Can we quickly touch on how that moderator saying "You are wrong 👍" is probably one of the most toxic and horrible things a moderator could ever say? The moderator didn't even explain his reasoning or anything, he just said some snarky sentance and pretty much just ghosted him...

That "you are wrong" was astoundingly rude. Whoever wrote that should be ashamed of themselves.

Its so annoying to see how bias moderators are. They ignore "nobodies" until a "somebody" raises the red flag

I love how they specifically force you to record mouse audio so they can verify that the clicks sound on time only to then dismiss someone who pointed out that the clicks sounded wrong.

The amount of vindication Kolo must have felt after over a year of knowing the top player was a cheater must have been incredible.

A thing that wasn't mentioned in the video was that Kolo received a lot of backlash for their exposal. It had a terrible like to dislike ratio and a bunch of comments harassed Kolo. It's a shame that Kolo got a bunch of crap for speaking up against a popular person.

I hope whoever said " you are wrong" wakes up at 2am due to cringe and feeling like an idiot atleast 30 times a year.

The "theft" you talked about in the end is for me the most damaging part of cheating. Be it on Minecraft, GD or any other game, the cheater made players bang their heads into the wall for months or years trying to beat a run or player that doesn't really exist. It affects so many truly passionate people in so many horrible ways that it escapes my comprehension.

What upsets me most, is that when SpaceUK was originally called out to the moderators with video evidence, they didn't even bother to explain properly or talk to the person sending it like they were an equal. They just gave a rude, self important reply of "you are wrong.", as if they are the absolute authority.

As the guy who "competed" with space. The whole situation left me so confused ill never be able to explain in words. Thanks for the video i am glad i could help. Don't mind the [ZBOT] tag next to my name on the pointercrate stats viewer. Its a joke and mockery of space (i swear)

Kolo and the guy who added the zBot watermark are the true heroes of the story. As a GD player who’s played for many years and am not as on top of the community now, I had no idea it was this bad. SpaceUK is truly a disgusting person for robbing so many legit players of the glory they deserved. Can’t believe he got away with it for so long.

Kolo is the absolute king in this story. The mod who rejected him could have easily told others and see if something suspicious was happening, but instead, they just completely ignored it. spaceuk sucks and should have been caught years before.

As a relatively new member of the Demonlist Team I am very dissapointed in the snarky response given to Kolo, I am glad we are past this.

Kolo should send a 3 words reply back to that moderator: "I was right 👍" EDIT: Looking at the comments makes me wonder why I am still here.

"This guy is cheating, here's the proof" "Nuh uh"

I hope which ever mod simply said "You are wrong" is no longer a mod. They clearly suck at their job.

I appreciate you covering this situation man, you did a great job. I actually didn't know all the details surrounding Kolo's claims, and seeing that demon list moderator's response feels pretty crushing. I remember grinding Acheron for months to be the first victor, just for Space to pick it up and "complete" it within a week. The worst part looking back is that I didn't even feel that disheartened by him beating it, because I saw Space as this guy that was just untouchable, like, I didn't even compare myself to him he's so good. That's how this man was viewed in our community and it's very unfortunate that it took so long for him to get caught.

As someone who was consistently trying to compete with space for a year, seeing this news was just crazy. All the time and effort myself and others were actually putting in just for one person to barely do anything and reach the spotlight, its just terrible.

Everything about this whole situation is so infuriating to me. I feel so bad for kolo aswell. And the fact that so many people are just welcoming space back into the community with open arms is so weird. Space stole so much recognition from the people who would've been top 1 if he didn't cheat. Genuinely robbing them of potential revenue.

seeing Karl super focused and serious on beating jumper in the video background at 6:22 is amazingly hilarious

thank you so much for covering this, as the creator of slaughterhouse its hard for me to know the entire verification was a lie and hope a great moment like doggie being the first isnt robbed of anyone in the future as it has before.

As a person very involved in the geometry dash community this exposal was crushing. Yes the history of the game was changed forever, but space made countless friends in the community and he lied to every single one of them for YEARS. Thanks for covering this Karl!

