Take that 22 rifle to a Project Appleseed Rifle Marksmanship Clinic. FL has a great program and top notch instructors. Very affordable and fun for the whole family. www.appleseedinfo.org

I felt the same way with mine. I bought Traction Grips and they made a world of difference. They are not expensive and were easy to install. Highly recommended. Cheers!

Mine three are solid running Mini-Mag. So far, I haven't had much luck with Punch...in my P17's or the Ruger LCP II. www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/keltec

I think and hope my newer videos have shown improvement. Free booklet and my videos are organized by topic at... www.ambgun.com

Be sure to report back on how your P17's function. A video coming out this afternoon, shooting the P17 from a mountain bike. Fired 200 rounds of Mini-Mag through my green P17. Zero malfs. I do run Sentry Solutions Tuf-Glide on all of my firearms. It may be superstition, but I think it helps with my reliability. amzn.to/S2rWMW6G

How did the extension work? Where what and how have they held up?

Talk fasterrrrrr..... Sorry.

Also interested

how did it turn out

The P17 has a very high Applegate Grip Ratio (I made it up). Check out why I think this is beneficial... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kL6HdJun2r-0XWQ.html

in the mean time put a training laser in that G42 and try some of Applegate's ideas... kzfaq.info/sun/PLVlCoEE1rzM7EAKRL73l0wmMT2ivTATuc

I bought mine in February at. Gun store and I'm glad I did

@@samuelmorado70 Just wish I had bought a case of them last year.

If you find one, get two. You'll eventually want one for yourself, too...plus family magazine compatibility.

Or check out the Taurus TX22. Watch the KZfaq videos, it has the same reputation as the P17. I have two of them now and they are easier to find.

Then you'll appreciate... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r9WUnJpevavIeYU.html

Me too! The whole time he was talking, I was checking out his 1X, and trying too sneak a peak at the make of the frame.

Be sure to report back after you get some trigger time. www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/keltec

We have many videos on the P17... www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/keltec

I'd sure like to get a third one at that price. Doesn't that G19 seem fat after handling the P17? For 9mm, I really like the Mossberg MC2c. I'd probably like the G48, too. www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/mossberg

@@AmbGun . Yeah love the 19. But it's a little on the chunky side. Lol. The P17 runs pretty good. Tried a box of the Federal semi auto ammo. Didn't seem to like it very much. Alot of extraction issues.

I’ve handled this in the store and would like to pick up 2-3 at the same time as well when I find them. As a Glock guy and regarding the 48 specifically, I love the pistol but for the exact reasons you mentioned the benefit of the trigger guard mag release on this in your videos, the 48’s HUGE mag release is a real problem for the reduction in frame size. I’ve gone back to my 26 for trusted carry until I figured out the best way to dremel that down to the right usable shape. Have begun but it still manages to pop out the mag during carry. Have to find the right balance between usable and hard to push - not there yet.

A couple things that might explain the reliability of both of my P17's. That reliability is with CCI Mini-Mag, Stingers and Velicitors ammo. Less reliable with bulk, box ammo and not so good with Browning BRP. I also dry lube all of my firearms with Sentry Solutions Tuf-Glide. The dry lube not only doesn't attract dirt it seems to shed or reduce carbon buildup. 22LR is pretty dirty so I think this is a big benefit. But until I can buy two pistols, dry lube one, wet lube the other, and then do extended data collection, that is just my hypothesis. Good luck and please report back here your results, good or bad. Sentry Solutions Tuf Glide amzn.to/S2rWMW6G

@@AmbGun Right on thanks man

The gun is just a little over $200. If you have to worry about spending $200 then you shouldn't be spending it at all. Get the gun you will love it, if not then sell it.

