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@woodworkerroyer84974 жыл бұрын
I have the same router and clamp! I've never seen anyone use the clamp as a safety pin, GREAT idea!
@momostayzanko20784 жыл бұрын
Love your work boss Thanks for all useful tricks. .....
@marlonwatson35883 жыл бұрын
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@rolandwesley37203 жыл бұрын
@Marlon Watson instablaster ;)
@marlonwatson35883 жыл бұрын
@Roland Wesley I really appreciate your reply. I got to the site thru google and Im trying it out atm. Seems to take a while so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
@derekseed3 жыл бұрын
I've watched 1000 router videos. This is the first time I've ever seen a safety pin and its use. Thanks for this video.
@ToffeenoseToffeenose4 жыл бұрын
That’s the 1st time I’ve seen a video where grain direction and routing has been explained. It amazes me in these video how great craftsmen with years of experience rout against the grain when they don’t need to
@AngieWilliamsDesigns8 ай бұрын
I watched this four years ago when it came out. I just got a monster compression bit. Kinda like the one you show. I’m a bit intimidated LOL. But excited to use it. It’s funny how even though I’ve seen this video… and I’ve learned so much since then… I’m still learning more as I watch this again. It just makes more sense now as I have more experience. Thanks for sharing.
@kkluber1Ай бұрын
Thank you so much. You have no idea how helpful this and your other related videos are. Jonathan, you are a prince of the common man...!
@rolandharrison56513 жыл бұрын
Very clear instructional style. I like how you don’t talk down to your audience. Keep it up. 👍
@z28ntexas4 жыл бұрын
Building an Adirondack chair for EXAMPLE … I have determined exactly where my fasteners need to go when assembling the chair. The plus now is... I don't need tape for routing. *I simply counter sink a screw through the existing hole in the template and into the piece of wood. *I visit my local hardware store and ask for "scrap" plexiglass/acrylic and pay pennies on a dollar. I use them for templates. *I draw my outline onto the piece of wood... then remove the screws and set aside the valuable template. *I can now with confidence, cut as close to the outline as possible without endangering a template. *Afterwards, I realign the template using those same screw holes to the lumber and begin safely routing. *When routing is complete, I remove the screws and then use those holes for my fasteners for assembly. Of course, if you are using larger fasteners, simply drill out a larger hole. *I love the acrylic/plexi because the shape stays true after countless uses... and... if you accidently drop a template on the floor as I have, it doesn't dent like a wood type template would. *happy routing!
@mattivirta2 жыл бұрын
acryl have shit and dangerous use, this material have than glass broken easy, and too hard, lot better use thin wood or ABS or PVC plastic.
@gardeningforlife6587 Жыл бұрын
So thankful I found this. Helped a lot with what I’m doing wrong. I am new at this so I know things happen but that tear out sucks ..
@rsitch13 жыл бұрын
Your video is such good reminder. To do and not To do. Please do more videos for us... thank you big guy, at the end of the day I can still count to 10 on my fingers. With both eyes open!!! Bob
@johnjones6077 Жыл бұрын
Awesome vids Jon. Just wanna say bought your Katz Moses dovetail jig and absolutely love it. Anyone interested in doing dovetails don’t hesitate to buy this jig. It’s is genius
@MrDougfunny74 жыл бұрын
Love the channel man. I don’t have many woodworking tools but I’m penny pinching and buying them up when and as I can. Goal is to have a full woodworking shop in a few years and in the meantime I just watch all I can and learn as much as I can. Appreciate your work.
@dennissmith68244 жыл бұрын
This channel is the real deal thanks for showing mistakes
@MMMS75 Жыл бұрын
I learned the hard lesson of “don’t leave much to trim with the router” recently. Was like wrestling a bucking Bronco on the piece. Such good advice in this video, wish I watched this video before last weekend. Haha!
@jesser91342 жыл бұрын
just had a terrible day templating. the double bearing bit is exactly what I needed to see
@dannmarks Жыл бұрын
I have even sent this video to friends so that they understand the value of this technique and the way to do this safely.
