Their work on Metroid do make me wish for them to do another Castlevania game. Just to see what they can do now.

@@nachoolo I like to think their experience on Lord's of Shadow 1 and Mirror of Fate helped them hone their skills to make Samus Returns and Dread. That and with Nintendo's oversight and care really shines through in what this studio is capable of! Would love to see them do another Castlevania!

@@kbbkkbbk9999 Exactly, it was diet God of War with none of the charm of either series

@@kbbkkbbk9999 suuuuuure it was the “anime” part that westerners loved and complained about LOS for not having. not like DS and judgment were bashed for being recognizably anime

Now only Mercury Steam needs to actually care about their employees

I believe it look what happened to LoS2 Konami murdered it.

Imo, as edgy as it is, I think that honor goes to Dante's Inferno. Lords of Shadow is a close second for me, though.

Lamont of innocence came out 2 years before god of war and has almost the same combat style. If anything god of war is a castlevania style but people don’t give it credit for it.

Dante's Inferno is the one for me

GoW is a DMC clone. And now its a Dark Souls clone.

@@darrylreid8145 People for a long time thought devil may cry was a god of war clone, the mass is stupid in general.

Yeah, for a game by itself, it's amazing.

@@painasura1403 nah not even that, game is generic and derivative af, glad that awful reboot trilogy flopped hard

​@@wallacesousuke1433NAH its great.

​@@wallacesousuke1433Cheer up chuckles

Take away the name "Castlevania" and people complain will be almost none for the series, they just Castlevania fanboys, I liked both games and even if they have some issues (like the stealth parts on 2), they are overall good games that mocks games released today (would anyone rather forspoken over this?)

Forspoken is trash

Damn, now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. Yeah, you do have a point. Sheesh tho, didn't expect to hear about legacy of kain, those games dummy underrated.

To be fair in LoS dude became a Vampire to go kill extra dangerous demon - exactly opposite of "Fuck the world", then resisted "curse" for a while until going mad (also those whom he tried to protect going Holy Crusade on his ass didn't help the matter at all). So similar in end result but different starting point. Kain never was a nice person and his choice to become Vampire Lord and screw over 9 pillars was out of pure selfishness (he got wiser with years but still).

@@Ghostel3591 you hit the nail on the head dude 👍

Only it hides deeper motives and a puppet master behind the scenes who creates an unbeatable plan by normal means.

Aiming for a legacy of Kain storyline is not a bad thing in my book.

For a company with low experience doing these action games, they did pretty well imo, and the games have some charm and a vision, somewhat cohesive even if mediocre

And they went on to make Samus Returns and Metroid Dread, so I'd say they've improved since then too.

The First Lords of Shadow was excellent in all aspects,easily one of the best games of that generation,.from the rich atmosphere,lore and enemy variety the large varied levels and deep rewarding combat.The story and narration are also very well done ....My personally favorite Castlevania and much better then the 2d crap in my opinion..,

@@frankbasile3662 The 2D crap is real Castlevania lol. Lords of Shadow is just an GOW ripoff.

@@frankbasile3662 Yeah they were solid yet they came out at the WORSE time. Since people were not happy with it, then they were really not happy when they found this was the best they're gonna get since Konami doesn't care anymore.

WTF? This cr*p is nowhere near as good as the og GoW games, or DMC, it's about as mediocre and forgettable as Dante's Inferno

LOS 1 is better. I love the fantastic cinematic feel of it and the Forgotten One fight is one of the coolest battles of the genre. Also the story of LOS 2 was a great disappointment. The castle and reality sections of the story should have at least been split into separate games, so much potential lost by cramming the two into a single game.

@@vitalyklimenchuk8392 eh didn't stop me from putting three more playthroughs into it than the first game.

I wouldn't call it a "masterpiece" in the grand video game world, but it is one of my favourite Castlevania games. I bought it day one when it was released and I enjoyed it immensely. The only thing it lacked was another good Satan boss battle at the end. They bothered to give Lucifer that bulky design and they didn't do anything with it. And no, possessed Alucard doesn't count...

That’s all I heard about when this game came out. Everyone focused hard on the stealth sections when there’s probably 3 or 4 of them in the game and all together make up maybe 30 minutes of total playtime, and that’s being generous. Same thing with the first game and the Shadow of the Colossus bosses. That’s only 4 bosses out of what, 15? There are legitimate flaws with these games and I’ll admit, the stealth sections weren’t very good, but I have no idea why everybody clung so tightly to that one complaint as if it ruined the entire game.