You are right to be careful. Cheap semi-auto 22LR pistols from ANY manufacturer are always hit or miss. These guns are made to be plinkers and trainers, not as serious self defense weapons. That's why QC is always spotty on them. If you want to rely on a 22LR pistol for self defense, you have to get a revolver or a heavier high quality semi-auto like a Browning Buckmark, Ruger 22/45, etc. Otherwise, just get a lightweight centerfire pistol that you know will always function when you need it. I say this coming from a LOT of experience with semi-auto 22LR pistols AND shooting them with CCI Mini Mags, Velocitors, Stingers, etc.

I still get misfires with my 22/45, walther, etc. rimfire just isnt as reliable as centerfire.

Both of mine are 100% on CCI MiniMag, Velicitors, and Stingers.Over the past couple if weeks CCI has had various types available to order online. I haven't tried the Winchester . Is it a bit hotter like the Mini-Mag?

@@AmbGun Thank you, sir for replying. It is 1280 FPS. Ammo availability seems to be opening up a little bit in Michigan. I think with patience I will eventually find CCI.

Congrats on the find. Definitely scarce.

Glad you enjoyed it. Terrific pistol...check out our 17 episode playlist for the KelTec P17...including mounting a Red Dot Sight. kzfaq.info/sun/PLVlCoEE1rzM5sOT82t51JnDu0F9ZCkv1h

A study of a Medieval sword fighting book, indexing the blade, introduced me to the idea.

I considered myself beyond capable when shtf. After watched your videos, i learned alot more, other youtuber are just super boring , either not for the average man.

Check out my "How the KelTec P17 Wins..." video. It covers my "Applegate Grip Ratio" hypothesis based on my MantisX dry fire testing of several pistols two handed vs one handed. The P17 dominates my MantisX scores. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j719otOr3ZnMl3k.html

I prefer to dedicate weight and bulk to trauma kit. Mountain Man Medical review forthcoming. I take some comfort in focusing more on the med kit by the surprising effectiveness of 22LR. I knew poachers in my youth that humanely took deer out to 100 yds with a 22, witnessed many large animals dispatched with a 22 pistol, and there is a world record griz on display in a SW Wyoming rest area that was killed by a 22. For cats and a pack of wolves, I like the extra ammo I can have on hand. I do have some videos coming on a 10mm, though. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j719otOr3ZnMl3k.html

@@AmbGun Amb, I am an experienced outdoorsman and the relying on a 22LR for dangerous animal protection will get you killed or maimed for life. The whole point of carrying is to prevent being injured in the first place. Yes, med kits are very important. But they should only be needed as a last resort, not to use in place of stopping power. Poaching a deer has nothing to do with stopping an angry 500 lb bear or a determined mountain lion.

@@JohnB-dr8sk Here in WY, most outdoorsmen are injured or killed from falls. Hence the crucial importance of an IFAK. And for me, mountain biking, I've had quite a few hard crashes...one where a tree branch stabbed me in the abdomen...luckily just the edge. I've seen Grizzly from a distance, but no encounters. Watched a mountain lion pursue a deer. And seen a wolf. For a wolf pack, I think I'd prefer a 22LR with 100 rounds rather than a 10mm with 11 rounds. Maybe not ideal for bear, but plenty of trappers have humanely dispatched bear with a 22...and then there is that woman who killed a world record griz with a 22...of course maybe there are some who were eaten trying to defend with a 22. As scary as a griz is, way more WY tourists are killed by moose than griz. I do like shooting Springfield's XDM Compact 10...satisfying whoomf. www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/springfield

I’m with you on carrying something with more punch. Don’t be like my friend Bill. He had his 10mm with critical duty +p ammo. Hollow points are fine where penetration isn’t necessary like on a human. An animal with 6-10” of fat before you hit muscle and then bone before finding internal organs. Bill unloaded 12 rounds with maybe 7 actually hitting the bear. Bill survived but needed several surgeries to reattach his face and scalp. The 10mm would have been fine if he was using FMJ. He also needed more shooting time and training. Almost half his shots missed. I can say for a fact, a 22lr directly into the nose of a brown bear will send that bear away. If your lucky and that shot travels up the nasal passage it could kill the bear as it entered the skull and skipped around in there. Moral of the story, use proper ammunition and be accurate with that weapon. And yes, there’s hotter 22lr ammunition you can buy that are supper sonic and can do more damage.

