Katara vs Amon: Who Would Win?
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Күн бұрынWelcome to the battle of the bloodbenders: Amon vs Katara. If you think Amon is a one-trick pony or that Katara is an unmatched prodigy then you’re gonna wanna keep watching because there are a lot more nuances here than you might think.
I’ll explain why Amon is formidable even without his OP bloodbending, and I’ll also answer the question as to whether Katara could control others without the full moon. No matter what you think the outcome will be, I promise that by the end of this video, you’ll appreciate both characters in a whole new light.
This is the Versus Series!
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0:00 - Intro
1:42 - Creator Bias
3:30 - Fan Opinions
4:04 - Bloodbending
9:46 - Bloodbending Grip
13:47 - The Full Moon
18:32 - Waterbending
24:50 - The Final Fight
29:07 - Outro
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@gamercore5216 7 ай бұрын
Let's also not forget Amon is also a skilled non-bending martial artist and chi blocker, who katara struggled against with ty lee
@guyhathansaintil5218 7 ай бұрын
he isnt a chi blocker
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Amon is probably a skilled non-bending martial artist but not to the extent that most fans think. For example, Mako outright states that Amon subtlety manipulates others who try to bend against him, like Lightning Bolt Bolt.
@ASS-tb3mq 2 ай бұрын
@@guyhathansaintil5218 he managed to take away people bending due to chi goofy
@nox_cadit 2 ай бұрын
That's not the point, the point is that chi-blockers are like the Hyuuga clan in Naruto using Byakugan to block chakra points. Amon is not a good chi-blocker (fighter that strikes for chu points) he's a good bloodbender that used bloodbending to disrupt and block the chi path on the person's forehead. Chi-blockers can't block that chi point as shown in TLA when Sokka head bumped Tai Li @@ASS-tb3mq
@Wright805 2 ай бұрын
Katara was able to dodge attacks from Ty Lee (one of the best unarmed combatants in the entire franchise) while sleep-deprived (which slows reaction speed). If anything that shows Katara is better at unarmed fighting than most give her credit for.
@mastrocecchianimation8815 7 ай бұрын
Let's go! Super curious to see all the analysis! I love Katara, but for me Amon without a doubt, I believe that even if Katara could and wanted to use bloodbending (so with a full moon) Amon would be able to overpower her as he did with Tarrlok or as Katara herself did with Hama, plus... what the hell would Amon be able to do with the full moon if he boosts his already terrible power? Terrifying, Avatar would probably turn into a splatter show
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Yeah. With or without the full moon would be the same result based on the logic of the power levels of bloodbending as explained in the lore.
@dreaming_cthulhu 7 ай бұрын
Re Katara’s relative inexperience compared to the other talented benders: I think she advanced so quickly because she was having to use her bending to defend herself and her friends in real-life situations as they traveled around the world. Nothing better for learning how to fight quickly than being put in life-threatening situations over and over
@nimsisarts2017 6 ай бұрын
'Being in a near death experience was also a good motivator' -Bolin
@cupidok2768 5 ай бұрын
he's psychic.
@yamiyomizuki Ай бұрын
speaking from experience, being under pressure forces you to get better at what you already know how to do but it won't speed up the acquisition of new skills reall.
@JuniorMarzy 8 күн бұрын
And PLot
@josephrousell2818 7 ай бұрын
Good to finally see you do these again.
@tnntaronewsnetwork4514 7 ай бұрын
YES! You're Back Baby! I've missed these videos.
@princelamar1735 5 ай бұрын
From one power scaler to another, well done Antoine. This video is an example of how power scaling works, going by what we know (as in the evidence in the series) instead of going by what we don’t know (speculation) while also going who would be the most likely to win. Can’t wait to see your future vs vids.
@AntoineBandele 5 ай бұрын
Oh, I am not a powerscaler, to be clear, and as stated in the video. I prefer looking at the matchups based on narrative, not based on calcs of animated content that is inconsistent from one series to the other, or even episode to episode. And as Stan Lee says, "The one who wins the fight is the one the writer wants to win the fight." Powerscaling has its place, put it is not an end all be all for me at all. I discuss that in more detail here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/arqJbMp5zc2cg2g.htmlsi=ghgqr2x-o6q-WtUP
@AntoineBandele 5 ай бұрын
That said, this specific matchups is all about power-scaling by the nature of the ability at hand. So there is that.
@princelamar1735 5 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele That’s the thing man, power scaling is just a form of narrative analysis. We’re looking at the series and the statements within it as well as the feats or capabilities of the characters to not only see what they can do but also who would more likely win in a fight. We’re using our real world knowledge to understand the limits of the characters based on the narrative itself. Calcs is just one part of power scaling, analyzing the narrative is also a part of it.
@dahliazaylinsage 7 ай бұрын
Im excited for this! You're appreciated mate!
@drsmall399 7 ай бұрын
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@MrDiplomat180 3 ай бұрын
That is a good 1v1 analysis battle. Some fans would overhype Katara's skill when her blood-bending feats don't support it. She will lose plain and simple. And I believe that the creators intended it to happen, to make Amon's threat to be as big as it is for Korra to overcome.
@AntoineBandele 3 ай бұрын
I appreciate you on that. I try to be level headed with this stuff. Because you're right... a lot of the VS scenarios for other fans are dictated by favoritism.
@Rando_180 2 ай бұрын
She didn’t have no bloodbending feats because she never had to use it and didn’t want to use it. Katara is the only person to bloodbend without proper training. Even Amon needed to train from the moon and work his way to day time. Katara resisted bloodbending with no training there is no way that their was no possibility she couldn’t bloodbend in the day time. Hama stated that it’s only a night time full moon ability and it was against katara’s outlook. She definitely would resist the bloodbending and no diff Amon. Katara literally negs so badly! 🤣
@notfex1427 2 ай бұрын
@@Rando_180, sorry buddy, I'm gonna tell you straight up. Amon can do it too, and he did it to a blood bender that had the same training as him, so it's not exclusive to Katara only, who had to use the moon to breakout of Blood Bending. And no, her blood bending is just like Hama and would be just like Hama's if she chooses to use it, cuz like you said, she never needed use it, doesn't want to it, and has no training to use it, so she would never be in the same level of blood bending as Amon, Yakone, or even Amon's you her brother.
@Rando_180 2 ай бұрын
@@notfex1427 Amon is featless and has terrible waterbending feats. He legit doesn’t even beat his brother with the water bending feats. His bloodbending was legit restrained from Korra’s will power alone and he was the “superior bloodbender”. Katara never once stated she couldn’t bloodbend without the full moon she just never tried to because she believes it’s wrong. She’s the only person to have no training of bloodbending and resist it/ do the actual technique herself. She absolutely claps Amon and her brother at the same time and sends them to hell. Katara> Korra in water bending and bloodbending/ willpower therefore the feats show she just beats both at the same time. Probably 1v3s the brothers and the father if we’re honest. Katara is just that strong. Arguably the strongest bender who isn’t an avatar in the show along with Toph.
@notfex1427 2 ай бұрын
@@Rando_180, yea, you're either trolling seriously hard, or you're just down bad for Katara. Either, I ain't arguing with you fam 🤣🤣
@Deined 7 ай бұрын
I'm glad you're doing this over. You made a pretty glaring oversight in your original one regarding full moon powers.
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Not sure what you're referring to on this one.
@Deined 7 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele IIRC, in the first vid, you said that the full moon would enhance Katara's waterbending without factoring in that it would also enhance Amon's. You seemed to imply that the full moon would actually give Katara a fighting chance back then.
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Ah! Gotcha.
@shaelindholm2655 7 ай бұрын
I'm so glad this series is coming back, vs matchups is how I originally found your channel
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
I won't make them as frequently as I did in the past, but they will certainly be more consistent now, especially with Avatar coming back in a big way. And I bet I can do live-action battles as well (since the live-action will be different from the original show).
@ZeroRoyale 7 ай бұрын
And now I have to wait for his Star Wars content, if that ever happens again
@AntoineBandele 5 ай бұрын
@@ZeroRoyaleStar Wars will not be making a return unless there is magic shake up at Disney. But I fundamentally do not like what has been done with the world and magic the past decade so I don’t see me going back to pull from that well.
@brokenknight4938 5 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandelewhy don’t indulge in legends again like Evan and Jensaarai?
