Kemi Badenoch calls Labour MP 'liar' in transgender children clash

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Kemi Badenoch calls Labour MP 'liar' in transgender children clash

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8 ай бұрын

Kemi Badenoch accused a Labour MP of being a “liar” in a heated clash over the language used to describe transgender children.
The equalities minister was warned about the use of “unparliamentary language” after she clashed with Kate Osborne, who she accused of lying.
During an appearance at the Women and Equalities Select Committee on Wednesday (13 December), the Cabinet minister became angry when Ms Osborne accused her of previously using “inflammatory language that likens children and young people coming out as trans to the spread of a disease”.
Ms Badenoch said: “That is a lie and I think you should withdraw that statement. That is a lie. You are lying.”
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@rakeshshah6772 8 ай бұрын

Why didn’t the chair ask the Lab MP to corroborate her statement instead of going on about the type of language used?

@TrackerNeil 8 ай бұрын

Probably because the chair just doesn't want to get into it, and I can't blame her. Kemi probably shouldn't have used the word "liar", but she was absolutely right to demand the MP cite her sources.

@hughwilliams5995 8 ай бұрын

Badenoch referred to it as an epidemic. Epidemic is a word used to describe a disease. While she could argue it was used as a metaphor- such as in 'epidemic of locusts', it is clearly language which is calculated to be derogatory and dog whistling. And it worked- look at all the far right barking going on in response to this video.

@joce11 8 ай бұрын

@@TrackerNeil The chair didn't want to get into because she couldn't back up her statement with facts and in view of this she frankly should never have said such things. It is unacceptable. To speak untruths is to speak lies so in my view Kemi was quite within her rights to call this chair a 'liar'.

@stickykitty 7 ай бұрын

Because they are all in on it And they don't want to look stupid When it comes to facts So they avoid it every chance they can wriggle out of their Bs narrative Snakes

@scoopbls 5 ай бұрын

She was within her rights and she was accurate that it was a false statement and a lie. But it's probably not wise as it's personal. Better to call it a false statement, if there are too many of them. Ask that the get sources for all statements and reconvene a later date.

@Uncle-Ruckus- 7 ай бұрын

"I'm not calling YOU a liar. You're calling ME a liar." Yeah...because you ARE one.

@comradeblyat25 7 ай бұрын

"I'm not here to answer your questions" Translation: ive been caught in my lie but i dont want to admit it

@Circa1692 6 ай бұрын

Yep, a narcissist will always respond like that "I don't want your opinion but I'm going to give you mine"

@ediblelipscrubs9466 8 ай бұрын

I love how she held her ground and demanded evidence to an accusation.

@Aarenby 8 ай бұрын

She did imply it was a disease

@joce11 8 ай бұрын

@@Aarenby No, she didn't. Epidemic for example, can mean widespread and does not in itself mean someone is talking about a disease which is why the context of what someone said matters. Its ridiculous having to point out the obvious but this seems to be the new normal these days.

@Aarenby 8 ай бұрын

@@joce11 the contect is the kemis RW friends do call it disease- and that's the ones who dont call it demonic..

@will1963 7 ай бұрын

Fact and prove please@@Aarenby

@Aarenby 7 ай бұрын

@@will1963 she did and look who pays her

@jamesfletcher1033 8 ай бұрын

Absolutely brilliant Kemi

@alexlashman4279 7 ай бұрын

Kemi for PM.

@ptertaintv 8 ай бұрын

Kemi = Legend.

@fimakinen2904 7 ай бұрын

Kemi = town in Finland

@ptertaintv 5 ай бұрын

@@fimakinen2904 You're a typical annoying 🙄 anonymous Internet troll.😁

@math2651 8 ай бұрын

Huge admirer of Kemi Badenoch. She's a beautiful, smart and fierce woman!

@vicom134 7 ай бұрын

… and she doesn’t have to courage to support her own words…

@theeperson3764 7 ай бұрын

…and she doesn’t have the courage to support kids who are born transgender…

@vicom134 3 ай бұрын

@BlueZone-us5zd in that video 🤷‍♀️

@vicom134 3 ай бұрын

@BlueZone-us5zd Mmm, I’m not convinced. We say obesity epidemic, diabetes epidemic, car theft epidemic… We never say Taylor Swift epidemic, higher quality of life epidemic… Epidemic as a profound negative connotation

@Xbot4Life 8 ай бұрын

Thats what i call a woman. Im impressed. I need to be more like this at work.

