Glad you like them!

Glad it was helpful!

Thanks! Vintage RC's have so much character! 👍😎

Glad you like them! 🙂 Your comments and supports are great appreciated! Thanks!

Thanks 👍

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Glad it was helpful! Thank you! 🙂

Thank you!

Thanks for watching! I wasn't sure if this kind of video would be interesting to anyone! ☺️

@@KaiCityRC its all great content mate and the vintage enthusiasts out there love it!

Thank you for the very kind words! 😊The Turbo Optima and Avante are two icons of RC. Great choice! 👍

Thank you! 🙂👍

Thanks for taking the time to comment. 👍

Thank you and welcome to the channel! 👍

Glad it was helpful! Thanks! 👍

They're all fantastic and you can't go wrong with any of them! 👍 The Turbo is probably my favorite simply because it was my first Legendary Series buggy!

Thanks! Yeah, there is something about the way the Tomahawk looks! Not sure what it is, but it certainly is one of my favorites! 👍

I prefer the look of the scorpions and their open cockpit design. They look more realistic and scale as I own an actual off road buggy that was built in the 1980s and it looks very much like the scorpion buggies. My full scale has a Chenowth frame, 2200 V.W. motor, disk brakes, power rack and pinion steering, turning brakes, etc. It’s old school and it’s a blast in the desert or sand.

Thanks fot the support! 😊

Thank you!

Thank you for the correction!! 👍 I just checked the info I had and realized I mis-read the Japanese. 🤦 The Turbo Scorpion did come out around 1985. That makes a whole lot more sense! 😁

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Thanks! ☺️ Great collection! 👍 The Tomahawk is a very special buggy and there's something about the way it handles that always brings a smile to my face. 🙂

Thanks! I'll probably do a video on the 4WD buggies at some point. But, they're all highly recommended. 👍 Yeah, clean up is a real pain, especially if you've got four to do! 😅

The Ultima is a great buggy and in many ways the best handling of the bunch. But it's also the most modern design. I think you'll really enjoy the build of the older Legendary Series re-releases. The Turbo Optima with all its gold looks so good 😎. Eventually I'll get around to building mine! 😁

Tomahawk is a very close second for me! It looks so good, and the compact, low profile body makes the rear tires appear huge! 😀

Thanks for the support and comments! 🙂 I'm finding it so much harder to sit in front of the camera and talk. Before I start I have everything planned out that I want to say, but hit that record button and it all seems to escape my mind! 😅 Guess I need more practice!

@@KaiCityRC I do not think so! You are doing wonderfully. just let it flow! For me, and english is not my native language, your videos in front of the camera are very easy to understand and follow. It is a pleasure to hear your speech and enjoy your pure emotion for RC. I think the videos in front of the camera are just right and don't need to be improved at all.

Thanks! No real tips, but be careful when setting up the front suspension and make sure everything is lined up and positioned properly. On the Turbo Scorpion watch for the tires rubbing on the trailing arms at full lock. The steering rod goes through a rubber cover for dust protection, which can make later adjustments a little tricky. I did find that with my Futaba servo in neutral and the steering rod length set to specs I needed to use quite a bit of trim to get it to run straight.

The Tomahawk and Scorpion rear wheels don't use a hex fitting I'm afraid. They're held in place by friction. So the wheels you have are probably genuine Tomahawk wheels. You may be able to use the wheels by fitting the Kyosho friction pad set up in place of your hex adapter. The part is Kyosho #SC234 "Drive Washer Set". You can also get the Tomahawk manual from the Kyosho homepage if you'd like to see more details and part numbers. Thanks! 👍

@@KaiCityRC That's good news. Thanks so much for clarifying that. The Tomahawk and Scorpion are both very cool cars. If I get lucky I can get one at a good price and have some spare wheels. ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

I'd definitely go for the Turbo Scorpion. The Javelin is great, but if you already have a Mid, I think you'll appreciate and enjoy seeing what the 2WD buggies have to offer. 👍

Totally agree! One of the nice things about Kyosho is they made numerous small updates to the kits, addressed many common issues and generally made them more suitable for modern motors and electronics. While all the time, keeping true to the original designs. 👍

Thank you. Kyosho sell several different colors for the electronics box and rear wing, including red, black, white and yellow. I replaced the kit yellow one for a black one. 👍

Thanks for taking the time to comment.🙂 Yeah, I'm sticking with Nimh for a variety of reasons. There's no denying the benefits and potential risks of Lipo, but the extra hassle isn't worth it for me.