@SouthpawHare 7 ай бұрын
Something I think is overlooked about bloodbending is the mindset that is likely needed. Much like lightningbending requires an unemotional and focused mind, it appears to me that bloodbending needs a vicious and aggressive mindset, or at least benefits from it. Katara only used it under extreme emotional distress or an outright desire for revenge and causing pain. Ordinarily, however, Katara is compassionate and has little cruel intent, and I imagine that would make her much worse at bloodbending. Even though Katara has done it twice, I doubt she can do it at will anytime. And as she gets older and grows emotionally, she probably actually gets _worse_ at it over time. That's my take on it.
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
A bit too speculative for a versus debate, as it's never stated to need aggression in the same way lightning generation is stated to need a cool head and focused mind.
@MetatronsRevenge613 7 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandeleis that why Azulas lightning was…. Easily countered in Final Agni Kai
@SouthpawHare 7 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele Understandable. Yeah, it's complete speculation on my part.
@vetabeta9890 7 ай бұрын
@@MetatronsRevenge613no…lightning redirection is always…a direct counter to lightning generation, zuko only struggled when it was his first time doing it and he was literally surpised ozai could bend..azula learns it in the comics and does it flawlessly against her own redirected lightnjng
@vetabeta9890 7 ай бұрын
well i mean the mindset thing is subjective..azula could bend during the last agni kai while going through literal psychosis, zuko learned “true firebending” and still gets stomped in a fair fight against comics azula atp
@fr0ntend 6 ай бұрын
Amon was a prodigy and took bloodbending to the next level, being able to bloodbend without the moon and without hand movement. He was also extremely proficient in hand-to-hand combat and was able to fight top tier fighters without waterbending and with minimal bloodbending. He was a true fighter and probably the strongest antagonist in the the whole series, including the antagonists of the prequel. Katara, while being a good and experienced waterbender would stand no chance against that monster.
@HeyNimbus 7 ай бұрын
Yes! I love that this series is back! Aang vs Zaheer would be awesome! Also, a *Harry Potter: Versus Series!* would be great too :)
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Adding Harry Potter back to the channel would be cool but I’m just not into HP these days.
@dylanwalser3138 4 ай бұрын
Aang would no diff wtf lmao
@andrewbertrand3086 7 ай бұрын
I can't wait for more of these!
@nomo4u886 7 ай бұрын
I’m glad this is back
@KhajiitKharjo 7 ай бұрын
I can't even imagine a single scenario where Katara beats Amon in a 1v1
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Same.
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Unless one adds in some sort of plot contrivance.
@wolfsbanealphas617 7 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele especially he would know who. She is a immediately kill her no games like he did Korra
@AstroSully 3 ай бұрын
Unless she got significantly more powerful as an adult.
@polarisdream2468 3 ай бұрын
Actually katara would win and even the ATLA official channel even says this with their water bending rankings video. But I'll also give you my opinion as well.
@AdamSmith-yt1hf 7 ай бұрын
Nice video! Do u think you would be able to make some more match ups with katara in them? Some match ups I’d love to see are katara vs unalaq, Ming hua, kuvira, and ghazan. Just some ideas! Keep it up the good work
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
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@JuniorMarzy 5 ай бұрын
Ghazan is the only bender I think she beats of the benders you named Maybe Ming Hua
@x9gaming205 Ай бұрын
@@JuniorMarzy ghazan is stronger than Ming hua for sure
@idkwhatmynameshouldbe3219 4 ай бұрын
God i haven't seen this channel in ages. 1st things 1st i just wanna say im so happy to see the vs series come back it was always one of my favorite series on YT. As for the actual vid i like the new format alot idk if itll stick but i think it was a good way to look at this match in particular. As for what was said in the video i agree with most of it. Amons blood bending is just straight up op and really theres little if any non avatars i could see actually beating amon. Also i like the assessment of blood bending you gave. I was and still am of the belief that any bended can learn the subsets of their elements as i just feel it makes sense personally tho the series itself seems to differ in that opinion at times. Only thing i disagreed with was some of your comments on power scaling but tbf its power scaling i dont blame ya for not liking to use numbers when it comes to vs battles. Overall i loved the vid and im happy to see the vs series return I give this video the same score as how many times amon beats katara out of 10.
@Deined 7 ай бұрын
Your matchup analyses are coming along nicely these days, Antoine. Video liked and favorited. 😃 9:46 Yaasss! _This_ was the segment I was most looking forward to. You finally addressed the oversight you made in your first Katara vs. Amon vid about full moon bloodbending. You even included a plausible theory on how Korra fought through Amon's grip. Heh, I thought of Mako's lightning weakening his grip in that moment years ago, but I also think Korra knocking Amon around with air blasts also factored in weakening him. I didn't consider doubt creeping in for Amon being yet another factor, though.
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Ooo! That's what you were talking about. I was so confused at first.
@KnuttyEntertainment 7 ай бұрын
We also know that lightning generation creates massive amounts of energy. It’s possible that Amon was having trouble restraining the massive amounts of chi surging through Mako’s body, which is what allowed Mako to move just enough to provide the release that the lightning was begging for.
@Deined 7 ай бұрын
@@KnuttyEntertainment Amon doesn't actively restrain his victims' chi while they're in his grip; he just holds the victims in place until he can press the spot on their foreheads and block their chi. It's doubtful he can even sense chi until he touches his victim to block it. That's likely part of how Mako was able to surprise him with that lightning blast.
@user-gz4bt9sw1p 5 ай бұрын
While agreeing with most of what you said, I believe there are things you did not think about: 1) Katara was not only strong enough no blood bent Hama, she did it first try and instantly. One would even say she also blood bent Aang and Soka for a second, otherwise they would have collided before the "reaction time" of them would even end. To bend 3 people on the first try and prevent any kind of movement from them instantly is very powerful. That means that Katara is very strong and can adapt very quickly to the situation in addition she had never been needed to use more powerful blood bending so saying she can't, might be very wrong. 2) Amon had never been seen fighting without blood bending. Now just to be clear that might be that he is the greatest one ever lived but more realistic is to say he never needed that. His blood bending was enough and I'm not sure if he has the techniques to fight without it. So in a fight (which we assume that Katara is strong enough to overcome his blood bending) I don't think he has a chance. So in this case it all comes to the question: Is Katara stronger? And I don't know how to answer that. All I know is that, at any point in the series (after she mastered water bending) Katara didn't lack power. Sure there were scenes she gave a blow with less than 100% or didn't have enough water around, but she was never in a situation where she is not powerful enough. In conclusion I am not sure who wins. But even if that goes to Amon in his prime vs 14 yo Katara, I think that adult Katara would be a different story.
@AntoineBandele 5 ай бұрын
Literally everything in your comment was addressed in the video. Katara’s age is irrelevant. She loses via bloodbending at any age. This is because of the Yakone court case, which made it known that bloodbending without the full moon was not a common thing, meaning Katara never did it without the full moon. Nor did Katara elevate her bending to the level of psychic bloodbending like Yakone and Amon. The family line are simply more powerful raw waterbenders (again, remember that bloodbending is waterbending, it’s not some entirely new form of bending).
@medicineishere 4 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele i dont think it is a bloodline thing, because Yakone only brought them on full moons, until they could finally blood bend without the full moon. If Katara had enough preparation, she could do it too, but not at Amons level eitherway, Katara banned blood bending so it makes sense why she doesnt have any sort of proper progression, I also didnt watch the video because i have to work on a school project and got bored so i clicked on your videos, love your videos man!
@JuniorMarzy 8 күн бұрын
@@medicineisherebut we know she can’t Yakone looks older than the gaang so when Aang is 40 Katara is 42 and she can’t do it. And at 85 when Tlok starts she can’t do it.
@medicineishere 8 күн бұрын
@@JuniorMarzy We never saw Katara at 42, she wasn’t in the courtroom too.
@Swahili14 7 күн бұрын
@@AntoineBandelehello! Katara is a waterbending prodigy too! Yes if Katara was inside the court, yakone could bloodbend her too This could unlock another KATARA's potential in adapting to situations as she's unlimited waterbending potential and is the most naturally gifted waterbender in the franchise
@pop-culturecinephile8144 7 ай бұрын
If you guys want a happy ending, I’ll give you one. After Amon removes Katara’s bending, Aang shows up and faces him. However long it takes, Aang beats him. (You decide how Aang wins.) In the aftermath, Aang tends to Katara and gives her bending back.
@ManuraAriyathilake 7 ай бұрын
that's beautiful, I picture it happening something like this - Amon blood bends Aang to his knees and stands behind him to take his bending - Avatar state - Amon is trapped in earth like Yakone was - Aang gets up, turns around, and takes his bending away Sokka makes a joke to Aang in the comics about having Aang give him Ozai's firebending, which I dont think is how it works lol, but if it was it would be extra salt in the wound if Aang gave Amon's bending to Katara
@theauraone7755 7 ай бұрын
I can't wait for more of these. These are fun. I wonder what is next?
