While the gf debuff is just a joke (afaik) Leo is on some honeymoon phase stuff rn🤣

People handle relationships differently. But its a fact since he has had a relationship his results have dropped.

Big D has a family and a full time job

his dominance era is over but his SLUT era is just start lol kameme and shutton always stomps his ass tbh

He was probably a virgin until some months ago so he's living the "fuck twice a day, live like a zombie" phase 😅

As a Sora main from release, Maister’s Sora has always been cheeks. He doesn’t “get” the character. On top of that, he never even committed to making the Sora his main or a comain. 90% of the time his Sora was a last ditch effort in a best of 5. Sora isn’t a fundies character you can just pick up and find success with. Without a good advantage state that takes advantage of Sora’s up air juggling, idj combos, and platform extensions Sora is pretty underwhelming. His disadvantage state as a floaty can be tricky to get out off and a lot of rushdowns will obliterate you if you’re not mixing up your recovery routes above and off stage. Some zoners and swordies can also be terrible to deal with like Min Min and Aegis.

I agree, a lot of people just repeat what they read/hear. Imo Sora and Byleth are good mid-high tiers, but here they are played by fantastic players

Define “good.” Sora is probably top of high tier, MAYBE bottom of top tier, but sometimes when people say good they mean top 15

@@owenicewater9704I’m pretty sure he means that good = high tier. Sora is most definitely not a top tier.

@@nuabe8285 same with characters like Lucario

@@carldalord why not, he has basically everything you need.

Same lol

Kameme is only just finally starting to showcase Sora's potential. Sora has absurd touch-of-death combo game not too far behind Kazuya. Kazuya's combos are simply easier. Once Soras become better you will all want to play him.

@@TONyjustRoCks You mean ban him.

@@TONyjustRoCks Its not just Sora's combo game, his edge guards and ability to be in inconvenient angles like a flying character makes him good.

creo que leo regresará en el future. lo que sí es que no se si leo empeoro o si otros mejoraron

Good take Ronaldo lol

Man me podrías decir cuál es nombre de la canción de fondo de la primera batalla de este set la que comienza en el minuto 1:14

I don't think it's a character problem. Leo has like the gifted kid problem, beating everyone with no effort for so long, such that once people caught up to him he doesn't have that same improving momentum. He just needs to keep playing and keep at it.

I would say Joker in his time period just before Covid was just as much hype as his rising Byleth plays. But Joker since then got some detrimental nerfs to probably, his own incredible knowledge of the character. I just whish Sakurai would do one last Smash patch, nerf Steve, buff Joker a bit back.

Am I dreaming or are you implying that even when he loses with Byleth it's the fault of the Aegis? Lol

⁠@@vb5281 I think he’s saying that all the bad habits that Leo got from playing aegis (panic options) have carried over to his byleth

@@Scythra Wasn't Steve banned b/c he could get out of combos for free? Even without Steve you have Kazuya(zero-to-death combos), ROB(although he can get combo'd hard), Sonic(time you out), and Aegis...

"Great hands" only does 40% on first stock

You're saying that as if he didn't almost win that first game CU's he does 40% every time Sora touched Byleth with nair

oh god thank you, i was thinking the same, kameme played so good in this tourney, leo is pretty good but smash top players are improving too

Leo has gotten worse. He mashes more and isn't as methodical as he used to be.

@@theriddler5

​@@theriddler5he always did that his opponents are just punishing him for it more than they used to

I use right trigger for special moves and b Makes wave bouncing easier

マジか

I MEAN..melee players isn't even done....with the tier list..well duh

Tier list don’t matter at all. Only player does

Yoshi and Wii Fit Trainer mains basicly

Bro didn't watch the games

@@cooper1431 no, he’s got a point. That first game was actually close, but the. Kameme just outplayed Leo game 2. Him going Megaman was weird and gave Leo game 3 but games 4 and 5 were pretty much like game 2.

This was my thought exactly! Usually Leo adapts super well in a bo5, but upon watching this now a second time it felt like kameme outplayed him more and more throughout the set outside of the game kameme went megaman lol

@@zthizz13 Now I just think that Leo used to lose 3-0 when he loses but it´s he is able to convert a few interactions into kill that plus his mindset he used to reverse the situation most of the time but has been like this all the time just that now he has a character crisis and mindset too.

@@houstonwelch4253ps2 sucks for sora

Matchup charts is as biassed and as useless as tier lists.

People win against bad match-ups all of the time.

