Keep Going - Tim Conway

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I'll Be Honest

I'll Be Honest

4 жыл бұрын

Does the reality of salvation by grace apart from works mean that we don't have to endure to the end? We can't allow our theological systems and preconceived ideas to cause us to not hear what Scripture is clearly telling us. Jesus says in Matthew 10:22, "The one who endures to the end will be saved."
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@samaldridge5283
@samaldridge5283 4 жыл бұрын
I very much struggle in trying to grasp how well I'm living for Christ. Please pray that I would love Him, and desire God more
@HAB49
@HAB49 4 жыл бұрын
I would invite you to go in your room and ask Jesus to set you completely free from sin if you truly want freedom.We have to abandon things that we love for the sake of Jesus and that's how we show that we are serious (He'll get closer to you if you do what He says). _1.But when you pray, _*_go into your inner room_*_ , shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen.And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you_ Matt 6:6 _2.Remain in My love.If you keep My commandments, you will remain in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and remain in His love_ John 15 Faith+love for Jesus=Freedom 🙏
@koriribarsosio4174
@koriribarsosio4174 4 жыл бұрын
Just surrender. Let go. Choose Jesus with one mind. It's the only way you will be truly free. The struggle is an indication that you have not yet fully given over your will to God
@chrishughens3266
@chrishughens3266 4 жыл бұрын
If you ask me Sam, more people should struggle with those issues. Yours is the narrow path and it's a journey. I'll pray that you find more peace and genuine joy in this journey. The real journey begins when we come face to face with our Creator. That's the eternal trip you're headed towards.
@samaldridge5283
@samaldridge5283 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you all for the encouraging support. May His grace be with you all
@colton7373
@colton7373 4 жыл бұрын
@@HAB49 He is in us. Him in us and us in Him. God bless
@lanadoesathing
@lanadoesathing 4 жыл бұрын
Our battle as Christians is not on one, but on three fronts. I think that's why it's so hard. The first is our flesh. The second is Satan and his demons. And the third is the world. My walk with Christ has felt near impossible at times, because on one hand the world is condemning me for believing such an "intolerant" message as the Gospel, and on the other hand, I'm so dominated by my own sin that I feel like a hypocrite because I don't even obey the God who I claim to be a disciple of. And on top of all of that is the temptation to just give up and join the world, and the fear that maybe I was never meant to be saved in the first place, so I might as well stop trying. It's brutal. But we should keep pressing on, because it will be worth it in the end.
@mindspace3863
@mindspace3863 4 жыл бұрын
Never ever give in! While watching this sermon of Tim's I trembled and was scared because I have failed God too many times to mention. But we have God on our side. Do you wish to obey God and to be more like Jesus Christ? I do, but I deeply struggle all day long. I'd give up anything to be like Christ, if I could click my fingers and become perfect in obediance like Christ, in righteousness and faith, I would do so instantly! But God has another means, a means of endurance that we all must face. It's hard, and it suppose to be. But there in me is a raging passion of faith and hope that moves me to keep on peddeling through.
@weinerworld2317
@weinerworld2317 4 жыл бұрын
“"Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:24‬ ‭ESV‬‬ “On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:22-23‬ ‭ESV‬‬ May we always abide in Him no matter what. Increase our faith Lord🙌🏻🙏🏻
@How.To.Get.Saved.
@How.To.Get.Saved. Жыл бұрын
This is one of the most amazing sermons, and it's on my favorite sermons list. The thought of ever turning away from the Lord is terrifying. Every day I pray I'll never turn away, that he'll keep my soul. Where am I going to go? He has the words of eternal life. There's nowhere else worth going. He keeps me in pain and suffering, and honestly, I think that's how he keeps me because I need him constantly, and there's nothing much else here to live for. Plus, he holds us with his love. Praise the Lord for His faithfulness that never comes to an end. None of us have the strength to not fall away. We all need the Lord's strength to keep us. Just like Peter trusted in his own strength, which failed, we can't trust in our own strength. We need the Lord's strength. We have to keep our eyes on the Lord constantly, or we'll sink.
@briangilley5093
@briangilley5093 Жыл бұрын
I sinned and lost faith, only in myself not The Lord. I don't feel trustworthy, in that I'm so alone and only rely on me.
@elibeneb
@elibeneb 4 жыл бұрын
I thank God for teachers like this man. I really needed to hear this God help us all
@varuduhero606
@varuduhero606 4 жыл бұрын
THE ONE WHO ENDURES TILL THE END WILL BE SAVED, GREAT MESSAGE SIR
@mindspace3863
@mindspace3863 4 жыл бұрын
Confident, composed endurance will win through. Panicing does no one any good. What can you change with panic? Not a single hair to turn gray into black. Panic invites trouble and confused thoughts.
@AlinaSiegreich
@AlinaSiegreich Жыл бұрын
Bendito y alabado sea Dios Nuestro Salvador por esta enseñanza. Muchas gracias Pastor Tim. A Jesucristo sea la gloria, por los siglos de los siglos. Amén.
@thatotlhaselo9193
@thatotlhaselo9193 4 жыл бұрын
Is not about rankings but still Pastor Tim and Paul Washer are just the best top 2 in the world preachers in the world. Just true prophets that open eyes and of course glory be to God who inspires them. Please Pastor pray for me to be saved I'm stuck in sexual sin. I know i have a strong calling to preach the gospel in my country but my sin delayes that. Please pray for me to surrender myself to God
@Ancient-Paths
@Ancient-Paths 4 жыл бұрын
If you are stuck in sexual sin - then STOP IT. You sin because you enjoy it. Until you start to hate it (any sin) - you will never overcome. If you are saved you have the power of God and His strength within you to do so. If you are not saved - then call upon God for His mercy, repent and begin to walk with Christ. Whether we sin or not is a daily choice. I am not being harsh - I have to talk to myself like this - in order to STOP sinning. It is my choice - no amount of prayer and deliverance can bring me to a point of repentance. When you hate the sin - you are on the way to being set free. However, I will pray that you are given the grace to see the sinfulness of (all) your sin - and to hate it because it grieves the Father.