Various reasons really. As a casual user, I felt I didn't really need the extra power lipo offered. At the time of recording I mostly ran alone at the park, so the drawbacks of lipo were not worth the extra performance gains. When heading out to the park (or wherever) I'd have to charge the batteries before leaving the house, but I would not know until I arrived at the location if I would be able to run. The park might be too busy, the grass too tall etc. Many times I would not be able to find a suitable place to run. It was quite frustrating at times! In such instances, I could leave the nimh in a charged stay until the following day/weekend, but that wouldn't be good for a lipo. As I almost aways ran alone, there wasn't any need for the extra performance lipo offered. Also, most of the re-releases have suspension (springs, damper oil, pistons etc) set up for heavier nicad and nimh packs. Lipo being much lighter can sometimes adversely affect their handling. I found that older Tamiya designs in particular seemed to drive better with the extra weight. Of course, the best option would be to retune the dampers for the lighter lipo packs. Since then I began running at a local circuit. For circuit use lipo, but I still keep my old nimh packs for whenever I'm running in the park. 👍

The Turbo Scorpion shocks are slightly larger than the Scorpion/Beetle ones and make a nice upgrade. However, they are designed to mount to the Turbo Scorpion shocks stays (#SC251 and #SC252) which are taller than the stock Beetle ones (#SC208 & #SC211). Depending on your preference, you could use internal spacers to limit the length of the Turbo Scorpion. I haven't done the mod myself, but looking at the buggies the only issue you might have is clearance between the Beetle body and the shocks at the front.

Thanks, that's really helpful, 👍

Sure thing 😁 Tough choice between the Mid and the Javelin. The Mid seems to be the one everyone has been waiting for, but for me personally, the Javelin is the better looking buggy and more enjoyable build. 👍

They're both great! The Mid has the prestige, the racing pedigree and arguably better performance. But the Javelin is the better looking of the two, is a joy to build and is my favorite of the 4WD's. It also has a much more retro feel, with the option of chain drive and, of course, a driver figure. 😁 They're all superb, so my advice would be just go with the one you like the look of the most! 👍

Yes, getting that part to line up is tricky. After building several I've found that the best approach is to slow tighten the screws on either side of the block little by little. Also, don't be tempted to over tighten them to bring the block flush against the chassis rail. A small gap is fine. Tighten them too far and the thread will strip. (don't ask how I know 😅) And finally, I've only ever managed to get it exactly on the middle mark twice. Every other time was slightly out. I've not noticed any difference in how the suspension works. To be honest, I really don't think it matters as long as it's not way out. Good luck with the build. 👍 Oh, and don't forget the thread lock.

@@KaiCityRC thanks David, appreciate your tips on setting the bar for the front swing arms. Already stripped some hexes trying to remove the screws to adjust the bar. lol Yep tonnes of loctite always on metal builds, in fact I ran out of the Kyosho loctite from using plenty 😁

Thanks! That's interesting to know. Hopefully someone will eventually be able to so a side by side comparison of the re-re and original, as I'm sure there are a multitude of other differences too. 👍

Well, I will hopefully get around to the Kyosho Beetle in the near future. 👍 Truth be told, I'm just about to finish up a Beetle build, 🪲🔧 but it isn't a Kyosho. Though it is a re-release from 1979 😁 Once it and the Kyosho Beetle are done, look out for a "Beetle Mania 2" video. (The sequel to my Beetle Mania video) 😁

WOw, interesting! I have no experience with any of the originals. Surprising Kyosho chose to modify the Turbo Scorpion, but not the others. Thanks for the info! 👍

I think it depends on where you run. I don't notice a huge difference in performance between the Scorpion and Turbo Scorpion. The Turbo is more stable, especially during cornering on rougher ground. A more advanced driver on a track would probably notice the benefits more. I think tires play a huge part, and on grass the Scorpion's rear tires offer a lot more traction than those fitted to the Turbo. The Tomahawk is lighter than the others, and it is noticeable. With most of the weight towards the rear, the Tomahawk has way better traction off the line. It beats out all of the the others (they all use the exact same motor, gearing, ESC and battery) . But with so little weight up front, it suffers a lot more from understeer. That is despite the fact that the Tomahawk can get some pretty extreme steering angle too! 😁 Changing the front tires to a softer compound helped.