@@Ckoz2829 I dont mind the stealth at all,it was easy and only done a few times as you said,..those creatures were designed with armor resistance to Draculas attacks so it makes sense he can't harm them,especially at reduced strength,..it was a small change of pace in the game for only a few minutes each...,

Dude, in terms of gameplay 2 is far, far superior and the story while a little odd and unfinished feeling it's serviceable enough for a video game. But the gameplay improvements make the first game almost obsolete, also Dracula Gabriel just looks badass on top of the game visually holding up on pc.

I disagree with the last thing you said. I'm not a fan of Metroidvania either(they're okay, better than this style wise). And I played lament too. And I can't agree that that's the issue here. Everyone has always known of CV's action background.

Honestly Lords of Shadow and DmC are better then previous games in their series in many ways ,both are intriguing ,engaging very inspired action games that are spectacular in most aspects,..even to the people that can't handle change can't be blind to both games greatness

@@frankbasile3662 DmC is trash and when the original series came back with DMC V, Hideaki Itsuno showed us how a REAL DMC game is made.

@@wackyswacky1374 DmC is a fine game, but compared to 3 4 and 5 it just doesn't compare. And while 1 has definitely aged the worst, it revolutionized 3D action games and that legacy can't be ignored. Add on a story and a take on Dante and Vergil that the fandom absolutely loathes and for good reason, it's no surprise that DmC as a series reboot completely flopped.

@@frankbasile3662 I really like DmC, but compared to DMC1 and 3 it really comes out destroyed in terms of story and gameplay. The only thing that's better are the platforming sections

@@wackyswacky1374 jfc i'm not one to usually say shit like this but seriously. soyjack ass comment.

Yoshio Sakamoto said the reason Mercury Steam was chosen to make a Metroid game was because of Mirror of Fate on the 3ds. Proving that Konami is to blame.

As a long time Castlevania fan who’s played nearly all the games 110%… me neither. It was solid, fun, and had a great story.

Well Konami didn't lack Metroidvania games. They had dozens and they did fine..I doubt mecury at the time could have done a better one than igarashi. Could be wrong. What they needed was a 3d CV on the big boy consoles. That's where CV had failed the last gen... And all gens. And where that DMC and GOW money was. Unless you mean make a 3d Metroidvania.

@@DSan-kl2yc Yoshio Sakamoto said the reason Mercury Steam was chosen to make a Metroid game was because of Mirror of Fate on the 3ds. Proving that Konami is to blame.

YES! Konami are the ones to blame. They screwed IGA, then Mercury Steam, and then the whole series.

Yuh know. Some parts ain't that bad. Plus closest thing we've had to a blood omen game in ages so I kinda had fun too.

ESPECIALLY the first DS game

@@TheExFatal Lordran is amazing to move trough... At least the bits preO&S

The first DS was a true metroidvania. Less on the mobility more on the interconnected world

Absolutely. Castlevania ended in 2008 and then Demon's Souls came out a year later in 2009, and it had everything you would want out of a Metroidvania but in 3D. Most Castlevania fans moved on to the Souls series and never looked back. At least, not until Bloodstained came out. Bloodstained was a decent game, but it's meager scope and budget just can't compete with the juggernaut that is Fromsoft now.

Castlevania ≠ Souls / borne games These are totally different beasts for me and even objectively this doesnt count as a spiritual successor . Even Bloodborne isnt really near Castlevanias identity and own brilliance . Just because both are horror-gothic in its theme doesnt mean they are alike . Bloodborne goes for eldritch horror while Castlevania goes more into the universal monster horror which later on got that romantic touch behind it ( Just look the coverart of Castlevania SotN and chronicles alone which captures Castlevania perfectly that bloodborne and Dark souls not have ) . The souls-games have huge worlds to explore that are connected to a huge event which is connected to many important creatures and persons while Castlevania is only depending on Draculas return/ressurection/rebirth alone in his always changing castle (a creature of chaos in itsself) that make it a world-shattering impact. Maybe the souls games are more like the NES/Snes/Megadrive games but even these games introduced different ideas that brought more possibilities on its mechanics to be more versatile instead in the Souls-game to be more reactionary in its gameplay. And especially the Lore of castlevania is way too different next to the souls games. Not that the Soulsborne-games are bad . The souls games are more ominous and are even sceptical in its design , lore and atmossphere which makes those games different and awesome. And Castlevania with Dark souls/bloodborne gameplay sounds unfitting or even bad . I would see more a evolved gameplay approach of castlevania 64 instead playing another souls-clone disguised as one of my favourite franchises . Would be very disheartening for me and many other castlevania fans.

I agree

They not good.

They pretty good

The stealth sections aren't even bad. They also only last about 1 minute unless you're mentally handicapped. Only one I had trouble with was the 3 guards at one door because I forgot 20 hours ago they told you that the knife can distract guards.

Probably nothing special, but he did have a millennium to bulk up. And for what? All he did was possess Alucard with a considerably slimmer physique. All those gains WASTED!