@spencerburgess3689
@spencerburgess3689 4 жыл бұрын
@@Ancient-Paths Experientally it is your choice, but actually repentance is completely a work of God. What we must do is tarry with God as long as it takes for Him to change our hearts and not sleep until He does a work in our hearts. He will give us a new heart with new desires. We cannot do this, we can put forth all efforts but they will be in vain if we aren't given the gift of loving God. If we love Him we will keep His commandments, and we can't love Him of our own accord. So we must diligently pray and be alone with God until He changes us.
@spencerburgess3689
@spencerburgess3689 4 жыл бұрын
You know how I was freed from sexual sin? After so long of trying my hardest to stop it, I recognized that I was an utter failure and I couldn't do anything on my own. So I continually asked God, my prayer was this "rekindle me Lord, rekindle my love for you as it was when I first had assurance of being in You. Rekindle me. Rekindle me. For your glory. For my sake as well, for I am afraid of losing You, but For your glory foremost. Rekindle me. Create in me a clean heart, I can do nothing apart from You. Rekindle me, I want to love you." And do not cease until He has done a work in your heart.
@chuckdambrosia3933
@chuckdambrosia3933 4 жыл бұрын
Amen. Conway & Washer are the 2 best preachers of our generation.
@MG-hg1sq
@MG-hg1sq 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ancient-Paths First Someone needs to get Born again
@terrybarkman3219
@terrybarkman3219 2 жыл бұрын
This is something my Grandpa pounded into me while he was still alive,
@mariascotti1219
@mariascotti1219 4 жыл бұрын
😇Thanking God for the blessed message. God bless all brethren and keep everyone safe😇
@solosolosiervodecristo1488
@solosolosiervodecristo1488 4 жыл бұрын
The holy spirit does not encourage sin, but he gives you the gift of faith. And faithfullness. Seek Jesus Christ. He will do it my friends.
@GeneralKado
@GeneralKado 4 жыл бұрын
That hits home, thx brother. Pray for me for holding on and keep going every day!
@l-jo911
@l-jo911 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for these messages. I love I'll be Honest. I'm so thankful for these teachings to supplement my local church. I've grown so much, and have been helped time after time by Tim and other elders at Grace Community.
@NikolaSekuloski
@NikolaSekuloski 4 жыл бұрын
Amen
@charlespackwood2055
@charlespackwood2055 4 жыл бұрын
thanks for telling truth, bro.
@stephaniedavis1847
@stephaniedavis1847 4 жыл бұрын
Please pray for me I've become callous , Need all the help I need
@sittingwithhope1890
@sittingwithhope1890 3 жыл бұрын
I will pray for you
@mandygainey312
@mandygainey312 2 жыл бұрын
Very powerful!!!!!! Thank you, Pastor Tim!!!!!!!
@faithinwhatChristdidonthecross
@faithinwhatChristdidonthecross 3 жыл бұрын
I am so thankful to the Lord for this teaching. Thank you pastor Tim you have helped me so very much over the years.
@shelbycurry721
@shelbycurry721 3 жыл бұрын
He always brings up Pilgrim’s Progress!
@joserodolforamirez8773
@joserodolforamirez8773 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful truth brother!!!
@filemom4391
@filemom4391 2 жыл бұрын
A Paz do Senhor irmãos. Ansioso para ouvir na tradução português BR. Os sermões do Pr. Tim são maravilhosos; ricos em ensinamentos e exortação para vivermos em Cristo. Glória a Deus pela vida dele e dos demais pastores a qual o Senhor tem usado.
@alexbarianos5472
@alexbarianos5472 2 жыл бұрын
"The desert GOD'S proving ground" Acts 14:22B the best fruit is in the desert, the best water is a stream in the desert
@JoanneOlayinka
@JoanneOlayinka 4 жыл бұрын
We needed to hear this!! OSAS is a dangerous doctrine that ignores many of the scriptures discussed here. Thank you for waking me up.
@hotice8885
@hotice8885 4 жыл бұрын
No truly saved person says "everything is ok," after being justified by faith, knowing that Ephesians 6 is saying that now the fight *starts* . Those that turn away and say that they can now "do what they want" did NOT become "new creatures in Christ."
@basha0810
@basha0810 4 жыл бұрын
"When were you saved?" "Ummmmm, mom? I think it's written in the cover of my bible." Lol. I have a friend that is unsaved. Her father died not long ago. She found his bible in a final bag unpacked from his belongings. She said that it was "family tradition" to put a bible in their suitcases when they travel .... they don't read it. It's just "tradition." 😳😣 Right after I gave my life to the Lord, I was at a friend's place. I picked up an old bible from his shelf and opened it. He asked me to please put it back, that it was his late grandfathers. He didn't want it "wrecked." 😳😣 Wow. Excellent sermon.
@crucifiedwithchrist9367
@crucifiedwithchrist9367 2 жыл бұрын
People will steal your crown? Jesus said, John 10:28-30 "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, NEITHER SHALL ANY MAN pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and NO MAN is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."
@wingnutmcspazatron3957
@wingnutmcspazatron3957 8 ай бұрын
People can't steal your crown, but they sure can lie to you and convince you to give it to them.