@@JohnB-dr8skYou are talking straight out your ass. A 22 lr works fine .. especially on cougars. Cougars are extremely easy to kill and black bears aren’t too hard either. I’ve killed dozens of bears .. hundreds of deer and more than 15 cougars. Stopped charging bears in Ak 3 times. 22 is fine for lower 48 , although I would like something a bit bigger if I knew I was gonna be fighting bears. I am completely confident with a 22 lr with 16 rnds

The P17 is my EDC 80% of the time. My wife also adopted the P17. I'm not sure of that bag, I just recently replaced it with a tool roll from Chrome Industries. How the P17 Wins... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j719otOr3ZnMl3k.html

Thanks for the alert. I scored my max allocation of Velocitors. I gather the $215 P17's on GunBroker sold out. It's either auctions or buy it now pricing well beyond MSRP.

@@AmbGun Yup next cheapest buy it now price is $309 dollars unfortunately. (And theres only three left at that price before it goes to the more common $350.) CCi still has Velocitors, Quiet 22, and Maxi-Mags (22 magnum) though so if any of you guys want some, now is the time to get it. I am amazed how fast the P17 sells even at inflated prices. It really sucks how many scalpers are out there. If they would quit, ammo prices would only be slightly higher than normal by now.

Yes... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j9qpmKRkstLafqs.html

Yes, slingshot for sure . Our other three that have been 109% slingshot, one is in need of a new slide stop to hold the slide back when an empty mag is dropped. www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/keltec

we live in a country full of open spaces, wildlife and 10s of millions of foreign invaders. who knows what can happen in the wild?

The 22LR vs center-fire thing went in a very surprising direction.... www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/9mmvs22lr

Much more on the P17... www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/keltec

You're definitely not outgunned. www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/9mmvs22lr

Yes. My favorite alternative to the P17 is the Walther P22Q...kind of like the SR22, but with a paddle mag release.

My buddy swears by his SR22, but I'll take my P17 16 round mag anytime over his 10 round mag.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hJilrJZeysmyd3U.html

22LR is routinely dismissed as "better than a rock". The kinds of people who accidentally kill themselves with reckless gun handling.

as someone who took a rock to the head and barely lived to tell the tale, "better than a rock" absolutely scares me.@@AmbGun

Yeah, but with the standard AmbGun caveats that I kinda suck as a holster maker. Just add a note in the order that it's for the Hill People Gear kit bag and I'll add a velcro strip. www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/holsters

@@AmbGun Great, thanks for the quick response! Your 22LR analysis has been extremely helpful and I've proudly shared it with several friends over the years.

I use the basic CCI Mini-Mag, 40 gr, round nose, but also the Velocitors, the "Stangers", and the Stingers. In my imagining, the later two, with their nickle plated case, seem likely to be extra reliable. Although its difficult to prove since the others have been 100% (excepting that one malf during initial break-in on my green one). I sometimes run Federal bulk when I'm at the range and if I want to do lots of malfunction handling, I'll use Browning BRP....I've pretty much relegated the BRP to my Tikka T1x...it likes it just fine.

I use and recommend Velocitors for self-defense. Stingers are slightly longer which could cause a failure. I dont know how they perform in P17.

Are you running 40 grain, high velocity ammo like CCI Mini-Mag?

@@AmbGun i believe i’m running aguila 38 grain. I’ll try something new today and let you know how she does.

CCI Mini-Mag 40gr. Good results with other high velocity 22LR, too, like Aquila. I have one P17 that likes Federal Punch, but others that do not. Mini-Mag almost no cyclic malfunctions. Rare, ammo related, failures to fire.

I hadn't. Fixed barrel and that flat, internal slide sure looks familiar. i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/Jager/P1080899.jpg

@@AmbGun the CNRsenal vid is good

I stole it from my 3 year old grandson.

