Chattanooga Cane Mill Restoration: Turning Journals and Pouring Babbitt Bearings

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Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org

Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org

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Chattanooga Cane Mill Restoration: Turning Journals and Pouring Babbitt Bearings
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@markedis5902
@markedis5902 Жыл бұрын
I worked with a gentleman about 40 years ago who wrote a tongue in cheek book called ‘The rules of design (things I learned the hard way that you don’t have to)’ that he photocopied and shared with the apprentices. He was well past retirement age then. One that I remember is: “Making the top and bottom the same diameter means that the end user will fit it upside down”
@peterhobson3262
@peterhobson3262 Жыл бұрын
You can make things foolproof but you can't make them damnfoolproof.
@ellieprice363
@ellieprice363 Жыл бұрын
Good one. I’d love to have that book to see how many of those mistakes I’ve made and learned from.
@kennethstaszak9990
@kennethstaszak9990 Жыл бұрын
As Keith demonstrated - taking short cuts makes everything take longer.
@aserta
@aserta Жыл бұрын
Yup. One of the golden rules of design. Kinda like that story about bears in Yellowstone. The intelligence of bears and the stupidest of humans overlaps in the point where some humans can't use the trash cans some bears aren't supposed to be able to open... Hence why you see trash around the trash can, and tissues stuffed in the locking mechanism, which has... written instructions with pictographic details.
@bryanlatimer-davies1222
@bryanlatimer-davies1222 Жыл бұрын
Another line for the book, you have many tools for removing metal, very few to put it back.
@melshea2519
@melshea2519 Жыл бұрын
Good morning from Massachusetts 😊
@russtuff
@russtuff Жыл бұрын
I've been watching you do this for years, and I still enjoy it every time.
@marlobreding7402
@marlobreding7402 Жыл бұрын
Good morning from the Pacific Northwest
@mattomon1045
@mattomon1045 Жыл бұрын
thanks Mr Rucker for teaching us.
@kimber1958
@kimber1958 Жыл бұрын
Nice job Keith
@elsdp-4560
@elsdp-4560 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing.👍
@bloodknottrevelian3396
@bloodknottrevelian3396 Жыл бұрын
My metalwork teacher at school insisted that when you were filing you had your thumb on top of the file, not your index finger. To encourage his pupils to follow his instructions he would be walking about the workshop observing what we were doing. He always wore an apron with a big “D” pocket at the front in which his two hands would be thrust. What you didn’t know, at least to begin with, was that also in the pocket he had a ¼” silver steel rod about 6” long. If he came across a boy with his finger on top of the file the silver steel rod was straight across the knuckle of the erring boy. Of course, unthinkable today but this was 60 years ago. 🤣
@Michel-Uphoff
@Michel-Uphoff Жыл бұрын
Another great episode Keith! I really enjoy your videos, it always puts a smile on my face when there is a new one. And so I wondered why I enjoy looking at your work so much. I think it's a combination of factors. Of course there is your craftsmanship, your love for the profession, the interesting restoration work, your tranquility and, as I now discover, your commentary style. Somehow you manage to find an excellent balance between commentary-free video and explanation. With quite a few KZfaq videos I hear myself asking: Please explain a little more what you are doing and especially why! And with others I grumble: Would you please shut up, I'm getting so tired of that constant unnecessary monotonous chatter, almost falling asleep. None of these little annoyances with you, you do it perfectly for me. And so I'm as always looking forward to your next video! Thank you! 🤗
@curtkuhns
@curtkuhns Жыл бұрын
I'm always fascinated! Thank you for taking the time to teach. -Curt Kuhns
@lexpee
@lexpee Жыл бұрын
I've seen this so many times in your KZfaq videos.
@johnbaker7621
@johnbaker7621 Жыл бұрын
Another production from the South Ga. Cane Mill Repair
@brightmodelengineering8399
@brightmodelengineering8399 Жыл бұрын
Many tears ago I worked for a company that refurbished milk churns. My job was checking they had no splits in the joints. Any cracks and they were scrapped, good ones were stacked separately and then placed on big burners to heat them and melt all the old tin off as well as the band with the handles, then whilst still hot placed on rollers to remove any dents. Whilst still warm they went into an acid bath, then a flux bath and the dipped in a big vat of molten tin. The scrap ones had the tin melted off and this was made into sticks of solder. The good churns had the handles put back on and the tin solder melted all round the edges to seal them. Again no lead was used as it was a food container. To identify scrap ones I'd hit the cracked area and split the churn open. The only time I had a problem was when we had a request for some scrap churns to be chromed for bar stools. It was a reflex tthat when I saw a crack I'd split the churn, so for the chrome ones I carried a lump of wood to remove the lids but it stopped me splitting the churns..
@scrotiemcboogerballs1981
@scrotiemcboogerballs1981 Жыл бұрын
Great job thanks for sharing
@DAKOTANSHELBY
@DAKOTANSHELBY Жыл бұрын
Another viewer once called this "The Cane Mill Channel". I agree ; )
@Hoaxer51
@Hoaxer51 Жыл бұрын
I’ve read where people call it the Horizontal Boring Mill channel and the DiResta Band Saw channel. Lol I enjoy all of them!