@jeremyspecce4 жыл бұрын
Nice description, i knew a lot of it but it was a good refresher and certainly a good thorough description about feed direction vs grain direction for anyone who is a little confused about it. I had a situation with a 1/4" template bit in a table that caught like that and it also bent the shaft of the bit so it caused some INSANE vibration, so your kickback demonstration is very important. Also, I want one of those double bearing bits now.
@deliaguzman1138 Жыл бұрын
Same here-had thin “fins” I was routing with my template, and I chewed up two of them and had one pulled out of my hands. SCARY. I had no clue that I needed to worry about grain-just the direction I was supposed to feed the workpiece. Thanks, Jonathan!
@BenMack874 жыл бұрын
I think I saw the wood whisper do it first but it’s blue masking tape with a drop of ca glue and it works good and comes off easy too
@katzmosestools4 жыл бұрын
I've used it before but not a big fan. Seems to come off too easy for me and sometimes I get squeeze out beyond my tape. Plus for $14 these rolls last me a couple years and there's no setup. Blue tape is crazy expensive to be using it for something its not really intended for. IMHO I can use 4 little tiny pieces vs 8 big pieces of blue tape.
@SE35524 жыл бұрын
I was going to suggest the same. Watch Ben at crimson guitars he uses it a lot.
@CA-gy4qf4 жыл бұрын
I have a feeling the wood whisperer mentioned he got the tip from a crimson guitar video
@ColoradoHiker4 жыл бұрын
@@katzmosestools Tried both too. I strictly use double sided tape. Its definitely not coming loose.
@torinhalsey63134 жыл бұрын
Great info. The close-up camera shots y'all use are way better than most on KZfaq. Have a great weekend.
@billiondollardan4 жыл бұрын
Useful video. It's always worth it to spend some time watching a J-Katz production
@katzmosestools4 жыл бұрын
Thank you my friend
@andrewmaxa53063 жыл бұрын
Great video! Admittedly, I sought it out only after I had a kickback incident. Minor: I wasn't hurt and the workpiece didn't suffer any non-fixable damage. I got lucky. With your tips, I now know what I did wrong and how to more safely use my router table. Big thanks!!
@jaysigel98373 жыл бұрын
A few of things: Your use of the term "safety pin" implies using it provides some sure element of safety, which it might not. Porter Cable calls it a starting pin and I prefer that terminology as that's what you use it for. You generally only need it for starting on smaller pieces, when you need to approach the bit very slowly or to help maintain control of the situation where you need to start routing one edge but not the edge perpendicular to it. Like many others here, I didn't know what it was supposed to be used for until I saw a demonstration on it at a Rockler store. It came with my Incra router lift. I use it occasionally. When I was making rail-and-stile panels, I used the starting pin a lot as those bits are huge. Visible tear out against the grain depends on the bit and the wood. Tear out cannot be eliminated, only minimized. The harder the wood, the worse it is. Going in the other direction by flipping the work piece can sometimes help, but sometimes there's no choice. Take the case of the hand grips on the leaves of a butler tray table when all sides of the hand grip need to be rounded, with and against the grain. Going slow helps but that will tend to produce router bit burn. That burn can be sanded off and repaired easier than grossly visible tear out. The flush trim bit can help produce very straight and accurate cuts in pieces that are just too long or awkward to cut on any other device. You just need a long straight edge clamped to your work piece (and any work piece needs to be secured to the work bench with at least 2 clamps). The larger the diameter of the flush trim bit the more effective and smoother the cut will be. A 1 degree cutting angle error made in a dining room table top piece 40 inches across will result in a lateral error on the far end of "only" 0.7 inches. If your table will have leaves, nothing will line up! You cannot fix this and have a clean edge with any other tool besides your hand router, trim bit and a nice straight edge. A jointer will not guarantee parallel surfaces, only straight ones. Using templates is very useful but not problem-free. The double stick tape will pull off material from it or it's not sticking well enough. If you plan to use the template a lot, applying shellac to its surface and letting it dry overnight will help the tape stick to the template better without removing template material when separating the pieces or pulling off the tape. The bearing will mar the surface of the template on repeated use. If the template is hardwood, that is best and the harder the better. Damaged template surfaces can be so-so repaired with the epoxy-type wood fillers (Bondo, etc.), but full strength takes much longer than the advertised15 minutes. Nitto tape is very expensive and you appeared to use a lot of it. I use the 3M Scotch foam double stick tape. It is less than 1/6" thick and you don't need very much of it. Two to four small pieces, 3/8", is generally all that you need. If there is any warping of the template or work piece, the paper-type double stick tape may be too thin to adequately adhere to it, so the foam tape would be definitely better. The putty knife method of separation is fine if you don't want to reuse the tape (sometimes the tape can be used more than once). It can also scratch up the taped surfaces. I use it when I can't separate the pieces just using my fingers, which is often. I avoid thin templates. MDF makes the worst templates but it's cheap and easy to work with other than the toxic, MDF dust. Plywood is not much better because the actual surface rested on by the trim bearing is only the thin, outer surfaces of the plywood.