@craigwhite8963 7 ай бұрын

Atta Girl Kemi!! I love the pregnant pause when the MP realizes she is trapped by her own stupidity!

@johnnicol64 8 ай бұрын

Nailed . She used to destroy Diane Abbot , etc .😅😅😅 Not hard mind.

@gillianrobinson8116 8 ай бұрын

yeah Abbott destroys herself shes a total joke but good for Kemi to practise on !!!

@hughwilliams5995 8 ай бұрын

Excellent opportunity to do a bit of doubling down on the most abused MP by hiding behind the bile of another Black woman MP. Great camouflage....

@ferdinandaho486 7 ай бұрын

Absolute brilliance Kemi

@tonyrussi7777 6 ай бұрын

she IS a liar.

@Babylon6 Ай бұрын

Kemi is a common sense MP and one of the few i would be enthusiastic to vote for.

@BuffaloSoldier1965. 8 ай бұрын

Kemi is wonderful!

@Aarenby 8 ай бұрын

She would have me unalvie

@jonsmum5552 5 ай бұрын

I’m not here to answer your questions = I made it up.

@JBigjake 5 ай бұрын

“You can’t call her a liar.” “OK, then. Kate Osborne speak with forked tongue!”

@Chanelfairclough 7 ай бұрын

Where is the full video?

@mattj5391 6 ай бұрын

She's so good. Future PM!

@sarahjones7239 4 ай бұрын

I love Kemi she is the best MP in the Conservative Party, strong, fierce, intelligent, articulate, knowledgeable, passionate and can back everything up she ever says with evidence ….a smart cookie and force to be reckoned with. A credit to the Tory party shame more weren’t like her x

@bield7 Ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@BlackRose-vi2yg Ай бұрын

Kemi definitely won this one

@gillianrobinson8116 8 ай бұрын

Thank you Kemmi keep up the good work 👍🙏🏽🥰

@Tom_murray89 19 күн бұрын

That is disgusting

@davidwhittingham8617 5 ай бұрын

Well done Kemi

@jorgesanchez2118 7 күн бұрын

Badenoch said 'you are lying' which is not the same as calling someone a liar. The Independent here making the same mistake as the labour MP, i.e. twisting the language for their own benefit.

@davidlancaster4476 8 ай бұрын

why doesn't kim badenoch challenge kate osborne to repeat those accusations outside of the house of commons without parliamentary priviledge, kate hoey tried that trick on terry venables, but wouldn't repeat it outside, because she was a liar. challenge her, do it.

@kathybramley5609 8 ай бұрын

I suspect Badenoch did say something along those lines, though perhaps if we had the relevant quotes/tweets/hansard/speeches to hand she'd argue or remember it was expressing concerns of social contagion, a dubious theory about increased trans identification. Whether that is the same thing is a matter of interpretation, but I think it's pretty darn close, a legitimate interpretation that doesn't make Osbourne a liar there. I don't care much about the oh-so-massive sin of so-called unparliamentary language - there are some famous refusals and resistance to retracting such "language" that I have supported. I don't care about that point of the rulebook, as much as the truth! As about the wellbeing of the people! The truth is important in pursuit of the best interests of the people parliament represents & governs. In fact I feel that rule has been getting in the way of parliaments said duties. We know that the conservative government, prime ministers and other members, over it's many recent configurations have been lying and unparliamentary in many ways!

@davidlancaster4476 8 ай бұрын

@@kathybramley5609 i take it that you don't care about slander and libel just like rayner who was put in her place about lying by penny mordant, and sat down with embarresment and as for lying tony blair and wmd and sending british troops to iraq to their deaths, another labour traitor who ought to be in jail for stealing money from the public to prosecute the very same soldiers that he sent there, as for your statement that goes "i suspect badenoch did say something" , i'd love to hear you reply to a lawyer saying that about a member of your family being charged with a crime, it would be thrown out immediately, that's how people get put in jail, by people giving evidence that starts with "i think it was him or it looked like him"

@skevosmavros 8 ай бұрын

The "epidemic" (not disease) she referred to was an epidemic of people telling "young gay children" that they are trans, and telling them that they should go on hormones etc. The use of the (daft) term "epidemic" was an allegation about the rise in TELLING kids this, not a rise in the number of gay or trans kids themselves. I'm not sure if she ever backs up this claim with data, either in parliament or in committee, but if we're going to attack her for saying a dumb thing, we have to attack her for the dumb thing she actually said. Here's the actual parliamentary session: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kJOTq9CY3K-xlqs.htmlsi=-PoQx-p_BsCpCMnA Jump to 28:08 to see the question that prompted the answer that contains the comment that was misrepresented in committee.

