Yes, Parkinson was. Kenneth, though, was talking out of his arse.

Ant and Dec will havwe something to say about that!

@@doublewhopper67 examples?

Shame he had to be interviewed by that pervert Parkinson

So very true.

@@RPMcM09 The comparison is to today's chat show standards not mine.

Today's chat shows are just full of self promoters

Never a truer word was spoken Eddy Babe.

@@eddybabe7963 Well said. I reckon OMR is as brainless as the tripe he or she prefers to watch, hence, they felt impelled to make such a crass, arrogant and blinkered comment towards someone who rightly said things were better back then on chat shows.

yes...sadly

And an elitists hypocrite with no class consciousness whose acceptance rests on the working people he would decry for their class struggles.

He was talking bollocks.

byron elenica yes but he is dead

@@jamescullen2448 is he?? cripes!!! I did not know that????? Shock horror.

byron elenica well he might not be,because he was in carry on screaming,💀

John Gordon that’s east London if you go north, north west you’ll find lots of Jewish people if you go south east you find lots of black people if you go to West it’s mostly middle class white people and Edgware is a very Arab area, what you very rarely find is working class English as they have all mostly gone to Kent and Essex after they sold their council houses but in all these areas is a huge mix, I do prefer the old days myself but it is what it is. Another change is that you will now find tons of middle class white English people in PEKHAM and Brixton which is a huge change from 10-20 years ago when it was mostly Afro-Caribbean, it’s an ever changing city but if you travel it widely you certainly would not call it londanistan.

@@paulh7360 Well said, although the "London is a hellhole" types are usually just common racists, so your nuances are lost on them.

@Julia A not the same, no where near the same as in his day

@Julia A fair enough

@@tedhuges8275 unfortunately your right.

He certainly was VERY INTELLIGENT! And a fabulous actor !

and on speed

A gentleman and a scholar, and he's absolutely right; suburban London's developments look awful. RIP.

Well said, T-bone!

You calling him a "tour de force" and claiming you can judge who is well read is too funny. A person can't be that, his performance could be, but not him...😂😂😂

You are vulgar and a horrible human being

@@batheandrelaxinmyshit6344 Yes, but he keeps his car nicely vacuumed.

How true...

Talented, intelligent and with something to say, Matron.

Just Carry On Movies and privileged posh people.

Professor McGoneghal was a hottie!

Yes and yes :o)

Maggie needed several bacon sandwiches.

No

Yeah Maggie was a fox back then. But have you seen her now.? An old, ugly, moody, annoying woman. You can't even imagine that she was quite attractive once upon a time.

Accents not language

@@spidyman8853 ... two sides of the same coin - both have changed.

Immigration has probably had a lot to do with that.......

@@Desertduleler_88 Immigration has historically always been the key factor in changing languages and accents. However, today, the influences of foreign TV and movies (mainly American) have been added to the mix. The appalling TV show "Neighbours" did profound linguistic damage to two generations of young British girls.

@@richardhart9204 l was referring to non European immigrants which don’t speak English as their first language. I find it hard to believe “Neighbours “ was destructive to Britain compared to American content.

"Well, you should get out more." Was the ideal retort, at that point.

I so wanted Parkie to say “oh come on, think back”

@@slayerrocks2 I remember Benny Hill giving that as the answer to that same comment in his show.

Yes me too, I had a horrible feeling he was going to talk about protecting old buildings etc, but no he was all about homes for people 👍💛.. I feel bad I stereotyped him in my mind due to linguistic ability.

@Randy Bobandy Never practiced it.

@@xamurai00 His diaries suggest otherwise!

He was talking bollocks about jobs.

@@xamurai00 he claimed to be celebate but those who travelled with him to tunisia would tell you a different story. He was often seen disappearing off riding pillion on young mens mopeds.

And was more enjoyable to watch as a viewer as a result, I'm tired of these ''debate'' shows where they just seem to consist of talking over one another, although this was before my time it was interesting to watch.

this is class. unlike nowadays...strength is measured on how much shouting you can do, intimidation and vulgarity

What you're referring to I would call a "row".

Yes this is exactly what an argument should look like.

A clash of ideas, rather than egos.

I didn't realise that he cared so much about these issues. I enjoyed hearing him speak so passionately . Thanks for the upload

Moral issues like... worker frustration? Wanting to be compensated properly for your work?

Absolutely Correct-can you imagine Kerry Katona or any of those fools from One Direction quoting a little Voltaire Kant or Shaw -dumb down, Deeper on down.