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Azula vs Kuvira
@theauraone7755 7 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele That one will be fun. Two female villains going against each very nice. I always wonder how that would go down.
@kylerholcomb229 7 ай бұрын
Please please go rewatch both of them. Azula is superior in every way. Kuvira didn’t lose a single fight you put her in that I recall. And I’ve watched them multiple times. Even though Azula is widely known as powerful she is still slept on. She basically soloed team avatar twice. She fought all different types of bending from all directions and counters them all. And then when they all attacked at once she made a fire shield and blew it up. I would argue she has the highest battle IQ in the series. Up there with Zaheer. Team avatar could not touch her when she had no bending. Kuvira is not getting her with a metal strap on the eyes. You wayyy over hype kuvira bro
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Ah, it seems you've fallen to Azula's plot contrivance hype instead of looking at her loses as well, particularly to Katara in the catacombs.
@Deined 7 ай бұрын
@@kylerholcomb229 Bruh, in what universe is Azula slept on??? She's generally overhyped as a nigh-unbeatable force among the Avatar fandom.
@julesw1516 7 ай бұрын
Hey nice to see your back you should do suki vs ty lee analysis
@kehinderufai7498 7 ай бұрын
You've done this before. And you were correct to pick Amon.
@noodler5583 7 ай бұрын
Awesome video, great to see these back again! One thing I wanted to comment on: I think the logic behind Yakone’s statement about their family’s power being genetic being fallible should also be applied to Katara stating that the reason she broke free from Hama is because her bending is more powerful. Katara stans cling to that line but realistically, Katara has no way of knowing what allowed her to break free, it’s not like she had some deep knowledge of bloodbending and how it works. We really don’t know what factors into somebody breaking free from bloodbending. It could be raw water bending power, it could be based on a character’s aptitude for blood bending, or it could be something entirely different given that we’ve seen non water benders escape before. Also, whether it makes sense or not, I think that Yakones statement about the ability being genetic is going to hold true. Psychic bloodbending at any time is just too unbalanced of an ability in the Avatar world. If that is something that is able to become commonplace similar to lightning or metal bending, it is just going to invalidate anyone who doesn’t have the ability. If we ever get to see avatars after Korra I won’t be surprised if bloodbending at any time is not something that other characters are able to do
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
In reality Katara's line is a blaring signal of plot convenience, contrivances, and plot armor. "I'm more powerful because the writers wrote me in a corner and they deem it so" is the true translation of that scene.
@itsxtray 7 ай бұрын
I wouldn't say we have no idea. The avatar state is a pure power boost and is what allowed Aang to break free lending credence to Katara's statement of power being the solution, seeing as Aang can't bloodbend so blood bending aptitude had nothing to do with it.
@noodler5583 7 ай бұрын
@@itsxtray katara said that it was based on waterbending though, and we’ve seen people who can’t waterbend break free before, which would take way from that statement
@itsxtray 7 ай бұрын
@@noodler5583 We've never seen anyone other than the avatar or another bloodbender "break free" of bloodbending. Mako moved his fingers a little which allowed him to shock Amon causing him to release the technique. He didn't just over power Amon's bloodbending if he'd done that he'd have been moving freely like when Katara overpowered Hama.
@noodler5583 7 ай бұрын
@@itsxtray Korra wasn’t using the avatar state to free herself though, which is how Aang did it, and she also didn’t have access to waterbending at the time
@dantemitsoyu977 7 ай бұрын
This is where it all started with you Can’t wait to get back
@Djenzh 5 ай бұрын
Ooohh Nice video! Are you going to redo all the other vs videos too? Or just the Avatar vs videos? Or something else?
@AntoineBandele 5 ай бұрын
Just Avatar. I no longer cover anything else on the channel.
@OkairMcLaren 7 ай бұрын
Katara should have learned bloodbending as it could've been used to elevate her healing even more. She was only looking at the bad sides to the technique and completely neglected the good that it can achieve.
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Indeed.
@zeph6736 7 ай бұрын
And she could have taught Korra bloodbending. Imagine an avatar with bloodbending
@milklord_ 7 ай бұрын
Maybe they can touch on this in the next avatar
@Wright805 7 ай бұрын
Bloodbending is like the dark side of the Force; it exerts a malign, corrupting influence on the psyches of those who use it. Even if one tries to put it to altruistic purposes, repeated usage of bloodbending will cause the user to become homicidal and sadistic. So no. Katara did the right thing by rejecting and outlawing bloodbending. Any good it can achieve is short-term only and eventually it will lead to suffering. Again, just like the dark side of the Force.
@Wendeta-hq2cp 7 ай бұрын
@@milklord_ Is there a next avatar though?
@ManuraAriyathilake 7 ай бұрын
I personally don't see a power creep issue with Yakone's bloodline having the ability to blood bend without the full moon, I think the implication is pretty strong that they are just some genetic freaks when it comes to water bending strength, and this is unique to them, in my opinion there's no reason to think that just any powerful water bender could do it, saying Yakone is just naturally stronger, while true, i think is an understatement, he is more like a freak of nature. Edit: Individuals that break the rules of magic can be a really cool way to make a terrifying villain, which is definitely the case with LoK's bloodbenders!
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
While I don't disagree with the basis of your comment, what I take issue with is that its seems Mike and Bryan are sort of fixated on the storyline of outliers (in terms of power and power levels). In Book 2, it led to Cosmic Korra and Unavaatu. In Book 3, it led to unassisted flight with Zaheer (and the outlier abilities all his homies had). In Book 4, it led to a giant mech. I just don't want to see them constantly tell those sorts of stories. Every time they do, it diminishes the overall magic, in my opinion. It's true that the base idea of that freak of nature is terrifying, and I still think Amon is quite terrifying as a character. But that idea has diminishing returns.
@ManuraAriyathilake 7 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele Yeah I can definitely see what you mean! a few more lines of dialogue could have done some heavy lifting in terms of explaining it in a way more aligned with serving to expand the magic system (maybe have it written so that their blood line was once blessed by a spirit long ago and as a result they have a permanent connection to the full moon something like that), while I do love moon-less blood bending and unassisted flight, cosmic korra, unavaatu and the mech are really pushing it lol. Unrelated but I'd like to also add my 2 cents about something else in the video, where Yakone and Amon are scaled very similarly, they're the top 2 no doubt about it but I'd argue specifically that Yakone is much more powerful, mainly due to the courtroom scene, Tarrlok says that his father stopped training him after Noatak ran away, resulting in Tarrlok only knowing how to blood bend with his hands. (My Headcanon) Noatak also probably didn't train much either, in terms of power atleast, if he had continued training it's more than likely that he would surpass Yakone's power by miles but I believe he never reached that point, his hatred for bending would discourage him from grinding his power, leading to him instead surpassing his father in skill, learning to sever chi paths, and do subtle blood bending to throw other benders off. Though Amon was never in a situation where blood bending 63 people at once would be a good idea, I personally doubt that he is capable of anything close to that :P
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
It’s more logical, in my opinion, to say Amon is closer to Yakone (or even his superior) than he is to Tarrlok in terms of power and skill.
@JuniorMarzy 8 күн бұрын
@@AntoineBandelekorra had poison and Zaheer with flight is still overrated as hell. And doesn’t compare to most top tier benders still.
@Fatman.skibidi 7 ай бұрын
Please continue these videos 🙏❤
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
I will. I may do them more slowly since they don’t garner views like they used to, though.
@Fatman.skibidi 7 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele thank you for going for quality over views! Btw I love your vids 😍
@ShivamKumar-ym9ek 7 ай бұрын
the verses matches are very underrated and i really liked the verses matches. sad i couldn't watch the stream
@GlitchedFire 7 ай бұрын
That evidence was solid, and your videos are accurate. Now I know Amon is the winner
@korrazula 7 ай бұрын
katara cant break from his grip regardless if she has a full moon, amon slams in seconds 😂😂
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Correct. Both benders would be elevated by the full moon so there would be no difference in the outcome with or without the full moon.
@Rando_180 2 ай бұрын
Explain?
