same here. I see people putting air helper springs and stuff on but its no the same.

This is EXACTLY why I'm looking at air ride for my F250. Lease roads are the worst. I really don't want to lift mine I just want the best ride I can get. How is the ride with air vs a normal lift kit vs stock?

@@Tyorktexan the ride of the Kelderman is way better than both stock and the normal lifts. Offroad there is a noticeable difference and on the road the same. My wife even noticed a difference between the stock ride and the Kelderman so that tells you something. It is great for long trips and hauling since the truck doesn’t beat you like normal. I didn’t want too much of a lift but needed it to run the larger tires. The only downside of the lift is not being able to haul with my gooseneck trailer.

im not sure as I've never rode in a 450 with a regular lift @@Tyorktexan

might look into those next go around. thanks

I recommend a couple trips without the system so when you get it installed, you will appreciate it more. Haha. Just kidding.

Can’t be too heavy duty on a system like this. Especially when it’s a work truck. Good luck with your new truck

If you have any questions, feel free to ask or call kelderman. They’re very helpful. I’m not paid by them or anything.

Truck is going into the shop in a week or so to fix the air leak and track bar. The Heim joint has been tightened. Thanks for seeing that. It’s a gamble. Our 2022 rides better than my 2017 does empty. It did help with bucking. Our gooseneck trailer has air ride as well and no bucking. Good luck and glad the video was helpful.

Noisy I’m sure but I like how mine look and perform

It’s like floating on air. It handles different and rides different in a good way. It’s hard to explain.

Thank you

@@truckingforboatparts5838 thats a dream truck for sure. too bad that there are no f450s in finland. closest is in norway and on sale for 130k for a 3year old used one.

@@realkilju well some people are asking that much for used ones here because you have to order new ones and it takes several months to get them in.

@@truckingforboatparts5838 damn so they just really are very expensive

I don’t know who quoted you that but we’ve been paying 12-13k for ours here in San Antonio. Front, rear and the computer readout. Blackjack speed shop. I feel the ride is worth it.

Is they $CAD or USD? That’s a crazy price if it’s USD

Thank you

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With most slide in campers the truck will squat, this system has an auto leveling computer so it will stay at stock ride height even with a full load in the bed. Also, With the computer display, you can control all four corners independently. For example, when I hookup my boat, I back up to it, drop the rear bags and the truck will squat say 6 inches or so, I will back under the trailer and reinflate the bags. No hard cranking of the jack at all. So if you pull into a campsite and you’re leaning left or right, facing downhill or up hill, you can deflate or inflate to some extent to level it out.

@@truckingforboatparts5838 Thanks for the reply. Great info.

@@carlredmond3642 no problem. If you call kelderman direct and tell them what you’re doing, they are very helpful and nice. Sometimes have to leave a message and they’ll call you back. Good luck.

Unloaded the 22 isn’t as harsh as my 17. My hotshot driver (my 60yr old mom) could tolerate the 22. Loaded is where it really shines. No squat. Rides well. They moved the spare tire on both but I have been told others don’t mount the system that way so I’m not sure how yours does it. I like the simplicity of the mechanical leveler but it’s nice to see how much pressure is in your tanks and on each bag. I’m not sure if you can add the 3H later if you don’t like the mechanical. I would think you could. Air dryer is a must.

I have not driven a lifted 450 and I’m sure ride quality of a standard lift depends on manufacturer. Kelderman does make lifts, although I don’t have experience with those, I would imagine the ride is similar to the setup I purchase.

The tires are 265/75/19.5 hankook DH07. We just bought a 2022 model and the ride empty is better than the 2017 was. I’m sure you would notice a difference but I’m not sure it would be worth the $13,000 ish price. We are adding the system to the 2022 model in the next couple of weeks, so I can report back once it is done.

@@truckingforboatparts5838 Do those tires fit ok on stock rims and stock ride height? Any rubbing or clearance issues with the rear tires? I just ordered a 2022 450 and want to fill the wheel wells without lifting it.

@@joshuakremer8959 no issues at all with rubbing.

Good questions. Yes we used the truck shortly before adding the air ride. It wasn’t very comfortable loaded or for longer trips. The truck would buck and beat you to death. The truck definitely rides better. We have a new 2022 f450 and will be adding the system to that truck as well.

​@truckingforboatparts5838 how do you like the system on the 22?

No sorry but if I see one i will let you know. They’re pretty hard to come by at the moment.

@@truckingforboatparts5838 Seriously, pain in the ass to find anything. I've searched every source in central texas for what I'm looking for. I've expanded my search like ~500 miles from Austin to try to get something I want.