@meljohansen86344 жыл бұрын
You are very thorough with your videos. Good information. A little trick I use is to first install a larger diameter bearing on the cutter. This take a "rough" cut first. Replace the original bearing, and finish cut the piece.
@KerryBatdorf2 жыл бұрын
Some bits have 2 bearings, usually the same size, but, maybe one could be larger for the 'rough cut'. Then it only takes a height change.
@AngieWilliamsDesigns4 жыл бұрын
The router is my favorite tool in the shop. I'm definitely going to enjoy this series.
@akbychoice4 жыл бұрын
Love your passion in explaining these procedures so well.
@bryansmith14224 жыл бұрын
Wish I watched this video before I attempted to router around a jig. I made a pigs ear of it. "Nay mind" Now I know what went wrong !! Thanks very much now I can finish my garden bench with more confidence.
@MaxMeyerTO2 жыл бұрын
Just wrecked a piece due to grain direction yesterday, so I wish the weird vagaries of the Content Algorithm had offered this one up earlier. That said, thanks for the vid, will ruin fewer workpieces in the future! :D
@bretc3609 Жыл бұрын
I just started making that chair and had some issues routing that hole. I had a little tear out but it was all inside the hole and will be easy to hide. Still scary for the beginner though. Thanks for all of the amazing tips and help.
@secretwoodproject Жыл бұрын
I have learned a lot from your videos and this is a new skill set I am starting to learn so thank you so much for the clear and concise instruction.
@Lordbilljacob26024 жыл бұрын
Very down to earth common sense well explained.. Thanks.
@joergwiesmann42613 жыл бұрын
....thank YOU soooooo much !!!! kinde regards from Switzerland !!!
@russellnentwich87454 жыл бұрын
Man thank you sooo much Katz! I have been making handles with a straight cut bit and pattern. I keep getting the violent reactions. I finally gave up and went from bandsaw to oscillating sander, luckily with my fingers in tact.
@organichemone4 жыл бұрын
When I worked in a cabinet shop, we used vacuum to hold the templates to our part. A vacuum pump with a little bit of tubing with plastic quick connects.
@ausfrog3814 жыл бұрын
Love these videos, the amount of routering iv done still things in this videos iv never thought of. Also have to add, I never knew what the pin that came with my router table did, until now 😀
@BitsOfEternity2 жыл бұрын
Instead of double sided tape, use painters tape on each piece - put cyanoacrylate on one piece of tape, spray the other piece of tape with accelerator, and it will hold, as long as you don't 'twist' the two pieces apart - which is perfect for when you do want to take them apart - the tape will come off easily, and if it is sticky and you are having an issue, you can twist the pieces apart. Cheers
@saucetguitars Жыл бұрын
This is the way, and it is much easier to clean up after you separate the pieces.
@brazik Жыл бұрын
Great tip. Just used what I thought was good double sided tape but created a mess (must have been carpet tape)
@jlsinchina4 жыл бұрын
As a newby, I love these training videos. Thanks.
@ericsnis4 жыл бұрын
Nitto tape is a similar product that works well. I use it on a desktop PCB mill. It even held down machinable wax. Like spec tape it doesn’t need much to get the job done. Scotch double sided office tape also works in a pinch IF you’re careful. It won’t re-adhere once removed and it needs more of it though.
