Thank you mate, appreciated!

Great to hear!

Glad it helped

Thanks mate!

Thanks mate!

It does make sense mate, console support is limited across the different brands so you have to so what you have to do!

hahahaha thats excellent!

It's good to have a dream though mate! :)

This used to be all included in the price but I've just checked and now indeed you "may" be charged upon delivery to the UK!

It's an awkward way of doing it, how do you change wheels?! lol

@@KarlGosling Simple answer is you don't, it's all combined

Good price!

Definitely!

Thanks Burt!

I have all three Moza R5, CSL DD 8nm and Cammus C5, C5 is stronger, more detailed and far more immersive drive than the other two. Its a night and day difference. I also have the R12 and when i switch to the C5 for a few weeks it is a very pleasant experience. Less powerful than the R12 ofcourse but enough power to not miss the additional torque. Selling the R5 and CSL DD...CSL 8nm was by far the worse of the three. R5 comes second needs a fair bit of fine tuning in settings, but leaps ahead of CSL DD in terms of power and detail. C5 has it flaws with the wheel being small and not replaceable, and the small shifters, but the power and the FFB detail makes up for it. I say this all when I was actually hoping for my Fanatec to be the better of the three, only reason I had the other two was because fanatec took months to deliver and in that time i found the other two for less than 350 collectively on FB marketplace! I will be selling the fanatec and moza, the good thing with Fanatec DD is the price will hold relatively stronger than the other two. CSL DD failed on two different points of the quick release, the USB C connection and the clamp interface, had to send it back twice. Pisspoor design with unnecessary amount of failure points from poor design. One sniff of a Moza quick release and you'll never touch fanatec again. The software has come so far that its ahead of Fanatec. Fanatec does make the best pedals out of them all thou, atleast at the entry level. I'm never selling my Elite V2 load cells, even though im on simjacks now.

I do at least think stock is getting shipped these days, even if it's not quite as quick as they say.

Yeah the 0.1% use case I mentioned mate.

Very nice!

Sure is if you don't mind used.

Whatever takes your fancy mate, I run a Sparco R215 but it's up to you.

To be fair even with the Logitech you still need to setup and tweak everything... but with so little power and fidelity you don't always notice.

Many people have "upgraded" from a G29 to DD PRO and have never been able to beat their lap times set on the G29.

DD Pro 8nm was a good one, enjoyed it for some years on my Ps5. Good choice. You are going to enjoy it

I got the gt omega titan just because of him and it's excellent :)) great channel

​@@FlorauhGot my GT Omega Prime and triple screen stand based on his recommendation. The Prime is absolutwly rock solid and the stand arrives in the next couple of days!

@@giogamer4825 nice mate! Thankyou!

@@Florauh a bit out of my budget that one mate :( but fair play to you!

I thought the same with the Moza R5 but I got the R9 instead with the better wheel. Omg I'm glad I did. That thing is stronger than I thought, like or can be a workout.

For those with a PS4 or those who like to live dangerously on PS5, there's also the DriveHub. I've used it with an Xbox thrust master TX and a CSL DD (regular) on my PS5 with GT7

@@AnomieDomine yeah i thought about that but i like my setup to be completely plug and play and i heard the ffb is not as good as native support. So i went for the Logitech DD pro. Very happy with it. If i was pc only i would have gone with Moza or Fanatec for sure.

@@MrCamel254 hard to say without having both, there are different compatibility modes, I think with full support the DriveHub basically tells the console you are using the equivalent gear - so PS5 sees my tx as a t300 and CSL DD as the GT version - if hardware is the same, it should be close

@@VirtualRyders I chuckled when I read your comment. First time I used the G Pro wheel I was wrestling with it thinking man, this ffb is bloody hard work! What the hell is this set on, max? Nope, it was at 5.5nm. I think that will do me for now.

I've not used a SSH shifter so can't comment on that but the Fanatec bundle is fine and I'd wait till the other side of the weekend as GT Omega may have a better wheel stand for the same money coming...😉

@@KarlGosling ooo okay! I’m going to buy things this August, so hopefully it’ll be released by then 😀

For drifting yes definitely! Auto is no good mate and yes you need a handbrake.

Not really mate, you can always down the FFB down to accommodate a wobbly desk but still retain the smoothness and detail a DD gives over the gear or belt driven options.

Compared to the cammus c5, the csl dd is not a good deal. The c5 doesn't have any flex and is solid as it gets. To have the same experience with the csl dd, you will have to buy the boostkit (then still you don't have the power if the c5, but very close), you will have to upgrade to qr2 and you would need to buy one of their better rims.... Even with the discounted price of 199€ for the csl dd, you will pay over 300% of cost of the c5. Fanatec however you look at it, is not worth it.