@timf6916
@timf6916 Жыл бұрын
Nice, good information
@UKDrew
@UKDrew Жыл бұрын
Awesome as Always...Hope we dont have to wait too long for the next episode...
@richardsurber8226
@richardsurber8226 Жыл бұрын
I love simple machines. Thanks for the video
@formerparatrooper
@formerparatrooper Жыл бұрын
Back in the late 40s, or possibly the very early 50s, I remember the roundhouse machinists pouring Babbitt bearings for the valve gear on Soo Line steam locomotives. I cannot remember much of this except that I seem to remember the inner surfaces being very shiny. Am I wrong in this memory or did they machine the parts after they poured the bearing material? I was trained as a tool maker in the early 60s and finished my apprenticeship with a shop doing injection molds, fixtures, dies and jigs. I also worked for the Great Northern RR just as they merged into the BN in 1970, but that job, being the low man on the seniority list I ended up mostly changing tires on the machines in the bone yard. I do appreciate your use of the older machines which is all I experienced, the new stuff today I would have to have an assistant set them up.
@glennmoreland6457
@glennmoreland6457 Жыл бұрын
Great video
@petegraham1458
@petegraham1458 Жыл бұрын
Nice work as always!
@mrfarmall-vk4gw
@mrfarmall-vk4gw Жыл бұрын
You make babbitt work look so easy! Nice job👍👍
@dan2304k
@dan2304k Жыл бұрын
Anyone else try taking a drink every time Keith says"babbitt"? 🥴
@billyjewett5006
@billyjewett5006 Жыл бұрын
Love the Babbitt bearing pour videos!
@thom3124
@thom3124 Жыл бұрын
Very nice.
@Rorschach1024
@Rorschach1024 Жыл бұрын
There used to be a cadmium babbitt for very highly loaded bearings too.
@phlodel
@phlodel Жыл бұрын
Cadmium is toxic. Wouldn't want to use it in this application. Some refrigerator shelves are (used to be?) cadmium plated. People would use them for grills to cook over an open fire and poison themselves. A lot of Boy Scouts got sick that way.
@waynep343
@waynep343 Жыл бұрын
When doing the half shells. Why not a big glob of the packing material and push the half shell, washers and shafts into as a unit. Then you could just lift it out and set the next one in. Additional rings with brass tipped set screws to hold the washers tight to the sides of the half shell.
@aserta
@aserta Жыл бұрын
I've used wet thin card stock before the compound and it works great. The card stock is merely spritzed with a water bottle, not dunked in water. Enough to stay the babbitt from passing it, not enough to cause a violent reaction. I use the card stock you get with clothes some times. I have a bunch of those from the missus.
@matthewc4590
@matthewc4590 11 ай бұрын
I don't think I'll ever use this, but thanks to your video I would at least attempt it with a little confidence, if needs be.
@frenchcreekvalley
@frenchcreekvalley Жыл бұрын
I have found that sometimes the smoked shaft loses its coating when I preheat.
@thisolesignguy2733
@thisolesignguy2733 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking "hmmm why didn't you thread the ends of the mandril and use nuts to tighten the washers?" Then I saw you use it for the caps and had an "ah hah!" moment.
@jerryderstine5859
@jerryderstine5859 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your videos, I have learned and been entertained by them. Congratulations on your substantial weight loss. As a heavy man myself I’m aware what’s involved to lose 20 + lbs. just a guess from personal experience.
@donteeple6124
@donteeple6124 Жыл бұрын
Keith, Wondering why you dont fixture up those tight poured babbits, heat back up your mandrel w your torch, use some tongs and place it back in the fixtured babbit and let the heated mandrel melt back into the babbit a bit to ensure a closer fit.....and better tolerances.....am thinking that method may work pretty well and save alot of headache .....just sayin.... Don
@danielelse3914
@danielelse3914 Жыл бұрын
For anyone who hasn't watched Keith's earlier video on the cane mill, he uses a very interesting tool to get that uniform buildup.
@W4BIN
@W4BIN Жыл бұрын
My pop use to pour babit main bearings in car engine blocks for random auto repair shops, he was a steam engine repair person. (early '20s) Ron W4BIN
@larryblount3358
@larryblount3358 Жыл бұрын
What material is the drum made of? Do the drums ever wear out from all the cane passing thru? Weld build up and grooving the drums would take a long time on a manual lathe. 😢
@richwallace4632
@richwallace4632 Жыл бұрын
Have you considered metal spray on these parts? We do a lot of aircraft parts this way. Then machine them down to original dimensions.
@Jim-ie6uf
@Jim-ie6uf Жыл бұрын
So. Fla., here.
@The_HillPeople
@The_HillPeople Жыл бұрын
Little soot bits floating about, I thought there was a bug in front of my monitor.
@MrMrbowhunter001
@MrMrbowhunter001 Жыл бұрын
you should give us links to the weld pac and poured in place bearing materals
@vogs72
@vogs72 Жыл бұрын
Why not clean up the crushing surfaces whilst you have them mounted in the lathe (even though I know they’ll corrode more in the future)?