@katzmosestools4 жыл бұрын
Great tips. I'll check them out. Usually a roll of the stuff in the video last me a couple years. I think I've bought 3 rolls in my lifetime.
@KerryBatdorf2 жыл бұрын
@@katzmosestools For removing the template it usually works pretty well to pry up an end just far enough to get a grip on the 2 pieces and then rather than prying/pulling straight apart try shearing the parts apart sideways. For me there is much less muscle involved and the forces are across the width of the template with little risk of banding and breaking it.
@michellegatz7077 Жыл бұрын
Best video ever
@gwargolet2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, wish I'd seen it earlier, but will be very helpful in the future.
@garychristiansen5084 жыл бұрын
You provide great videos and super explanations! This is all very helpful to this woodworking rookie!!! Thanks!
@katzmosestools4 жыл бұрын
My pleasure bud
@gregpavlovich77614 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a great informative video. Its great to watch something that is exactly to the point. Too many videos where the host hasn't set up their camera properly and then starts carrying on about his lunch and half way into the vid he skips all the useful stuff. Cheers Greg
@cindyhammack682 жыл бұрын
When I took woodshop in junior high (as opposed to Home Ec), I tried to use a router free-hand to cut my name out. I came out so bad I chucked it into the scrap bin. I never even attempted when I took woodshop in college (yeah, BS Industrial Tech - woodshop, plastics shop, and metal shop were core electives). Now that I'm getting to the point where I just have to use a router I'm afraid whatever I do will come out jacked and wood's expensive. I been putting off finishing the cool redwood porch glider because of that fear. It's gonna be somebody's Christmas gift at this rate...
@SmallWorkshopGuy4 жыл бұрын
Very good, Jonathan. I for one really appreciate workshop technique videos - A LOT! So much to learn and so little time!
@vincepresto7594 жыл бұрын
LOVIT , Thx’s for Sharing and Now Maybe I will be able to stop my tear outs ! Thx’s
@JkCanvas4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the tips and tricks. Cannot wait for more of your router series. The router is one of the mysterious tools in the shop that I think I am using properly but this video has shown me I am not. Looking forward to learning more.
@jlance2404 жыл бұрын
Love that router bit, definitely want to pick one up at some point. That ain't cheap. :) Keep up the great work.
@katzmosestools4 жыл бұрын
Agreed but I really have had that uncoated one for 3 years and it's still sharp AF. Honestly it's one of those once every 5-10 year purchases that is a serious game changer. You can route the gnarliest grain in the wrong direction without a problem.
@jlance2404 жыл бұрын
@@katzmosestools Definitely. Still looking for some xmas light vids. :) Don't know if you are still doing that.?
@katzmosestools4 жыл бұрын
Here's an old one hahaha kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ft-Up9WClb29Yn0.html Maybe I'll do one this year
@jonwebb2247 Жыл бұрын
Really like the videos. I’m new to woodworking and your videos are definitely educational
@tonymondoro2916 Жыл бұрын
this was a great help! thanks
@guyh.45533 жыл бұрын
Oooooooooohhhh!!!!! Great recommendations on how to do the curves! These are great tips for a newbie routererer! Ha ha ha ha
@justplanebob1054 жыл бұрын
Wow! Thanks very much for this video, Jonathan. These are good band saw tips as well as router tips. I'm still learning to use my benchtop band saw and router table and this couldn't be more timely. I've been afraid to pull the trigger on the moxon vise templates because I pretty much suck at both tools. Now I'm feeling like I might be able to make a go of that vise with a little more practice on these tips. Thanks.
@SpencleyDesignCo4 жыл бұрын
FANTASTIC video!
@armengregorian20384 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Jonathan. As always, very informative and entertaining.
@katzmosestools4 жыл бұрын
Thanks bud!
@ramaroodle3 жыл бұрын
You are correct sir. Bought some of that double-sided tape through your link. It is the Bugatti!
@Automedon23 жыл бұрын
I got mine at Woodcrafters 28 bucks a roll. Should have gotten it on Amazon, despite how much I like to use local stores.
