It maybe was a Christian country, but judging the way things are going, unless we act now, we are sleepwalking into becoming an Islamic state, a 1/3 of all new births in Britain are Muslim! If that’s not a warning then I don’t know what is.

This is what they do, keep pushing the boundaries. Taking over gradually 😡😡🇬🇧💞

Agreeing 100% with you I should mention this was the same thing when a few xtian countries including the UK that sent their looters to India and pushed their religion onto Hindus, Jains, and Sikhs 🤷‍♂️

Aborigines in America and Australia concur

@@oyaami1874 They didn’t study though. Very primitive.

Indeed, freedom of religion is a freedom to choose whichever religion you want. But that should not and does not imply that all traditions that someone might subjectively associate with a religion are automatically permissible in all circumstances. A rule of no prayer under certain circumstances is not discriminating for the very reason everyone is being treated the same.

they do and they tried with me every morning at assembly trying to indoctrinate me into Christianity singing religious songs reading out the lords pray. all religion should be banned in all schools.

@octopusman9969: This is precisely the issue. If the individual pupil wants to pray 5 times a day, why not attend a moslem school?

Can't take over if you leave.

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Exactly

Other discussions on this subject firmly support the teacher but this one it appears does not (if you can call it a discussion).

Go home and prayer .

how is it hampering education?

It can start dividing students, for one. If it starts to take time away from other subjects that's another. Religions can be discussed in history classes though, from a historical point of view, not theological. @@ebadurrahman7848

Then why teach religious studies? Faith in any religion helps you to be more respectuful, teaches you right from wrong, be honest, etc, is it not better to have that in a person than a child with no faith ruining education for a whole class with no care for himself or others, look at kids these days acting like pissy thugs, no repsect for their parents let alone the public. This is not what should be promoted. In some countries in asia they teach young oids etiquette and respect to help them mature faster and be a better person which is what we need, not this BS of let the kid paint, let him be free to be what he wants or let him act like that, that nonsene encourage absoultely nothing but shows a kid he can do what he likes and get away with it. Its a lazy way for teachers to pass time and get paid, give them a pen and paper and let them do what they like but real teaching, should help a kid develop real attributes to be a better person

@@AliHussain-no7yl you don’t need religion to have respect for others. The most religious people I know are the biggest hypocrites I know. Schools can teach religion without the school being religious. I work in a secular school and I’ve worked in a religious girls school, the religious girls schools was unwelcoming, had unruly behaviour, and divisive.

Education not Indoctrination!

It’s not a Muslim prayer ban. It’s a prayer ban. I’ve recently followed her and taken in some of her information. Muslim parents know the policies of the school and choose to send their kids there. Because they are clearly most interested in her educational successes. And the number of Muslim students has risen under her stewardship. The results speak for themselves

​@@AliHussain-no7yl....You are so delusional about peoples nature or should i say indoctrinated..???

My child has been called "haram" (sin) by his muslim friend few times. Later during Diwali my child was distributing sweets outside of school gate and 6 muslim parents told their children to put the sweet back in the tin because the tin said "happy Diwali".

This is proving to be a problem in many state schools. The amount of disrespect shown to British school children in the school environment has to be seen to be believed.. They are being force fed a Moslem diet with no menu option for a non religious meal which is appalling. The amount of input into the everyday affairs of school by the Moslem system amounts British schools becoming almost a feeder system for the Moslem organisation. I have heard many tales of bullying against children who are not Moslem who have no one to turn to in the schools and just have to put up with it.@@gpal4843

@@gpal4843 have they now. Wonderful demonstration of bigotry by the "friend". I'd say said "friend" needs to be removed from your child's life.

@@davidpnewton my little one came home few times and looked worried. "mum x said Im haram because im hindu" "mum x said if your christian they'll kill you". I reported it to the head teacher. If it happens again I will take him out from that school.

Imagines doctor in the middle of a operation. Stopping to pray.

For daytime prayers we have about 2 to 4 hour windows to perform the prayer (depending on day’s length). Prayer is about 5 mins long so we can easily find that time somewhere in the prayer window at work.

I almost tripped over a muslim girl shop assistant in duty free at Heathrow praying in the aisle !

@@sugarkane4830 These kids are not even allowed to pray on their break. So comparing it to a surgeon stopping stoping to pray when operating is 😂

That u making a issue so u get 1. If u leave it, a 5mins prayer in his/her own lunch time should be harmful to anyone. If we bring in issue like he has to change countries because he fulfills his duty in his lunch time. Come on let people be😢😢.