THe thing is matchup charts are dictated by what you know. If the best Sora you play is Maister, you'll base your understanding of the matchup on how what Maister does and what's possible. Then you go up against someone who is better with Sora and utilizes mixups on their combo routes and suddenly you're like "wait a sec, Sora's actually tough". It's like people being 100% Sora can't do anything against Sephiroth because Nakat always loses to Nairo, but like... Nakat loses to Nairo usually no matter what he plays.

@@christianokoye9491 You said “based on WHAT you know”, then proceeded to say a WHO as though Leo draws his MU knowledge straight from other people and not from how a character and archetype’s tools actually function in a match. A gun is a gun. A floaty is a floaty. A heavy is a heavy. A active hitboxes is a active hitboxes. What makes a pro consider other factors is when he starts seeing a character doing loops and stuff. You have a limited perspective on how a pro understands the game because you assume he is still learning it the same way you are. (Obviously they still learn a ton about characters from others who play them but there is a reason they can beat and play characters they never touched before)

@@sauce8277 nonsense, pro players change their opinions on matchups all the time and freely admit that they don't know matchups because they've never experienced them. To this day matchups in melee aren't necessarily solved because as new tech and new strategy develops, new variables matter. Recall when mkleo started playing byleth, every pro had an opinion on how Their character did against Byleth and then they got up b edgeguarded or killed at 50 or realized nair is hard to stop, and then their opinion of Byleth shifted.

Honestly, I think the Mega-Man was just a EVO 2019 shoutout from when they first fought.😄

He tried to do the Banham

I feel like it was to keep Leo from getting familiar with Sora’s floatiness. Threw him off the scent for a round.

​@@chia1jonYeah, since he won using Sora the 2nd Set, Leo would surely adapt to it, so choosing Megaman would be a good choice to prevent Leo from making adjustments against Sora, yet a little risky since it costed him a set, still congrats for Kameme for beating one of the most strongest players in Smash, showing what Sora can really do !

ステージが広かったからでしょう

I remember evo 2019 when kameme beat leo. At that time kameme was making a list of international players that kameme could beat and leo was on it.

@s Yeah he even said in a interview the day before he was worried about Kameme.

Kameme, Banham and Shuton regularly exchange notes on Leo’s midrange tactics as well as frequent conditioning techniques to look out for against him.

@@_k5291 that explain how mkleo loses twice on proto..

@@fupalover wonder how kameme looked at leo with big smile. ''mkleo scream internally''

I still go back and watch it at least once a month. Such a good set.

It’s because he pulled back/drifted back after the fair 1. Had he committed it would’ve connected. But it’s common (speaking as a sora main) to throw out fair one first to see if it connects incase it doesn’t so you can continue to trace, the downside is exactly what happened.

It being off stream may of had something to do with it

Who cares about losers

@@pikapower98 ah, that makes sense. thanks

Never say that

@@flclmmmful Let him cook

He's been the GOAT for years now though.

Voy a volver a mainear sora lo deje tirado y también deje tirado el juego pero esto es inspirador

That’s actually on the low end for Sora combos be can normally get like 40-80 of a combo lol. The problem is usually killing because Nair 1 - Nair 2 - upsmash only works at a specific percent so then you just gotta hope you hit like a stray back air/up air/kill with magic

44% in general is not a lot of damage in this meta

Optimal sora combos deal more damage, but I've yet to see it pulled off in a tournament setting. Theoretically you can 0 to death most of the cast except for floaties and characters with good escape options like Mythra Foresight or yoshi double jump

Meanwhile Kazuya casually taking you too 100% in one combo💀

Yup. That's the reason I don't believe in that "character crisis" bs. I think the problem is him, not his characters.

People adapted to Leo’s shield breaks, Leo can’t go for them because most people are very aware and conservative about their shield usage. You can see this especially with how Sparg0 used to play against Leo vs how he plays against him now. Barely sheild, gives time dor shield to regenerate, etc. I think Leo did fine, he nearly got it too just missed some conversions. Leo can still be the best Tho that Zomba set I have no idea how he lost that was a bit sus

I dunno. This just looked like MU inexperience to me. Leo was getting mashed on by Sora aerial combos and it looked like Leo had nothing for it. His spacing with fair and bair looked more off than his nair, considering there were several times Leo read a side B from Kameme trying to get back on to stage but mispaced his bair, which let Kameme get back for free. Leo can’t use Nair in neutral as much because Sora’s aerials beat it out. Leo was playing ass the last game but it looked more like he was uncomfortable in the MU.

leo stopped playing corny and gimmicky, he needs to go back to only trying to kill people at 50%

I thought yhe sane while watching. Bro is just a nair spam machine now

True but acola and spargo have never been consistently number one.

