It shows just how fragile (or resilient) humans can be. Evelyn was broken when the scavs got their hands on her. The one side quest with your neighbor in the megabuilding, he either commits suicide or actually talks to the one cop who poked fun at him. V either gives up and commits suicide, or fights bravely in the face of death, even with no idea of what lies at the end of the road.

@@SirRampage24 And a military vet who recluses himself and stops talking to his friends and counselor, steals psychological meds that he claims doesn't even work, plans to assassinate a running senator who plans to pass a bill that would make it harder for vets to get help. That can go a certain way as well.

In 2020, those guys are let out on the street again eventually. They have most of their cyberware deactivated. NCPD keeps a list of them and monitor them if they are ex-offenders. They also slap entire prison populations into braindance because it's the cheaper alternative.

@@SusCalvin Are they also hired for certain jobs if they are functioning enough? Like we see in 2077?

@@Apokal031 No idea. I guess they are as unemployed as everyone else. People who have 0 Empathy are in no way functioning, you don't want to share an NCART with that kind of guy. They're the kind of people who no longer understand why shooting people who stand in the way is wrong. The NCPD has a technically voluntary list of people getting extensive cyber to show up for evaluation. If they think you're likely to slip, they aggressively suggest you volunteer.

@@SusCalvin They are all kinds of functioning sozio- & psychopaths who still function in the sociaty by adapting to it and playing their role. Some of them are managers or CEOs of companys. You don't need emphaty to be a functioning citizen. You only need to work inside the law the society abides to. The only people who can't function are the ones who have the desire to kill people. And of these, only the ones who can't control their desire. The uncotrollable ones. But it seems there is no in dept writing about them.

There is implication that this kind of rehabilitation is often showing the braindance of your victim/s death many, many times until you hate the idia of reliving rehab more than you hate people

He definitely was. And the things he says seem to be very real in modern society.

You receive the Kerenzikov Award for this video Choom!

Me: >:D

I think it really is all about the disconnection between mind and body. This thing is not just a meatbag, when the mind's not doing well the body gets sick (see chronic stress causing all types of diseases or the opposite: optimism can up the chances for cancer patients to recover), when the body's sick the mind is affected (chronic pain, or insomnia, other things). The ripperdoc who refused to chrome himself up said it best: even just one piece of chrome can interfere with one's level of concentration, it just drops never able to go back to its former level. Which is why I believe we'll never be able to reach this level of body modification without serious complications, therefore it won't become mainstream. It will never feel right, whatever medication you pump into yourself to keep things going. But it's true cyberpsychosis is not just a product of people snapping, it's the fact these cybernetic implants are weapons, consequences are severe when they snap. It's the fact violence is glorified, people know what to do to cause harm learning from each other, everyone's committing atrocities towards each other, then there's people with faulty implants walking around because they can't afford top shelf stuff and they're affected by that. Think back on that ripperdoc Fingers, when he's done 'fixing' the doll she can't shut her eye completely. Imagine how infuriating that is. How stressful that can feel. We haven't even touched on the drug abuse.

The doctor puts good points, but that Brain-dance doesn't sound like therapy, It sounds like brainwashing people into slaves (Melissa Rory is still borderline Cyber-Psychotic though, so she's probably very strong willed), Ziggy is a conniving word twister but he was probably right to do so, this time, and as I see it, I think that Cyber-Psychosis is not a uniform problem, it's an element, not the whole issue, the doctor gave alot of good points but that BD sounds like some totalitarian regime bullshit to me, and Yea it does sound like shock therapy.

Smasher is what you call a "functional" or "Directed" Psychopath. He has urges and hes allowed to follow them as long as the targets are authorized...sort of like Dexter or Hanibal Lecter but with corp backing and protection, and all the rude people he can eat...er...smash.

kinda reminds me of dissociative exomind rejection in exos from destiny. cept in the case of destiny, instead of their human psyche effecting their decision making, they just had a huge psychological breakdown, unable to accept the fact that they were in a robot body, their brain convincing them that this metal body was a cage, causing some of them to tear themselves apart

In the old tabletop game it was a balancing mechanic. Players with no limits would continuously buy more and more cyberware to stuff their characters with. It puts a hard limit on how much of this stuff you can handle, and gives a non-monetary cost to it. The more extensive and the more dehumanizing an implant was, the bigger impact it had. In game mechanics, each cybernetic implant had a certain Humanity cost. From surface-level or very minor ones with 0,5 Humanity loss to dang wolverine claws and full conversion legs and Mr. Studd that could lose you 2d6 Humanity. Every ten Humanity lost means -1 Empathy for you, the equivalent of a Charisma attribute. People could get rehabilitated. They strap you down, deactivate your cybertech and over time you regain Humanity as you slap you into braindance. When a character reached 0 Empathy, they became cyberpsychotic. They can no longer empathize with other humans. The DM grabs your character sheet and starts playing your character like she is just looking for an excuse to waste her old friends while you roll a new one. A cyberpsycho might not lash out immediately, but you really don't want to be in a room with any of those freaks. Imagine a person with all their human limits gone who is constantly a twitch away from breaking someone's arm.