@adamtremblay9126 7 ай бұрын
Second. Ahhhhhh finally I've waited so long for this moment. I got into versus series over a year ago. Finallyyyyyyyy.... One of the big names in versus is releasing a vs video that I get to witness the moment it comes out. I've waited so long for this. U can bet I will be at this premiere. Also, side note, please include P'li into this series some time. U said u were interested, and it would be so amazing if you did. Putting her only against combustion man leaves so much interesting stuff unexplored. HYPE BEYOND.... IDK I JUST CANT WAIT WOOO SEE YALL TOMORROW AT 3:30!!
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Yes! I plan on doing the Versus Series continually now, especially with Avatar coming back in a big way. Next up after this: Azula vs Kuvira (I already got the thumbnail art done and everything).
@Dark.Paradise 7 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandeleKeep it going fs
@Wes_Bradley-Taubner 7 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandelethis person recommended you use P’Li. And a few months ago I recommended P’Li vs Jianzhu and you told me to remind you to do that match one day. You called it the needle vs the storm.
@vetarlittorf1807 7 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandeleNow that Kyoshi has been fully fleshed out, do you plan on a Kyoshi vs Aang video?
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
What I want to go back to is Kyoshi vs Aang.
@kevin_dee_goat2016 3 ай бұрын
I'd like to see your review of Amon vs yakone if by any chance you get the time to go through it. Thsnks❤
@HiddenPowerIce 3 ай бұрын
That's an unfair question. Katara in the series has 9 months of experience and Amon has many years. Also Katara is a child in the series while Amon is 40 in the LOK and he is in his prime.
@cricketnow374 15 күн бұрын
womp womp
@JuniorMarzy 8 күн бұрын
The age doesn’t matter in Tlok at age 42 when Aang is 40 she still can’t blood bend without the full moon. Or psychically. @HiddenPowerIce. We know this cause of Yakone trial.
@foodmanelman 7 ай бұрын
Something I've not thought about, a lot of the characters in ATLA don't usually push their limits in bending, they had to face against crafty threats like Azula and Company, or were crafty theirselves. Katara didn't need to train her bloodbending, but if the war had gone on and gone terrible (What if Ozai used the comet to lead an arial assault on the Northern Water Tribe? Or if Team Avatar never caught on the Fire Lord's Phoenix King Plan?)
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Yooo Dark Timeline Katara would be nuts!
@J.B2005 6 ай бұрын
Antoine how often are you going to be uploading these videos?
@AntoineBandele 6 ай бұрын
Considering they take a very long time to produce and don’t generate a lot of revenue, I’d say… one every two months. I’m working in the script for Azula vs Kuvira next week.
@vetabeta9890 7 ай бұрын
i used to watch your videos all the time in middle school i’m so happy this series is returning, maybe one of the next episodes could feature azula considering her comic comes out this week, maybe comic azula vs zuko or azula vs kuvira is one mentioned a lot
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Next match is Azula vs Kuvira.
@itsxtray 7 ай бұрын
@AntoineBandele Your previous Kuvira vs Azula battle was my favorite vs battle of yours, so I'm looking forward to that.
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, it's a good one. Such good fighters, such great styles. Such a close matchup.
@ggsmrdoink 7 ай бұрын
i legit saw a comment that went "what can amon do against katara's bloodbending" 💀
@Wes_Bradley-Taubner 7 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣 What can Superman do against Spider-Man’s punches.
@jessesamuel1580 2 ай бұрын
cause he can’t do anything
@user-mh9ed7vo8p Ай бұрын
Who said this joke😂😂😂😂
@user-mh9ed7vo8p Ай бұрын
@@jessesamuel1580yeah right 😏
@jessesamuel1580 Ай бұрын
@@user-mh9ed7vo8p wanna debate it?
@RandomGuy93543 7 ай бұрын
Amon no diffs Katara,Amon is just way better in bloodbending and is way more talented in that regard
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
I'd say more trained, not more talented. That's if we're basing off that fact that Katara picked up waterbending in mere weeks after getting a master (maybe even days), and learned bloodbending in a single night (which is ridiculous from a logical standpoint).
@ThatsCrazy482 7 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandeleNoatak Bloodbended on his first try during a full moon at a much younger age after he got basic waterbending training, which Katara already had prior to her Bloodbending. Amon is definitely the most talented Bloodbender, with Katara being the most talented Waterbender.
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
A bit of a misconception. Bloodbending is waterbending.
@ThatsCrazy482 7 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele It is, and it isn't. Sorry if I misunderstood, but your point was that a very skilled waterbender can Bloodbend. A very skilled and probably the most talented earthbender like Toph couldnt even lavabend, whereas a much less talented earthbender, Bolin, was capable of it, even though lavabending is a much rarer subskill. So even if Amon is a master Bloodbender, being a master at a sub doesn't exactly mean being the best at the main element.
@soullessgaijin9723 7 ай бұрын
is the revamp of the vs series going to be more wide spread on fandoms or will it be abit contained like back in the day
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Avatar Only. I’d like to have Mass Effect and Harry Potter back. But they’re both kind of dead series right now.
@soullessgaijin9723 7 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele hey I can live with your Avatar Arena for the time being and I'm sure you'll hit back with the others especially with the Harry Potter show around the corner and a fandom getting those Ben 10 levels of spontaneous resurgence
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Yeah. I can see me getting back into HP with new show.
@anthonyrodriguez8788 7 ай бұрын
Awesome video I will add two feat you missed when counting water spouts. 1. When Korra created a massive Water Spout while trying to save the Republic City Navy 2. When Korra was getting chased by Unalaqs kids she created an air spout to dodge one of their attacks, then she turned the Air Spout into Water Spout which she then expanded into a massive AOE attack that hit both twins.
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
I left those out because they were redundant. I was giving examples of _different_ characters using water spouts, not the same character using it multiple times.
@anthonyrodriguez8788 7 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele fair enough
@milklord_ 7 ай бұрын
Blood bending is skill based but if two opponents are both skilled enough to do it then whoever is the stronger waterbender will determjne who is better at bloodbending Also I feel katara likely never wouldve learned bloodbending if hama didnt teach her so no matter how powerful a wayerbender is they still have to learn how to bloodbend
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Yup. My exact thoughts.
@Rando_180 2 ай бұрын
But katara is the only character in the series who never “learned how to bloodbend”. Amon needed practice and started at the full moon. Katara did it with no practice and resisted with no practice. She definitely has the higher ability in water bending. She’s undoubtedly the strongest base water bender in the series as a teenager🤣!
@milklord_ 2 ай бұрын
@@Rando_180 amon needed practice to do it without a full moon with a full moon he might have gotten it first try And since blood bending goes against kataras moral compass we don't have many blood bending feats from her and we don't have very many normal water bending feats from amon so it's hard to compare the 2
@Rando_180 2 ай бұрын
@@milklord_ Scenes definitely show him and his brother needing multiple sessions of training.
@milklord_ 2 ай бұрын
@@Rando_180 the first scene we see them blood bending noatok already has a pretty decent grasp on blood bending and he says every full moon they go on supposed "hunting trips", so it's still possible that he got blood bending first try but only mastered it after multiple sessions on these hunting trips
@LieutenantByrd 7 ай бұрын
My moneys on Amon, Katara is the best waterbender in general but "I fear not the man who has practiced 10k kicks once" right?
@yashaoftheflames8475 7 ай бұрын
I think a fun cross verse battle you could do Amon vs Choso from jjk. There's a decent amount similarities between them.
@avatarmufasa3628 7 ай бұрын
Been a long time coming this video. I remember those discord debates. The despair on feat scaling was unbearable, just because of how counter intuitive it is when comparing how we assess competition in real life
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
This is hopefully the last of that. Can’t think of many other matchups, besides the cosmic forces, that rely on pure power. The next one, Azula vs Kuvira, will be far more interesting.
@wolfsbanealphas617 7 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandeleazula she can change the direction of her lighting
@zkvids7451 5 ай бұрын
He clears Katara! People saying Katara are absolutely braindead because they have no idea how powerful Amon is than her! Katara is so damn overrated lmao!
@Swahili14 7 күн бұрын
Tf is wrong with you loosers KATARA's one of the best written characters of all time 😂 Katara solos Amon Get a job weirdo
@Aurelian_-vu3yz 7 ай бұрын
Agree with you regarding Katara being a pretty unrealistic prodigy. Though there are some cases where prodigy’s progress at an exponentially fast rate and then hit their peak very early on. I think too many people assume Katara would continue to progress that fast as she aged, when in reality I think she was near her peak at the end of the series.
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
People make that same assumption of Aang's ascension. And what we can see from the comics, both Katara and Aang have largely plateaued (which makes sense).