@@gianz2066 I think Spargo could be the king after Leo and Zero, the biggest obstacle for Acola would be Spargo.

@@_k5291 agreed, he could be number one. But it's still very hard. I don't think anyone every came close to Leo and zeros consistency. At the moment spargo beats acola mid diff. But spargo needs to watch out. Even though cloud wins the matchup against Steve, Steve still has soo much more tricks under his sleeve that we haven't seen acola use yet. I feel like acola will make a scary come back.

@@gianz2066 Yeah but we are talking about right now, Leo is the GOAT but he's not the best player atm, i don't even think he's second

@@illford I know, im talking about right now that neither acola or spargo have shown that insane Leo consistency at the number one spot. They might get there, but we will have to see how the season progresses. I can still see Leo taking games of spargo or sending him to losers. Also right now I feel like leo is in an era where he cares more about having fun than winning a tournament. You can see it in the characters he picks, their not his best characters but he is having fun with them

Tighter than me

it's not that difficult, it just takes practice.

Get W O B B L E D

It's much better than his Aegis. But he's still shooting himself in the foot by not playing Joker.

Byleth isn't the problem. Leo just got outplayed. Back to the grind, heh.

@@isaacnikolic5895 For real why is he so committed to trying to make Aegis work.

@@isaacnikolic5895 last big tournament where Leo used Joker was summit. He went 1 for 4 in sets with Joker and got 9th out of 16 players

@@silverpotato4272 The last time he solo mained Joker consistently was more than 2 years ago. He's out of practice and he will continue to be until he sticks with Joker. But even his out of practice Joker, regardless of placement, moves better and has a better match up spread and fits his style better than Aeigis and Byleth. If he committed to Joker for a long time and got worse results than he's getting now (highly unlikely), then we could say he was right to look for a new main. Otherwise, the data clearly points to mainly playing Joker as the best Leo can possibly do.

I agree. Leo isn't a better Mythra than Shuton but Shuton destroyed Kameme.

I don't think Byleth does bad vs Sora but Leo played this so bad. If he wanted to mash so much he should've used Mythra

@@fupalover MU looks _doable_ but Sora floating over dtilt and outside up b range and punishing looks annoying. Also even when Leo nairs him Kameme was airborn so often that sent awkwardly and he couldnt get much from it. Plus Kameme is likely always gonna be more prepared for a Sora MU than the opponent so going with the advantageous pick is ideal

Sora player here Kameme made a MU chart recently and only had 9 losing MUs for Sora. Aegis being one of them.

Aegis and their players are less than se* workers

I swear him and light br crazy and Prod on Mario with pivot grabs

A fitting place for a fitting victory

何年か前のエボで倒しとるよ（スマSP）

EVO2019のときは2先やったけどな

@@ma-syaru 勝ちは勝ちでしょ その時のレオってノリノリのジョーカーだったし

ちなみにLeoはスマforからkamemeを1回も倒したことないよ

I dunno if Byleth does well in this MU. It looks pretty horrible for him on stage. Leo looked like he didn’t know how to play the MU well, but Byleth is so slow and Sora’s attacks beat out a Byleth’s nair which is like 80 percent of his kit. Sora can also edgeguard Byleth pretty well, but the reverse is also true. To me, it looked like a mixture of not knowing the MU + the MU being kind of bad. Kameme also says this is a losing MU for Byleth.

@@GessekaiMoon I don't know why everybody says Byleth being slow is such an issue in the mu. He's always compensated for it with his large aerials and movement, and it's not like Sora is some super fast in your face character. Plus he's floaty. You can play around all these factors pretty well, Leo just didn't show it. He thinks Byleth should win too, but I agree he doesn't know the mu.

it’s an even mu fs

@@fromjahwluv It seems to be the case. I guess the fact that Byleth's ground game isn't much use versus Sora's kit is pretty annoying. He can become predictable because of that. But you don't have to win neutral as much as Sora has to to take a stock.