@stose85
@stose85 4 жыл бұрын
I think this may help others that are confused by the way this sermon is presented. As Christians we are saved by grace through faith and by striving each day to endure we have assurance that we are those with "good" soil in the parable. If a person who states they are a Christian but they don't persevere, eventually they may fall away. Clearly by scripture those people were "not of us" and were never saved. Faith saves, works are evidence of that faith. If you have no evidence of salvation you need to examine yourselves. 2 Corinithians 13:5 Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?-unless indeed you fail to meet the test! The worst days of sin point me back to Christ and enduring each day give me assurance that I will endure to the end, if I continue to fight the sin in my life. It's the day to day victory over sin and faith in Christ that hold me up in the times when I fall.
@Ancient-Paths
@Ancient-Paths 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Abel Stose, for trying to help help us with the confusion that arises within Calvinism. Firstly, however, we must realise that all the warnings mentioned by Tim are addressed to Christians. Why would God tell the unsaved or nominal Christians they must "endure to the end"? You believe the passages are addressing the unsaved and say "if you have no evidence of salvation you need to examine yourselves". The unsaved may put on a good show within the church - but the one thing they all have in common is that they have no desire to examine themselves. I know this to be true - because I spend a lot of time trying to help the 'nominal' Christian (and there are so many of them in the church today) to see his unsaved state. The main evidence of his unregenerate nature - is that he is not prepared to examine himself - he cannot because he does not have the Spirit of God within him to do so. You agree when you say you daily fight the sin within you - as a good Christian. IF I am correct - and the OSAS doctrine is false - then the passage in 2 Corinthians 13:5 you mention would be addressing a backsliding Christian not an unsaved person. Reading such a passage can bring conviction to the saved person, and by God's grace he can repent and return to the faith. An unregenerate person (without the Spirit of God within him and often convinced by the OSAS doctrine) will generally not be convicted by such a Scripture. He needs to be taken to the Cross and regenerated.
@stose85
@stose85 4 жыл бұрын
@@Ancient-Paths I would agree with several things you said, except that the scripture should be viewed from both perspectives unsaved/saved. Why would Paul tell us that if we examined ourselves that some would find we were without Christ? As a self deceived person I was raised with a lot of unbiblical teachings, I thought because I asked Jesus into my heart as a child that I was saved, but my life never produced fruit. It was God using biblical teaching on self examination that spoke the truth I needed to hear which also led to true repentance and salvation. There are no backsliding Christians or those that live perpetually in sin. You either have Christ and bear good fruit, or you do not. I do agree that there will be unbelievers alongside believers in the church until the very end.
@Ancient-Paths
@Ancient-Paths 4 жыл бұрын
@@stose85 Great testimony ... You are correct regarding the unsaved ... the trouble is I am too dogmatic (and black and white) in my approach. This is why I have so much trouble with Calvinism - it just seems so complicated. Of course, those who have been "appointed unto salvation" will come to the Lord eventually - even if by a circuitous route. In which case the convicting Scripture you quoted can be applied to the saved and also to those about to be saved - and under the conviction of the Holy Spirit. Scripture, however, is mainly for committed Christians - if others benefit - so much the better. "Continuing on in the faith to the end," however, can only be applied to a committed Christian.
@1920s
@1920s 4 жыл бұрын
Abel Stose What do you mean there are no backsliding Christians?
@stose85
@stose85 4 жыл бұрын
@@1920s the only verse (to my current knowledge) that you will find the word backsliding in is Proverbs 14:14 here the Hebrew word is "cuwg" figuratively to apostatize (an act of refusing to continue to follow, obey, or recognize a religious faith). They went out from us, but they were not of us. If a true Christian falls into sin they will turn from it immediately or face discipline from God. Hebrews 12: 6 "For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives.” If we do not face God's discipline we are not one of his, and therefore are children of Satan. People don't fall away from God for years and suddenly return to the fold, rather they were not regenerate prior but came to salvation later in life. Scripture clearly states in several books that the practice of sin is evidence of an unrepentant heart and they are not followers of Christ. What we need to be aware of is, does our live produce good fruit? If we do not produce fruit we are not saved. Matthew 7:17-19 backs up my point, " 17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire." You cannot be a diseased tree and be a Christian. I disagree with the term backsliding because of the connotation it brings. We need to be very careful about allowing others to live clear unregenerate lives and present themselves as followers of Christ. Can a Christian sin? Absolutely, but their life will not be a pattern of unrepentant sin. They will confess with their mouth and turn from that sin. It is only by grace that we are saved. I say all of this in love and hope that this offers a good explanation. Let me know if you'd like to discuss scripture further.
@taz8421
@taz8421 4 жыл бұрын
I’m 16 i was a Luke warm Christian all my life i was born again at 15 and I was in the faith for about a few months, I had backsliden and started doubting and unbelieving for almost a year....2 months ago I had a panic attack and that made me come to my senses and get back to God....I feel as though because I backslid and didn’t endure from the very start to now I might have been cut off by God and that he has turned his back on me.....I’m not going to stop reaching out to Him though.....PLEASE RESPOND
@Ancient-Paths
@Ancient-Paths 4 жыл бұрын
Dear theFxrElise Please, please do not think that God has abandoned you. He called you to Himself in the first place. Yes, you have been disobedient - and I know how it feels. - but you are turning back to Him now. There was a time when I thought I deserved to be abandoned by God - and wondered how He could forgive me - but He did. And do you know - I believe it is more wonderful to truly experience the forgiveness of God in reality - rather than believing He has forgiven all your past sins on one particular day. I truly wept when I felt His forgiveness. I heard God's Word saying "I have loved you with an everlasting love. I have drawn you with loving kindness - I will build you up again" - and He did - and He can do this for you. You cannot be cut off from God unless you reject Him. The panic attack was probably a wake-up call - and shows how much God loves you. If you can believe this - and receive His love - it will enable you to move on. However, I must say - that from now on there must be no playing about with God . He desires a full commitment. If you give Him all you have and all you are - He will commit to you. Obedience brings blessing - but to fail Him again will bring you much heartache. Dwell on the loveliness of God and who He is. Pray much, read His precious Word, and ask Him to bring good Christian friends into you life. He is a wonderful Father (maybe you never had a good father yourself) and He will be everything you need in this life. You are young, and have so much to look forward to. But you must allow your heavenly Father to guide you in everything (Father knows best) and you will receive much joy. Again I say though - be careful what friends you make in the church. Ask God to guide you in this area especially - and also what church you should attend. I shall pray for you and trust God to richly bless your life. With much love Sue xx
@taz8421
@taz8421 4 жыл бұрын
Sue Lewis Amen Thank you 🙏🏽 also ever since the panic attack I have suffered from blasphemous intrusive thoughts and they come in my head off and on any advice on that??