Go to a muslim school.. preferably in a muslim country. There are plenty of options

What if a muslim family don’t want their kids to be influenced into their faith (indoctrinated) by their education and want their kids education to be neutral in that respect so they send their kid to a secular school but they still want their kids to be able to practice if they please.

There should be no Muslim schools in the West. Richard Dawkins did a good documentary on faith based schools and showed the anti-scientific nonsense that they teach.

​@@Tom-iv3ndIslamic values have No place in these schools. Whoever wants to preach Islam and be a good muslim may leave for a Muslim country

@@Vanillevirus they aren’t preaching them, they’re just praying, did u not read my comment. I said maybe their parents don’t want to indoctrinate their kids into their religion through the education they receive and thus send them to a secular school instead of a Muslim school but still want to be able to practice if they still want to be Muslim so thus they should be able to pray in that school. I didn’t say anything about any religion being taught in schools and I’m not the biggest fan of that concept myself.

Or another country such as Iran.

AND ANOTHER COUNTRY.👍

That's putting it politely

@@darrensouden4 oh but they can't go to school there. talk about biting the hand that feeds.

Exactly. How many Christian churches or Jewish synagogues are in Syria, iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia. You are locked up for practising another religion in these countries.

Maybe they don’t want their kids to be indoctrinate into the faith by the education they receive so they send their kids to a secular school but still want to be able to practice if they choose too.

@@Tom-iv3nd ohhhh have their cake and eat it kinda thing??

And you have a problem with them too I bet.

@@Haabsa22024 I have an issue with religious schools of all kinds (Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Hindu, ect) because I think they’re indoctrinating kids into believing in outdated myths.

What?

Then you get upset that they don't integrate

@@saadselkent367 you either respect and adapt to the country you move to, or u don’t move there. It’s completely disrespectful to try and push religion in secular schools, especially on the floor where other children can fall. Prayer is for churches and mosques on weekends.

Since ancient times when Jews were expelled from Israel and Judea and dispersed all over the world the judaism is teaching to respect laws and customs of the country where they live in exile. This is why Jewish ethics is about respect and abiding by the laws of their " new" countries.

@brianwalker2696 And try using bibles or getting church services in certain Muslim countries...

Of course it is a show of force. Just like blocking the street and overrunning parks for prayer is a show of force.

I think they want to remove the Head teacher

Actually we're not far off. Some schools in diverse areas up north have already resorted to serving halal meat only to not alienate their 70% + muslim pupils.

Many schools in Brent just serve halal food. And we have to bend to their traditions. The mayor here is Muslim too

Birbelsingh's school serves only vegetarian food.

@@marielaveau8761 And halal butchery is cruel.

​@@sarahsnoweso is factory farming.

Apparently they want state schools to provide specific place for prayers and to ensure that school schedule allows for 5×/day prayers as dictated by Quran.

It’s a power move

Who cares. They are here in the millions,endlessly taking over.

@@canuck3169Yes that’s exactly what it is.

We pray during break time or lunch. We pray 5 times a day, but during school hours, we only need to pray once as other prayers time windows are outside of school hours. Prayer takes 5 minutes. The fuss is caused by adults feeling threatened that Muslim children are faithful to their religion. That’s all really.

But of course not if they negatively impacted you then it's a real issue right

@@MohammedAli-hl4mrexuse me, what it Muslim prayers negatively impacts my education? I have rights as well. School is school! Not church or mosque!

@@simonolya how does it affect your education at all. Muslims are asking to pray during their own break times not to interrupt lessons. this already happens in schools throughout the country and never before has there been an issue until this teacher decides to make it one.

@@MohammedAli-hl4mr don’t move to a country that has its culture for thousands of years. You adapt or move.

​@@LGAussieThat isn't a good arguement. Your logic can be used to validate what nazi's did. Germany has its own culture, if jews dont like genocide, they should leave. Saying if you don't like then leave basically validates for any oppressive regime across the world.

Isn’t it time the government looked at their laws and did something about the minority ruling the majority Britain is a Christian country not Muslim isn’t it 🤔just wondering

@@janbrown9195 Well it's basically secular. Although there should be freedom of religion, no one religion should be more priveledged than any other. It is when one religion demands special treatment over and above the others as though it is more true than the others...thats when things go sour. Katherine Bilbarsingh is correct in the way she handles it. But we all know that the High Court will over rule her and they will get what they want...they always do! What the courts don't realise, is that they are causing massive resentment and anger in the country.