Feelsbad for Kolo, like he KNEW this guy cheated but was brushed off. The only time they found out that it was true when a mod official took it seriously. Sums up IRL. You won't get noticed if the admins don't do something and will only give attention if a higher authority will say something or if you have the power to do so.

You nailed it at the end - the worst part about the GD community is how quickly it forgives hackers. They can basically just continue playing the game as if nothing happened, with the majority of people remaining positive about them. They act like courageous to come out as a hacker and noble to complete your previously hacked levels legit. It’s terrible. I only hope that in the future cheaters are caught before they get big, because once they do get caught it doesn’t even matter.

Thank you for covering this! The community appreciates it

If I was Kolo I would've immediately turned into the pettiest guy on the planet lol. I would've replied "I was right 👍" one time for every single day they spent dismissing the work and effort put in exposing this guy. Crazy that this is how a startling amount of people act when given even the tiniest bit of authority and power

GD players have 4 main endings 1: You get bored of the game and retire 2: You dissappear from community with no trace 3: You get exposed for cheating (applies to pro players) 4: You get canceled for grooming minors in discord

She: how could you not know this, I have been giving signs all the time... Her signs: ZBot watermark

Kolo deserves more recognition and definitely a major apology from the mods that were super rude to him when he was just trying to bring attention to someone threatening the integrity of this particular speedrun community. Honestly the least they could have done was look into it, even if they didn't have the means to prove beyond reasonable doubt that spaceuk was cheating.

It was a pleasure working with you on this, Karl. As shocked as I was of the initial scandal I am equally as hopeful that something like that will never happen again!

I love how Karl can take a game that I have zero interest in, and get you invested in not only the who, but the why of a games fanbase, and showcase why people love a game in very understandable ways.

Kolo is like the superhero after the supervillain convinces everyone that he's the good guy.

Props to the chad cheat developer for leaving a good watermark in their system!

Kolo deserves an apology from the moderators “you are wrong👍” no u were wrong “Filled with blatant misinformation and bad data, sorry” god Edit: ok they kinda apologized

Huge respect for Kolo. My man is ahead of the competition of detecting cheaters lol

that whole "you are wrong" response boils my blood and I have zero stake in this lol. Just ridiculous. Gaming communities are crazy.

They never apologize for cheating, they always apologize for being caught.

I really appreciate the guy who added a secret watermark to zbot. People like him are the unsung heroes of these stories.

crazy to think that this would've lasted a lot less if the moderator just...did his job lmao

"You are wrong" Well that didn't age well. Shame on that guy.

I call BS. I think the mods know EXACTLY who rejected Kolo, and are only trying to cover their asses because they are largely embarrased about getting caught dropping the ball so hard.

Thank you so much for this video. It isn't very often our community is seen by the wider audience and I can speak on behalf of everyone when I say we appreciate you so much for this. The situation with Space hits pretty close to home for me, too, as I was the #1 player in 2019 and experienced similar events to Doggie with the level Zodiac. So I could almost relate to everything that happened but today's top players were affected far, FAR worse than I or anyone before them. Nothing beats the damage that Space did and I can't begin to imagine anything topping it forever.

Not gonna lie, that Geometry Dash team has to be the most unprofessional I have seen

I'm glad Zoe the mod reported her findings, or else Kolo might never have found vindication.

The most insane thing is that Space's main rival Zoink was debated to a better player than a HACKER. (Not just in terms of points, but in skill too.) He is able to beat levels very quickly too.

The fact that you're not even in the GD community and that you made (in my opinion) the best video on this whole situation is crazy. Good job, as always.

From the perspective of a video game WR holder, not only does "being good doesn't make you less likely to cheat" but being good can also make you bored, tired, and lazy. I've looked into the practically non-existent hacking scene for my game and fiddled around with glitches and cheat engine in my spare time because it can mess with the game in new and interesting ways. One of the most fun I've had with my game in years was when someone made a fan engine and it was glitchy as hell, because it was silly and novel. But I'd be the first to fight that using these things shouldn't be allowed in "official" runs. Because the fan engine you can go in and switch up parameters really easily.

Always love hearing someone act super obnoxious when they're the ones in the wrong. Way to do your job, mod team.