Ogri Grindstaff oh calm down you septic turd Noel Fielding turd would think that Voltaire is an hors d'oeuvre not the point I made and you’re not as clever as you think you are.

Niles Harilie the Voltron.., isn't he a car that talks?😉

Un be lieve a ble. I grew up in 70s watching carry on films not knowing this guy is a genius. I love him more now. Guys nowadays haven't heard of Voltaire. In my day guys worked down the pits

@@crispindry2815 Fry, yes. Fielding, no. Russell Brand? Quite possibly.

Ohh , Matron !

Yes, she looks fantastic!

I am very very late to the party but yes she looks absolutely beautiful here. And I think she looks so like her son, Toby Stephenson, here.

So easily.

Yes not like now !

The Parkinson interviews were fabulous and demonstrated what CRAP chat shows today really are. I particularly loved the ones where he devoted the entire show to only one guest - Richard Harris, Dr. Jacob Bronowski, and the great Sammy Davis Jr.

A commie in other words, a curse on society .

Tories are the biggest blight on society

@@patrick7775 You seem like a bright fellow. I hope you're employed in some high level job where you obvious intellect can be put to good use.

I think he made a fair point there. And then it all went downhill once he started ranting about striking.

KW was quite good at talking over people but to be fair, even in those days chat shows would give each guest their main turn. Im sure Maggie Smith and John Betjamin did get a chance to say rather more during the programme. If everyone had been as amusingly dominating as KW it wouldn't have worked and I'm sure that's partly why Parky took issue with some of what he said.

The carry on films were an insult to Kenneth Williams who was obviously capable of something with a little more depth

@@helenamcginty4920They weren’t an insult, they made him!!

@@woowah32and yet he really didnt enjoy them, despite being the most featured actor of the whole ensemble

Yes he did come from a working class family and did work hard but what parkinson was saying just because you did well doesn't mean a working class man doesn't deserve a decent wage who also works hard.

@@leanneleatherbarrow5843 absolutely. Anyone who works hard deserves a decent wage. In many ways I suppose the conversation they were having is perhaps more applicable to today’s world even more than the 1970s. There are hard working people who work their fingers to the bone and struggle to get by financially. Yet there are people out there who have celebrity status, are gifted endless luxuries all whilst contributing nothing of real value to society: Reality TV Stars, Social Media Influencers, Footballers Wives…I could go on. At least back in the 70s to be a celebrity you had to have some sort of worthwhile talent to be famous. Just need to look at guys like Ken Dodd, Les Dawson, Joe Longthorne, Bob Monkhouse, Bruce Forsyth…they all had genuine talents and worked hard to get where they ended up. Sadly not everyone has a talent that can land them a life of luxury but I wholeheartedly agree with you (and Parkinson in that respect) that anyone who works hard, regardless of social status, SHOULD be given a decent wage. It’s just a pity that society has always and probably will always favour the haves over the have nots.

Probably forced to serve at that time but didnt make him any lesser..

You can't agree with them both, they were arguing!

+greenaum ha ha

@@greenaum you can agree that both had good points and they did

Parky's argument was realistic, Williams was idealistic.

agree. he also had that union leader on after this ..the following week. i cant find that interview. but it was awesome.

Scargill? I seem to recall Parky interviewing him at some point.

no jimmy reid..i could listen to them forever! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/orB_la-jv6q4cqc.html

Lakshman Dalpadado I know. I never knew Kenneth, but I REALLY do miss him, his wonderful way he has ('had'...oops).

Every conversation is missing Oliver Reed!

I totally agree Dan. What a contrast from the rubbish we are asked to digest these days.

Spoiled, only by the presence of Michael Parkinson.

Parky is such a nob. I'd forgotten how annoying he was. Kenneth Williams, however, was great to watch, even if his opinions made me cringe a bit in places.

What does he say at 6:25? I found him hard to follow.

I'm surprised to hear you say that - the stagnation in people's wages is closely connected to the decline in union power. Quite bizarre to make an argument which places unions in opposition to homelessness - if you are not getting decent wages you may very well find yourself homeless.

Jesus how old are you now

I mean, as was pointed out in this interview, it's very easy for him to say when he's got a glamorous and well paid job that he loves. But as Michael pointed out, not every job is like that and it's quite right that people in those job, which are essential for our country to keep ticking, should aspire for more. Doesn't matter how much pride you take in your job if it doesn't pay you enough to live off, as many teachers and nurses and bin men are currently finding.

