It is. They’re fighting again for money not story purpose

Yes, it reminds me of all the amazing theories people came up with after the Force Awakens, and you see how that worked out.

Yeah pretty much

I just wish that I believed that Disney put half as much thought into the real series. Thor’s narrative feels perfect.

Or in somekind of PTSD force-back vision that Kenobi could have.

I think so too. I almost hope that there is a twist that by "the rematch of the century" they might mean Obi wan vs Ventris, or any significant rival he had a cool fight with. And I know they use the word rematch, but maybe they will do something similar to Fallen Order and have him fight his master (they might have done sparring back in the day). Idk, fingers crossed for *meaningful* fan service.🤞🤞❤️

This is the thing, don't build your hopes up. I did nothing but listen to many Starwars KZfaqr's ideas and theories and especially the whole idea of the sequel trilogy being retconned for a good 3 years i built up all these expectations in my head and now it's all just become one big disappointment. My overall optimism and interest in "Disney Star Wars" is practically non-existent at this point, i'm just advising don't do what i did.

Your theory makes to much sense, for Disney to use it. Your comment at the end about Disney trying to sell some subscriptions is probably correct.

Only the Sith deal in absolutes.

First off, if we compare where Vader and Obi-Wan leave off in ROTS and what they say about each other before their encounter in ANH, absolutely none of it lines up with what happened on Mustafar. In fact, it makes more sense that they DO meet up once and that Obi-Wan is thought to be dead. A few lines in ANH make them meeting up again abundantly clear; - “when I left you I was but the learner, now I am the master.” I’m sorry but when in ROTS did Anakin leave Obi-Wan? I wonder if maybe Vader left Obi-Wan for dead after a second duel? - “Surely he must be dead by now.” Tarkin seems to doubt Vader when he’s told that Obi-Wan is alive and on the Death Star. Wonder why that could be? Maybe because Vader thought he killed him in a previous encounter? And one other line in ROTJ that was already talked about: - “Obi-Wan once thought as you do.” But in ROTS, Obi-Wan went to Mustafar with orders to KILL Anakin. He didn’t try to reason with him to any extent. Obi-Wan beats Anakin and then literally leaves him for dead, thinking he killed his former friend. He declines telling Padmé that he killed Anakin when she says “I know there’s still good in him.” So at this point he feels guilty for not even trying to save Anakin. My theory is that taking all of this into consideration, in this show we see Obi-Wan hear of a “Lord Vader” for the first time in 10 years, and panics much like he did back in legends continuity. He’s gonna pull it together and he’s either going to be luring Vader (who’s on Obi-Wan’s trail) to an alternate location to keep him from finding Luke, OR he’s going to seek Vader out to face his guilt that he didn’t try to save Anakin the first time, and will try to save him this time, only to find that Vader’s hatred of him has only grown exponentially and we see Obi-Wan get his ass kicked so bad that Vader believes he’s dead, and leaves the premises. This way we get 1) Vader actually leaving Obi-Wan. 2) Obi-Wan trying to redeem Vader, letting us know why he would encourage Luke to kill his own father later on. 3) a reason for Vader and Tarkin to be surprised that Obi-Wan IS alive and on the Death Star. Just like that, Vader and Obi-Wan dueling again actually cleans up the continuity between the two characters between their two canonical duels. Vader and Obi-Wan dueling again won’t break continuity at all.

I don’t actually know about that. Here’s how I see it: (summed up bc I don’t have much time to type lol) Obi-Wan’s been STUCK for a longass time now, (Maybe he starts to go a bit crazy at times) wondering if this is all really worth it, if it means anything, if his exile is actually going anywhere. His reunion with Vader makes him remember he still has a job to do. It’s not the end just yet. But at the same time, it could remind him of why he hates fighting, why he hates war, why he wants it to end, and most importantly, why he hates flying lol

This could be a sort of explanation as to how he kept up his resolve for so long, as well as having the force as an ally

@@itsthemumu8585 Nicely put. For me, it would work best if it happened early on in his exile (for all those points you raise to sit just right with the continuity).

@@whythatspreposterous I see what you’re getting at, but keep in mind that the Empire didn’t have much of a presence on Tatooine in the Original Trilogy, except for when R2 and 3PO were on the loose with the Death Star plans. In this regard, I think Obi-Wan maybe not finding out that Anakin is alive (or just not acting on it) until he hears word from an Inquisitor of a “Lord Vader” or gets Inquisitors hunting him that he leaves planet to find Vader/Anakin. Something like this could easily take maybe ten years for the information to circulate to a hermit on a backwater planet like Tatooine

I will try to do spoiler free reviews for Kenobi and other shows down the road, or perhaps open my videos with a quick spoiler free review before getting into the spoiler stuff.

Would you ppl quit the hatred do h have a life

@@da-vidcargill4975 not liking something is a perfectly normal human emotion. He is fine to not like The Last Jedi and is asking for a review for Kenobi before watching. I however, did like the trailer for it and these theories.

coming 3 months later, I can confidently say they don't seem to be doing it for spectacle but for the sake of Obi Wan's development and rationalizing how he feels about Vader by the time of ESB (why he doesn't believe he can be redeemed), the first encounter was surprisingly non spectacular. Now whether or not that decision is a good one of that it will improve Obi Wan's character and stuff remains to be seen, but its quite clear this is being used as a means to explore and elaborate on Obi Wan's outlook further.

