This is the same girl who got stuck inside the jungle gym at the park

I find it hilarious that Elizabeth just casually summons Pixie to use Megidolaon

Why don't we just let Elizabeth deal with Nyx? She would just murder Nyx.

the idea of designing a fight that requires you to look up strategies and the hidden rules is so ridiculous

I greatly respect you for having done this entire tutorial and and even study her entire attack pattern. Great job.

What a pain in the ass. The rest of the game I slept through, and then suddenly the most complicated fight I can imagine.

i have not looked into this fight and went in blind with messiah assuming i’d do decent. she insta killed me with medidolaon, once taking out my enduring soul, the other killing me. i am only now realizing what i got myself into

This is why I prefer 5s velvet attendant fights. They don’t care if you bring personas with null/reflect/ absorb skills or a team. You will need it. Atleast this one she’s not completely ridiculous… unlike her sister in portable

Another option for footwear are the Shoes of Bane, purchasable from Tanaka on 11/29. These nullify dark type instant kills and Liz… actually doesn’t care if you do that because it’s an accessory. But this is perfect for not having to worry about Die for Me!

2:15 That's literally my scream the first time she killed me with one shot...

Finally beat her. On peaceful tho I swear, the rules are the real enemy. One time she froze me and then i absorbed her attack, then she shocked me and the same happened. I too miss clicked by the end (like she'd 12000HP) and activated the 10000HP instakill without endure

I was like: thanks for the heal then boom return to tatarsauce entrance

Loving the use of Disgaea 3 OST in the video bro

Died a couple times and came here curious to see how you would even begin to deal with this lady lol great work 🙏

Also I don’t think a calculator is necessary for phase 3 anymore because the final Megidolaon is indicated by a dialogue prompt.

Finally beat Elizabeth. I couldn't fuse Orpheus Telos, because I couldn't fuse Metatron, because I couldn't fuse Micheal because I somehow missed the last episode of Ken's social link, lol. Instead, I used Baal Zebul for resistance, and magic damage. I also used my level 99 Norn to destroy Thor with Panta Rhei. I also found out from another guide that The King & I theugy can inflict insane damage, when Elizebeth has Surt equipped, from 3800 to 4200. Once I got her to her 2nd phase at 1300, I tried to chip at it enough until she got to under 1100. At that point, I switched out to Aliat who reflects bash, lowered Elizabeth's defence, and reflected the fist to damage her below 10000. It broke the rules, so Pixie tried to stomp me, but I had endure, and finally finished off Elizabeth with Armageddon. Thank you again for making this guide, it was very helpful, and now I feel so satisfied for accomplishing this super boss.

When I got to fusing Orpheus Telos, let's just say the only moves other than Morning Star he could learn were all Physical moves. This felt easier in P3P, because my Orpheus Telos there had Mind Charge (Concentrate) with Niflheim (Diamond Dust), Ragnarok (Inferno), Panta Rhei & Thunder Reign. It resisted everything & had elemental moves.

Thankfully there’s no trophy/achievement for fighting and beating her. I did beat her on Portable though.

Can we just talk about the fact that elizabeth has litteraly killed the mc when he looses the fight ? 💀💀

The no null, repel, drain that kills me every time. My go too set up includes quite a few personas with those on them. I guess I’ll go back with Orpheus Telos during NG+ Side note does beating her get you anything though?

Your guide was really helpful especially the part about her having exactly 20,000 HP. Basically I started the fight majorly unprepared and I opened up Cheat Engine and Attached to P3R and searched for 20,000 and attacked her once which at that point I did 176 damage and I found the value 19824 and I edited that value to something like 1000 on my turn and I did Armageddon and killed her with no problem and I didn't have to do any of that other preparation that you mentioned in the video. I highly suggest this method for anyone that just wants to get past this Major Boss without all the Prep.