@Ancient-Paths
@Ancient-Paths 4 жыл бұрын
@@taz8421 If it a demonic attack (as long as you are truly saved) you can resist the devil. "Submit yourself to God, resist the devil and he will flee from you." I do not mean commanding Satan to go (but you can ask the Lord to rebuke him). Simply declare to any principalities and powers that Christ is your Saviour and that you renounce the devil and all his works. As soon as a wrong thought enters your head declare that you are resisting it in Jesus name. Find an appropriate Scripture to combat the thought and keep repeating it. Then praise the Lord for his help and deliverance. Ask the Lord to show you why this has happened - and remove all ungodliness from your life (habits, friends, etc.) May God bless and set you free. "Whom the Son sets free - is free indeed."
@ShaneBakerAUVIC
@ShaneBakerAUVIC 4 жыл бұрын
Hang in there, it’s a life long remoulding job that Jesus will fulfil.
@ShaneBakerAUVIC
@ShaneBakerAUVIC 4 жыл бұрын
theFxrElise Don’t be hard on yourself, change and faith happen slowly. Have you ever notice that while we grow older we don’t notice change easily with those we live with or work with but photos show small changes?
@MoonPhaze5
@MoonPhaze5 3 жыл бұрын
How do we deal with family members who hate us because of Christ? They hate the teachings of Jesus, and therefore hate us. What all are we to have to do with them? Go to family gatherings? Or no?
@Ancient-Paths
@Ancient-Paths 4 жыл бұрын
A brilliant message. Not only biblically accurate - but extremely practical. But I like others was confused that a Calvinist could preach such a sermon. Tim clearly (and accurately) teaches that the one who falls away and does not continue to the end is - LOST. He does not say that the person was never saved in the first place (although that is usually the only answer a Calvinist can give). It is obvious that you can only LOSE something if you have previously POSSESSED it. If a person was never saved in the first place - then he has nothing to lose. Why is it that all these passages are clearly addressed to true Christian believers? Check them out. What would be the point of giving such warnings to the unsaved? They do not have the Spirit of God within them to discern their own spiritual state. How can they "continue in the faith" - if they have never begun ? I know personally that the unsaved and 'nominal' Christian in the church today, is sadly never concerned about his salvation - and it is almost impossible to convince him that he has not made a true commitment to Christ. If he has "raised his hand and given his heart to Jesus" (whatever that means) in the past - he is then usually instructed in the OSAS doctrine - and assured he can never lose his salvation. This is why such a doctrine is so dangerous. It is the duty of the true Christian to warn the nominal Christian that he has not made a true commitment to Christ. He will not use the passages in this sermon - urging them to continue in the faith and to hold fast to the end - he will use the salvation passages regarding sin, hell, judgement and repentance. Does this not make sense? If a Christian cannot lose his salvation - then this message (and every biblical warning) is superfluous.
@1920s
@1920s 4 жыл бұрын
Sue Lewis It also paints a picture of the Christian saving himself by his own actions. I’m new in the faith and this is something that has caused me great distress.
@Ancient-Paths
@Ancient-Paths 4 жыл бұрын
@@1920s Do not be distressed. Yes, we are required to endure until the end - but does that mean it will be heavy going? No. On our own we can do nothing - with Christ we can do all things (which He requires). Ephesians 2:8-10 says it all "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." So we are saved by God's grace (a free gift) when we believe and trust wholly in Him. You cannot EARN your way to heaven by your good works alone (without Christ). They are a waste of time anyway - because you cannot earn a free gift. Is there nothing that we have to do you ask? O yes, we are to do the good works that God has planned for us to do (v.10). They are His works really - done in and through the obedient Christian by Christ Himself. We are just to be obedient - that is all. Doesn't it sound easy ? Yes, it is - when we get it right - but we often want to do our own thing and often run ahead of God - or lag behind. I suppose it is a matter of timing really. Someone said the entrance fee to eternal life is free - but the life membership is everything. That is true - but not in the sense that we have to work ourselves to death to please God. "Trust and obey - there is no other way - to be happy in Jesus - but to trust and obey. I have been a Christian now for 35 years - and that hymn sums up the Christian life really well. When we love God we are happy to trust him with everything and we are willing to obey Him. That is not heavy is it? So relax and enjoy your heavenly Father - and get excited about what He has in store for your life. "Good works" are simply to do what a loving Father requires - because of the gratitude you have for Him (in saving your soul). Yes, they are required - but they are not heavy, difficult, or burdensome. As a new Christian all you have to do is enjoy God and wait upon Him. Pray much, read His Word so you know what He requires of you, and expect Him to guide you on a daily basis. I shall be praying for you - so you will not be anxious about this issue. The Christian life should be enjoyable - not a burden. Perhaps this video is a bit too heavy for you at the moment. Try watching some videos that concentrate on the loveliness of our God - and his wonderful nature. May our God bless you richly and reveal His will for your life. Amen
@Ancient-Paths
@Ancient-Paths 4 жыл бұрын
@@1920s Hi again - I forgot to give you a link so you can listen to some lovely Christian music kzfaq.info - Enjoy
@emptytombprod
@emptytombprod 4 жыл бұрын
OSAS is a lie from the pit of hell. You can't fall away from something you were never a part of before. You're spot on.