@quickstart-M51
@quickstart-M51 Жыл бұрын
Keith, you just need a thin piece of the damming material. No thicker than your pinky finger. This will make the dam Babbitt proof very easily. Then you won’t even need the rings.
@scottwilcoxson2439
@scottwilcoxson2439 11 ай бұрын
Using less would make it easier to see that you have it where you need it. I've never poured Babbitt, but that makes sense to me.
@IanSchillebeeckx
@IanSchillebeeckx Жыл бұрын
@keith, you use such precision for turning the shafts, etc, however it seems the positioning of the mandril in the bearing blocks is done very casually. How does one ensure the bearing blocks and everything is installed square in the final installation?
@ruben_balea
@ruben_balea Жыл бұрын
The blocks "float" against a set screw on the mill top and bottom covers so they'll self align.
@michaelandrecht7508
@michaelandrecht7508 Жыл бұрын
Could you put them in a 4 jaw chuck and bore them ??
@markbernier8434
@markbernier8434 Жыл бұрын
Is there is reason you did not use a small F clamp to hold the rings snug to the part?
@jimbarchuk
@jimbarchuk 11 ай бұрын
Because there won't be a tight enough seal. However a thin layer of compound on the ring would seal it.
@ThePottingShedWorkshop
@ThePottingShedWorkshop Жыл бұрын
The correct name for someone who shoes horses is a farrier, at least it is on this side of the pond!
@rftghost
@rftghost Жыл бұрын
Hmm, how abou a disk of metal in the bottom of the cups? What's supporting the weight of the shaft/roller?
@tomswindler64
@tomswindler64 Жыл бұрын
👍👍👍😎😎😎
@jeffwillis2592
@jeffwillis2592 Жыл бұрын
Do you ever use Babbit metal with lead in place of tin?
@charlesmiles9115
@charlesmiles9115 Жыл бұрын
😛😛😛😛😛❤❤❤❤🦾🦴🦾🦴👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@RicochetRichard
@RicochetRichard Жыл бұрын
Can you say where in Chatt. this cane mill is going?
@juslitor
@juslitor Жыл бұрын
Would tin based babbit be safe to use in more cold climates ? Im thinking about tin pest.
@paulcopeland9035
@paulcopeland9035 Жыл бұрын
He is using a tin alloy babbit material. It is usually about 85% tin and 15% divided between copper and antimony. Tin pest would not affect this alloy until extreme low temperature (maybe -30 or -40 C). I feel it is safe to say that there will not be cane grinding at those temps!!
@pepcatch11
@pepcatch11 Жыл бұрын
Keith, you are looking great! How much weight have you lost?
@expatconn7242
@expatconn7242 Жыл бұрын
Nice work !
@ZacVaper
@ZacVaper Жыл бұрын
How bout an update on Leo's capstan?
@paulcopeland9035
@paulcopeland9035 Жыл бұрын
Ask Windy Hill Foundry. That is where it was last seen.
@robertstingley1867
@robertstingley1867 Жыл бұрын
abomb always uses hss to turn down weld, i see you use inserts
@paulcopeland9035
@paulcopeland9035 Жыл бұрын
Did the inserts not work? What did I miss??
@robertstingley1867
@robertstingley1867 Жыл бұрын
@@paulcopeland9035 seemed to work just dandy. was just sayin.
@charliebryson1285
@charliebryson1285 Жыл бұрын
Why not fix one end of your mandral, wont have a problem with leaking
@Dwarfracer88
@Dwarfracer88 Жыл бұрын
Chamfer, wasn't he the guy that sold his albums on tv in the '70's and '80's? "Chamfer and his magical pan flute".
@ellieprice363
@ellieprice363 Жыл бұрын
Different chamfer, different place, different time…😉😉
@DB-thats-me
@DB-thats-me Жыл бұрын
Ummm… why 1” 15/16. Why not 2”?
@ellieprice363
@ellieprice363 Жыл бұрын
2 inches probably wouldn’t leave enough space for the Babbitt bearings.
@currentbatches6205
@currentbatches6205 Жыл бұрын
3:25 - Would that be on radius or on diameter? There is a difference. 11:24 - The angularity to the bearing shell looks like anything other than 'quick and easy'. 28:38 - When you're worried about tenths, well...
@fireantsarestrange
@fireantsarestrange Жыл бұрын
C and H pure cane sugar that's the one... What? nobody remembers that?... Probably because you been eating white sugar beets most of your life.
@grntitan1
@grntitan1 Жыл бұрын
From Hawaii (from Hawaii) Sweetened by the sun….
@premierd8988
@premierd8988 Жыл бұрын
Keith can you tell us what IS a big deal??
@ruben_balea
@ruben_balea Жыл бұрын
Pouring the babbitt inside your boots while you have them on?
@bouffant-girl
@bouffant-girl 11 ай бұрын
The rings are definitely a good idea. I guess the adage about Do it right the first time to save time ⏲️ is true 👍 😉 18:32
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