I love how Karl gets me so invested into a community for a game I know nothing about

I’m not familiar with this community but I appreciate you redeeming Kolo’s reputation, Karl. The man loved the game enough to call Space out and can now hold his head high knowing he was the first to see it. I’m willing to cut him some slack for the error about splicing.

>"You are wrong👍" >Refuse to elaborate further >Let the plebs wonder about the reason your massive intellect judged them incorrect. They will never understand. >And even if they turn out right, tell em you're well past this and to get on with the times. Sigma mod

10:48 that’s okay that upside down section in Can’t Let Go is quite the difficulty spike for beginners

I’m glad he brought up Space’s new channel, because it really is rough to see how parts of our community won’t hold him accountable and still revere him as some sort of god

Such a great video! Good job Karl!

That "You are wrong" is the most power that mod has ever felt after being bullied all the way through school and likely still into adulthood. Hard not to laugh at him

As his closest friend I remember finding out about this and feeling nothing but pure shock when I found this out to be the unfortunate truth, we were so close to the point there’s people that think I was involved in his hacking. I think what this situation has taught us is that as a community we need to be a LOT more on guard when someone displays for example unexplainably fast progress on things, with a lot of hackers they seem to disregard the fact that taking shortcuts doesn’t leave you unscathed in the end ++ this video is amazing, i wish i could have helped more than providing a few screenshots however it turned out amazing and i hope it brings some attention, not only to the game and to you, but also to people who plan to cheat their way to the top in future. very nice job as always karl :)

thanks for covering this, it's always cool to see the gd community unite against cheaters

Is it just me, or does the message "You are wrong" with a thumbs up afterwards just completely tick me off so much.

After all this calmed down Demon list should’ve tweeted at Kolo “you were right 👍” Also the watermark thing was crazy.

Every cheater tries to admit a small number of runs are faked thinking it will get them off the hook, but it should be extrenely obvious that if youre caught your entire catalogue is going to be scoured. Keep bringing light to these frauds Karl. Shout out to the hard working community members that catch them.

"You are wrong 👍" This aged horribly like dry aging a steak in dirt

Man, Karl, I've been subbed here for some years now and just wanted to acknowledge your video quality gradually getting better and better over the years, it's been awesome to watch you evolve as a creator. Please understand I'm not implying that your original material wasn't solid as well, but in comparison your current work you have come lightyears in nearly every category of video creation. Mind you I've never been involved in any speedrunning communities (let alone tried playing them myself, unless you count my baby sister and I always fighting over who was better at the games on our PS1 lol) but, while I can't remember exactly how I found you here, I'm happy to say that you single-handedly opened me up to this whole niche world that I kinda knew existed, but not nearly to such a large and serious degree. You've introduced me to a whole lot of not only extremely talented, but some of the most intelligent and flat out interesting people I've ever known about in my life. Not to plug myself here but I'm a battle rapper - that is to say that I belong to a very niche community of highly talented, versatile, intelligent/quick-witted and notably unique individuals as well. I love watching people dedicate serious time, effort and energy into very niche things that the majority of people don't even care about enough to know there's even a community centered around it, and the video game speedrunning people, such as yourself, are no exception. I also love that you seem to be more of a fan of it than anything else. Because as such you're genuinely interested in the nuts and bolts of it all, which is what makes you discussing it so interesting, even to those of us who know little to nothing about speedrunning. Anyways, just wanted to give you your roses while you're still here to smell them. Godspeed, my friend. Thank you for introducing me to your world. e: Also fuck Billy Mitchell.

One big thing I never see anyone mention was when space originally intended to quit shortly after completing the main list. It was super weird at the time because instead of just leaving the community he went out of his way to take down every completion video and had moderators remove his Pointercrate profile. In hindsight it makes total sense considering he probably just wanted to ensure noone would ever find out he hacked so his reputation could never be touched. He only put the videos back up and had his profile reactivated after there was major disapointment and confusion in the community which put a lot of focus on the missing videos. He may have suspected if people collected downloads of his privated completions they might look at them more closely so just putting them back up was less of a risk, but nonetheless its truly scummy.