@@Ckoz2829 Yoshio Sakamoto said the reason Mercury Steam was chosen to make a Metroid game was because of Mirror of Fate on the 3ds. Proving that Konami is to blame.

That doesn't even make sense. The tutorial level is a pretty awesome opener and the next maybe hour is some cutscenes and minor stealth. Game is great within 2 hours and amazing feeling afterwards.

​@@Bourikii2992 Ok, it doesn't make sense then, I was wrong, you're right and the game is actually shit after all, my bad.

I'm a huge fan of the original CV games, so LoS made me shudder in disgust right from the start. However, I have the mindset that you mentioned, giving things their fair shake. I might hate them from a distance, but maybe playing them would give more insight and appreciation for them. Nope. I tried. I REALLY tried. I 100%ed the first and middle games and the second game is just so painful to look at that I gave up on it within a few hours. I really, REALLY tried. Even after completing the first game, it only made me loathe the game even more because it made me realize that the game would have been better as an entirely new IP. It didn't feel like CV at all. The game isn't absolutely awful. I'd venture far enough to call it decent. But. It. Is. Not. Castlevania. Attaching the name "Castlevania" to a new IP just feels like usurping the recognizability of the brand for attention. If "Lords of Shadow" was its full name and it was a new IP that had nothing to do with CV, then I'd probably like it more, but this is such a massive departure from - and what feels like a middle finger to - the original games that I can't in good faith say that Lords of Shadow, which I gave its fair shake, has any right being a Castlevania game.

Cope harder, you can't simply butcher a renowned IP and expect the fans of said IP not to be revolted by this lame reboot (and even if you disregard the Castlevania name, these games are bad on their own, being nothing but lame GoW clones)

​@@wallacesousuke1433 man I've seen you in every comment section so do us all of favor and shut up if we like it we like it if you don't you don't

You take a sip from your trusty vault 13 canteen

We won't go quietly, the Legion can count on that.

What I find interesting is that Ninja Gaiden is pretty much Ninja Castlevania, yet that got praise for its change, when Castlevania did a similar change and got shit for it.

I got a huge grin on my face from seeing that. I used to watch Balloonshop all day long. I still quote them once in awhile but I don’t think my sisters even remember what I’m referencing lol.

Aw. Now that.... That is a reference from the days of old. Makes me want to dance and burn up. The fuck happened to those guys. So talented.

Gotta churn that butter.

Lord of Shadows 1 is an amazing game that people hate on unfairly .

2 is unfairly hated as well. Seems like people read ign type reviews or watched 2bfp complain about the mildly annoying at worst stealth sections and wrote the game off.

I thought god of war was inspired by DMC

@@princeofbased5730 it is. But it's very different from DMC

They were the evil halves of their ascended selves.

🤢

I had the complete opposite effect lol. I loved Lords of Shadow but Lament of Innocence nearly bored me to tears with its level design. The combat wasn’t half bad, the story and characters were good, and the music was great. But I always hated trudging through that barren castle where every room looks identical and are connected by mile long hallways.

I'm not surprised. That doesn't mean I LIKE the game or that I think it deserved the attention, but considering how these things go? Mentioning the word "reboot" is a marketing boost in and of itself. Plus, the first game was announced around the time that God of War was still in people's minds. Is it a faithful CV game? God no. But it checks all the boxes for "What will grab the mainstream's attention?" And it did. Basically, I'm not surprised it was such a success because its success is largely predicated on NOT being a faithful CV game. The previous games did fine, but this reboot is like launching an entirely new IP while wearing the CV skin. If the previous games were ever going to sell as good, they would have already. It's the change itself that allowed LoS to be successful. So quite literally, NOT being a faithful CV game is what gave it such success. Other examples of this: Tales of Arise and Breath of the Wild. Massive departures from the formulas of their predecessors, which allowed them to be massive successes by drawing in new fans the prior games couldn't appeal to. None of what I just said can be translated as "These games are good" or "These games are bad". It's just the fact that these games....are. They prove that a game's quality is irrelevant. If quality put bvtts in seats, earlier titles would have filled those seats already.

Honestly not that surprising if you consider the platforms each game was released on. Of course games that are released on ps/xbox/pc will sell more than one that is exclusive to a thing. And since a lot of fans of the old Castlevanias got burned by LoS 1 they didn't bother with the other reboot releases. Hence why they did worse.

Seemed pretty faithful to me, loads of different monsters, Christian themes, chain whip, Dracula. Certainly more fun than any other 3D attempt at castlevania to boot. First one is good but the second game is far less frustrating by simply adding a God damn air dodge.

Yoshio Sakamoto said the reason Mercury Steam was chosen to make a Metroid game was because of Mirror of Fate on the 3ds. Proving that Konami is to blame.