Could you make a video how you made each of these persona for the battle step by step with DLC Included Or just the two you suggested Where to get each item equipment It would be much appreciated Myself I have not maxed out every social link In my first play through I'll try to do it in my next play through

Man do i really need to build so many personas from scratch for this fight? I have the compedium finished but my builds look nothing like yours, might be the first time I won't be getting 100% on an rpg

Had a strategy that involved tanking her jack frost's attack. Was able to dodge it/tank it without getting frozen for my first few attempts, the next 6 attempt ended with me getting hit and frozen. This fight alone has made me hate Elizabeth

POV : This is what happen when elizabeth found out that you date other girl after you have a wonderful night with her. 🤣🤣🤣

Nebiros can also Debilitate. It happened late into the fight in P3 tho so idk if there's some rule to it. I got her to 10,547 HP and died to turn limit...I need to take a risk some turns to switch to stronger ele or phys personas because I only have an almighty boosted morning star orpheus telos (no almighty amp/MT boost) Doing it on hard mode with Lucifer's Blade, Unshaken Will chest (didn't farm armor or shoes of light), Shoes of Bane for Dark instakills, and Divine Pillar accessory (firm stance). Sucks because Unshaken will does not prevent Shock, Freeze, or Poison which loses you a lot of turns.

Also one more tip secret scarlet does the most damage if it crits So auto rebellion apt pupil and crit amp + secret scarlet with 99 strength will give you 5.2k damage on merciless (idk if difficulty even matters considering it ignores resistance) And stack up on homunculus like get arnd 12 of them

I thought I'm cooked cuz i don't have high counter (like in fes) but this guide helped me.. thank you

The fear I realized wasn’t the 9999 insta kill. The REAL FEAR is the slap BEFORE the insta kill. You don’t think of it as much until you’re already do dead. It least guarantee ONE GASP from the player if they slip up.

I don't understand what I'm doing wrong. I've followed all the rules, and she just goes straight for Megidolaon. I even faced her with just a lvl. 2 Pixie and she just uses Megidolaon. I'm starting to think she has a grudge against me.

Didn't see it mentioned in the video, but High Counter counts as repelling damage. It was a way to skip her heal in the original game so I guess they accounted for it in the remake. Also, I think she gets mad if you have a full Theurgy gauge going into the fight. I started with Telos so didn't null any elements. I had Unshaken Will and Null poison on, but she doesn't use statuses the first turn and status ailments don't count for the null rule anyway so that shouldn't have mattered. I got rid of the Unshaken will and null poison and she still nuked me until I went in without full Theurgy.

How do you get your personas to 99 stats?

I beat her only with support Chi You and a based elec build for Orpheus Telos. Thanks

I love how well this is explained but i can't fuse for my life 😭 im trying so hard to figure these out

I made to this boss on Merciless today and oh boy, this boss is the biggest bullshit that I ever met on a videogame on my entire life, unwritten rules WTF, I will drop this fight and just go to finish the game

This is the endgame half of my team nullifies or drains

I wonder how much of a nightmare it’ll be to fight her on Merciless

My first attempt was hilarious. Makarakarn > insta kill. I was so confused lol

Now imagine if theurgies could miss

Did it. For some reason on my winning run she just barely if not ever used buffs/debuffs in her third phase. I didnt switch difficulty either, guess I just got lucky.

Dumbass fight for pretentious assholes.

Some of your info is wrong. In peacful you can totally revive yourself and as many times as you you want, as long as you follow all the other rules she wont loop death you. I tested this last night. Also you can armageddon her if it either kills her or gets her to below half health the first time. Then she uses diarahan and enters her next phase

You can defeat her in firts playtrough??, i almost complete my persona compedium and got Armageddom thergy lol

First guide I watch on Elizabeth's fight, WTF IS THIS SHIT I AIN'T DOIN' ALL THAT

Just beat her dude took like 5-6 attenps to figure out the damage numbers then the calculator did the job for me Did the same thing made a chi you and orpheus telos (wind damage) Worked like a charm i gave resistances to my chi you and used seperate persona for staring battle Also idk if i didnt watch the vid properly but the endure and enduring soul keep gettin wasted at the instakill attacks

Man I was going in blind. Like most playthroughs. Only on the last week and have been more OP than my 1st P3P playththrough. Sad that I didnt know certain events that were not social links could prevent me from getting personas. I knew she was after the reaper but damn did I not know about any of these rules. Explains why I kept getting 1 shotted.