@wb_finewoodworking4 жыл бұрын
Great video Jonathan. I have a Limbert A&C table I want to build that requires template routing for the legs. This was helpful. Thanks. - I need one of those bits with bearings on the top and bottom for sure.
@katzmosestools4 жыл бұрын
Send pictures when you complete it. I would love to see it.
@wb_finewoodworking4 жыл бұрын
Jonathan Katz-Moses I’ll definitely post a video of the project on my KZfaq channel. Hopefully I’ll get it done early next year. Right now I’m making Christmas presents.
@nathanirvine30074 жыл бұрын
I found an exception of when to go with the bit. I wanted to know my emergency room co pay.
@joergwiesmann42613 жыл бұрын
...thank YOU very much !!!! very interessting !!! kind regards from Sitzerland !!!
@cliffgroce14923 жыл бұрын
Yea I learned this the hard way, and almost snapped a sapele sleigh bed leg. Immediately spent the money on the ultimate pattern bit...like butter
@dhimes33 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!
@paigep23344 жыл бұрын
Nitto Permacel is my favorite double stick tape - I use it for CNC fixturing, and I have to dissolve the adhesive with rubbing alcohol to remove it. I'll definitely give your recommendation a try, though.
@rjmcewan4 жыл бұрын
great video! would like a tutorial on routing small piece, i.e. toy pieces
@farrierss17244 жыл бұрын
clamp on the router base for pivot point. That moment worth the entire 12:39 minutes.
@timothyball31444 жыл бұрын
I'm looking forward to the router series. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the cut direction and climb cuts and tearout and that kind of stuff. You touched on it here, but for me there wasn't enough explaining with the demonstration. It just went by very fast.
@ColoradoHiker4 жыл бұрын
Get a handful of straws and lay them out on a table. Offset each one say a half inch apart as you go. When you start at the top routing and going "downhill" the next straw inline is 1/2 inch longer and supports the previous one. Starting at the bottom and routing "uphill" as you would cut each straw there would be a 1/2 inch where there is no support and much more likely to tear out.
@Cam-wi3tp3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for an awesome explanation on how to router properly, Now for that Tape, it's more like a Volkswagen! It will not stick to the wood and it's so time consuming trying to peel it back enough to expose the sticky . $15 and I just had to throw it in the trash
@robertkingsley5446 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@GregWallis4 жыл бұрын
Every video is ALWAYS helpful, so many thanks.
@MrBonners4 жыл бұрын
For the series include some beyond the basic jigs like spline cutters and such. Plenty of that kind of thing on YT now.
@katzmosestools4 жыл бұрын
I've done video on splines o. The router table called 4 creative miter splines
@sawdustwoodchips4 жыл бұрын
also helps to have a fulcrum pin on the router table.
@MultiTom19564 жыл бұрын
Thank you Katz 😊.
@redsalem76862 жыл бұрын
I’ve also seen people use CA glue and accelerator to hold their template on. Seperates very easily afterwards.
@chriscain2563 Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir for a really useful video bless you mate from across the pond … liked and subscribed 😃😃
@houseoffire723 жыл бұрын
I use 1/4" PVC or ABS sheet for my templates that get lots of hard use and they don't break when prying them up.
@Danman19724 жыл бұрын
Look forward to the series! Currently planning a router table with some storage to clean up a little around the garage.
@katzmosestools4 жыл бұрын
Starting the build today actually. Pretty pumped. Got all the bells and whistles.
@whydoihavetoify4 жыл бұрын
Love your videos, just a quick point if you are in the Uk when Americans talk about putty knives they are referring to filling knives or paint scrapers.not putty knives as we know them.
@dirkbaumann93984 жыл бұрын
Great Tutorial very valuable pointers ! Thank. You
@DrivingWithJake3 жыл бұрын
Great video! :) I seen that bit being too high glad to see you show that you used it like that after all! We all make screw ups just another reason why an extra template sometimes helps.
@jbourgeois50924 жыл бұрын
saw Dave P make a quick and dirty router box-joint sled/jig. would love to see your take on that
@lutherbunn34274 жыл бұрын
Would love to see you do a box with a locking miter bit.
