AI and India was a put down so to say. He could have given his "personal opinion" not that we wanted him to be correct 100%.

@ChristianMusicHindi Жыл бұрын

I am addicted to checking phone but not addicted to opening laptop.

@PrateekMundra 9 ай бұрын

mic use Karlo

@lobo-92 Жыл бұрын

Great performance by Beyonce.!

@Santosh-xk2qi Жыл бұрын

Annoying music in the beginning

@adityasharma5106 Жыл бұрын

he is the most intelluctual sounding person i have ever heard. the guy has insane iq rizz

@sanoopmail Жыл бұрын

some disturbance in audio background

@sanoopmail Жыл бұрын

hahahaha so funny

@brijeshthakrar2106 Жыл бұрын

But is it not true that even today, when we know the repercussions of the competing which we are doing on the planet. We are not taking steps, and who knows what happens in the future because of this ignorance. Like the day when you started company, you didn't imagine that one day a computer sitting somewhere on the earth would do a job which was supposed to get done by a human. Like the damage on the earth is increased (human damage + computing damage) So, imo it's the nature of technology and unpredictability that makes it difficult to foresight the future and plan accordingly.

@narutokunn 10 ай бұрын

I am gonna use that single-cellular organism joke.

@themaninthehood9201 10 ай бұрын

Noise in bgm is so annoying !

@Danny-mt5os Жыл бұрын

I can see your halo halo halo 😂 Enjoyed the song by beyonce

@karasalon3785 11 ай бұрын

yeh @cred company chala raha hai ya youtube channel.

@Dinesh-jj3ln Жыл бұрын

while I like these interactions, sometimes Kunal Shah tries too hard to sound philosophical and smart They have put in the description - listen only if u have deep passion for changing the world. I mean dude get off your high horse. You’re running CRED! You ain’t changing anything

@NitinSingh-ll3pd Жыл бұрын

- hey kunal big fan of yours, not the celebrity type but yeah if I saw you I will scream, Hey kunal here Nitin big fan of yours - I have a name for your next CRED CURIOUS epusode - I love to see you and Achaya Prashant talk - because you both have a very different view point but what are looking I think is same or It looks to me same -

@rishabh4428 Жыл бұрын

Cred never invites cheap and mean hypocrites like that pareshan atma and self proclaimed acharya

@NitinSingh-ll3pd Жыл бұрын

@@rishabh4428 no brother, I am just curious to know what kunal and Prashant talk about life, work, climat change, love, companionship, building new things but at the cost of our planet earth - that's why I requested it - If you want him call Prashant I am cool with it ...........I am not any BHAKT or whatever you called - but the points he talks on is spot on, according to me............... - but the things he talks in a completely logical way is mind-blowing

@rishabh4428 Жыл бұрын

@@NitinSingh-ll3pd Being logical is not what matters but the intent and hidden motive of the so called acharya is something you must look into.. When there is a difference in what one says and what ones does, this is a pure sign of something wrong. Acharya is doing completely opposite to what he is saying and even then if we do not rise to spot the truth, it's only us to blame and not that self proclaimed acharya. Rise mate...you have been brainwashed. Please note these qualities alone do not matter much: - Being logical - speaking politely - Having a huge following - Giving interviews(might be funded) Etc But this truly matters: - What he says, he does i.e. he does not build a fake image - Has the power to question himself/herself. - Truely Empower his fellow people Acharya's time is short lived and a dark web self created by himself awaits him to be imprisoned🙇‍♂️

@Searchforfulltruth911 11 ай бұрын

@@rishabh4428you look like a typical atheist leftist who just assumes every religious man is hypocrite without giving any reson why.

@niravbharadiya2901 Жыл бұрын

Kunal Shah totally making a fool of himself in front of Kailash. Kailash Nadh, the legend.

@aryapranav Жыл бұрын

kunal coudn't beat varun in being DOOMER. varun has made me somewhat accepting of fatalistic.

@dub161 Жыл бұрын

do he really knows underlying architecture of these modern AIs he seems more like NAAPTOL guy of AI products to me.

@sudharshaniyengar1587 Жыл бұрын

@@dub161 I double agree

@sahilhotchandani3668 Жыл бұрын

@@dub161wtf naptol🤣bhai what an eerie comparison but cant deny it too funny to be true

@NitinSingh-ll3pd Жыл бұрын

- Hey kunal sir, if on the next episode of cred curious you will invite Acharya Prashant Ji that would be an awesome episode.......

@rishabh4428 Жыл бұрын

Pakhandi baba ki jai🎉

@modx7075 8 ай бұрын

But the interesting questions is, How Kailash didn't realize about Beyonce😂😂

@pthegreat1104 Жыл бұрын

kya time choose kia he mene paida honeka

@howvinod 9 ай бұрын

Kunal feels like something he needs to find out. VERY IMPULSIVE!

@furkhaan2304 11 ай бұрын

Kailash looks like Kamal from Iqbal movie. (Hit like if you think the same)

@sagarchauhan389 Жыл бұрын

Why are we not able to pay back to nature ??

@shivamanand4334 Жыл бұрын

Edgy answers tbvh

@krickfans Жыл бұрын

Nice to know that even these high IQ guys like Beyonce 😅

@chatterjeetanmay Жыл бұрын

Kunal is a very poor orchestrator of podcasts. He clearly can't keep the conversation alive and just keeps banging one question after another like textbook.

@nitc9242 Жыл бұрын

I don't think its a podcast. Its an interview.

@SAGE-cf6jf Жыл бұрын

Wtf background music Everytime i open this video,i clause it within minutes.😂