@Omdom4200 7 ай бұрын
Anyone who hasnt read the novels spoiler alert at 11 mins in!! Youve been warned ish 😅😂 loving the video so far tho🎉
@vetarlittorf1807 7 ай бұрын
Does this mean the Versus series are officially back?
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Yup yup!
@vetarlittorf1807 7 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandeleDoes that mean we might get to see Jaden Korr vs Ezra Bridger one day? Or Boba Fett vs Predator? Or Canderous Ordo vs Sabine Wren? Or Sub-Zero vs Korra?
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
This will tell you what’s what with Star Wars on the channel: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sK1zhpmV1bC0hpc.html
@vetarlittorf1807 7 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandeleAh. That's a shame. So just Avatar then?
@keyframeclips 4 ай бұрын
There are a few parts of the logic I have issues with. 1. Bloodbending doesn’t have to be only determined by power or skill, they aren’t mutually exclusive and realistically it would take a significant amount of skill to manipulate a body, I believe there’s also a creator quote supporting this by discussing the natural chi field that people have around them and that it’s much more difficult than just bending an open body of water. I don’t think a quote is really needed to come to that conclusion though. My point being blood bending prowess would be measured on a mix of skill and power. 2. Amon’s water bending: I generally agree that Amon is likely still a great water bender but his blood bending abilities are not necessarily a direct representation of his overall water bending. That’s like saying someone who is the best at handling a basketball and moving around the court is undeniably the best basketball player. 3. Blood bending resistance: something that wasn’t discussed is the fact that all shown blood bending feats are surprise feats. So, when discussing the ability to break out of a blood bending grip, most people who are victim to it have never experienced it before and would have no reasonable response. The only people to fully break from a grip have been trained blood benders, excluding avatar state conditions. Point being it’s more reasonable that Katara would be able to break the grip than given credit for. Even Amon took a moment of struggle to break free. You mentioned Korra breaking free due to damage from Mako but the fact that Mako was able to resist enough to shoot lightning in the first place while not being a water bender and having no prior blood bending done on him before this fight shows that there’s more to resisting it than just water bending prowess. Additionally, Amon’s most powerful or skillful uses of blood bending, describe it how you will, being when he completely rag dolls the target where done while bending with his hands. That is to say, Mako was able to resist Amon’s best blood bending technique while Amon hadn’t received any damage before this moment aside from being gently pushed off the stage. 4. Aside from Korra being able to air bend after her bending being removed essentially being a plot hole, you make a will power argument for her being able to break out but against katara being able to which is contradictory. Ultimately I still think it would be a very difficult fight but closer than most give credit for. Blood bending at this level clearly broke the power system which is why Amon had to be eliminated the way he was.
@ZETA_FOX 4 ай бұрын
Something that wasn't mentioned that I think is also worth noting is the time it took for Katara to learn how to bloodbend vs Amon. From the flashback, it's said that it took Among awhile to learn how to bloodbend. While he undoubtedly became immensely powerful with it, Katara learned the skill enough to overpower Hama in a matter of minutes. And then was able to continue to do so. Katara was also bloodbending humans right out the gate, while Amon and all other bloodbenders (hard to say for Yakone, but for at least 3 of the 5) had to start on animals and work their way up to humans, which took years. While the Yakone bloodline is at a much higher skillset for bloodbending than the other bloodbenders, Katara was able to learn the skill faster than anyone. Just some food for thought that I haven't seen anyone mention about Katara's bloodbending skills.
@keyframeclips 4 ай бұрын
@@ZETA_FOX That’s true, I’ve seen a few people bring that up to some degree. I think blood bending a person right away is a significant feat though for sure based one the progression that has been shown. While Amon is undoubtedly overpowered, he’s not unbeatable. People have come to the conclusion he’s impossible to defeat when the show has proven that to not be the case.
@JuniorMarzy 8 күн бұрын
It’s not close at all😂
@JuniorMarzy 8 күн бұрын
@@ZETA_FOXno she will never compare to them😂 I think you need to rewatch Tlok and look at Yakone/Amon😂
@JuniorMarzy 8 күн бұрын
@@keyframeclipsKatara doesn’t beat him and he is more unbeatable than she is 😂
@ambrosekillpack4841 7 ай бұрын
I think Katara could win on a very slim technicality. If bloodbending is infact majorly cognitively based, she could catch him very early on and give him some kind of brain damage like a concussion or a stroke and destroy his bloodbending ability instantly, or atleast severely impair it to where she has a fighting chance.
@adrianoc.hartmann9453 5 ай бұрын
Man I´d love to discuss with you some rankings and match ups you`re very smart and I believe we think alike (Not 100% tho)
@pavanmulani9567 7 ай бұрын
Antoine do you think you’ll continue the sibling tournament?
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
At some point, yes!
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
I just keep forgetting about it.
@Jayboy509 4 ай бұрын
It is not fair to compare Katara with Amon without knowing how much Katara would have grown since then. Also it is very inaccurate to say she needs full moon to bloodbend when she and zuko were on the hunt to find than that killed her mother in her rage and ange she blood bended of the the firelord captains in BROAD DAYLIGHT!!!.. therefore she had a lot of potential to bloodbend however she choose not to. She would have grown/matured a lot since then by the time Amon was around.
@AntoineBandele 4 ай бұрын
Katara’s age is irrelevant. She loses via bloodbending at any age. This is because of the Yakone court case, which made it known that bloodbending without the full moon was not a common thing, meaning Katara never did it without the full moon. Nor did Katara elevate her bending to the level of psychic bloodbending like Yakone and Amon. The family line are simply more powerful raw waterbenders (again, remember that bloodbending is waterbending, it’s not some entirely new form of bending).
@jasonmoukala8909 2 ай бұрын
That wasn’t broad daylight. It was still a full moon
@Markus2E5I6 7 ай бұрын
I don't get how Katara's training/mastery is unrealistic when Yakone bloodbent 60 people without a full moon and with no movement. That doesn't feel like it belongs in the avatar universe, seems too superpower-ish rather than martial arts that bending is supposed to be rooted in. Even when Bumi earthbended when locked up he still moved his head and it wasn't some big bending but rather him bending rocks to break the cage. Also the excuse of strong bloodbending genes doesn't make sense. He looks the same age as Toph/Aang/Sokka. Hama was the creator, Katara was her first student and Katara never taught it to anyone. So where is this bloodbending generation coming from? He's too old enough for there to be generations of bloodbending and there's no way for him to be descended from one unless he's secretly descended from Katara
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Because Katara becomes a master in the space of a few months. Yakone mastered his form over bloodbending over the course of his life. And his sons didn't master it for several years. That's why.
@jonathandoherty9082 7 ай бұрын
Id honestly say, outside of avatars, Psychic bloodbenders are the most op and broken characters in the verse
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
They are 😞 entirely broken.
@custerfriesen652 3 ай бұрын
I have been a high fan of Katara ever since I first saw her on the screen. So I'm gonna say this, Katara was much more powerful in her young adult life during the time when Yakone was around, and let's not forget that waterbending is powered by our Emotions. Which means that if she saw that Aang was in trouble and couldn't get out of it, she would come charging in with a tsunami at her back n call. It's a fact, she can break out of Amon's grip and she would give him the fight of his life. No one messes with Katara.
@B.G_Laser 7 ай бұрын
Amon is better
@Dark.Paradise 7 ай бұрын
I feel like Katara’s morality held her back from her ultimate peak, she learns so fast and her with bloodbending would be one of the best benders in the world
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Certainly. Based on her previous showings, if she trained, she should have been capable of psychic bloodbending.
@MajorieHarvey 7 ай бұрын
It's only 2 in the world at the same time. Yakone and Katara. Amon and Tarrlock wasn't born yet.
@mochiyeosang1908 7 ай бұрын
@@MajorieHarvey except katara was still alive
@JuniorMarzy 5 ай бұрын
That’s a reach she learned fast cause main character plot
@JuniorMarzy 5 ай бұрын
@@mochiyeosang1908 and she’s 86 though and can hardly walk
@dwayne6479 7 ай бұрын
One thing I got from this video is avatars can most likely (if they wanted to) bloodbend using the avatar state
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
One would think so!
@younqzoe 3 ай бұрын
cani a get a end game aang vs endgame katara, ive been debating tis for 3 years now and still, now one has made a vidoe on it
@arielmichel2099 7 ай бұрын
R.I.P. Katara! 😢 You will be missed.
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
I don't think Amon would kill her. He actually didn't kill anyone in LOK (that we know). He just took their bending and went about his revolution.
@arielmichel2099 7 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele True.