@dangriffith46844 жыл бұрын
Great info and content .... THANKS. Two quick questions: When routing plywood, how important is routing with grain direction, if important at all? How do I minimize the fuzzies when routing plywood? Thanks in advance for the info!
@mattivirta2 жыл бұрын
plywood i has used downcutting plade not fuzz lot.
@michaelcampbell99004 жыл бұрын
This was so helpful. Thanks for all the fantastic videos.
@katzmosestools4 жыл бұрын
My absolute pleasure bud.
@MrMagicBlox4 жыл бұрын
This video was great and very helpful. Thank you very much!
@jimmydickson88544 жыл бұрын
Very good tips thank you
@johnwurst66913 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks!
@robertsparkman85164 жыл бұрын
If you haven't already seen Ben @ Crimson Guitars masking tape and super glue trick, it's just making double tape but no residue and amazing strength, rout, plane, whatever.
@katzmosestools4 жыл бұрын
I'd put this stuff head to head against the blue tape trick any day. I am not a fan. Answered long form on another comment.
@HyperactiveNeuron4 жыл бұрын
"and I just get it up a little bit at a time... "... That's what she said LOL! Seriously... As usual great tips JKM! Just the tip though!
@rick914434 жыл бұрын
Always learn lots. Thanks for the video...rr Normandy, France
@bobbg90414 жыл бұрын
If your 2 sided tape wont loosen, take a heat gun or hair dryer and warm up the template the heat will soften the glues and help you pry it off.
@stormman83934 жыл бұрын
Really good useful information, thanks Jonathon
@jessjulian94584 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that. I needed that one. Working on my router table causes me to sweat heavily.
@normanerwin42424 жыл бұрын
I'm with you there. This video and router table kick back scared the heck outa me. Probably something to practice many times before starting a project.
@jessjulian94584 жыл бұрын
@@normanerwin4242 Absolutely. Very dangerous. I have a great Incra setup, but I avoid it as much as possible.
@randomscandinavian60944 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know inside curves could tear out as well. I’ve now seen too many videos on what can go wrong when routing. I’m currently completely scared off trying to template route anything. Especially my one slab of electric guitar body size wood. I think I’ll just rasp it into shape. Some day in the far off future.
@bryangray4178 Жыл бұрын
Man this is so good… who tracked the drums? They’re insanely good. Or is it programmed?
@hj86073 жыл бұрын
Double sided tape referred to as the 'Bugatti' of tapes not best in that it's price is reasonable . Better to that it's the Katz meow . 😊
@thefirsted3 жыл бұрын
Awesome info! Now I'm thinking I'm using a too small diameter bit, or too weak of a router (Love it anyways) rather than needing new cheap bits from ebay, or bank breakingly expensive new bits from the hardware store. I'll try what I was doing slightly differently later.
@michebre2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this video. how to do cut an outside 3/4" radius on a 12" x 4" piece making a radius cut on the 4" vertical side ,top to bottom if this makes sense? Using a flush trim bit or roundover bit? thanks.
@SawdustmakerLori4 жыл бұрын
Very helpful information.......thanks!
@walterrider96004 жыл бұрын
thank you cool Katz great stuff
@timwhited5933 Жыл бұрын
Where can I buy the pivot pin that threads into the router lift? Thanks for a great demo.
@chm17014 жыл бұрын
Is there any chance you could show router tips with the fence in place at some point too, please, Jonathan? Due to Health & Safety legislation in the UK, I’m not allowed to use them on the part-time course in Joinery, but there’s always more information I can learn, so I’d appreciate any tips you can pass on. Thanks. I look forward to seeing more.
@tigertigerpantherfox37144 жыл бұрын
Routing maple still freaks me out!!
@Vman77574 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. Can't wait to see the router table build.
@823Steve Жыл бұрын
You know for the price of your favorite router bit, I can buy two Skill 2-1/2 HP router kits with Fixed/Plunge bases. That's a little absurd!
@MatthewKrieger Жыл бұрын
Your videos are great. Can you please put a link to the bendable vacuum attachment that you have on your router table?