I love the bit about the hidden zbot watermark, it reminds me of a story Oddheader shared on his channel about a programmer who had his software stolen by someone at his clients' office, only to enter a secret button combination and display an image of Sailor Moon, proving that he was actually the original creator of the code. Never underestimate how clever programmers are!

You've came so far man... currently catching up on your content... ALWAYS interesting. And I always learn a thing or two about different games. I like the vibes from your channel. Keep it up you bloody legend 👏

They way you did the looping storytelling in this vid was brilliant, well done, sir.

I've talked to SpaceUK a few times and he seemed like a really chill guy. Seeing this whole hacking scandal play out was more disappointing to me than anything and its a shame that he wasn't who I thought he was. I'm so glad you made this video to bring attention to this, it doesn't go unnoticed

Its awesome seeing someone from outside of the Geometry Dash community do so much research to understand the little but important details that make up the game and whatnot. Seriously, to those outside of the community, so many things have been developed within the world of this little square game and its crazy

I absolutely loved this game back in the day. I’m so sad that this has happened, thank you for sharing and I’m glad that they’re exposed now!

I introduced my friend to geometry dash. He quickly became much better than me. But we still looked at spaceuk as the goat. We were severly shocked and disapointed when all of this came out. I thank you for making this video, and brining more focus to it. Since most in the community don't seem to know.

One of your best one's ever Karl. You nailed it at the end when you talked about robbing people of those special moments that they can be proud of, no matter what they are. Imagine being awarded a Silver Medal at the Olympics in front of the whole world and then finding out years later, you were the actual Gold Medalist!

Kolo's video commentaries were pure gems, people even saying that they were professional video editors by many years and that the frame delay was normal, man... lol

Not only did he steal the record for being the first to beat the level, but he also got player of the year which would of gone to someone else.

as someone that looked up to space as a god of geometry dash, this was devastating. his achievements motivated me to keep playing harder levels, but after I learned about this I lost all motivation for the game because you don't know how many top players are hacking, and how many top players are actually legit.

As a frequent watcher, I always thought that legit top players in any other game would feel only relief after someone's exposal. After this incident, I realized truly how big of a theft cheating really is in such a game, because for the first time, it is actually associated with a game I used to be passionate about. I will never experience the disappointment or the robbery first hand, because I will never be a top player, but it truly made me put everything in perspective and realize that cheating is very far from just lying.

I'm glad you covered this topic, but I would like to say something. The part that pisses me off the most with this scandal is the other levels on the demon list. Levels like Abyss Of Darkness, Sakupen Circles, and especially Silent Clubstep were all deemed to be harder than Slaughterhouse, which would place them all at #1 on the demon list. But because of spaceuk's biased opinion, they were all moved down below Slaughterhouse, robbing them of the #1 spot. Since this came out, Silent Clubstep has moved up above Slaughterhouse, but still at #3. Many people are still pissed that this once impossible level was robbed because of a biased cheater. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, said this was #1 at the time.

Amazing to see such a great video on a non-GD channel. You’ve done a fantastic job for both fans and general viewers

not only was this video mega freaking enjoyable and interesting so far but I LOVE HOW YOU SNUCK IN THAT MASS EFFECT OST

Remember: if cheating subtly doesn't work, try cheating blatantly.

I hope the mod who so *smugly* responded that the evidence was wrong, obviously without looking into it at all (or they wouldve given an explanation) is utterly ashamed of themselves....

The moderation team for Geometry Dash is so goofy.

Seeing Karl focus on jumper like players do on extremes is amazing

To expand on the ending of this video, Space did more than just steal the verification title from Doggie. He also stole many, many first victor titles from that actually deserved that attention. In GD, the “first victor” is the first person to beat the level after it’s been verified and uploaded. Being the first victor of a demonlist level is a big deal, and can get you a lot of attention from the community. The worst part is not only did he commit the “subtle” theft of stealing that pride and accomplishment from deserving players, he actually caused real damage by stealing millions of views on his completion videos, robbing those players of real world money they would have otherwise earned legitimately. Space knowingly caused real world damage to competing players (many of whom were his friends) for years and never confessed until he was forced to.