@@KaiCityRC Thanks

Thanks! And will do!👍 The Turbo Scorpion is the best handling of the bunch, but there isn’t a huge difference between them if you’re just running at the park or casual racing. 🙂

The Beetle uses friction fittings like the Scorpion/Tomahawk. Only the Turbo Scorpion has the larger wheels, wider track etc. But you can buy the Hex Adapter (Kyosho Hex Driver Washer Set SCW020) if you'd like to use hex wheels. Personally, while the larger wheels of the T. Scorpion look great, I really do like the vintage look of the smaller diameter Scorpion/Tomahawk wheels and tires.

@@KaiCityRC I asked a out the Beetle, mainly out of curiosity....... as a local shop has a Beetle kit, amd I contemplated buying it, just to have one of the trailing arm type cars in my collection... I really like the Turbo Scorpion, that would be my first pick... but that suspension kinda suits a Beetle model....and the Turbo Scorpion wheels on my Ultima have somewhat quenched my desire to have one of those....I got some Turbo Scorpion wheels, as they allow me to get the correct offset, bearing in wheel fronts...and mount up modern 2.2 tires ... I've I've racing my Ultima... Cheers! Maybe I'll get lucky, amd end up with the Beetle, AND somehow a Turbo Scorpion. ...and a Mid, and whatever else they release next....oh, and a Javelin, as I've missed that one too and taken a liking to that in the last few months....lol I habe the Ultima, and Turbo Optima....

I never had the chance to own any of the Legendary series buggies back in the day. But from what I can tell the re releases have many new and updated parts. The gearboxes especially are much better on the new buggies! 👍

Thanks for the comment! 😁 The Tomahawk is Tamiya PS16 Metallic Blue!

@@KaiCityRC Nice man! I have used that on the hard body of a super clod once so makes sense why I like so much!

Thanks! I was born in the UK, but after Uni I moved to Japan. Been here for over 20 years.

@@KaiCityRC Oh wow, tremendous and jealous! ;)

Hi David, great review of this wonderful buggies. I love the look of them all but the Tomahawk is my favourite. That said when the choice came as to which to get… I went with the Ultima 😂🤣 Thanks for sharing your thoughts on them all and I look forward to a similar video on the 4wd options 😁

Glad you liked it! ☺️

Thank you! Good choice of color! I knew from the start I wanted to the Tomahawk in blue I think it really suits the buggy!

I picked up both the moment they went on sale. 😊 I wasn't in any hurry to build either as I was thinking they would (rarity for me) end of shelf queens. Well, that what was I thought. However, I'm planning to enter the Vintage Class in this year's G Force Competition Cup, so I figured I'd build one and enter it. I went with the JJ, though I suspect the majority of entrants this year will opt to run the 870C (including Masami Hirosaka!). The Mid you do get quite a few upgrades, and the price isn't too far off a standard Mid. The JJ however, I feel is way over priced for what it is. Most of the cost comes from the (excellent) carbon chassis, but the rest is pretty much standard Ultima (plus options) and a few other unique parts. But even over here, it retails at almost double the cost of the other 2WD Legendary Series buggies.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on these 2 RC's. I'm tempted to get the JJ Ultima though. I like the carbon chassis instead of the regular semi tub. It gives you more space to put your electronics in. I also like the gold shocks instead of the black and the neon colored wheels. Do you think it'll be difficult if I'll just buy the regular Ultima and add all the upgrades of the JJ Ultima (is it hard to find these upgrades in the market) ?

Good luck in the competition!! Hope you'll post of a video of it in your channel.

That would all depend on a few factors. How much like the JJ kit would you want your converted Ultima to be? The most expensive component (by far) is the carbon chassis, but you'd also need the upgraded gold shocks, the spring kits for those shocks, the ball diff, universals, shock stays, motor guard, wheels, Tomahawk body, Decal set, JJ wing set, battery tray, servo mount etc etc. You can download the pdf manuals for both buggies from Kyosho and get an idea of what would be needed. Using the normal Ultima's gear diff, rear wing and silver motor guard in a conversion would help to reduce the overall cost. It can be done, but whether if it worth it or not is something you would have to decide. Note: the 60th anniversary laser etched motor guard is not available to purchase separately.

Sure. I’m using the 31T pinion for a ratio of 6.9:1. It seems to work well with the 30T Le Mans motor. 👍

@@KaiCityRC Thank you! I'm just starting my Tomahawk build and wanting to try to stay within the kyosho line of motors but they seem very hard to find at a reasonable price compared to other brands here in the US. I could go with a vintage motor yet even some of those are pricey and not sure what condition your really buying. I'm hoping to find a Le mans 490 to keep it new and simple. I don't plan on running this hard at all since it's such a nice kit.

The 490 is a little expensive, but it’s a lovely looking motor and a perfect match for the vintage series. 👍

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