Like yk, Ruth Dzeng literally roasted Yorinobu and Arasakas with no consequences

he actually has a conversation with the guests and asks them genuinely good questions, which isn't true for like 90% of talk shows right now lmao

Damn sad to read man. Good luck.

I gotta say the most notable one dealt with was the guy who felt like the whole world was out to get him and turned his entire grounds into a death trap. This is what lead to the death of his wife and son who was worried for his safety and went to check up on him only to be killed the defense grid. That was truly the guy's breaking point.

Effectively. You've more or less lost it one you reach that point. Look up the 2020 books for how it was treated back then.

@@tyrongkojy yup, pretty much says your character gets taken over by the GM, played as an npc if you used to hit empathy 0 and went cyberspycho. (Page 73, 2020 lol) Though I think most GMs tried to give players a bit of leeway before hitting zero (unless 'Tomb of Horrors' was their fave module, in which case....oh boy, your chooms are gona get wasted.....) Tbh, considering just how much cyberware V can install in the 77 game.... I'm surprised they haven't joined them in going cyberpsycho....(tho I know some players have RPd that in game lol) Thinking it thru, we can't get our hands (as the in game player) on as much cyberware that's out there. Wolvers, BugEye optics and many of the options that used to lower your scores are beyond us, so much of the stuff we get, are simply about in game mechanics for gameplay. I expect some modders to come up with an 'imersive' mod to make V go cyberpsyco one day tho lol.

@@silverbane8065 Yeah, i think they initially intended to be a humanity score, but felt it restricted player's builds too much. That, coupled with the whole stat system effectively being Witcher 3 (unsurprisingly, much like the mission structure being that as well) they likely weren't able to find a proper balance while still letting you chrome yourself out to the nines. They likely didn't want a player to accidentally fuck themselves over and have to restart. I mean, there's a reason the game's so much shorter than W3, and they feared THAT, so a player screwing themselves permanently? Yeah.....

@@silverbane8065 To be fair, the game sort of addresses this oversight in the epilogue of the Cyberpsycho missions and it gives an explanation for why V never actually goes Cyberpsycho. At the same time, I think it sort of manifests in a different way through the player. Late in the game is when you get those high-end implants, and naturally you want to use them more. This combines with the late-game grind for money which has you basically roaming around looking for anything to attack for loot drops, and you effectively become a Cyberpsycho through prompting of the game's design. From an NPC's perspective, you're a chromed-up combat cyborg roaming the streets attacking anyone with anything to take. To them, you ARE a Cyberpsycho.

Yeah this one seems to be particularly problematic, despite fixes

@@Kazuliski Good all the same

I like to think Ziggy just keeps cutting him off lol

I just know hot it worked in the old tabletop game. In short, the more dehumanizing and invasive cybertech is the more it lowers your natural charisma and empathy. People who already have a naturally low empathy are at bigger risk, but if you jam in enough people will eventually drop to 0 Empathy and lose it. It's a balancing mechanic. If players were given no consequence, they would build their PCs into hovertanks given the chance. Or something like that.

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Ziggy doesn't run the Crystal Palace. He was just paid to advertise them.

That's something you can install in people, in different variations. If you sell out to a sponsor, they could give you a deal. In exchange for giving you an unwanted extra, like a cortex bomb or an obedience switch.

Couldn't been a good quest

he mean NY subway

Thats not how cybernetics work. A fully cybernetic arm is still an arm. The brain uses the same neurons for a real arm and a fake arm. Any additional cybernetics wouldnt be a new organ. It would be an addon, like a phone. We uss the phone all the time. Its not a new organ. It wouldnt be a new organ if it was in our skin either

concidering theese videos are played in real time them being at low fps was prob for performance.

deep state shill

You mean Republicans? They are literally the one who literally glorifying gun and weaponry.

When some dingus wants to politicize something just to get a dig in. That moment when you fail to realize that cyberpunk environments tend to be a Libertarian wet dream when it comes to the corpos, and a nightmare for anyone else.

It has always been that way, both sides even profit off violence.