Kei Nishikori v Pablo Carreño Busta

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Kei Nishikori v Pablo Carreño Busta | Australian Open 2021

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The curious case of the controversial line call in the match between Kei Nishikori and Pablo Carreño Busta at the Australian Open 2021.
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@danguee1 Жыл бұрын

The reality is Busta would have lost the point - 100% sure - anyway. If they'd replayed that point, Nishikori would have been cheated. So, even if the linesman did call before the contact - and believe me, even on 0.25x speed it's absolutely simultaneous - the right result happened on that particular point. Busta just behaved like a baby wanting something that he didn't deserve....

@djepp Жыл бұрын

I agree, the line call was simultaneous with the shot and Carreño Busta was nowhere near the ball. He was just nervous and frustrated because of Nishikori's comeback. What happened was fair, just sucks to lose from 2 sets up so it was understandable that he was mad, of course he shouldn't have screamed or thrown his bag but yeah.

@markuse3472 Жыл бұрын

@@djepp You people are as brainless as a snail-for-brains. His challenge was successful (line umpire called out but hawkeye shows its in and, he swung his racket to hit it as the call was made). The line umpire's out call should've been overturned as a replay. The ball was called out, it was in: replay regardless if Pablo couldn't have reached it. SHOUTING OUT IS distracting, regardless if he couldn't get to it (had he been able to get to it, returned it, had he still lost that point he would not have been able to challenge it because he played it). The umpire was wrong.

@djepp Жыл бұрын

@@markuse3472 either way he was never making it to that ball so seems fair to me that it wasn't replayed. But rules are rules so that sucks that the rules weren't followed

@xavii00 Жыл бұрын

Of course Busta was going to loose that point, but rules say that when a linesman calls the ball out, the point inmediately finishes. So if the call was simultaneous to the shot, why did the umpire give the point to Nishikori? It would’ve been the unfairiest decision ever? Probably, but it was the right thing to do if he wanted to follow the rules.

@2CSST2 Жыл бұрын

@@xavii00 No, you have a wrong understanding of how this rule works. In tennis, some rules are up to a certain interpretation and judgement, this is one of them. It's like for instance the speed limit on highways, obviously the police don't enforce the rule strictly, the limit serves more as a guide line for reasonable conduct. Other rules, like having an immatriculation plate or the fact that a net service is replayed, ARE 100% strict, but again not all are, and the one in question in the video definitely isn't. If you watched tennis for a while and payed attention, you'll remark that this rule has never been a strict one like you're implying, you'll see plenty of examples where the umpire's interpretation and judgement come into play in scenario exactly like this one. So you have no grounds to be pedantic about it, or for Pablo to act like a baby about it.

@Vipa567 Жыл бұрын

I remember watching this live at night, seeing Busta throw his bag was absolutely hilarious.

@markuse3472 Жыл бұрын

At that moment I am sure it wasn't hilarious: you say that Now because you are dimwitted.

@samster978 Жыл бұрын

me too he lost his shit lol

@hannahjones9095 Жыл бұрын

Ok. Thanks AO for this great recap of the match and for giving us context to the blow up. But. 1. This isn’t 2021. 2. We all know why we are here rewatching this; give us multi cam replays of the PCB tantrum pls 😂

@JesusChrist-qi8yo Жыл бұрын

For those saying the rule is the rule, the rule also states that if the call comes the same time as the shot, it is a judgment call. When you play the video at 0.25x speed, you can see that the call came less than 0.25s before Kei hit his BH, and when Kei was already in the swinging motion. The human brain is unable to process the call so fast so the conventional rule doesn't apply here and it becomes a judgment call. The judgment call by the umpire is that the call didn't have any effect on Kei's swing. And I have to agree with the umpire here. If you don't believe me, it takes around 0.17s for audio stimulus to be acknowledged by the brain, takes around another 0.10s for the brain to send a stimulus to the muscle. And since we're hearing the out call from the mic next to the line umpire, the call will still take time to reach Kei, in this case, 0.035s (count the dimensions on the tennis court and make an estimation to around 12m). That alone is already 0.305s which is more than the time between the call and the contact. Hence, not an argument that the umpire was correct.