@Ancient-Paths
@Ancient-Paths 4 жыл бұрын
​@@emptytombprod Thank you Adam. I shall comment further - regarding the lost estate of the Christian and my further confusion regarding Tim Conway.
@ranimungcal
@ranimungcal 2 жыл бұрын
He teaches what scripture says and no doubt about this!..but im just wondering if he always practice what he preaches?because it seems to me that he always obeys and keep of the Lord’s commandments without failing..well i dont know Pastor Tim personaly and im not judging him either..only our Lord knows the heart of a man.
@charlespackwood2055
@charlespackwood2055 4 жыл бұрын
What I was saying was the 3rd person that did not go down into Sodom was the LORD....and according to Habakkuk a reason seems to be is that He cannot look upon evil. So He could not know them in any true sense of the Word. Like depart from me you that work iniquity, I never knew you. So God's holiness limits what He allows Himself to know. If He was able to know everybody, regardless of their thoughts, their hearts or their deeds then He would have been able to know that there were 10 righteous, especially if "they would have come out from among them". The only way God could know everything about Sodom is if He could & would look upon wickedness; ie. if He could scan the depths of man's depravity & it not affect His holiness, grieving His heart & filling it with pain. That is why since the garden of Eden, God's eyes that search humanity are angelic: either portrayed as horses, in the Minor prophets or beings covered with eyes in like Ezekiel. So if I am correct, God because of His nature, cannot depend upon His direct omniscience to know EVERYTHING that involves sin. It would be like a mother being forced to watch a video of her child being brutalized. Imagine a heart totally sensitized in love and absolutely pure being forced to enter a room where the greatest abomination are openly being perpetrated. It would be the greatest pain, because it was the greatest heart. So everything involving sin, that could violate this perfect heart & mind, must be shielded from Him. Like Matter from Anti-matter. The seraphim that surround Him mostly say only three words. In instances that would require a Holy, perfect & pure heart to "partake" of evil or have intimate knowledge of evil, angelic messengers are dispatched instead: to gather information & report back. So it seems to me, if I am correct, that God's holiness mandates that He limits aspects of His "direct, experiential knowledge of things". Furthermore, God's love seems to set bounds to His knowledge in a sense. This is true if Love builds up and certain kinds of knowledge make proud. We know that God is not proud from Habbakuk 2:4 which says: The proud one, his soul is not right within him; but the Righteous One shall live by His faithfulness. Assuming that the Righteous One is God and that He is being juxtaposed against the prideful one, satan, we can probably then deduce that satan is a glutton for the kind of information that causes pride, and that God's "knowledge", or for that matter, "foreknowledge" is of a different sort. There are times in history when God's patience, in love, placed limits upon His wrath or anger, whether temporally or in extent. If God's wrath has been limited by His love than we could say that His love takes precedence over His wrath: especially if this has been the general trend. Now in situations that directly involve the characteristics of love and holiness, if we were to see that God places bounds upon expressing His love towards others in order to preserve His holiness. Then we could say that His chief characteristic is His holiness & that it is impossible for God to violate His own holiness....without becoming common: unGoding Himself. So far, we have God's wrath and knowledge being bounded by His love, and His love being bounded by His holiness. Finally, God has commanded in His Word: "Be holy as I am holy." I understood your response to my statements to be primarily based upon the informational knowledge & foreknowledge of God...which was why I chose this tack. The stronghold of your argument was: the foreknowledge of God. A wise man scales the city of the mighty and pulls down the stronghold in which they trust. Proverbs 22:21 This was my attempt, and that was the best I could come up with at this moment of time.
@kb27787
@kb27787 4 жыл бұрын
12:50 Pastor Tim, where in that Hebrews/Habakkuk text does it mentions being destroyed? (which version of the Bible is that?) The "If anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him" part apparently is a paraphrase of "Behold the proud, his soul is not upright in him"
@melissajordan159
@melissajordan159 4 жыл бұрын
kb27787 Hebrews 10:38 American standard says I have no pleasure in his soul.
@chuckdambrosia3933
@chuckdambrosia3933 4 жыл бұрын
Also, read what Jesus Himself said in Matthew 10:28.
@1920s
@1920s 4 жыл бұрын
How does anyone have assurance? And if it’s on me to endure to the end Ive got to have a lot of confidence in myself. Which I have absolutely none. Perhaps that’s why I’ve been struggling so mightily with assurance.
@Ancient-Paths
@Ancient-Paths 4 жыл бұрын
No your assurance must not be in yourself - it must be in Christ who dwells in you. It often takes a lifetime to grasp that. On your own you can do nothing - you cannot endure to the end - but with Christ all things are possible.
@1920s
@1920s 4 жыл бұрын
Sue Lewis Christ is my only hope, but a sermon like this puts pretty much all the pressure on me. If I endure. Provided I continue. Lots of conditional statements. There’s not a lot of comfort. I turned from my sins less than 5 months ago, and I’m weak. I came out of a long life of debauchery, drugs, and 27 years of prescription medication. My mind and body is damaged. I’m struggling. I have no confidence in myself, and this sermon is downright frightening. I’ve struggled mightily with assurance and the idea that if I’ve “been saved” that I’ll be able to endure to the end. It’s so depressing.