@Wright805 7 ай бұрын
Why do people keep forgetting that Katara's boyfriend/husband can restore bending?
@ThatsCrazy482 7 ай бұрын
Spoiler Alert: Amon wins
@jessesamuel1580 7 ай бұрын
katara slams
@ThatsCrazy482 7 ай бұрын
@@jessesamuel1580 Cope
@korrazula 7 ай бұрын
@@jessesamuel1580 amon folds katara up like a pretzel in seconds (quite literally)
@Eh......... 7 ай бұрын
@@jessesamuel1580stop
@dantemitsoyu977 7 ай бұрын
@@jessesamuel1580delete
@peytoncrome9387 7 ай бұрын
I will say for the most I agree the big things that I think should have been covered is that Yue personally knows her and has been shown to help the group before such as when Aang runs of in season 3 and potentially in the swamp. Not only that but also katara was not necessarily taught blood bending she unlocked it on her own and on her first showing over powered a master in it. While I definitely think Katara would struggle to win I don’t think it’s a one sided stomp for Amon t. As katara is the fast improving bender in the whole series. And was able to teach Aang mere weeks after learning herself. And I think a fire bender being able to land a hit under his hood speaks volumes for a character already aware of how to break a blood bending grips in the narrative. Unless you consider both times his hold gets broke that episode complete deus ex machina.
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
It's an extremely steep uphill battle for Katara. She's not just facing off against bloodbending when it comes to Amon. She's dealing with a non-full moon version of bloodbending, for one. And psychic bloodbending at that, for two.
@CCstarss777 3 ай бұрын
I wanna become a bloodbender
@veganjotaro 7 ай бұрын
This made me curious, why was katara absent in a blood benders trial, was it for plot convenience or was there a legitimate reason stated in TLOK that I forgot about?
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
No explanation in the lore.
@noodler5583 7 ай бұрын
Not really a reason for her to be there. She was never established to be involved in the judicial process, unlike Sokka, Toph, and Aang whose reasons for being there were all related to their job
@Wes_Bradley-Taubner 7 ай бұрын
Aang: “Honey, imma need you to pick the kids up from school. I got a court hearing to go to” Maybe.
@Wright805 7 ай бұрын
Seems pretty obvious to me. She was looking after her children.
@Swahili14 6 ай бұрын
@@Wes_Bradley-Taubner LMAO I believed if Katara showed up, it'd be super cool to see Katara kick ass of the first bloodbending trespassers
@soulsuckingginger7535 7 ай бұрын
I still think that because the precedent has been established that Katara can resist blloodbending, it puts reasonable doubt that Amon can control katara at all. Katara doesn't need to bloodbend amon, she just needs to avoid him controlling her. After that, its a simple analysis of their feats and abilities with normal waterbending, which is heavily skewed in kataras' favor
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
There’s a pretty large chasm between Amon and Katara as bloodbenders: full moon requirement from Katara and Amon elevating the ability to psychic bending.
@soulsuckingginger7535 7 ай бұрын
@AntoineBandele yes, but she doesn't have to outmatch him in bloodbending, she merely has to hold off his own bloodbending which I would argue is easier than bloodbending someone else because your own blood is far easier to sense and control than someone else's. Side note: I'm so glad your bringing back vs videos they were my favorite thing on your channel even when I (very rarely) disagree with your outcome
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
If holding off bloodbending were that simple, Tarrlok would have done it when he faced off against Amon. And Tarrlok is a superior bloodbender over Katara.
@soulsuckingginger7535 7 ай бұрын
@AntoineBandele Tarlok also wasn't expecting it. He didn't know who Amon was and didn't know he was a bloodbender, he didn't realize it until after Amon took his bending. I'm assuming Katara has knowledge of Amon here
@avatarmufasa3628 7 ай бұрын
@@soulsuckingginger7535 He still tried to assert his dominance as much as possible over multiple seconds. This wasnt a blink and miss it moment. Its also clear from Yakones commentary that Amon was just better than Tarlok. The narrative of the story demands that we accept Amon as the superior brother here
@blaringsea8923 7 ай бұрын
Didn't you already do this match up years ago?
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
0:47
@bensonfang1868 Ай бұрын
19:19 a reminder that creating a waterspout of that size without hands is something only korra, Unalaq, and master pakku with a full moon have been able to do
@JuniorMarzy 8 күн бұрын
The full moon doesn’t give you new moves it enhances them. You think Pakku didn’t know how to do the full moon for 80 years until the full moon
@willcooper8028 7 ай бұрын
Amon clearly possesses greater blood bending skills due to his unique experience, training, and lineage, but I do not buy that for a second that he is the stronger water bender overall
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Being a greater bloodbender means you are a greater raw waterbender. They aren’t two separate things.
@ThatsCrazy482 7 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandeleSo is Bolin a greater raw earth bender than Toph? Since he can perform a rare and advanced technique known as lavabending whereas Toph can't?
@whocares6757 6 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandeleI think you are conflating individual skills with overall waterbending power.
@green2869 3 ай бұрын
Amon has to be a stronger waterbender if he’s a stronger bloodbender, waterbending is literally the prerequisite of bloodbending. The same way you have to be a good mathematician in order to be a good physicist.
@whocares6757 3 ай бұрын
@green2869 not necessarily. For instance there are only two explosion Benders as far as We Know and one of them has to be the strongest explosion Bender what does it mean that the strongest Firebender overall.
@pandahead2241 7 ай бұрын
I think their are a few factors that weren’t discussed in your video. First of all, something that everyone can agree on, Amon and Katara were both forced to learn blood bending. Katara had no intention of wanting to learn it, however, and if I remember right, Amon didn’t want to either, which was why he ran away. Continuing on, Katara had to learn waterbending faster than any other waterbender and she also tried to teach herself as a child. Her bending is also charged by her emotions, which is how she’s able to free Aang from the iceberg. It may seem as though she’s a gifted protegy by the time they reach the North Pole, but really she’s been practicing the entire journey, whether to help other’s or to fight Zuko. So after some real training it would seem only natural that she would be a literal force of nature. And I say that about Toph and team avatar Zuko too because they all had challenges to overcome in different forms. Anyways, by the time book 3 came around, and Katara defeated the puppet master, I always believed she had a little help, and no, I don’t mean Aang or Sokka. To recap real quick, Hama used the two of them to make Katara bloodbend. However, when Katara originally breaks out of Hama’s bloodbending, I remember her and saying something along the lines of “You aren’t the only one who draws power from the moon.” Which leads me to believe that bloodbending in general is useless against Katara because Yue, who gave her life up to save the moon spirit, gave her the power to be immune to bloodbending. Katara’s character as a whole is rather willful, so even though it seems a little over powered, I never considered it much of a stretch that Yue would give her that kind of power. I also noticed that she wasn’t in that courtroom when everyone else was bloodbended, including Aang. I believe if Katara (age 17 as you said) thought someone was in danger from Amon, then she would be able to find the strength to fight them with blood bending, leaving him blind sighted. If my theory about Yue helping her with some kind of hidden gift is accurate, then Amon could try bloodbending back and nothing would happen. Then it would depend on pure waterbending skill. Just my thoughts though. Sorry this got so long! Have a nice day!
@mrmmooseplays3764 6 ай бұрын
Kinda crazy that he skipped this comment and it’s one of the most logical ones 👀
@pandahead2241 6 ай бұрын
@@mrmmooseplays3764 wow. First time any of my comments have ever been called logical! Besides, it’s only been eleven days. Maybe he’s just busy and hasn’t noticed my theory.
@mrmmooseplays3764 6 ай бұрын
@@pandahead2241 Hmm I hope so, I’m really interested to see his reaction to this theory, cuz it could change the entire match up completely.
@pandahead2241 6 ай бұрын
@@mrmmooseplays3764 That is true. I’m also sure a younger Katara could beat Amon. Just like I’m sure metelbending master Toph could destroy Kuvira. But as it was said… “Sometimes you just got to leave it to the kids.” That might not be exactly right, but close enough, I would say.
@pandahead2241 6 ай бұрын
@@mrmmooseplays3764 huh… I guess he just doesn’t want to respond. I must have been skipped because this means Katara, whom he admits he’s biased against, would actually have a shot at winning. As a fan of ATLA, I applaud my fan and my logical (sounds weird when I say it) opinion. Thank you! Thank you! You’re too kind! 💜😏🥹😉😍😊🙃🥰😃🙂
@GlitchedFire 7 ай бұрын
This picture looks so good, though I feel bad for Katara because she's being bloodbended
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
The artist did a wonder job! Check out their Twitter in the description box!