@@azamat19 Fanatec offers better pedals, wheels, console compatibility... The C5 is stuck with what it is, including a flat bottom road car wheel that works but doesn't match the most popular racing divisions. It's not bad for what it is and it's cheaper, if you don't value the other factors Also you should check your math, the CSL basic setup is $399, with pedals and everything you need

@@AnomieDomine what??? First of all it doesn't matter which company you buy pedals from, you can just mix them. Lc100 pedals qre far superior to v3 pedals but i would just buy vrs or simagic p1000 pedals. 399€ set for fanatec is compete garbage. Need to upgrade to qr2 wnd buy a higher end rim and the boost kit zu be comparable to c5. Console compatibility... Well if we are talking about simracing, theres no alternative to pc.

These days Moza seem on their game, it's a decent bundle mate so yes go for it! Discount in the description if needed too.

@@KarlGosling Thank you for your reply.

My desk monitor is never enabled when I'm on my sim rig, I have a dual boot setup so load up into whatever I'm doing... Nvidia surround is way too much ball ache to setup each time I want to swap so this was far easier.

At review the FFB wasn't great, I don't know what it's like now though mate sorry.

It's still a gamble on delivery times from what people are saying in the comments mate.

If thats all your budget allows then it's better than nothing, I am hearing of compatibility issues on PC though (as I mentioned in the review with DR2.0)

Drivehub, I’ve used it for my CSL DD on PS5 and it works great, it’s about £100

As another poster stated, the DriveHum is great.

Unless you're buying your g923 used, there's no point to a non dd wheel in the $350-400 price range when moza r3 exists.

Yeah consoles are more limited for choice.

I'll look into them mate!

There's no wrong information, I quoted the relevant websites word for word (not specifying peak or holding) as it's a price comparison video not a wheel vs wheel video... it's up to you as the viewer to research and decide which is best for you also as I said in the video.

Whichever is compatible and reviews the best I guess mate, I don't have a PS5 so have no direct experience sorry!

That is common sense mate and as per my pinned comment will vary wildly from country to country so is not something I can cover obviously.

The website shown says "In stock" mate, but who knows?!

@@KarlGosling I'm from the EU, and I only see "Notify Me." When Will from Boosted Media made his big video, comparing everything, I think he said the same. Also, I haven't met* anyone anyone who have R3. *(discord, forums, reddit) Let's see, maybe someone will comment, and clarified the situation.

​@@alpha007org the R5 bundle is only £50 more so thats another option if the R3 doesn't actually exist.

You can be fast on almost any wheel base (Logitech included), but this video is about what you might buy as your first setup for the same money not double or talking about upgrades like a LC brake.

Yeah budget is definitely the deciding factor for most. Thats what I've always done but the the CMO said the other?! Fuxk knows?! lol

Best to check with Moza to be sure mate.

if it's compatible with xbox it should work with f1 games without any issues.

G29 All day long.

@@KarlGosling Thanks for your recommendation Looks like I’ll be getting the g29

Yeah used is always a good option for those who don't mind going that route.

logitech dd pro is there too

I have the DD Pro AND Logitech G Pro. Neither are priced as beginner wheels IMO, but the Logi is a far better package.

Logistics is £1000 without pedals, not what I'd call cheap..

@@daniellund6159 Yeah its more expensive but you have to calculate some further costs for the Fanatec offer. First of all to get a loadcell you have to put down an additional 129€, then for the boost kit to 8 NM you have to put down another 150€ (you can buy the chinese one but you void your warranty if something happens with it), then you get a really shitty quick release with the bundle so to get the most out of your fanatec wheel you need to get the QR2 bundle. Another 150€. If you count in all those additional hidden costs the price difference to a logitech pro set is shrinking. I paid 190€ more than the bundle i mentioned here for the Logitech one and for that i get 3 additional NM torque, trueforce and better warranty. Fanatec surely is more humane if you want to save up to slowly upgrade your gear, but if you have the money, Logitech is a compelling competitor imho.

I didn't mention it because that and VAT is included in the price you see on the site if you select UK, unless that has changed?! Plus tax, shipping etc will all vary for all products from all manufacturers depending where you are in the world, I can't cover every possible option.

All these are for PC but yeah console options will vary.

Fanatec and logitech for direct drive

Used is a great option for those happy to do that. Fanatec prices include VAT but not shipping mate.

@@KarlGosling import duty i meant.