@Kingcarparpeggio 7 ай бұрын

Unparliamentary Language ….hahaha…..more like parliamentary bullshit !!!!

@georgeelliott5613 7 ай бұрын

Unparliamentery language ,if you lie you are a liar

@BevWood-e8g Күн бұрын

Kemi is one of the bravest souls in Britain and God save her because she is fighting the good fight. A lot of Brits are disenfranchised and silenced because of their identity and Kemi is one of the rare few who can break through this garbage as a black woman in government. Im against this identity politics garbage entirely but I wish there were more like her in government to help fight this enormous evil.

@kathybramley5609 8 ай бұрын

Is this your attempt at investigative journalism: have you independently sourced information to back either claim up!? Or are just presenting in the same manner as playground gossip about a fight!

@kathybramley5609 8 ай бұрын

@Xbot4Life 8 ай бұрын

@@kathybramley5609 I suspect she didnt say it, which is why she was so confident. The internet never forgets, if she said it, the person who lied would have made a note of it and quoted it. But she didnt and couldnt, im glad she got called out. I have no love for Kemi's party but if women like the liar are the alternative i will have to vote tories again like i did when i was almost inflicted with corbyn

@gillianrobinson8116 8 ай бұрын

they are both as bad but a chance tories might be slightly better depending who stands but its a 100% certain labour will bring the UK to its knees labour are scary 😤😡

@pietropes1322 8 ай бұрын

Kemi is a stong, intelligent woman who does not back down and deals in facts - a breath of fresh air tbh and I'm no Tory voter.

@Aarenby 8 ай бұрын

She wants all LGBTQ folk non existennt

@grumpyoldman-uk Ай бұрын

Kemi actually used the word epidemic. The thick labour MP though that referred to disease. Dictionary meaning is "an outbreak or product of sudden rapid spread, growth, or development". The use of the word is often associated with the spread of a disease, but that is not its actual true meaning. Eg there can be an epidemic of knife crime.

@billydeeuk Ай бұрын

I’m not defending the Labour MP, who was clearly going for a “gotcha” moment and hadn’t even thought to bring the quote with her in case the Minister or even the Chair asked her to cite her sources - however “epidemic” does have negative connotations (even the example you used, an “epidemic of knife crime” is hardly a desired thing). There is a genuine point to be made as to why the Conservative government used language that is provocative at best, inflammatory at worst, to discuss the rising numbers of children identifying as transgender (particularly when Badenoch clearly has strong personal views on the matter), but that Labour MP chose to come at this not with the surgical, clinical approach a select committee SHOULD take (they exist, after all, to dig below the surface of govt policy) but rather making a nakedly party political point by quoting her out of context

@grumpyoldman-uk Ай бұрын

@@billydeeuk What Kemi had actually referred to was there being an epidemic of schools telling gay children they are transgender. You are right - this was an attempt at a "gotcha" moment by the Labour MP and she came out of it very, very badly. Epidemic is indeed commonly regarded as a bad thing and associated with disease, but that is because the wider meaning has been hi jacked. For me the bigger issue here is that the government (somewhat late) have produced much needed guidance for schools on the back of the Cass Review which Labour are reining back on.

@gamerknown 28 күн бұрын

@@grumpyoldman-uk can you think of an example where epidemic has positive connotations?

@hazelthemcwitch 20 күн бұрын

@@gamerknownit’s an accurate word for the context, this is a social contagion disproportionally affecting kids with conditions such as autism and anorexia. If you think children being given puberty blockers (which commonly cause tumours), hormones and cutting off healthy parts of their bodies (leading to sterilisation and lifelong complications from the surgery) when the evidence shows the majority, if given time, will grow past their gender dysphoria is a positive thing I respectfully suggest you need to re-examine your position. No one is saying trans people don’t exist or shouldn’t have rights and the absolute freedom to live how they choose but there are also valid concerns over child protection and women’s safety to be considered too. I’ve noticed the people who shout the loudest over being inclusive tend to be the ones trying to exclude everyone else.