Am I the only one who only maxed the social links of the Girl Friends and inting this fight because of lacking Orpheus Telos? lmao

The fucking disgea music was wracking my brain, I was like this is so farmiliar

What is the best way to get the gold quartz you need for the weapons?

If you don't have DLC or Orpheus Telos I have a video explaining how to defeat her without them as well! Check the description or the card at the beginning of the video!

I was thinking about doing this, but naaah dude, I don't hav time for that.

Yea fuck this fight I cant crack enough damage to get her to phase 3

That’s not fun that’s annoying

Is there really a 50 turn limit? I just beat her on hard mode without OT and I SWEAR I HAD to have gone over 50... If not, it must have beaten her on turn 49 😳😳

firm stance makes ali dance useless right? because you can't dodge anymore with firm stance, so why use the shoes with ali dance?

i had outside elizabeth kill trash to load Armageddon, once started Armagd only took half her life, after that she killed me with just one hit, what can i do?😭

She deviates from her attack pattern to screw you over

I just got to this fight and holy shit I am getting destroyed, this shit is not easy lol. Prolly one of the most complicated JRPG bosses I have faced. I might end up leaving it till New Game + when I have Orpheus Telos. I will defeat her eventually though! (also great guide, it's helped me get as far as I have)

For the Elizabeth fight, I know you can only have a single Persona with Enduring Soul and a single Persona with Endure, but if you had an accessory that also gave you Enduring Soul once per battle, does that also get used?

this whole fight seems ridiculous and stupid, its pretty much made for 0.1% of the playerbase.

Phase 2 where you have to lower her HP from 13k to 10k in three turns is COMPLETE BULLSH*T!!!! - I left her at 13,100HP - I used Concentrate - I used Charge - I then used both Heat Raiser and Debilitate - Even with Morning Star and God's hand cast during the next two turns with maxed out personas, and all the Boost/Amp/Single-target, Multi-target Skills (except Crit) I dealt pitiful damage to her, like 900 and 1250 respectively It's impossible to pass this DPS check. Did she get buffed or something?

Secret rules???? I was so confused why she one shots me 3 times

I LOVE that you used Devil Survivor 2 Music. Some real Nostalgia right there thank you.

I tried the Elizabeth fight on peaceful mode (I was farming reaper coins and forgot to switch it back to normal) and she ended me SO easily. All because I reflected a skill back at her... It's going to suck as well since I have five social links left to max before January 31st and I'm currently at January 14th which mean no Orpheus Telos for me. (For context the remaining social links are Chihiro at 6, Aigis at 2, Yukari at 7, Fuuka at 1(don't come for me ^^; ) and Hiraga at 6)

Can someone tell me what happens is your persona nulls elements naturally, like how Thanatos nulls dark skills

I had to rebuild all of my personas to an only resist persona build (buffer/debuff, healer, almighty and multi element single target boost) all of them with endure, all of that in a ng+ ofc

Why did you use firm stance and Ali dance? Doesn't firm stance make it so you can't dodge attacks?

Welp, I’m fucked

maaan fuck this fight bruh

Just beat her today on my first play through and damn that was an annoying fight

My other question is how do teach diamond dust to orpheus telos

yo shes at 15,024 hp and i have no theurgy bar and i heard at 13500 hp you skip the phase should i build up the theurgy bar or should i play normally and i also have enduring soul and endure

I just tried and failed, I went with Helel, made her shift the pattern and drained her Makougaon... I don't think I need to do this battle hahahahahahaha. My life is already hard enough. 😂

I really don’t wanna change my Orpheus and Thanatos build is there another way I can beat this?

dam its impossible for me to max out all slink sany alternatives to orpheus tellos

hey dude awesome video! Was just wondering if you had a guide on making personas? Only when i tried to make a Lucifer with all 8 skills inherited to make it a passive opener, i could still only transfer 4 skills, and cant figure out why? wonder if you had any advise?