U mean the bomb threats and the racist remarks to the black teacher? They were by people who saw the Muslims praying in the yard and didn't like it....

@@Madmarkhor I'm not sure about that...however, it has been reported that the Muslim girl who is taking the school to court was suspended for threatening to stab someone! If this is the case, then she should be expelled, regardless of what the ruling is...

@@anthonycharnock6560 it's been reported from a reputable source? Do u have a link?

I guess because a parent with money and/or power (or sponsored by such) has decided to make a court case out of it.

Why now. Well because they are getting away with doing what they want. So are pushing this now. Classic “ give them an inch”

We dont need a rug or a compass. Only a clean place and knowing where the south east is, which you can work out from the sun. The students that always prayed, they wil pray outside anyway. You can't stop them even if you try.

@@sadiqdelil5189 Well they can get expelled so…

​@@sadiqdelil5189 child abuse.

@@FlyingSpaghettiMonster2000 What is child abuse?

@@sadiqdelil5189 making kids religious.

Well said

They don't like to miss playing the victim cards whenever they can.

Very well said I must say.

Well said but wrong, banning prayer in schools is against “our rules” that’s why it’s in the high court and not parliament

@saadselkent367 we have prayers in this country "The Lords Prayer" thats it.....Thats our tradition its called christanity thats what we recognise. You can always move to a country that best suits your culture and recognises your needs.

@@andrewmayo608 So what if a Christian sect came out and said they want to recite a completely different wording of the Lord's prayer. As far as I understand that's already the case and it's protected under law. Also I'm moving from this country soon however someone in secondary school cannot do that, and if your answer to human rights legislation is "well they can just move country" then please evaluate your situation.

The UK is NOT Christian. Stop buying into that delusion. There is a strong Christian influence on the culture and legal system and there are still substantial numbers who do indeed actually attend church and are really Christians (not those nominal "Christians" who merely call themselves that). That does NOT mean the country itself is Christian.

For some its a mosque

The point is : provide us with a space for 5×/day prayers and modify school schedule to allow for that. And this is just for starters.

Of course, it is haram.

Spot on totally agree 👍 👌

It doesn't though, the lunch break is long enough to accommodate the head has an issue with muslim students praying in their own break

@@MohammedAli-hl4mr Yeah if you say so

@@jacquelineithell307 objectively speaking it is true, plenty of schools allow Muslim students to pray during THEIR lunch break not during lessons. and that hasn't been an issue for them students aren't asking to miss class nor are there disrupting classes to pray.

Thank you! That's also what I had heard, so I found it extremely irritating that the lady reporter said how concerning it was. 🙄🙄 Not to mention that I disagree they have a fundamental right to do it at school. It's disruptive anyway. I know for a fact that if Christian children publicly prayed every day saying the Lord's Prayer or Hail Mary the muslim parents would go insane, accuse the school of exposing their children to Christianity without their consent and a "violation" of their rights. Their right to indoctrinate their kids and prevent them from learning about another religion, except the hateful things they're told. 😢

​​@@beckinfidelis3916u realise numerous state schools chant hymns in assemblies and force the pupils to sing along? How's that for ur "violation of rights"?

Why are 49% of the British public atheist/agnostic where as only 46% of the British public are Christians.

I think the kid wasn't even demanding space. They were praying at the playground. And the pupil wants to pray 5 mins during lunch break. That's it. I just don't understand this. Why pick up a fight against prayjng, when so many children are vaping and smoking during breaks.

This is false, mosques must be owned by a “waqf” (Islamic endowments) and can never be sold.

Don't include Christianity in that.

No we're not that special 😂

Correct 💯

Yes, very tolerant. That's why we are seen as a soft touch for any extremist,criminal, sponger or economic p-nce going.Why else do you think they are desperate to get here?

Except that's not what'd happening muslims could easily pray during their lunch break not during class time.

I doubt she can see very far at all. She does say it makes her feel uncomfortable. Oh dear, how sad.