@roku9134 2 ай бұрын

Fierce

@gadfageyar 19 күн бұрын

Don't like Badenoch in the slightest, but if you're going to accuse someone if saying something at least have a reference of when they said it?!

@HENCHMARV 8 ай бұрын

Why are they promoting children changing gender . They needs to be a law where you can’t change gender until your 18 years old and after a lot of therapy.

@LucyOLastic 8 ай бұрын

Who is "promoting"? The point here is plain. claiming there is an "epidemic of gay children being encouraged to change gender" is likening it to an outbreak of disease. No one said she used that word "disease" but her statement works adequately to imply it. It's as crass as calling the mass migration of boat people an "invasion." She needs to tone down her language. It's an overstatement at best.

@Xbot4Life 8 ай бұрын

Pedo agenda.

@rensha8635 8 ай бұрын

18 too young. In fact any age - wrong. We are our bodies, we are all born the right sex.

@moif_velocita 8 ай бұрын

@@rensha8635 Some of us are trans. How you perceive yourself has no bearing on how others perceive themselves. Attempting to stop other people from living their lives in the manner which best suits them, is evil, even if you do try to use 'concerns' to excuse yourself. Your not protecting any one. Your only hurting trans kids

@moif_velocita 8 ай бұрын

@@Xbot4Life Every right wing accusation is a confession. Go back to your church

@incaseinever 6 ай бұрын

People make stuff up for gas lighting or character attacking and many believe it.

@Benlovescheese Ай бұрын

Tenants right.

@scottcody3026 25 күн бұрын

Future Prime Minister.

@onlylexus 8 ай бұрын

The word 'disease' does not mean exactly the same as 'epidemic' they are not entirely consistent with one another and NOT interchangeable in their use. Epidemic can mean widespread in the sense that anything at all can be widespread, that meaning may not include the widespread of a disease and that should be known by the ignorance of Kate Osborne and her poor accusation. I agree with Badenoch in the sense that she may consider the spread of the Trans ideology and its terrible fall out on society may be an "epidemic". What is wrong with that? Osborne is ignorant!

@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 8 ай бұрын

I don't think theres a 'terrible fall out on society' just because a few man cosplay as woman. But I agree with everything else you said.

@gamerknown 28 күн бұрын

@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 it’s hardly cosplay when people get surgery is it? There are also trans men

@gamerknown 28 күн бұрын

What do you think the trans ideology is? As equality minister she has a duty to advocate for those covered under protected characteristics, including trans people.

@onlylexus 28 күн бұрын

@@gamerknown What do I think the so called "trans ideology " is, you ask... well its a fairy tale invented by the extreme Far left who so, so, so just want it to be true! But its not its a lie! And IT can never be true! There are no such thing as "trans people" they only exist in the mind of the person making the absurd claim? A toad can never be a frog, a frog can never be a toad, no matter how much you want it to be true or say its true. If you want to live in a world where words mean nothing and have lost all there meanings because other extremists say those words don't exist any more, well then go ahead, let us live in a world of total anarchy! If you say I am wrong, then that is a fantasy claim, I am not wrong, I am absolutely right!

@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 28 күн бұрын

@@gamerknown Not everyone who calls themselves trans has surgery. And for those that do, they are still essentially men who think they identify as women.

@geoffm9944 7 ай бұрын

Kemi is brilliant in this verbal exchange. She stood her ground, and quite rightly - because a transgender Labour MP produced a quote from Kemi which was a complete falsehood! Let’s call a spade a spade and say the Labour MP was telling a ‘porky’ and should have apologised to Kemi. Sadly, in this video clip we have a weak and feeble chairperson (Caroline Noakes) who should have told the transgender Labour MP to apologise. But Noakes didn’t have the courage to call out this slur on Kemi. 😊

@brianmorrison9168 7 ай бұрын

Your first three words will do .. Kemi is brilliant

@thenethralking6032 6 ай бұрын

This is what happens when you stand up to bullies. Stand your ground

@grahamcaslake1996 6 ай бұрын

Kemi for pm right NOW

@spalding1968 8 ай бұрын

What the hell is going on here ? Badendoch used the word epidemic correctly ! These are the definitions of the word “ epidemic “ 1. An outbreak of a contagious disease that spreads rapidly and widely. 2. A rapid spread, growth, or development: Notice the second definition fits precisely with what Badendoc is saying and is not strictly relevant to a disease . You can have an epidemic of bad ideas . If autistic girls and gay children who previously grew up with autism in the same sex at birth continued on life identifying with their sex , suddenly started to identify other than their birth sex , then that explosion could be likened to an epidemic . There has been something like a 4000% increase in young people being referred for trans related care . That’s an explosion akin to an epidemic similar to definition two . The minister is therefore actually lying .