I never thought of using a calculator for this. I won't be able to defeat her since I lack the Personas and abilities to do so.

i got to phase 2, but i couldn't beat the damage check. i don't think my almighty skills are strong enough, do u have any tips? i don't have any almighty boosts

It I really don’t wanna change my Orpheus and Thanatos build is there another way I can beat this?

I don’t have the retries during battle why ?

Ima be honest. I liked the twins or Margret better. This fight is way more complex than it needs to be

Do u have to get through the previous monad passages aswell?

This has to be one of the worst boss fights in videogames. The sheer mental gymnastics players are required to do in a fight that tells them nothing about the rules themselves is delusional. She cheeses you unless you beat her in one very specific way and the game never tells you why she cheeses you. I can guarantee you anyone who has ever faced her for the first time got a megidolaon one tap on their first turn wondering wtf just happened. If not for the internet nearly no one would ever beat her. She forces you to give away all your 80k yen worth of Personas and the game doesn't even let you get rid of them, you have to fuse them over and over until their numbers are few and make sure they also apply to every requirement, you got 1 forgotten persona with null or repel despite not using it against her? Tough luck get cheesed trying to figure out what you did wrong again. Only way to play this encounter is solo which already cuts in half all the game knowledge and mechanics and another 40% by cutting the majority of Personas and abilities that cna get you cheesed by her. I thought the twins and Lavenza where preety fun and challe going fights but Elizabeth was just a tedious grind I only did for the item and don't intend of ever touching again.

Was excited to fight this boss after dying a couple times i realised theres something im doing wrong. after watching this video.... This isnt even fun anymore

Elizabeths boss is actually so dumb I was about to use armogedden but she decided to use 2 megidolans in the same turn which instantly killed me

Bro you said you can use just telos and chi you but you need almighty damage? Dude help

I feel that my problem is that I still have the mindset of trying to have it all like you could in p5r. Also I struggled with knowing who to have or switch to. Additionally, I put it on peaceful and still didn’t help. On NGplus and I’ll probably recreate personas to have certain skills to make things good. My main one was angelic grace but gotta give it up.

WTF, you never mentioned how to survive DIE FOR ME spell since that wastes my ENDURE.

Can someone explain why she just megidolaons me first turn? I don't have any "null somehting" in my equipment, I start the battle with "loki, chi you, thor" it doesn't really matter she just megidolaons forever. I think my game is broken.

I've died multiple times trying to beat her and I am already on peaceful mode all because I don't know/ struggle to figure out which Personas I am suppose to use on which turn 🙃

Do you have any tips for getting allmighty amp? I tried for an hour straight and it only mutated 4 times into other passives that werent almighty amp. Does the persona level matter?

What i find more funny about this fight is that Elizabeth only states one clear rule: you've got to go there alone. But then, in the actual fight, there're all these rules that you either follow strictly or she'll inmediatly wipe the floor with your ass.

One of the most obnoxious boss in a game yet If there’s rules to follow then it should tell us beforehand it’s annoying time waster to figure out

How much time would it take to inherit all the right skills to all the Personas? Right now I'm doing a run to unlock Telos and plan on doing Elizabeth in the future

On phase 1 whenever I do a certain amount of damage she skips personas in the sequences and gets me instakilled😭

This fight was dogshit back in FES, was dogshift in P3P, and is STILL dogshit in P3R, a legacy of trash. I hate how obtuse the rules are and how much time they arbitrarily waste, punishing you for doing exactly what works for every single other fight in the game, and I'd argue for most of the franchise. She is nowhere near as bad as any game that demi-fiend shows up in or lucifer in demi-fiends own game (whom funily enough also has a fuck you I now heal myself to full gimmick), but nothing beats just how utterly artificial Elizabeth's difficulty is tbh.

Why are there rules like that, thats so dumb😭

How did you get morning star on thanatos??

finally beat her holy shit if you miss once you get fucked this is more of a puzzle fight tbh a good one but damn its frustrating anyway thx for the guide using a calculator helped

would you happen to know how to get chi you with the auto skills? I can't seem to figure it out myself, and there isn't much online right now :(