I'm an OTR semi driver and so long as these air systems on trucks have a good air dryer, there isn't much to worry about. On our newer freightliners with the company I don't have to worry about draining the tanks unless the air dryer goes bad. I've only ever had issues with the dryer system or the compressor itself, which either on is pretty rare. Whyoming is a pretty dry state as well, not a tremendous amount of humidity in the air. Last time I had an compressor issue was picking up a load of lumber during a heavy rain system in Tacoma, WA. I then left outta there and headed west toward Ohio. When I got into Whyoming around Laramie, temperatures were around -25 at the time and my compressor had gotten excess moisture in it, which caused it to freeze and malfunction. Stopped in at a shop, and all they had to do was defrost it and evacuate the moisture. After that I was good to go. That was about 3 years ago now, haven't had an issue since, and been in 3 different trucks since then. As a precaution if your going from an extremely moist environment like the Northwest or Southeast, you can purge the system, empty the tanks to see if there is any moisture. Then proceed across the colder high elevation areas. Be it Kelderman, Hendrickson, SAF Holland, Meritor, these air systems for trucks are pretty bullet proof these days and only pose problems if they get damaged or aren't inspected periodically for issues. Doesn't matter what system you go with, everything wears out eventually and in different ways, and will need serviced from time to time. As for a pickup vs a semi, with the pickup you'll still have hydraulic brakes. Typically a air system freeze up isn't so much an issue for air suspension as it is for air brakes. Having ice build up in the air system with air brakes can pose far worse issues than with the suspension. Other than that it just comes down to common sense, routine inspections, and annual maintenance as needed.

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Yes. Mine is noticeably smoother after installing the kit. It’s not Cadillac smooth, still feels like a truck but it’s bearable now

thats what we used it for. It had small issues here and there as with any air ride system but it was worth it to save your guts from being beat to death

Hankook. DH07. 265/75/19.5

its like riding in a half ton truck when empty. very smooth and rides even better loaded compared to a truck without it.

Thank you. They’re 265/75/19.5 hankook DH07

I got mine done at blackjack speed shop in San Antonio. You can go on Kelderman’s website and there is a dealer map on there.

You’re welcome. The smaller Heim joints, yes but kelderman should have an updated version soon or in the very near future . The rest of the problems I would say are because we have really used the truck. Probably won’t have most of these issues with most trucks.

He has a leak in the rear lines, that's why it jumped like that when he started it

i forgot the size but they were noisy and like most 450s, i had to run the pressure like 80psi. they lasted awhile though.

You might wear bushings and airbags faster than a grocery getter but my truck hasn’t exactly been driven only in Sunday’s by grandma to church and I think it’s doing ok. Almost 200k on it and replacing rear air bags as one is leaking.

@@truckingforboatparts5838 I was worried about the frame bending where the air bags sit. I bent the first gooseneck hitch I had in the truck when I ran over a 10ft alligator with 7klbs on the pin. It was 1" by 8" flatbar welded to the frame. I bent the reciever hitch on 250 in a wreck, but the suspension stayed put. The stock setup is very stout.

Look into superspring sway stops if you're still having this issue. They have been fantastic on my f450 for reducing that body roll on trails by engaging the overload springs all of the time

they did send me new ones and have updated versions last i checked.

80psi all around. Just a heads up, They don’t ride as well as factory. I was thinking of trying Toyo next.

@@truckingforboatparts5838 Thanks

No spacers needed.

Has hydraulic brakes. I will try to get some video of it pulling loads. Check out the rest of my videos to see what I do. The exhaust brake is ok, better than nothing

I have 265s. I’m not sure if 285s will fit on the rear without spacers or on the front without rubbing.

Dose it sway like a Ford or did it get any better?

Thanks. with the auto leveling system and on board compressors the truck won’t squat with a load on. I pull my 22k lb boat with a lot of tongue weight and it sits level.

@@truckingforboatparts5838 thanks for info. How much was your full set up?

@@gianniharrington5106 we just had our 2022 done, it was about $12,000 installed.

No. Sorry. If I change my mind I will let you know.

You can adjust it manually or reset the preset ride height on the display

Yes. Still likes to fallow the ruts in the road.

No, mine felt like i was driving on ice the whole time and had no traction going down the road

@@MrLawnscapingplus I know it takes awhile for the tread to “flatten out when installing new heavy duty tires. I also lowered the pressure to like 80psi. Maybe even lower, I don’t remember now. That helped some.

Appreciate the responses

Great. I rode with a buddy in his one ton ram and couldn't wait to get out.

A few inches

Noisy and hold rocks in the tread that scare you to death when they come out at highway speed and slam into the fenders. So far they have been good in the rain and are wearing ok. Time will tell though

@@truckingforboatparts5838 how are they now? Love the look!

No

You’ll have to look on their website as they have stock height and many lift kits

Hard to describe how it rides but it definitely rides better than stock. Handling is the same as stock

Correct

Tires? They are hankook

people don't look into this system for saving money, they look into this system for comfort. If you have ever driven one of these trucks loaded with a gooseneck trailer on it for any length of time you would appreciate it more than spring ride. Semis got away from spring ride long ago.

@@truckingforboatparts5838 semis have air suspension in seat, because air bags in the rear suspension don't do much. It helps but enough.

wrong. driving both leaf and air trucks back to back day after day the air is softer period. @@repairvehicle

@@jacobstrutner8232 , it still rides like truck even with air, your point is dumb.

smooth. like riding on air, the trailer we have for it is air ride also with a drop axle. makes 700 mile days less stressful

To my knowledge, it doesn’t affect the gvwr.

the motor is a 6.7 liter power stroke diesel. This truck used to be our hotshot truck hauling skid steers, machine attachments or whatever else was too small for our big trucks to spend time on. Now it is my personal daily driver as we have a 2022 F450 now for work.

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