...and ambidextral.

Cool, have you tried it yet. Be sure to feed it HV ammo like CCI Mini-Mag. www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/keltec

I do sometimes carry the Keltec PF9 which weights 12.8 ounces empty. Very light for a 9mm. For a true bear cartridge, I'd be inclined to go 10mm...or, as I do when hiking in Griz country, a 45-70 Guide Gun. But for mountain biking, I prefer to carry extra trauma gear. But as I back off a bit on my motocross inspired riding intensity, I may back off on the IFAK and favor more firepower. Check out my "How the 22 Wins" video. And search KZfaq for videos of hunters dispatching bear with a 22. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/obhjh6t7vJvXnYU.html

I believe several of the online gun sellers have it available. And I often see it available at Rural King. www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/keltec

Trappers do it routinely. A few videos can be found of 22LR one shot drops of trapped bears. Shooters accuracy is probably greatly improved by an immobilized bear.

@@AmbGun Maybe but I would prefer a 12 guages and a slug

Same here, centerfires are seeing less and less action. www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/keltec

Where did you find one?

@@AmbGun Gunbroker paid twice as much for it including tax, shipping, and transfer fee.

Easiest. I can do a chamber check with my pinky.

External manual safety is pretty much it. I wonder if anyone has drop tested it with the safety off...I wonder just how robust and reliable the trigger sear is all by itself. Given the light trigger, I use the safety....I sure wouldn't try to holster it without the safety on.

Striker fired pistols typically have the striker block that is disengaged with the trigger press which results in a rather creepy trigger pull compared to hammer fired. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oLSpl9mn0pfdgaM.html

40 ft pounds is the lethal boundary. Barrel length does help, but it looks like the right cartridge is much more important. CCI Velicitors and Stingers topping the list... www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/2011graphs+/22ME.html

22lr velocity vs barrel length. www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/22.html

Yes. Here is how... www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-rifle/how-to-become-ambidextrous

Yes. See How to Become an Ambidextral Gunfighter...

i LIKE keltec i have a cp33 and love it, and i certainly want one of these p17s, so this isnt a dog against them.. but im not putting ANY plastic gun that close to my face. i know the internals are steel, but common. premature detonation is a thing. its happened.

Had not thought of that. Thanks! @@TheBirdboy84

Well now you are probably more likely to find ammo than a P17.

@@AmbGun I have a CP33 and I find ammo online. Ammoseek dot com. Sometimes as low as 10 cents a round if you're lucky.

@@AmbGun no. Guns,shops in my area the shelves are barren and,devoid of ammo

@@jeffpaul8260 But they more devoid of P17's. Watch Federal and CCI online. I hear that every so often it's available. I haven't tested the Federal Defense Punch cartridge, but I bet it would work well in the P17...I feed my pistols CCI Mini-Mag.

@@AmbGun will,search around for it. Been,wanting,to,try the punch,ammo

It's more than just the avoidance of annoyance... How the KelTec P17 Wins... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j719otOr3ZnMl3k.html

As a veterinarian's son way back in the day I witness the dispatching of large animals pretty often with 22LR.

Forged Tec. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jLSjdZyYqMy5YGQ.html

@@AmbGun Already ordered

@@AmbGun Ever have any issues with really bad fowling the last half of the barrel?

@@RustySprocket I run Sentry Solutions Tuf-Glide dry lube which I think helps make it kind of self cleaning. 22lr is a dirty cartridge though. At about 2,000 rounds I disassembled the bolt head and found the firing pin channel severely fouled, cleaned and coated with Tuf-Glide and a latter inspection found it in good shape. Haven't noticed anything particular with the barrel. Sentry Solutions Tuf Glide amzn.to/3wh1NEO

@@AmbGun shot about 200rds today. 50 suppressed. Barrel was so fouled, it was keyholing and throwing rounds everywhere. No amount of scrubbing would get it out. It's sitting in the vise with an ear plug in the muzzle, full of Butch's bore shine. Two hours of hoppes foam soak did nothing.