@emmanuelsebi6964 7 ай бұрын
Hope you do Unalaq vs Tenzin bc i feel like season 2 robbed us of that fight when Unalaq was spiritually corrupting Jinora and manipulating Korra
@Wes_Bradley-Taubner 7 ай бұрын
Pre or Post Fusion?
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
That would be a fun one. I think what I'll do is this... ATLA character vs LOK character, followed by another ATLA vs LOK, then ATLA vs ATLA, then LOK vs LOK.
@Flipitmixit 7 ай бұрын
Uhm Amon? Katara is the most well rounded Waterbender Ever But she's still not as strong as Amon
@MajorieHarvey 7 ай бұрын
She isn't she has no feats to beat him at all.
@adamwolf9419 7 ай бұрын
Katara in my opinion has perhaps the most raw potential of any character in the franchise in terms of her ability to quickly learn and master bending abilities. If she hadn’t outlawed bloodbending I think she could definitely have reached or perhaps even surpassed Yakone and Amon in terms of power. It’s a bit of a shame she didn’t embrace bloodbending.
@Eh......... 7 ай бұрын
Bloodbending = something very wicked only a cold blooded, careless and ruthless (at the very least, an anti hero) would do. Its not so Katara like to just bloodbend here and there, and be proud of it. You need to rewatch a show
@Eh......... 7 ай бұрын
it only makes sense she would put a stop to bloodbending altogether, knowing how one can control the other, and additionally causing them pain in the locked state, that it makes so much sense for it to be outlawed. I don't see any shame Katara denying this power, because again, thats not who she is, why would she embrace a quite literally an evil power? You definitely need to rewatch a show, perhaps 2 times. I've read your messages about medical situations, well guess what, we have had 3 bloodbenders in Korra, and what did they do? yeah people wouldn't fall in line to train their bloodbending for medicine. Society is society. And even then, bloodbending should have been allowed only exclusive to doctors and people providing first aid, but it didn't
@adamwolf9419 7 ай бұрын
@@Eh......... I’m not saying she didn’t make the right choice in outlawing bloodbending. She definitely did considering the actions of every other bloodbender in the franchise. I am simply saying I think she could have reached the Yakone/Amon level had she chosen to embrace bloodbending. I definitely agree with you that it’s very unlikely she ever would make said choice, though I don’t think it’s completely out of the question if she were given the proper motivation. Additionally, when I said it was a shame I more meant that I think it is a shame that the potential positive benefits of bloodbending weren’t explored either by her or another person assuming other factors like a non-selfish bloodbender and societal acceptance could be met. Maybe Katara could have been that non-selfish bloodbender, but of course like we both agree it really isn’t in her character to embrace such an ability. The idea overall is based more on the grounds of me wanting to see the extents to which things like bending and in-universe technologies can be utilized rather than making sense in regards to character morals. In our own world, some of humanity’s greatest innovations have come from unexpected sources, and that same idea can be applied to the Avatar universe.
@Wes_Bradley-Taubner 7 ай бұрын
Katara is very talented, but nobody gives zaheer credit for what he accomplished. Katara had waterbending for like a year and by the end of ATLA she had a bit of training from Pakku and months to develop her waterbending. Zaheer had a few weeks of self taught airbending and yet he was able to unlock a subbending ability that hadn’t been seen for millennia and was able to battle against poisoned avatar state Korra. I think katara takes zaheer in a fight, but with what he accomplished in a few weeks, he’s definitely the most talented
@adamwolf9419 7 ай бұрын
@@Wes_Bradley-Taubner your right I totally forgot Zaheer’s natural talent. I’m a little disappointed in myself for missing that. He deserves way more credit than he gets. 100% self taught airbender over the course of just two weeks (completely in the dark too since there was no visible in his prison cell and the door only opened for shift changes every few weeks), and he was still able to hold his own for a while against an airbending master like Tenzin and Avatar state Korra.
@pyroflamekid7412 5 ай бұрын
Ooh pls do Katara vs Unalaq. Theres this notion that katara can just beat any non avatar charcter(I've seen people say she could beat ozai). I Kinda feel like unalaq wins but it would stil be diffcult. Basically he wins more times than not.
@JuniorMarzy 5 ай бұрын
I agree Unalaq wins
@AntoineBandele 5 ай бұрын
Unalaq definitely gets downplayed for sure. But I may hold off on that one until the movie drops.
@treblazer 7 ай бұрын
I want a Zuko Sword bending fight, perhaps against Master Piandao
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Hopefully we can get some new sword characters to have more of that going on.
@tejasmurali1656 7 ай бұрын
Katara wins for me. Just like Amon was able to throw off Tarlok's blood bending, Katara was able to throw off Hama's and that too without any prior knowledge or practice. If Katara is able to overcome Amon's grip of blood bending, then between the two waterbenders, Katara wins hands down.
@Flipitmixit 7 ай бұрын
Katara was being powered by the full moon and was fighting a physically weaker 105 year old woman
@kingd_6969 7 ай бұрын
@@Flipitmixit Toph was old and still killing it as a bender, Same goes for Zuko and Bumi, Iroh, Pakku.. The list goes on. A pro will always be a pro! regardless of their age. So yeah Katara did that! She owned her victory hands down! 💯
@Flipitmixit 7 ай бұрын
@@kingd_6969 My point is due to her youth ,prodigiousness and the full moon Katara was able to overpower a person who hadnt been in real combat for ages. How would that apply to Amon? A man who can bloodbend without the moon by looking at you and can take your bending away.
@kingd_6969 7 ай бұрын
@@Flipitmixit Oh please. That woman was besting Katara before Katara got control of the fight much later. Dont forget that even with the help of Aang and Sokka, Hama was still dishing strategic attacks if not that Katara had overpowered her with blood bending. Bumi is a good example of that same as the red lotus who were locked for a long time and when they escaped it didnt stop, limit or alter their bending abilities. Same goes for Hama, cause if she was that easy ? Katara would've easily taken her down. King bumi was 115 and still damn skilled !
@ThatsCrazy482 7 ай бұрын
You do realize Katara was able to do that because her Bloodbending was superior to Hama's... That doesn't make Katara's Bloodbending superior to Amon's. If she wants to win, she needs to have a stronger Bloodbending grip, to which she doesnt have as Amon is the strongest Bloodbender in the verse.
@jessesamuel1580 7 ай бұрын
katara wins
@Wes_Bradley-Taubner 7 ай бұрын
Good luck finding proof of katara resisting bloodbending from someone as powerful as Amon without a full moon.
@Nah_id_win_883 7 ай бұрын
Amon absolutly bullies katara
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Usually this would be the point where I'd say, I agree she'd win X/10 times, but unfortunately without some sort of plot contrivance, I don't see a scenario where Katara wins a straight up 1v1 against Amon with no outside distractions.
@jessesamuel1580 7 ай бұрын
@@Nah_id_win_883 disgustingly wrong
@jessesamuel1580 7 ай бұрын
@@Wes_Bradley-Taubner why would she win without a full moon???
@dahvongregg45 7 ай бұрын
underrated
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
🤔
@dahvongregg45 7 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele your channel I mean
@JuniorMarzy 5 ай бұрын
If you have time and feel like it how about Tonraq vs Kya they both seem to be on par with each other and both have limited feats
@AntoineBandele 5 ай бұрын
Ooo. Very nice matchup. I just know it wouldn’t get many clicks on KZfaq 😞
@JuniorMarzy 5 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele I love Tlok benders fighting style,bending and choreography so much it’s next level Atla their style is too slow for me
@AvatarLover6074 7 ай бұрын
Y’all over rate Amon
@jessesamuel1580 7 ай бұрын
fr
@Wes_Bradley-Taubner 7 ай бұрын
Doesn’t change the fact that katara has never resisted bloodbending from a stronger bloodbender without the full moon amping her
@MajorieHarvey 7 ай бұрын
Yall overrate atla characters
@MajorieHarvey 7 ай бұрын
@@jessesamuel1580and yall overrate atla characters
@AvatarLover6074 7 ай бұрын
@@MajorieHarvey no we don’t Atla is just better like that lok is still good but not the best
@DashTheKid02 7 ай бұрын
didnt you cover tgis in the past?
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
0:48
@fluffypets66 7 ай бұрын
Can you do korra vs the gaang
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
I don’t really mess with group fights. Too messy.