​@@SuperSupermanX1999Kenneth also saying people shouldn't strike because it harms others is also nonsense. He says people should be more forgiving. Would he be like that if the theatre bosses were paying him pennies while charging huge fees at the box office? He would be withdrawing his Labour to fight for a better wage just like the people he criticised.

Yep, altruism was on it's way out back then. Today it's pretty much dead.

@@infol1537 You people aren't the solution, you're the problem. You can't wait to say something negative about your own country. Your ancestors must read your stuff and think _"Is that what a Brit sounds like in 2020?"_

You are obviously clueless...I lived in the E&C and it was a nice place back in the 70s and 80s...its a Dump now, but was not back in the days.

@@mus139 Then get off your arse and fix it instead of being a whining, negative wimp.

@@mus139 Honestly, real Brits are sick and tired of you lowlifes running your own incredible country down. Thank god your ancestors can't read what you pussies say about Britain in 2020, they'd be ashamed of you.

Doubt that will ever happen he was a fascinating person 🙃

I'd hazard the closest is Stephen Fry

@@mattjaylane5850 No way .

We have garnered the cult of mediocrity, here in England now. Too many people wanting their glimpse of fame and dreaming of a "Get rich quick" scenario. Sadly, far too many get their 5 minutes of fame and a cash injection, but it's not enough for them and their desired lifestyles. Once their fame fizzles out, they're brought back to Earth with a thump. And just around the corner are the gutter press, waiting to pounce on yet another "Riches to rags" story. Another issue is the one of offence. The fame wannabes don't want to risk causing offence to people, for fear of their manager dropping them like a stone.And managers want to play things safe nowadays. Thus, the UK is now plentiful in celebrities, but lacking in personalities.

@@Deegee_1969 he said it himself in this video - "Self discipline, going on night after night and doing it well". He did it because he enjoyed it. I don't get that feeling from any modern day celebrities.

WELL PUT MATE

Thank Christ you aren't in 2023.

Debates are all scripted these days.

Definitely, if only modern celebrities were half as interesting to listen to. I don't agree with everything he said he definitely lost me when he said people should realise their limitations but I could still listen to him all day.

vrikey yes we agree.

Yup I literally just came here from a woman reacting to Glad all over by the Dave Clark five and I’m glad I did

Yes we do.

Certainly high quality guests but I bet all three were promoting their new books, plays , films etc !!

For passion see opinion for opinion see cancelled ...You cant have an opinion or free thought these days its just not allowed

OMR What problem do you have with Kenneth Williams?

OMR - Forget the way he sounds/looks. Thats his own unique voice! He definitely has an extensive vocabulary, which I very much doubt you have in your repertoire. Notice how the movie and music industry has changed for the worse since these men started to disappear. Coincidence? Unless your telling me you prefer Justin Bieber and ppl like Vin Diesel ect.

Totally oblivious to the lives of the working class

David James even if there was a live audience you can be sure canned laughter was already standard fare even then.

Probably because they're not quite sure what to make of their comic hero speaking so passionately on such a serious subject. They're not laughing at what he's saying - they're laughing at the fact that he's saying it.

@@Reymundodonsayo No canned laughter on this. It went out live and they always showed the studio audience at the start. Some people would laugh simply because it was Kenny ranting. Like people went to see Harry H Corbett in Richard III because of Steptoe and Son and laughed whenever he spoke, completely failing to understand what they were hearing.

Because they are braindead sheep..

@@rhapsag Thanks for your insight. I was curious as to the reason. If this reads as sarcastic, I am actually being genuine.

Stunning, absolutely stunning. One could even say PHWOAR!

Agreed. Maggie is absolutely stunning

She was very beautiful, i can see her son Toby Stephens in her looks.

...listen to him on 'Just a Minute'

Most celebs in those days were. There were no social media shortcuts.

Absolutely spot on.

Maggie Smith... was there . Who is Maggie Smith ? No idea. I must go to Google.

Isn't that the definition of a Westerner with a internet connection - Special, famous and rich. We are home in the land of milk and honey, and everything is within reach.

That's probably the most obnoxious nonsense I've ever heard or read. If people were to accept their limitations then humanity would have achieved nothing.

@@dazpatreg "All this lay in the planet's remote past. It was, however, a descendant of one of these eccentric poets who invented the spurious tales of impending doom which enabled the people of Golgafrincham to rid themselves of an entire useless third of their population. The other two-thirds stayed firmly at home and lived full, rich and happy lives until they were all suddenly wiped out by a virulent disease contracted from a dirty telephone."