😅😅😅😅

she is not a serious person

@beastieboy3926: shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ... A qualified teacher or a nation would know about it.

this comment is the perfect example of compounded ignorance. In the winter time it is possible that prayer times fall into school hours successively meaning that in order to catch the first prayer, you would have to pray before the second arrives - which is usually (aside from the 2nd prayer of the day which you are very likely to pray during lunch break), fall in a time after lunch that would mean that it is possible to miss it. So it's not as black and white as you think. The only thing i agree with you is that praying and ablution doesn't take long - which is precisely the issue, let them pray if it doesn't take long.. Also, the book you referenced is not 'the most popular sharia compendium', how embarrassing. Muslims follow different schools of thought but the same source and subsequently study different Islamic texts that discuss Islamic jurisprudence and matters such as fasting, pilgrimage and prayer which anyways goes back to the primary text being the Qur'an and Sunnah which stipulate clearly when to pray and when exceptions are made to delay - To note, the religion is based on primary texts, not a the book you quoted. As for your poor dig at Muslim women being 'too impure' to pray, i reckon your well educated self purposefully left out the fact that anyone male or female in a state of major impurity or minor impurity, cannot pray until they clean themselves. But the male part just doesn't suit your narrative does it karen? It is not a supremacy attempt, if you feel a bubbling inferiority complex that is something you have to work on in your own time, Muslims will continue to practice their religion young or old. So respectfully, don't tell Muslims about their own religion especially if you are unaware.

@@Ayattl Firstly, prayer times ARE flexible. Dawn is now about 8:00 am in the UK, Muslims are told if their daylight hours are much different than Mecca then they can pray using Mecca times, so in this case the student could easily, and with Allah's blessing, pray at home as early as 6:00 a.m.- first prayer solved. Then a quick pray at noon and again the next prayer once they get home. As per your comment about the Reliance of the Traveller, yes it is the most used sharia compendium as it is considered authoritative and is warranted by the scholars of al Azar, and other highly regarded institutions such as International Institute of Islamic Thought etc. and endorsed/written by the 4 prominent Sunni scholars/schools Maliki, Shafi, Hanbal, Hanifi and based on legal rulings from many early scholars - just read the first 'book' and supported by many prominent scholars both in centuries past and present. I did not make a dig at Muslim women, but a dig at the god who considers His creation 'filth' each month of the womanhood, which He created! I actually feel very sorry they are caught up in this odious ideology with its prophet who said so many awful things about women, and its god that places them as second-class beings. Women are specifically singled out as being 'dirty' for having a natural occurrence in their bodies which was apparently created by their god who now considers the woman to be 'filthy' during this period and that He feels they are beneath others at prayer time. Yes men can be 'filthy' as well but they can generally clean themselves before prayer. I feel no inferiority or superiority over Muslims, just a sense of astonishment that they see value in this odious ideology which seeks to subjugate the lives, hearts and minds of all persons. I feel sorry for Muslims that now that historical evidence from many civilizations surrounding Saudi Arabia (plus trade records, explorer records, maps etc) has proved Mecca never existed before about 700 A.D (in fact the rock inscription, now conveniently destroyed, at Taif commemorated the building and no, not a re-building, of the Ka'aba in Mecca about 698 A.D.) so therefore Mohammad never existed and his Koran was made up by mere men, that Muslims still cling to this fairytale fictional belief system. No civilization ever mentioned Mecca or an Islamic prophet Mohammad or the Koran until far beyond the 8th century!! Both John of Damascus and Pope Leo in mid 700's wrote about the booklets the Saracens/Ishamailites, Hagarins, Arabs made-up for their holy writings, neither man mentioned Mohammad, Muslim or Islam, as again this narrative wasn't developed until the end of the 8th century into the 9th century - the first complete 114 sura Koran was only produced in Kuwait during the 10th century!! In fact the title Mohammad or 'Praised/Blessed One' was a reference to Jesus in historical writings thru-out the 8th century when it slowly morphed to meaning the Islamic prophet. I have a Masters degree in Islamic Studies (and have just gone back to re-do it it to take advantage of the latest findings) and have studied Islam, from its scholars for about 15 years. I know what I am talking about. My library, with about half from Islamic scholars, runs to about $8k worth of books.

@@karenthompson1337 Throw your degree in the bin because you just wrote a whole load of nothing. Responding to each point would waste my time, I thought you were sincere perhaps until you said Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم doesn’t exist. Touch some grass, read some actual books and reevaluate what you were doing when you were ‘studying’ for that degree

Incredibly dense.

How? Being racist.

The best country in the world for all kinds of freedoms given to us. Try this religious malarkey in China, see how far you get. The Chinese are pulling down mosques and building Buddhist temples in their place. No protests or taking them to court on legal aid.