@fluffypets66 7 ай бұрын
@AntoineBandele i mean like each one individually like toph vs korra Korra vs zuko etc. U are right tho it messy 😅
@avatarmufasa3628 7 ай бұрын
@@fluffypets66 Then its just 1v1 fights so whats the point? If theye evenly matched enough to survive for 1 matchup to be decided. Then thta single matchup decides the fate of the rest like a domino effect. The only reason to consider this would be to consider teamwork, and that is super complicated and speculative, with people fighting as a group having different rules to fighting seperatly
@Wes_Bradley-Taubner 7 ай бұрын
I saw this Comic Vine forum recently about Poisoned Book 3 Avatar State Korra vs The Gaang (no Avatar State allowed for Aang). I found it pretty interesting.
@badreddinekasmi8919 7 ай бұрын
ITS BEEN 9 YEARS?????!!!!
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Right!?
@badreddinekasmi8919 7 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele I watched that video when I was 14. I barely even spoke English at that time, I'm 23 now. I would have sworn it was only 5 years ago at best. Time flies
@sumandark8600 7 ай бұрын
3/30 is 10%, and 1/30 is 3.33% (yes your point still stands, but just wanted to point out you were actually correct in the audio, and wrong with your "correction" text on screen)
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@lukaslambs5780 Ай бұрын
The amount of cope needed to think Katara even stands a chance against Amon is CRAZY
@AntoineBandele Ай бұрын
👆🏾
@Jacky_boy001 7 ай бұрын
To hammer out why context is important. sokka was the one who hit combustion man on the forehead with his boomerang, resulting in combustion man blowing up. When you take away that context, it makes it sound like sokka is more powerful than him. Yeah it sounds silly.
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Exactly!
@Killerwale-hk4wy 4 ай бұрын
Amon's water bending is probably worse, but he's a way better bloodbender, he can chi block and we don't even know how good of a waterbender he actually is. That tornade he pulls of is not a beginner move.
@AntoineBandele 4 ай бұрын
His waterbending power is probably better. We have no idea how to determine is waterbending skill though. So, on a technicality, Korra gets it there.
@gamerla-jiah1388 7 ай бұрын
such a while made video
@lamboking8able 2 ай бұрын
Funny enough we have the same name. Same spelling and all. Also you've probably already noticed but that's 3.33% not 0.0333% you forgot to move the decimal over. 25:38
@TheBreadLord_ 3 ай бұрын
Amon vs zaheer
@alimurtaza6318 3 ай бұрын
Ya amon wins, i think katara could give him some trouble only when its a full moon but have to remember if its full moon for her then its full moon for him too so ya amon wins.
@darmainedrake1262 2 ай бұрын
I can appreciate your perspective, however I do feel like you've also speculated quite a bit about amons bloodbending and bending ability being just stronger. There is no evidence to support that he is on Yakone's level in the show. If Yakone just got done blood bending 62 PEOPLE and the only reason aang was able to get out of it was the avatar state then how is amon on his level if Mako and Kora without avatar state able to break free after amon's also impressive but less so than Yakone's feet in the show. I feel the edge here is closer to Tarlaq being on Hama's level and Katara with proper intent on Amon's with the edge to Katara 6/10 as you said to katara because of other masteries of waterbending. I feel the only entity that has shown in the show to be above the others in ability of blood bending is Yakone for sure. the only thing I will speculate here is that the reason the writers would keep Katara out of the flashback is because she would possibly go unphased to the art given her affinity to the element. Katara is a true prodigy, that had to undergo the stress mostly masterless and more self taught than people giver her credit for as she trained the AVATAR to be an excellent waterbender therefore she herself had to be one. There are several parts in the show where Katara has been shown to overpower Azula as well given the correct technique. That's just my two cents but awesome video.
@Tarnthewarrior 7 ай бұрын
Didn't we see this before
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
0:48
@Tarnthewarrior 7 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele my oops
@ethancraig5853 7 ай бұрын
If you pitted Amon against a prime Katara, Katara violates him. Straight up, no doubt, demolishes his ass. The Yakone bloodline has a genetic trait that I believe simply works to raise their base power levels to insane heights. It has nothing to do with blood bending, inherently. That being said it makes blood bending without a full moon and even during the day much more possible. I believe that 17 yr old Katara loses to end of season 1 Amon. That being said, she is a child prodigy with immense potential. Take prime Katara, say early 30's. Close to peak physical condition (as in her age) and with another about 15 years of training. At this point she would be a more powerful base water bender than Amon. Hes got the genetics, but minimal "normal" (as in water and ice) waterbending training. Like I said, shes a child prodigy. This meaning she has both the genetics (although they may be slightly less powerful genetics than Amon) AND the training that Amon lacks. So base water bending, she wins. This means she wins overall. Period. End of story. If she is the more powerful base bender than she could break his hold with ease and beat him with little effort. All in all I agree that 17 yr old Katara vs end of season one Amon results in Katara's loss, but looking at both of their primes, Amon is done for. Trashed. Made into a pincushion, perhaps litteraly. Love the video and the artwork, cant wait to see more of the versus series!
@AntoineBandele 7 ай бұрын
Katara’s age is irrelevant. She loses via bloodbending at any age. This is because of the Yakone court case, which made it known that bloodbending without the full moon was not a common thing, meaning Katara never did it without the full moon. Nor did Katara elevate her bending to the level of psychic bloodbending like Yakone and Amon. The family line are simply more powerful raw waterbenders (again, remember that bloodbending is waterbending, it’s not some entirely new form of bending, which is explained in the video). Based on your comment, I’m not sure if you’ve gone through the whole video yet. All of your points were countered. Amon is the more powerful base waterbender, as well as Yakone and even Tarrlok.
@ethancraig5853 7 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele I did watch the whole video lol and I suppose alot of my points are countered because I believe that Katara could be a more powerful bender once she is older. I may be entirely wrong and debated it for a while before writing my original comment. While Amon is powerful, I believe that Katara has the potential to outmatch him. I'm probably biased as Amon is one of my least favorite characters and I think I exaggerated my belief that Katara could win. It all hinders on whether or not someone believes Katara could be more powerful but you're right the pro-Katara side def relies on plot armour. If fact I'm now debating whether or not Amon's genetics trump Katara's potential and it's making my brain hurt 🤣
@JuniorMarzy 8 күн бұрын
@@ethancraig5853yakone looks to be older than the gaang when Aang is 40 and Katara can’t blood bend without the full moon or psychically. And she 86 Katara can’t reverse what Amon did. She can’t do what they can do with boood bending.
@adamwolf9419 7 ай бұрын
I’ve always thought that bloodbending was closely related to healing and that potentially bloodbending could have many medicinal uses. Like theoretically could a bloodbender stop a wound from bleeding? Or maybe even hold someone together in a Darth Sion kind of way?
@notthechosen1 7 ай бұрын
Interesting thought, the problem is that blood bending has only ever been seen and thought of in a combative and aggressive manner. Due ṭo it being outlawed for very obvious reasons, I am not sure it ever occurred to anyone, in universe, to combine it with existing healing abilities. Then there is the obvious full moon issue. Even if it did occur to someone, it would be worse than useless as it would only be useful under a full moon, meaning that it wouldn't be able to help anyone apart from under the full moon meaning you have a narrow window to perfect such techniques. The logical approach to get around this is to break the law and use blood bending in combative situations to then learn how it could be used in healing techniques. Also, it just occurs to me that healing abilities might very well use targeted blood bending already, meaning that blood bending for healing purposes already exists, and therefore, our concept of what blood bending is cannot be used to enhance healing. Again, even if you are right, we only know of one family, three people in the entire Avatar universe capable of blood bending without the full moon, and it took years of harsh and dedicated training to perfect and its not a stretch to assume it took Yakon decades to be able to blood bend without the moon at will, there is nothing to suggest that any theoretical healing blood bending would work any differently. It is also uncertain blood bending on yourself could work since it is well established that bending the elements requires the use of chi within the body. We know Amon was able to permanently block the chi paths somehow using blood bending. Therefore, blood must in some way be connected to chi, which would suggest that bending your own blood would be impossible because you would be interrupting your own chi, so logically a Darth Sion situation would be impossible. But all this is purely speculative on my part.
@Wright805 7 ай бұрын
Bloodbending is like the dark side of the Force; it exerts a malign, corrupting influence on the psyches of those who use it. Even if one tries to put it to altruistic purposes, repeated usage of bloodbending will cause the user to become homicidal and sadistic. So no. Katara did the right thing by rejecting and outlawing bloodbending. Any good it can achieve is short-term only and eventually it will lead to suffering. Again, just like the dark side of the Force.
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