@ThanhNguyen-le7zq Жыл бұрын

damn, Jesus spitting scientific facts

@eddiarmenia96 Жыл бұрын

damn Jesussss

@2CSST2 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this comment, evidently a lot of people missed that point.

@along1298 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting analysis, but here's the main problem with what the umpire did: He let Busta challenge the call with the interpretation that if it turned out to be in, it would a reply. Otherwise, what's the point of letting Busta challenge if regardless of whether the ball was in or out he was gonna lose the point regardless + lose a crucial challenge if the ball was out? This makes 0 sense and would give Busta no benefits to challenge whatsoever. Therefore, since he made the mistake of allowing Busta to challenge, he should have honored this as a replay. Otherwise, I agree that no challenge should have been allowed and point needed to go to Kei

@JesusChrist-qi8yo Жыл бұрын

@@along1298 interesting take on this and I have to agree with you. The umpire should've informed Busta that making a challenge wouldn't make any difference but he did not. If I was Busta I'd be understandably pissed as well bc of this

@xavii00 Жыл бұрын

This was not about taking the right or the wrong decision, this was about following what actually rules say. So if the call came simultaneously to Nishikori’s hit, the point had to be repeated, no care if Nishikori was winning that point 100/100 of the times. And why did the umpire let Busta challenge the call if it wasn’t going to change his decision? Busta’s anger and frustration after loosing that way a match he was 2 sets up in a 4R of a GS are completely justified to me.

@tomr6955 Жыл бұрын

Me too, but I don't even think it matters when Kei hits it. The fact it was called out at all means the point stops there and then. Take it to the extreme - If Kei hit it from the baseline and it took a long time to get to Busta, it wouldn't matter when Kei hit it. Must be a replay, this is bad umpiring and I feel exactly the same way about Busta being screwed over.

@Sudentor_ Жыл бұрын

Busta wasnt even close on returning the shot, Nishikori will win the point no matter if the ball is in or out. Busta shouldve just stay focused to the match instead of throwing that precious tiebreaker away.

@Zarlock0 Жыл бұрын

No it’s a matter of principle, if he call comes and it is incorrect the point has to be replayed. It is unfortunate e for nishikori but u cannot just assume who would’ve won the point.

@huynhphuquoc6016 Жыл бұрын

Imagine you stand on the court for 5 hours and lose the whole match just because of 1 stupid call and 2 unintentional mistakes. Think about that, both players look tired, Kei went for safe play and Carreno showed more effort and precision. If you look at the drill fight, Busta always stayed on top of the ball, and Kei ran around to rescue himself from losing. Because of his 2 unintentional mistakes, that was why Carreno lost 2 points, one in return, and one in the drill, but he didn't give up. Everyone made mistakes with their contributed effort, but not that sleepy umpire.

@huynhphuquoc6016 Жыл бұрын

I would say both umpires were bad; both sat on one side of the court while the ball bounced vertically on the other side, which made them hard to observe because the player blocked the vision; if the side judge was sleepy, then at least the main umpire stayed awake enough to make corrections because main umpire had a different observation. I would rather let the ball kid make the call.

@djepp Жыл бұрын

I agree

@markuse3472 Жыл бұрын

You people are as brainless as a snail-for-brains. His challenge was successful (line umpire called out but hawkeye shows its in and, he swung his racket to hit it as the call was made). The line umpire's out call should've been overturned as a replay. The ball was called out, it was in: replay regardless if Pablo couldn't have reached it. SHOUTING OUT IS distracting, regardless if he couldn't get to it (had he been able to get to it, returned it, had he still lost that point he would not have been able to challenge it because he played it). The umpire was wrong.

@xaph77 Жыл бұрын

This is not Australian Open 2021. It was 2019

@nubclaps8302 Жыл бұрын

Man that is unfortunate from 2 sets up to losing

@user-zx8lt6jo5p Жыл бұрын

After scoring a match point, Nishikori looks down and lifts the corners of his mouth slightly. Too cool.

@tristan3272 Жыл бұрын

australian open 2019, not 2021. title and description are wrong

@alexphexona7511 Жыл бұрын

Regardless of whether Nishikori would’ve won the point the rule is if the call comes before the next player just the ball you replay so it sucks that PCB was fucked over like that. But at the same time him losing the match from 8-5 was his own fault for not staying focused.