GWrap is a risky technique. Gunfighting is kind of a risky activity. As far as I know, the Gwrap Dojo guys have not accidentally shot themselves (I think they use airsoft on the mat). I have experimented with the technique many times with dry fire and training laser. Doing live fire Gwrap with the P17 is easy enough. Centerfire you definitely need to cinch down on the slide...I've done life fire GWrap quite a bit with the Mossberg MC2c....longer slide/barrel means there is plenty of room for the GWrap grip. I've only done it using gloves to prevent getting bit by the slide/barrel lock up. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ec9yatyI2NfWn58.html

Grizzly country, for sure. Even on "civilized" trails, dogs are a hazard. My sister-in-law was hospitalized after a pit bull attack. In Wyoming, where everyone is armed and everyone knows it, dogs and wild animals are the primary threat.

www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/keltec

My experience with 22 rimfire reliability (using CCI Mini-Mag) finds quality 22LR as reliable, if not more, than centerfire. Before 2020, my Project Appleseed Ruger 10/22 rifle digested 10-20,000 rounds per year doing AQTs (sometimes in my own hands, often in the hands of students) with no ammo related malfunctions. A couple years ago, we experienced lots of 5.56 blown primers with Hornady Frontier...often causing the AR's to malfunction when the primer cup debris prevents bolt head lockup. At the very least, I think top quality 22LR is more reliable than bulk purchased centerfire. Perhaps premium centerfire cartridges like Hornady Critical Defense would eeek out an advantage.

I shoot all kinds of .22 ammo, in my P17, but haven’t had any misfires. But I recommend good ammo, like the Remington golden bullet, Winchester or Federal.

@@peteshaw7090 You are a very inexperienced shooter if you think any rimfire ammo is reliable, especially Remington Golden Bullets! Wow. You are going to have to find out the hard way I guess

​Cci ammo has proven to me to be at least as reliable as any centerfire cartridge. To suggest another shooter" will find out the hardway " reeks of arrogance. Is it possible that you're the less experienced shooter? I've had excellent service using CCI Ammo. I can assure you I'm far from inexperienced shooting a variety of weapons. Ive found the caliber and gun you can hit the target with more often than not is the best caliber to use. To each their own. My comment is based on my personal experience. In no way am I suggesting what is best for you.

Rifle and if forced to choose body armor and being ambi, I'd choose ambi.

I definitely wish I had gone with 22 mag for my Henry Rimfire review.

Meaning some of the most innovative firearms engineering on the planet. KelTec started the 380 pocket pistol craze back with the P3AT that was blatantly copied by Ruger for the LCP. The PF9, with it's exceptional rounds per size & weight, was well in advance of the modern micro 9's. There is no backpack carbine quite like the SU16c. I adore the high end Desert Tech MDR, but I found the RDB not only a more affordable fighting bullpup, but a superior one for The Ambidextral Gunfighter. The P50 looks awesome, although I'm more interested in seeing a carbine version of it to compete with FN's PS90. I do wish someone like Sig or BCM would buy out KelTec so that we'd see more polished implementions of their engineering genius.

I haven't tested the P3AT, but I do have some LCP's in the safe...maybe I'll have to do a video on them at some point.

A couple of videos on the PF9...still a part of one of my yard work Wyoming Trader's Vests, but nowadays taking a back seat to the modern micro 9's. kzfaq.info/sun/PLVlCoEE1rzM7aJXJif9gO206EUxyWhFxX

The RDB, my favorite carbine. kzfaq.info/sun/PLVlCoEE1rzM4-GWAgOBm_YO0IM5Q9D2b1

And the unique, compact, lightweight backpack carbine kzfaq.info/sun/PLVlCoEE1rzM7ItsHqRcZ0T5DQRYsXg9Y6

I'm a member, but since I rarely use FB anymore I'm not active in that or other groups. I've shared a few of my P17 vids there.

www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/9mmvs22lr