As an observer of this situation in the GD community, this whole situation really comes across as deliberate negligence to me. The Demon List has been known for years for having ridiculously strict rules for players submitting records, even going as far as not allowing records of players accidentally exiting before reaching the end of a difficult level when it has already been beaten (usually due to ending logos showcasing all creators that took part in making it, which can take over 30 seconds before reaching the level end). To see them deliberately put a blind eye to someone that they believe is legitimate because they have shown they are a good player before is reckless and unprofessional, especially for a list team who demands a lot from you to be considered fully legitimate. I understand that laziness does come in every now and then and that is perfectly reasonable. But when someone has provided with facts that bring up genuine concern, dismissing the portions of things found that are correct and taking the parts that are incorrect as the full truth is just a demonstration of favoritism. As you said Karl, being a good player doesn't make you any less likely to cheat. What did happen here could have been avoided if there was more care put into actually looking into everything that was being said. But alas, the GD community now has to deal with this impact that SpaceUK caused which will never go away.

Props to Doggie! It is very sad all this cases of cheating are beign discovered, if there is a community prompt to cheating its the gaming one, thats why we should be more carefull with this stuff, very sad. 😔

Thankfully, this video was finally done. I'm so happy that Kolo also thought the same way.

I think it's crazy that someone with very little involvement with and background knowledge of this game and its community can make a better Geometry Dash video than most GD KZfaqrs, which really says a lot about both our community and you. Just like your previous uploads, this was a really good video!

as a geometry dash player, this video is definitely the best one covering this situation. thank you karl jobst

Is he still repeating "I just beat acheron" in a hospital with a straitjacket

I had heard this story so many times before this video and I still learned things from it. Amazing video! :)

He didn't cheat. He just harnessed some of Billy Mitchel's power.

I honestly feel pretty bad for Kolo because he gave all this evidence that SpaceUK was cheating but everyone said he was wrong

30:11 There's more than this. He regularly shows up in other players streams and gets treated as if he's still the god everyone believed he was. I wrote in the chat at some point why no one seemed to care about it and several people started talking shit to me for not forgiving him literally a week after it all happened. It's a game that I spent a lot of time playing, hoping to become one of the best players in at some point but damn do I hate the community with my whole hearth.

The worst part was spaceuk was actually a good player before he decided to cheat

I don't even play this game, yet it still has me mad at how Kolo never really got justice. The fucking cheek of calling it "Blatant misinformation and bad data." Yeah, you can definitely tell this was 2020 when the easiest way to dismiss anything of possible merit was to just call it "misinformation." Why didn't they check who posted it? It was using their Twitter handle. Of course they could check the logs. Of course they could check who posted it. My guess is it was someone important enough where they didn't want to address it. If I was to go full tinfoil hat, it might even have been the mod who repeated word for word what Kolo said as it became more and more apparent that SpaceUK was in fact cheating.

I was an early viewer of Space and would watch him on twitch back in the day (you can see me in the chat at 22:15). For 2 and a half years I thought I knew this guy, until one day what was hiding in plain sight suddenly crashed down on everyone like an anvil. Just like that, the greatness I thought I had witnessed was all gone. Thank you for making this video, you couldn’t have put it any better into words - we as a community really do appreciate this.

11:50 The Mass effect exploration OST always fill my heart with joy

Thanks for covering this! Geometry Dash has had hacking scandals before but this is by bar the biggest most insane one. Hopefully this community is able to recover from this kind of betrayal of trust and get better at spotting this kind of thing. While I'm much more interested in the level creating side of the game, top players and big achievements mean a lot to this community and have a big impact on it's well being.

As a biomedical engineer, I think the fact that most of these speedruns need to contain video is the problem. The reason all these scandals go on for so long is because the mods never believe the #1 player is a cheater so they don't check their videos as thoroughly as they would if you or I submitted a time. You can tell by the snarky response from the mod that the fact that Space would cheat wasn't even conceivable to him. In the medical field, we avoid this issue by doing "blind reviews" where if I submit a research paper, my name gets removed. That way a paper from me would be treated the same as a paper from Stephen Hawking because there's no bias. However because speedrunning submissions require video, and the mods would obviously recognize Space on video anyway, it's a lot harder to remove bias.

This guy won an award voted by the community as best player of the year. I had no idea he cheated for that long. Thanks for covering it.