@whyshop61 Жыл бұрын

Come on The call is after the shot 😂😂😂😂😂😂 You are wrong😂

@TheRafaelBond Жыл бұрын

PCB had no physica chance to win the point haha, you are clueess.

@bsrussian Жыл бұрын

nah lets be real bro nishiokori deserves the point. technicalities like this are stupid

@Steevy84 Жыл бұрын

@@bsrussian I fully agree with you, but still if you were at his place, wouldn't you feel screwed, regarding the official rules? Also, in RG 2012 or 2013, when Djokovic touches the net vs Nadal just before the 2nd bounce, he lost the game point, then his serve, then got broken again, and finally lost the match. Nadal did not reach the ball, and Djokovic already played the ball when It happened, so he got screwed on such technicality even harder, at a more advanced stage of the tournament.

@bsrussian Жыл бұрын

@@Steevy84 yeah you're right that rg 2013 semi incident is infamous. but the thing is if the umpire decided to do a replay, then nishiokori wouldve felt screwed since he deserved the point, pcb has nothing to "feel screwed oveer" because pcb is not djokovic in this situation, but he is actually nadal. so hes reacting the way that nadal wouldve reacted if djokovic got the point, its just that a net touch is different than a late call. in any case djokovic was screwed over because he got called on the rules and pcb FELT like he was screwed over because of the rules but in reality the correct call by the umpire was made

@Sebastian-wz1wh Жыл бұрын

This is why we have to get rid of line judges

@reymui2023 Жыл бұрын

That's why the challenge system is stupid. Hawkeye should decide every ball so it leaves no room for doubt

@tsn-0 Жыл бұрын

This is from 2019 not 2021, in 2021 Nishikori lost to Busta in straight sets in the first round so I guess Busta got his revenge

@moonlightfitz Жыл бұрын

That was the moment.

@dankim9261 Жыл бұрын

agree w/ umpire, the call was quite late and by then Nishikori had started his shot and committed to going down the line with PCB running toward the other side.

@markuse3472 Жыл бұрын

You're a dimwit. The rule disagrees with you.

@dankim9261 Жыл бұрын

no, ur the dimwit who didn't read or understand what I wrote and probably never even played tennis before. if ur right at the net and have committed to the shot with the opponent going the wrong way, that's clearly a winner.

@janveraart307 Жыл бұрын

Yeah but that’s not how the rules work :)

@JesusChrist-qi8yo Жыл бұрын

@@janveraart307 The rule is if the call came before the shot. In this case, there's no clear gap between when Nishi hit the shot and when the call came. To me, if you play it at 0.25x speed, the call came at the same time Nishi hit the ball. So umpire's judgment call was correct here as the rule doesn't apply

@slowbot68 Жыл бұрын

my thoughts exactly. call comes at same time as shot, so it's a judgement call for the umpire, who made the right call

@user-zx8lt6jo5p Жыл бұрын

That call was Nishikori's point with or without it. So this is definitely Nishikori's point. In the first place, the referee was wrong to accept Carreno Busta's challenge. Even if I challenged him, if it was Nishikori's point, I shouldn't have challenged him from the beginning.

@genes6043 Жыл бұрын

This is such an ignorant and ridiculous comment - try to educate yourself on why this is a dumb comment.

@tomr6955 Жыл бұрын

I remember commenting on the original match video saying this is the reason we should NOT have a 5th set tiebreaker lol.

@rajalamuri553 Жыл бұрын

and nishikori retired in the next match .

@felixr6482 Жыл бұрын

ain't no way this was 2021 ao

@s41magazine37 Жыл бұрын

You've just called Carreno Busta a journey man 🤷. That's a boxing term for someone who always loses and is there just for the up and coming boxers to practice on🙈. Not cool AO!!!

@kakashihatake1029 Жыл бұрын

I swear this was 2019

@rohanvijaybaskar591 Жыл бұрын

A video posted in 2023, set in 2019, titled 2021. Huh

@alex99398 Жыл бұрын

The ump effed up huge...clearly should have been replayed. I don't miss not having line judges - think it's cheaper to have Hawkeye and fewer errors and more consistency a good thing.