@Ancient-Paths
@Ancient-Paths 4 жыл бұрын
@@1920s I answered the other message first - but I suppose it was applicable to your condition. Thank you for sharing your past life with me - I can now understand why you are so fragile. I never got saved until I was 36 and by then I was an alcoholic - and a bit of a mess. God delivered me from all that and even found me a job. I was happiest as a new Christian - I had a joy that I had never known before. I had a simple life - the trust and obey mentality that I mentioned in my other post is the correct one. I too find doctrine like this very heavy - but I love studying God's Word. However, this whole business of Calvinism has upset me too. I wish I could let it go - but I am determined to find out if it pleases God or not. Calvinist preachers especially Tim are very godly men - but I find it difficult to believe some of their doctrines. Writing all this makes me feel like going back to the "trust & obey" days - which I advise you to do. When you are more mature in Christ - you will be able to cope with all this. As I said before - please don't get depressed about all this - you should be enjoying your new faith. The pressure is not on you - Jesus said "Come unto Me all you who labour and are weary, weak, stressed ,heavy-laden and burdened down with sin - and I WILL give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn of Me for I am gentle and humble is spirit and you WILL find rest for your souls. For My yoke is EASY and My burden is LIGHT" (Matthew 11:28-30) That is a Scripture (slightly added to) that I say every day - and I encourage you to do the same. You WILL endure to the end - believe me - because you are concerned person. Remember the pressure is not on you - it is Christ in you that will get you through to the end - and give you so much more besides. Remember what I said about enjoying your relationship with Christ - just wake each day and thank the Lord for all that He has done for you. Ask Him to take away the burden of this teaching and ask Him to give you a deep assurance of your salvation. Ask and go on asking - for whatever you need each day - and you will be surprised at what He gives you. Whatever He wants you and I to do - He will give us the strength and ability to cope with it. We have a great God. Yes, we may be weak and feeble - but He is powerful and more than able to help, strengthen and get us through anything. Take your eyes off all this heavy doctrine - and turn your eyes to Jesus. Trust and rest in your Saviour. God bless you.
@1920s
@1920s 4 жыл бұрын
Sue Lewis Thank you for the sincere reply, and the encouraging words. I need encouragement. I really appreciate the time you took to reply to me. I’ve struggled with assurance these past few months, and have had lots of worries about falling away. I know I can’t earn my way. My best deeds are tinged with sin. No matter what doubts I have I never doubt that I’m a sinner, i deserve punishment, I cannot save myself, I need a savior, and Christ is my only hope.
@Ancient-Paths
@Ancient-Paths 4 жыл бұрын
@@1920s I am so glad I could be of help. Later I felt so guilty - having written posts that were against OSAS - which (because of your newness in the faith) caused you much grief. The great thing is - you can see your sin. Like myself - your background will always remind you of your sin. But now you have a Saviour who will gradually help you to remove it from your life. It will never go completely - but you will gradually see victory more and more. Then you will know it is the Lord that has enabled you to do this - and He will get the glory. The worst Christian is the one who's pride prevents him from seeing his sin. But our Saviour is greater than any sin you can commit. You will fall - but you will learn to trust the Saviour more as time goes on - and rise triumphant. Take your eyes off your sin and turn them to Jesus. Yes, He wants you to continue to the end (why wouldn't He?) but He knows all your weakness and will give you all the strength to do so. The beauty of the Christian faith - is that we do not walk alone - and we are not left powerless to overcome or without the strength to continue. All you have to do is Ask, Seek and Knock. Keep on calling on Him and relying on Him. We are all weak - but the one who overcomes is the one who sees his weakness and relies totally on the Lord for His help. Talk much with your God - tell Him everything - and I assure you - you will see victory. I don't know if I am allowed to do so - but here is my email address - in case you ever need to have a chat - maranatha475@gmail.com May God continue to bless and encourage you my friend
@miarymr8337
@miarymr8337 Жыл бұрын
Is there any hope in the Bible for the people who realize that they have fallen away?
@How.To.Get.Saved.
@How.To.Get.Saved. Жыл бұрын
I don't know of verses, but from what I've been taught, the Lord wouldn't give someone the desire to come back if He wouldn't accept them back. I think it's too late for someone who never feels the desire to return because the Lord would never give them that desire.
@miarymr8337
@miarymr8337 Жыл бұрын
@@How.To.Get.Saved. Thanks!🤍
@allin4once
@allin4once 4 жыл бұрын
I like Tim, and i really appreciate this teaching, but am wholly confused. I always thought Tim was a Calvinist, but this message detonates the 'P' in TULIP. I don't believe in Calvinism. I consider it a False doctrine. Tim appears to not believe in 'Perseverance of the Saints.' So i guess he is a 4-point, or less, Calvinist. Humm. Kind of confusing after listening to a lot of his other sermons. Not sure if he always felt this way, or if he is evolving out of Calvinism......
@Ancient-Paths
@Ancient-Paths 4 жыл бұрын
​@Odd Fish But surely 'Odd Fish' Tim is saying (or rather the Scriptures are) that the Christian who "endures to the end" will be saved. This implies that he has a choice in the matter. If he does not endure right up until the end - what will happen? Surely he will be lost? Why would these warnings be given if there was no chance of losing our salvation? If OSAS were true we would be told that we need not worry because we WILL (if saved) continue to the end. Note that the passages are all addressed to Christians. So if the Christian does not endure to the end - surely he will be lost. Tim says they will be LOST. Lost means eternally damned. This cannot apply to unsaved nominal Christians - who are already lost. Tim also correctly says that salvation is a process. We were saved , we are being saved, and one day IF we "endure to the end" we will see the fulfilment of our salvation. The doctrine of OSAS is dangerous because it gives a false sense of security to the Christian. I am not a Calvinist - but I really enjoy and am challenged by Tim's excellent messages. This message has surprised me - because I have never heard a Calvinist so clearly negate the Calvinist doctrine of OSAS.