@@GessekaiMoon pretty sure it’s even but not losing. And Leo thinks the MU is winning Also Leo didn’t play well at all

He's played Kameme's sora before, even then i think people need to just accept that everyone is much better than they were 4 years ago and that the gap has closed by a lot, Spargo prolly just as good, if not better than Leo rn. He can obviously make a comeback. Reminder he also lost to Zomba which he has no excuse for since he says BigBoss is the best ROB and he train with him all the time. Give people their flowers bro, people are just catching up.

Not really, he’s familiar with Sora but not the style that Kameme plays. Leo essentially went cocky since he thinks its similar to Dabuz and Maister. Theres a reason why NA calls Sora bad. Kameme has shown time to time how very viable Sora is and that he is potential top tier

@Illford The game needs the flowers instead because it’s nothing but a huge selection of nigh infinite amounts of nigh annoying cheese lords. The ultimate result of the game shittinb out 70-ish characters and its Godawful online as well as its Godawful character designs. The fact MKLeo and Tweek can no longer beat the cheese is a bad sign for how the game is heading.

​What a shit take, i respect your opinion though.

Oof

Exactly. Why don't more people notice this?

Mythra and Pyra are not the problem, the problem is that everyone already knows how to play their byleth, those are the consequences of using a character that has a predictable game, as happened with joker

@Acronix-0 *Leo nairs 20x on his opponents shield* Everyone "people know the Byleth MU" No leo isn't doing any of the things that made his Byleth #1. Which is conditioning

both

kameme is doing sora shit and leo is not doing byleth things

@@lokks2130 damn

3 major in a row ah yes bad patches

@@ABC-ik9vj-🤓 thank you for defining what a bad patch is

@@ishaan9265 it’s is because of the GF if you think that didn’t affect his results you’re just blinded. This has nothing to do with touch women don’t project yourself into this lmao

@@Ericspil790 Leo has slowly gotten worse since the beginning of 2022. Nothing to do with a GF.

I have not been touched by women often, but why shoud I care?

the side-b was not what killed him there. It was Fair not working when Kameme was off-stage. If it worked properly, mkleo was dead. Granted, Kameme might've been too low when he did Fair 1 off-stage. I agree side-b is exploitable flaws, but it has lots of mix-up potential. Mkleo just used Dair at the right timing.

i mean his recovery there was predictable and he did a bad angle not to snap ledge so the down air was free. when you have one of the biggest down airs that spikes i think its gonna be hard to avoid sometimes. you gotta give more credit to mkleo lol multiple top tiers wouldve also gotten spiked too and have worse recoveries than sora

If you watch it again, kameme was drifting back when he did the fair. If he had committed to drifting right it would’ve worked. I mean it’s a sora thing to kind of hit the first one to check if it connects then continue the last two hits. Plus if it doesn’t connect and he kept going he’d be dead anyways. But yeah probably just threw it out there just to check leo but wasn’t confident in it connecting

⁠@@RanserSSF4 ​​⁠​⁠​⁠ I rewatched it I agree his off stage f air was his real downfall. He was trying to make it impossible to make it back to stage for leo. Not to sound like a hater but to say mkleo had the right timing is like complimenting someone for punishing a sephiroth using up b in the middle of the map. I was confused by your mix-up potential comment so I went back to the video of sakurai introducing the mechanics behind sora. And turns out you’re right. Ive been playing sora since released and I was completely unaware sora’s side b isn’t necessarily a homing attack. Idk you could take control of the direction if let go pressing b and even go back to homing if you wanted. BUT I also found out at the end of the day his side b will leave him defenseless when recovering. Considering sora’s side b will not grab edge until the move comes to a complete stop or you let the mechanic aim for ledge which was too risky. So maybe just maybe if kameme was patient he could’ve recovered safely but mkleo isn’t your average smash player.

@@yanyan5362 yes thats what happend, any real sora player can tell.

It's a platform fighting game... 😐

@@Youzan808 yep, one with a lot more options than the one I listed above. A**hat.

He already lost it

マジでわかる。あと差別用語も沢山使われてると思う、篝火で日本人がsparg0に負けた時とか酷かった

どんぐりの背比べ定期

フランス人ですが、日本語を少し話せますので、スペルミスはご容赦ください。英語のコメントを読むと、あcolaに対する人種差別があったり、スティーブに対する憎しみが強かったりするような気がします。一方、日本のコメントを読むと、Sparg0に対する肯定的な意見が多いですね。私たちは皆、偏っているのかもと思うw

@@blablablabla3878 日本でもスティーブが嫌われてるのは見るけど海外だと人種差別とかあるのは酷いな

キャラ批判で溢れてる日本はまだ平和だったのか

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