@audox4885 Жыл бұрын

You mean "i don't miss having line judges"

@henryq335 Жыл бұрын

thank god we have hawkeye for every point now

@ciao_abhi Жыл бұрын

the call came after the shot. PCB has no argument here

@genes6043 Жыл бұрын

Yet another stupid comment..

@gravinboginagis6568 Жыл бұрын

I honestly don’t think it was a bad decision, Ik there a lot riding on it any technically it should have been pcbs point, but he didn’t deserve to win the point. If the decision had gone the other way, it would’ve been nishikori (who did deserve to win the point) being done an injustice

@tomr6955 Жыл бұрын

Why is everyone so focused on when the call was made and if it put Kei off? Highly irrelevant.

@kawszyn 7 ай бұрын

Busta was robbed. I am not a fan of him in general but we must admit he was robbed. He played for 5h, his nerves were more than on the edge and suddenly someone makes a RIDICULOUS mistake. He behaved terribly at the end but nobody should blame him for that. What would we all do if we were him. Wouldn't we just give a f*ch and forger, or would we be FURIOUS?! Poor Busta

@markoshun Жыл бұрын

Interesting, so many here saying ‘rule is clear’, but no one producing the rule. I don’t think there is a clear rule for shot and call at same time. I believe it’s a judgement call from umpire. Call didn’t effect play because Kai was already through the shot and PCB had no chance, so umpire ruled in Kai’s favor. Seems totally right to me. What exactly is this other rule you all think is so applicable here?

@tomr6955 Жыл бұрын

Rule is very clear. If a shot is called out, it must be stopped at the moment it's called out... It literally does not matter what happens after the out call is made. Very simple.

@markoshun Жыл бұрын

@@tomr6955 Yes, your explanation is very simple and I understand what you saying. Thanks. But the umpires routinely make judgement calls re: whether there was a hindrance, or if a player had a play on a ball or not. This seems like a normal situation like that. The call came close enough to the shot that even with rewind there is still debate, the challenge came after shot, and Busta was headed to the opposite side of the court. This all puts the umpire into area of making judgement. I am looking for the actual rule you think applies because I don't think there is one.

@cedric889 Жыл бұрын

The call came after Nishikori played ball. 18:23 The commentator & Pablo were wrong to believe the call was before Nishikori played the ball.

@genes6043 Жыл бұрын

The call didn't come AFTER he played the ball. Watched it several times.. Maybe a fraction before or at the same time... If it's basically at the same time, then the point should have been replayed

@tomr6955 Жыл бұрын

Doesn't matter when the call was made, it was clearly made before the ball got to Busta's side..

@drbookie2169 Жыл бұрын

This happened in 2019 WTF why does it have 2021? Nishikori's been out way longer than 2021

@janveraart307 Жыл бұрын

There’s no discussion possible, as harsh as it would’ve been to Nishi. Point should’ve been replayed it’s as simple as that. Rules are rules 🥺

@whyshop61 Жыл бұрын

No the out call was after the shot

@grokker99 Жыл бұрын

Yea, and rules r enforced by umpires that are human and make judgment calls without the aid of replay. In this case, the correct player won the point. There was no chance in hell CB deserved to win hat point. Its like hittin a short lob that lands in but just cuz a dingbat linesman calls it out a 1000th of a second before the smash, u dont get the obvious point?

@milandjukic4583 Жыл бұрын

@@whyshop61 ball didnt hit the ground so its before the call. This should have been replay of point

@slowbot68 Жыл бұрын

except that's not the rules

@marcelosoares429 Жыл бұрын

Thats 2019

@user-fe7xc3ix2c Жыл бұрын

No this match is AO 2019

@rgncajun21 Жыл бұрын

Kinda insulting to call Carreno busta a journey man tho lol

@bbqvieri Жыл бұрын

PCB is King of losing match from 2sets up in AO

@yannicksommerer128 Жыл бұрын

For those who think Nishikori should have won the point: Why did the umpire allow to challenge the point by PCB if he gives it anyway to Nishi? Clearly wrong decision in my opinion