@Ancient-Paths
@Ancient-Paths 4 жыл бұрын
@Odd Fish I most certainly agree with you regarding the assurance we have in Christ. If we are walking in the light we can "know we have eternal life" (1 John 5:14). This brings great peace to the true Christian. Most Christians would say that is an end of the matter. We "have" our salvation (past tense). However, when you consider all the many, many Scriptures that show that this salvation can be forfeited - should we commit habitual sin - we can see the dilemma that arises. Yes, there is a difference between "assurance" and "eternal life" - and the Christian should not be concerned that he has forfeited his salvation every time he commits a sin. However, a failure to to see the seriousness (sinfulness) of sin can lead to complacency in the Christian who believes in the OSAS doctrine - which I personally believe can lead to a "falling away" - simply because Scripture warns us of such things.
@Ancient-Paths
@Ancient-Paths 4 жыл бұрын
@Odd Fish Thank for that clarification. I had not realised that Calvinist preachers could hold to two seemingly (to me) diametrically opposing views. The Calvinist pastor I have spoken with simply believed in what appeared to be the OSAS doctrine. He would not consider the other passages. He was convinced that the only people forfeiting their salvation were those who had never been saved in the first place!! He believed the difficult passages were simply put there to keep the Christian on his toes.
@Ancient-Paths
@Ancient-Paths 4 жыл бұрын
@Odd Fish I originally went to a Pentecostal church that believed in Calvinism. I tried to grasp the OSAS doctrine - but could not really accept it. However, I ran a Ladies House Group and was fearful of teaching them incorrect doctrine - so I combined two doctrines. I explained like Tim that the Christian must "continue to the end in the true faith" in order to be saved, but I also majored on Christian assurance. I now realise this to be correct. The one passage I had a problem with was that which you quoted. I could imagine taking myself out of the hand of God by my own free will - but how could I unseal myself? The answer is, of course, that a seal on anything can be broken. You correctly quoted the Scripture as the Christian being "sealed FOR the day of redemption" and not "sealed UNTO the day of redemption" The seal is a mark of ownership - to show that we belong to the Lord - but it does not mean we are sealed and saved unconditionally until the final Day no matter what we do. In the OT God made covenants and promises to Israel that were described as "eternal" and "everlasting" - but they have now come to an end. Did God remain faithful to His covenant regarding Israel's redemption. Yes, He kept His side of the covenant. However, Israel broke covenant with God many times - and in the end they forfeited the Kingdom of God (Matthew 21:43). It is exactly the same under the New Covenant - God's promises are still conditional today. If we continue to keep God's commandments we will receive His gift of eternal life. Grace does not alter this. The OT saints received salvation in exactly the same way as we do today - by grace through faith and obedience. That is where I think all the problems arise in the Church today.
@anthonya8478
@anthonya8478 4 жыл бұрын
Of course the one who endures to the end will be saved. If they don't endure, they were never of us. Simple.
@jacquesvincent3897
@jacquesvincent3897 4 жыл бұрын
enduring till the end is for the jews in the time of jacob'trouble (matthew 10:17 in the synagogue)they will have to endure until jesus comes back) that'snot for the church.you are mixed up.
@Joyet5256
@Joyet5256 2 жыл бұрын
I want to reference to you a book by the title of 'The Believer's Conditional Security' by Daniel D Corner. It is 801 pages, that refute unconditional eternal security. The book is still available on Amazon and used books at thrift shops.
@YeIsBornAgain
@YeIsBornAgain Жыл бұрын
That book is horrible, poorly written, with many logical fallacies, it twists Scripture to mean false ideas of the author. Absolute dangerous trash. It should be called eternal insecurity.
@zzzzz77771
@zzzzz77771 2 жыл бұрын
So Tim is not a believer in once saved always saved then? He is a believer that you can lose your salvation. Sounds a bit wrong to me. I've read the Bible many times and never got the impression salvation is something you can lose, if it were then we would all lose it
@wingnutmcspazatron3957
@wingnutmcspazatron3957 8 ай бұрын
That's because you don't notice those verses until it's later in your journey when you fall away, lose closeness with the Spirit and come into contact with them somehow. Noone who feels good about their situation ever pays attention to those warnings. Once your spirit comes to face them with fearful sincerity, you'll notice them in almost every book of the Bible. They're literally everywhere, but completely unnoticed when you're not worried about anything.
@Ancient-Paths
@Ancient-Paths 4 жыл бұрын
Having now watched Tim's video called "How Christians Save Christians" I am even more confused regarding his viewpoint on the condition of the Christian who falls away from the faith. That video states that the Christian will NOT be damned to hell if he falls away from the faith (true Calvinist doctrine). He states those who fall away - were never saved in the first place. This appears to contradict what he is saying in this video, and also contradicts Scripture. Who were all these Scriptures addressing? Christians, of course. Read each one carefully. How can a non-Christian "fall away" - he has nothing to fall away from!! Also he cannot even BEGIN the true faith - so he certainly cannot CONTINUE in it or reach the end. Therefore, who are the people being warned in the NT not to fall away from the true faith? If it is NOT the unsaved or nominal Christian who is being addressed - then it must be true Christians. It is the Christian who was IN the True Vine - before being broken off and thrown into the fire. It was the Christian who was IN the true faith - before falling or departing from it. It is the Christian who is warned not to “stray from the truth” into doctrinal error; warned not to “fall away,” “depart from the truth,” “shrink back,” and fall away from his first love. If he does so, he will be “cut off,” “severed from Christ,” “cast away,” and “burned in the fire” of hell. Paul speaking of Israel and the Church said “Branches [Israel] were broken off” so that we [Christians] might be grafted in. He warned the Church, “Do not be conceited, but fear, for if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will He spare you… Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell severity, but to you, God’s kindness, IF you continue in His kindness, otherwise you also will be cut off.” (Romans 11:19-23) To be "cut off" or burned up refers to damnation. It is easy to see why this is not a popular doctrine today. As an example Jesus warns the CHRISTIAN in John 15 that if he fails to bear fruit he will be pruned (disciplined), and then if he fails to continue abiding in the True Vine (Jesus) he will be broken off, cast into the fire, and burned. Jesus is definitely speaking to true Christians here because He calls them branches (those engrafted into the True Vine). However, He states that “any branch IN ME” who fails to abide in the Vine, will be burned and thrown into the fire of hell. Tim is incorrect when he states [1] that a Christian cannot fall so far as to lose his salvation, and [2] all the people being addressed in such Scriptures were never saved in the first place. Satan’s modus operandi never changes - please do not believe his lie from the Garden of Eden - “You shall not surely die.” At 9:53 Tim warns us: “One moment in hell and you realise you don’t want to drift away from this. And this is life and death and few there be that find it. You had better take this seriously, for there are people falling out of this race all the time.” Clearly an unsaved person is not IN the Christian RACE - so how can he fall out of it? When you examine Scripture carefully you will clearly see that the "difficult" passages regarding falling away from the faith or enduring to the end - are all directed towards Christians.