Don't get the KS, get the GT Neo... Basically the same price and you're gonna get a better wheel all a round.

@@nativerezmedia Thank you very much. But isnt the bundle with KS wheel and Moza R9 cheaper because its sold together?

@@user-bp9oj5ly1k sometimes, but what's the savings?

@@user-bp9oj5ly1k I don't believe there is an R9-KS bundle.

@@nativerezmedia Alright good sir thanks for your advice.

It's showing in stock as you can see mate so you'd hope they actually have one or two?! But who knows? Lol

Must be a mistake. It has not been released. Odd situation ​@@KarlGosling

@@KarlGosling yeah they sent press samples out years ago to "influencers" but it never went in to mass production was what I heard

NEWS FLASH - Spookily they have finally released it this week looking at other KZfaqrs so in turned out to be good advice lol

£145 postage?! Wow!

The R5 bundle is only £50 more so thats another option if the R3 doesn't actually exist.

No, find a t300/t248 in the used market for that price. Avoid logitech if you can, they are loud, and the ffb is not smooth.

New go with a G920 (not G923) used you can choose the best bang for buck!

Price too high!!!

License costs mate :(

Yeah I'd forgotten about that, but it reviewed horribly so probably won't be my first choice.

@@KarlGosling yeah at first but now its getting updates frequently so more games are supported only thing that stops me buying it is will there be othere wheels supported what the use of quick release if not a F1 wheel is a must at some point and needs to be sub 600 then it would be a good deal

Ah yeah in the small % of users who might want the pedal for something other than a clutch!

​@@KarlGosling yeah totally agreed, a weird, very small bunch of "pedal-it yourself" guys indeed ;o) Thank you for the video btw, I lost my manners in the process of protesting against the uselessness of the third pedal without a shifter ! I always enjoy watching your content :)

Yeah and the R5 is only £45 more so may as well get that.

@@KarlGosling only 2 bad that its not compatible with console. I had no choice then to go for fanatec otherwise I would've bought moza because of the cheap wheel mods that they sell. Maybe testing the moza wheel mods is a good idea for a youtube video?

Consoles are limited, Fanatec is probably the only option at a higher price tag.

@@KarlGosling Yeah it sucks for sure, and Sony is less friendly than microsoft too. maybe one day ill switch to PC

Tax is included if you chose UK on their site (which I have).

lol No! I've been away on holiday, which is definitely a more pressing issue!

Yup there is this for sure!

The site I showed says "In Stock" mate, but maybe not?!

@KarlGosling microsoft certification has not happened for some reason. No units have been shipped. Was supposed to launch months ago. It is bizzare as there are many people waiting on it to come out.

@@robertcarr4172 ah I see! Well the R5 bundle is only £50 more so thats another option if the R3 doesn't actually exist.

It appears that the R3 has now been released. @Neosphinx video might have helped (i was the one complaining)

I hadn't forgotten but as you rightly say I was speaking from a PC point of view.

The console market is completely under-severed by most of the wheel manufacturers. My first thought was that they’re missing a massive opportunity but my second thought was then “I wonder if the greedy console makers (both of them) are charging a licensing premium which means it’s not a cost effective market to properly enter.

@@davidetherington2567 You're absolutely right. Both Sony and Microsoft charge a licensing fee for devices to work with their consoles. Also the device manufacturer needs to purchase authentication chips that need to be incorporated into device so that the console recognises the device as authorised. Then there's also the hurdle of actually getting accepted by Sony or MS. So yeah, I'm sure that for a lot of the wheel manufacturers it simply doesn't make financial sense.

Ok then

Certainly is if you're happy with used, can save so much money!

Yeah console users options are more limited of course.

That's not even true.

They have improved a fair bit recently, both myself and a mate bought the QR2, he did it right before the stinky stuff hit the fan and was waiting a month, I ordered mine about 6 weeks later and it was at my door in 4 days (they said 5-7 days), but, that's just 2 people though....

Things have really changed haven't they!

Yeah I agree... But they are very cheap! Lol

they look bad, but because the C5 motor is in the wheel not in a separate base, in a beginner's desk-and-monitor setup the monitor can be placed very close to the wheel and the racer, which is good for FOV

Mostly INCORRECT but cheers for your THOUGHTS! lol

@@KarlGosling lol I'm right ✅️ 🤣 😂 🤪

Yes it does, well done... I was comparing brand new offerings. The used market is great for some, but also a minefield of wildly varying prices and reliability, not something I can confidently base a video on.

Hmm I'll look into it mate thanks!

Interesting mate!