@KarabauPlay Жыл бұрын

Ya the umpire was wrong but nishikori can challenge instead and he will win the point anyway

@DEBadmintonCoach Жыл бұрын

17:15, the moment you've all been waiting for. I simply don't get it, because Busta wasn't even close to getting the next shot. Just some spanish drama

@markuse3472 Жыл бұрын

@Nao-ll7su Жыл бұрын

@@headandshoulders4450 the call was made at the same time nishikori hit his BH bruh

@JesusChrist-qi8yo Жыл бұрын

@@headandshoulders4450 not possible. It is less than 0.25 seconds between the call and the BH. The human brain requires around 0.6s total for the audio stimulus to be translated into emotional and physical stimulus. Even at the highest levels, 0.4s is considered godlike. Nishikori was already committed to the shot and the out call didn't have enough time to affect his swing

@JesusChrist-qi8yo Жыл бұрын

@@headandshoulders4450 I've just given you evidence of how long it takes for him to be distracted and it takes longer for the stimulus to be processed than the time between his shot and the call. You talking about Busta shows you're clearly delusional. Busta was already committed to running one way and showed no sign of changing directions at all. The call wouldn't have affected his movement genius

@JesusChrist-qi8yo Жыл бұрын

@@headandshoulders4450 and like I said, the call came too close to the hit that the brain cannot possibly process any stimuli. For the call to be "distracting", it needs at least 0.3s which it didn't have. I'm sorry but its hard not to be rude to someone who's delusional😂

@Fernball21 Жыл бұрын

Commentators are idiotic about that call. No way did PCB deserve a replay

@SINAY99 4 ай бұрын

DER punkt Gehört einfach WIEDERHOLT!!! Da gehts um Match !! Er hätte den Ball NIE einholen Können aber trotzdem ist es eingriff ins Spiel!! Ungerecht!!

@angelokimi Жыл бұрын

Carreno Busta shouldve won d point or at least got d point replayed bcoz his challenge is successful (line umpire called out but hawkeye shows its in). The line umpire's out call shouldve been overturned! I still dont underatand why d umpire even awarded d point to Kei..

@markuse3472 Жыл бұрын

Many people with authority don't like being proved wrong so they stick with their call regardless that is was wrong.

@justiceisanillusion5602 Жыл бұрын

The point should NEVER have been awarded to Busta, wtf you talking about? Nishikori was the deserved winner of the point, and the only one who would have been fucked over if it wasnt awarded to him. Busta lost the point, and tried to hope for a replay because of the error or an umpire. That's just bad sportsmanship. I highly doubt Nishikori would have said anything if he had been in Bustas place.

@angelokimi Жыл бұрын

@@justiceisanillusion5602 watch your f*&^!* mouth!

@whyshop61 Жыл бұрын

You are wrong. The out call was after the winner shot. You can slow down the point and listen. The umpire gave the point to Kei before the hawkeye result. But the empire can’t reject the challenge from busta no matter in or out

@markuse3472 Жыл бұрын

@@whyshop61 We have all slowed it down, you dummy, which is why we are saying the OUT call was made at the moment of ball-contact or right before it: the "O"-for-the-Out call was made Before ball contact. After all said and done, the play needed to be replayed according to the rules (and more Logic on this on my previous comment).

@sascha0420 Жыл бұрын

出た笑これブスタも錦織もTOP10経験者でブスタも圭も色々成果だしてる同士だから語り継がれてるまであるよね

@hero0149 Жыл бұрын

comeback!NISHIKORI

@eliasemilio4458 Жыл бұрын

The rules are clear. The point has to be replayed even tho it is unlucky for Nishikori. Therefore the anger is very much justified.

@Calicokit101 Жыл бұрын

I agree with the umpire....Busta had no play on the ball!

@markuse3472 Жыл бұрын

@marc-andregauthier5139 Жыл бұрын

Nishikori showed poor sportsmanship. After the "out" call Nishikori might have been negatively or positively affected by it. (As in he already knew he'd won the point so hit more freely). Also the umpire FKN SUCKS why would you accept a challenge if it's not gonna change the outcome?!?!