@ShaneBakerAUVIC
@ShaneBakerAUVIC 4 жыл бұрын
Sue Lewis Hi Sue, I hear your reply , but if I could encourage you to look into the covenants then that will give some better context. The book of Ephesians chapter 1 , Romans 5 and John 17. It was Jesus mission to save His people who are gathered from both the Jews and gentiles. People are either in Adam or in Christ. The church is His Bride , those called who by the underserved favour of God known as Grace. Salvation is a work of God. The illustration of Nicodemus illustrates this also. In the same way we are born, not by our choice so it is with regeneration. The evidence of this work Jesus does is evident in our faith. Even faith is a gift of God. I hope this helps as the covenants are key to the out working of history.
@Ancient-Paths
@Ancient-Paths 4 жыл бұрын
@@ShaneBakerAUVIC Thank you Shane - but this does not really refute the evidence against "Once Saved Always Saved." Old Covenant salvation was obtained in the same way as New Covenant salvation - by grace through faith (in Christ even in the OT). God was faithful to His covenants with Israel - but they continually broke covenant with Him. God has always required obedience to His commandments - and it is the same today. "Faith without works is dead." There is no such thing as an unconditional Covenant. Israel were called "God's chosen people" - yet very few entered into salvation. Although God called them "chosen" this did not mean that they would automatically gain entrance to heaven - this would only happen if they continued to keep His commandments. It is exactly the same under the New Covenant. With respect I must say that your reply seemed like textbook Calvinism to me - as you did not address any Scripture I gave. It is important that we do not just agree with a set of doctrines that we have been taught - but rather search and analyse Scripture carefully by the power of the Holy Spirit - to discern God's truth. What is your opinion of John 15:1-10? Is it not obvious that Jesus is speaking about those who are saved? [1] They are all branches in the True Vine. (v.1) [2] Jesus calls each one a "branch in Me." (v.2) [3] God prunes and cleanses all branches (by His Word) so they produce more fruit. (v.3) [4] However, "any branch in Me" who fails to produce fruit or stops producing fruit - God cuts off. (v.2) [5] A branch cannot produce fruit if it does not continue to abide (live) in Christ. [6] Any branch that fails to continue to abide in Christ (and in His Word - v.7) is broken off and withers. It is gathered up (on Judgement Day) and thrown into the fire of hell. (v.6) The branch that was IN CHRIST is now IN HELL. [7] When we as branches abide in Christ and are obedient to His commandments (v.10) we show ourselves to be true disciples not just converts, and the Father is glorified. (v.8) Do you truly believe these words were spoken about nominal Christians who were never saved in the first place? This is the only answer I ever hear from Calvinists. I challenge you to read those 10 verses over several times and then tell me you honestly believe they are speaking of people who have never been saved. .... and the same with Romans 11:19-23?
@ShaneBakerAUVIC
@ShaneBakerAUVIC 4 жыл бұрын
Sue Lewis Hi Sue, your questions are important and deserve a fair reply. I would like to prepare an answer for you and others listening in. I shall come back to here in a few days.
@Ancient-Paths
@Ancient-Paths 4 жыл бұрын
@@ShaneBakerAUVIC Thank you so much Shane - I would appreciate that. I have always found Calvinists to be very godly people - and (as with Tim) I am truly blessed with their teaching. When it comes to the T.U.L.I.P however I just cannot see any biblical basis for it. I thought I must be the one who was wrong. I have prayed and tried hard to understand Calvinist beliefs - but find so many that ignore Scripture and are based on rather ethereal view of the sovereignty of God. So many Calvinists actually contradict themselves (or appear to do so to me) - and that is why many are confused with Tim's teaching on this issue. How can so many passages that clearly state that the Christian can fall from grace be wrong? Jesus' teaching in John 15 is just one illustration. The only answer I have ever been given - is that all these Scriptures are speaking about those who were really not saved in the first place. That is clearly incorrect. I am sorry but I just do not get the answers that arise when the Calvinist tries to explain the apparent dichotomy. Thank you for being prepared to give me an answer. Take your time - as I am sure many will appreciate your explanation.
@ShaneBakerAUVIC
@ShaneBakerAUVIC 4 жыл бұрын
John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. Still preparing an answer for you. I think there is promise here that Jesus has promised will remain.
@wedin1051919
@wedin1051919 Жыл бұрын
False teachers must go. You make what Jesus did null and void. Once saved always saved IS the Gospel. We are sealed. We are saved. We're not BEING saved, we ARE saved. You,on the other hand, I have my doubts.
@wingnutmcspazatron3957
@wingnutmcspazatron3957 8 ай бұрын
You don't notice the warnings because you're fully confident. Once you lose that confidence, you will notice them, and then you will experience what it truly means to "fear the One who can destroy both body and soul in hell". You don't "lose" salvation. What he's saying is you can REJECT it.
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