@@parishna4882 Adams at his best, brilliant.

Rambling Sid Rumpole, "At this time of year I always rub butter on my red-hot-poker.

Gemma Collins 😂😂😂😂😂

J EDIT spot on, the person that gets ahead typically is the person that cares and applies themselves that can be an actor, it can be a manual labourer it can be anyone in any walk of life. Ken speaks the truth whilst parky gives a lazy argument about entitlement

@Edward Hayes as anyone should, the way I see it is many of these union men, of whom I worked with in factories, people who came into working life in the sixties and seventies, just cared about themselves it wasn't a socialist morality. That's what Ken is saying when he says about the extra quid. I've been the idler getting away with the bare minimum and I've applied myself I know both mindsets and the truth is when you apply yourself you typically get further and other people don't like it because the truth is that they could do the same but they don't want to and the union is just another way of them getting more out the boss for the same work (excluding a rise to match cost of living etc), this'll be the same person that goes on and talks up their pay in the office to get it higher than a fellow worker even after the union got it up. That same person would then give a Parky argument, or label someone like Ken a Champagne Socialist. I witnessed that for 15 odd years. And I stand by Ken, apply yourself, get rewarded and think about the good of others. I also stand by the rights of the workers to organise against employers and governments that undermine their ability to live a decent lives by squeezing them too tight

@Edward Hayes I agree with all that but I think the point was if all you do is care about the extra quid you're not taking forward the social morality that would try to attain real improvement for everyone, whether that is actually possible or not is another thing, but just because Ken made a success of himself doesn't take away from that, at least he knows what it's like to hold down various shit jobs and live that life, some people never even see that, especially those who had a charmed life before their careers in film and media, I know he was set for stardom, but he'd probably still have those principles if he hadn't made it. Ken is not the person who needs dressing down in my view. The unions are all the working man and woman has to have power over employers and I certainly would want to see a UK with out them, and I don't complain when people are on strike but equally ask yourself how do you take things forward outside the union membership and striking. That's all I'm saying, and I stand by the point it's not what you do it's the way you do it... every job can be done badly or it can be done well..

@Edward Hayes What are you on about? The carry on films were famous for the poor pay that actors received. What the leading actresses got was absolutely atrocious. Kenneth never got paid anything close to a Hollywood star. He had to continue working throughout his whole life. He also comes from a working class family, he was never rich. Try to understand people before you slate them. And anyway, jobs in the '60's (and up to the time of this programme in '73) were really easy to find. They were everywhere. People always had the option of finding a better job. And even a low pay job was enough to afford a mortgage and a family. Not like these days. And not like the 40's and 50's when Kenneth was a young man. Union bosses became too powerful, too selfish and had become the very thing they were supposed to fight against. No matter what was given, it was never good enough. The result: shit economy, not enough jobs in the UK, and union bosses have become irrelevant and powerless.

@@Krshna28 👍🏻

She's about as ugly as they come.

I still have no idea who's Maggie Smith is or was.

ERL - why even mention their sexuality? It’s totally irrelevant to the point you’re making.

Because it's at odds with today's SJW snowflake mentality, where being gay makes you an automatic 'victim'. Williams didn't and Starkey doesn't act like a victim.

Unions are useful vehicles for working class people to improve their lot in life. If they were asking for large pay increases then I could understand, but the requests appear to be modest. What's the problem with that approach?

@@evoermine Bit of interest, though. Never knew that about Mr Starkey.

James Wilkinson correct James

Curtis Phillips it is a shit hole

Apparently Donald Trump won't be coming there soon

Is bloody ugly though.

Why is it called Elephant and Castle?

Joanne Russel The name is derived from a coaching inn that used to stand there. hidden-london.com/gazetteer/elephant-and-castle/

Keep listening and accept your limitations and shit wage...elitist bullshit

bob thebuilder early example of virtue signalling? regardless, loved his wit , I loved litsening to just a minute

bob thebuilder Not much if he caught one pissing in his doorway

Wow read between the lines. KW would still be living in his giant house cleaning it for the 50th time that day, not giving a shit about anyone else.

Everything he said was viewable through his own tortured psyche.

That bit about voltairr... ALWAYs gefts ME 😂😂😂😂😂

great show

gary reid Mavis cruet the fairy Edna the evil witch, wasn’t she a tv lol 😂

@@samantharossiter8808 yes she was

Why shouldn't people go on strike to earn more money? Aren't they worth it?