@hughwilliams5995 8 ай бұрын

The second meaning is a metaphorical one. The original meaning is the first. The metaphorical purpose here is to describe something both growing exponentially and very bad- like a disease epidemic. As for 'the minister lying'- I think you haven't understood select committees (either).

@spalding1968 8 ай бұрын

@@hughwilliams5995 how do you know which definition kemi meant ?

@hughwilliams5995 8 ай бұрын

One has to look at context. Ms Badenoch (I'm not on first name terms) has made it her stock in trade to attack what she sees as a 'Woke Identity Culture' in which Trans people appear to have a special place both on the right and the left. Her words have been carefully abusive and ad hominem in style and she uses her intelligence to ensure that the maximum number of her canine followers respond violently to her whistle. Invoking disease is an excellent ploy for her just as invoking 'invasion' is good for her campaign to pull the ladder up on immigration. @@spalding1968

@keyboarddancers7751 6 ай бұрын

I wouldn't've moderated my response as well as Ms Badenoch.

@ijansk 7 ай бұрын

I'm not from the UK but I support the Badenoxh womna for speaking for the protection of gay kids against transitioning them.

@theeperson3764 7 ай бұрын

You’re disgusting for using children born gay as a stick to beat children born transgender with. What about children born bisexual or Aromantic and asexual who realise r they’re trans? The label they use for their sexuality does not change regardless of their gender.

@stephenblanchard8973 6 ай бұрын

...what a disgrace Badenough is....

@Blacknight1812 2 ай бұрын

if an MP makes a statement that is not true, then it is a LIE. Kemi is perfectly entitled to call out the MP who says something that is not true that cannot be referenced by date or source. The word LIE is a very powerful word and sometimes it should be used. It just goes to show that some MP's are thin skinned when they get caught out and the chair should have asked for the source of the statement, or ask her to withdraw it, if it is not true.

@michaellee5730 8 ай бұрын

Our next conservative PM right there

@Aarenby 8 ай бұрын

She's gonna unalive me

@Circa1692 6 ай бұрын

Respect to Kemi. She speaks more truthfully than any politician that sits in the HP and isn't afraid to do so! I find it concerning that people like that man and other waek minded out of touch MP's are (undemocratically) elected to represent the UK.

@mrrt2317 4 ай бұрын

The rank hypocrisy of Kemi saying we use facts. From a government that denies reality, routinely lies and refuses evidence based policy. Lol.

@scottholt69ify 7 ай бұрын

Well the she did lie. Did not give any dates or facts to back it up

@kevinmcelhone7905 7 ай бұрын

She is a top gal. That’s a labour MP out and out telling lies.

@paulsoames7980 7 ай бұрын

Could I remind the minister that the truth cannot be spoken here.Kemi always has their number

@lw1zfog 8 ай бұрын

now, now ladies. calm it down. why not ask ‘the Pritzker’s’ ? they’ve got ‘tHE $ciENcE’ on this all sorted 🥴

@wingingninja 8 ай бұрын

So basically “ fxxxk” you!! I like this woman! Straight talker. Transgender is a broad term. It covers people who have body dysmorphia very similar to the dysmorphia anorexic people experience. It is a concerning condition and people need loads of support. However also coming under the transgender term are people with autogynephelia . A man who is sexually aroused by the thought of himself as a female. Basically it’s a fetish, many of whom have no intention to physically alter ing their body as with people who have a deep psychological feeling they were born into the wrong body. Autogynephiles are content to dress as women and wish to be validated as such by using womens spaces. They need an audience. Many call themselves lesbian . Some go onto lesbian websites and accuse biological women as being transphobic for not dating them. I understand that some of them really struggle with this fetish and purge themselves by getting rid of all their female clothes, only to relapse and start buying all over again but many don’t. Like Badenoch says in this video. Precise language is very important and so when engaging in this type of debate it’s important to identify who you are talking about .

@ediblelipscrubs9466 8 ай бұрын

Accurate analysis.

@Aarenby 8 ай бұрын

There is no such thing as AGP and everyone who believes in it also think anime makes you gay and that bi folk don't exist. Because Raymond blanchard has said these things