I can see both sides but Parky had a good point and derailed Kenneth for a bit and the only way he could recover was to start going on about Voltaire to show how well read he was. Luckily it was also quite funny.

kenneth was great here at talking over everyone and using humour to deflect rational arguments made against him. yes, well played. cicero would have been proud of him

He’s not in heaven, he’s sleeping. I’d think he’d be more upset at Europe’s identity & culture disappearing for communism under the guise of political correctness.

@@paulanthony5274 Look at the Kalergi symbol on the E.U flag. Research Richard Coudenhove Kalergi

@@donaldduck7461 Except Kenneth was pro EU.

@@MrChintaro You’re right

@@donaldduck7461 Oh FFS we've had enough of bullshit conspiracy theories for this year already.

Everywhere in England now has large numbers sleeping rough in the towns and cities. Ive never seen it so bad in my life and i ain't that old. The investment our governments have spent on its own people with their money is non existent. The little things that have been done in the last 20 years have been paid for by new housing developments.

He was incorrect about the pride of a job,if you get shit on from the higher ups,do you think for one second that pride would come into it.?

@@mickdwyer4254 Why would you get shit on if you do a job well? If you do a good job and get shit on by higher-ups, get new job. Your current employer won't last anyway. Sounds to me like you are brainwashed by communist propaganda.

@@marclacey2263 Ur a bit of a moron really aren't ya😬 Real world we get shit on,go back to sleep Marc it was all just a bad dream😴sshhhhh

I thought both KW and Parky made good points. Wouldn't have wanted KW's rather Tory idealisation of work regardless of pay without Parky's more grounded riposte.

And he was also on the right side of this debate. KW was dead wrong if you ask me. Still wonderful to listen to, but dead wrong.

​@@tomeldersQuite right. Not often Parky told a guest he was talking crap but it made for another great TV moment. But because it was the exception not the rule.

jordsupp I don’t get all this fawning over Maggie Smith, she looks like a transgender dominatrix to me.

Im mean..she's not REALLY gorgeous any more is she?

@@Joshua-jj4xn WTF is Maggie Smith ?

@@Joshua-jj4xn If I have to go to google to find out who Maggie Smith is, it means... You sure don't need to google Ava Gardner, Sofia Loren or Marilyn Monroe.

TYRONEGIRL1 I’m actually considering getting rid of my tv, for the first time ever because the dross that all the channels are serving up now is total garbage. Plus they actually repeat the crap that you don’t want to see a first time. I remember when there was two tv channels in the 70s and the tv shows back then were excellent, infact, everyone goes on KZfaq to watch those old shows today lol

That's what I did about ten years ago. Go for it!

did it 4 years ago .never once regretted it

Madrigalman22 I agree with every word

TYRONEGIRL1 there are a lot of crude and talentless celebrities now. They get paid huge amounts of money and we are supposed to sit and watch them. I turn my tv off. I remember the generation game on a Saturday evening. It was great family entertainment and it involved real people with real lives. Those were happy days

I don't think he demolished him. It's not enough to speak with conviction, the substance of what you're saying matters, and for someone who believes in improving the social standing of workers his arguments aren't particularly convincing (in other words, his arguments only land with people who already agree with him).

@@blahdelablah Kenneth did demolish him. Kenneth was talking about society coming to help each other to better everyone's lives. Parky had nothing to say except raise wage for the person who doesn't want to get a better job. And this is 1973, jobs were everywhere.

@@Krshna28 Not every job that is required by society is a stimulating job. Even if other jobs are available, at the very least people should be free to bargain collectively for better rewards for their work. It doesn't mean that they'll get it, but if their work is undervalued then it's as good a way as any to address that.

@@blahdelablah The problem during that era was that the jobs already had good rewards, but it was never enough. In the previous decades people generally supported unions and they did good work. By 1973, working conditions and pay were pretty good. But unions were never happy, and started striking of trivial issues. People began to resent the unions. The point of unions were to help those in need, but unless you paid the membership, they didn't care.

@@Krshna28 I'm sure it's possible for unions to get greedy, so it's necessary to look at each request by unions on a case by case basis. In general I don't think it's the responsibility of unions to tackle the issues of non-members, even for members of public sector unions. Homelessness is undoubtedly a problem, but the main way to tackle this is for governments to provide social housing and rehabilitation and training programs. As the American judge Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. put it, "Taxes are the price we pay for civilization.". Aside from driving innovation, the main priority of paying taxes should be to provide a safety net for the least fortunate amongst us.