Nice sentiment but there is a major difference between what the creator of Star Wars does with his own story as opposed to what other people who have shown time and time again no regard for that story. Besides these supposed "continuity mistakes" you point out are ones created by other people because they didn't like the answers Lucas gave to them. Obi-Wan was trained by Yoda as Yoda trained everyone at one point as younglings. Leia remembers Padme, like people forget that she carried the twins for months. Somehow Luke and Leia didn't exist before they were born? The "Obi-Wan once thought as you do." is in the prequels but it's Padme who still thinks there is good in him and she tells Obi-Wan. It's Vader who says the line not Obi-Wan. I don't know why people take everything Vader says at face value like somehow he isn't a manipulative Sith who plays around with the truth. I guess the same people take everything Palpatine says as true?

No

agreed

When Vader makes that quote imo he means that he was a learner of the dark side and now he's a sith lord , a dark side master. Also I believe there won't actually be a rematch. I belive their duels will happen in flashbacks to mustafar and force visions forshadowing their duel in ANH but obviously reshot for the show. Technically it's happening in the show but in star wars it's just a force vision albeit very detailed. They can't retcon the original trilogy , they just can't. But I'm sure they'll make it work and work well with force dreams and force visions.

Technically, that wasn't the time he was talking about.

Hopfully it's recon and we get to see this duel

I think when Vader said that he meant it as in when he left Kenobi and the Jedi as a whole. Not that he physically left him. Vader suspected Obi Wan to still be alive at the time of Rebels as per his conversation with Palpatine in that show, so if the two of them do have a proper fight that isn't a vision or anything then I'd expect it to most likely end with Obi Wan having to flee.

BoBF had the elements of a slam dunk revenge story. And they messed it up. I don't trust them to do anything right with this franchise after that.

@@sivad1025 The sequels weren’t enough evidence of that? Lol.

@@FJAR1635 I thought the sequels were a product of the "creative" team on board. But BOBF proved that even with good creators like Filoni and Favreau, Disney has too much oversight for these series to be good

Well this is why fans really need to go look at BOBF, all the hype and expectation of that delving into the whole criminal underworld, only for it to go practically nowhere at all. It feels like most (young) fans will be stuck in this cyclical process of keep falling for the hype and get disappointed; only to then move onto the next show and expect that to be great, and so on, and so on.

@@RaikenXion That is why modern plots no longer make sense for more than 5 minutes at a time; the same amount of time the modern generations have for an attention span.

Exactly what I said but it can work in a force vision. Did you read The Rise of Darth Vader novel ??

Wrong. Vader and Kenobi could both get drunk and while they are fighting each other in disguise they forgot about everything they did the previous night. Jar JAr start a lightsaber duel contest. And that is what gets Vader and Kenobi to go to the competition in hopes of finding out how many threat still exist to the jedi. It's a way for the Sith to capture new talent. I think Star Wars is pretty much doomed because it is all going to lead up to the sequel trilogy so I really could not care less now. Luke will be a loser, Rey will have used her "Force Leech" special ability to leech powers from all force wielders to make herself the strongest jedi of all time, and Grogu will kill Luke Skywalker for the Mandolorians and hand his lightsaber to the orange female yoda a a trophy. May as well start all over again and remake the whole star wars franchise now. (similar to how remakes are done of all the other major movie franchises - let some new young talent take over from where Lucas left off)

That depends on whether you place any merit on anything Disney has done in the first place. Just look at it for what it is as mostly failed spectacle projects.

@@ariesroc Unfortunately true.

I like this a lot. I hope the show ends up being similar.

This would be amazing, just reading it gave me chills. I like this much better than Thor's, and much, much better than what we'll probably get.

THANK YOU!

Indeed, well i ain't signing upto Disney+ to find out, at this point i'm like - fuck Disney!

Disagree. Death Star fight isn't good enough to be the first meeting since Mustafar. Physically and emotionally its weak as fuck. A rematch can fit and it should be done. A duel in ObiWans head is also super lame and stakeless.

@@TopTwom thing is that fight came first, it happened just happened just like the dogshite sequels,they're inconsistent weak AF story but we have to accept they're Disney canon. With the Obi/Vader DS fight in ANH, it happened and it's CANON period. Also you have to understand well here, bk in 1977 a "laser-sword duel" was totally original, no one had thought of or saw anything like that before, and i'm sure if George Lucas had more time, cause he was scrambling to get that movie finished on time, he would have focused more on properly choreographing that fight. You should respect this. Now let me tell you this where Disney is concerned, if they ever decide to digitally-edit out or change the ANH Lightsaber duel, the rest of us fans will officially declare the sequel trilogy NO CANON! It's as simple as that, you dont change the Creator's work. You accept what they did and you build from it.

@@RaikenXion George Lucas himself has danced around his own canon in the prequels. SO much of what is 'assumed' in the OT is changed in the prequels. Then he did it again with the Clone Wars where things are added to the canon that were clearly not intended originally. People need to realize what Lucaa himself realized... you can improve on whats already established.

I totally think so too. I almost hope that there is a twist that by "the rematch of the century" might mean Obi wan vs Ventris, or any significant rival he had a cool fight with. And I know they use the word rematch, but maybe they will do something similar to Fallen Order and have him fight his master (they might have done sparring back in the day). Idk, fingers crossed for *meaningful* fan service.🤞🤞❤️

@@marshmallowvampire8503 I can almost guarantee you that the “Rematch of the Century” is going to be Kenobi vs Vader. Disney wants to draw in as many viewers as possible, right? Not every Star Wars fan has seen the Clone Wars or played Fallen Order. Many of them wouldn’t know who characters like Ventress are. However, almost 99% of Star Wars fans have seen a New Hope and the duel between Kenobi and Vader, two of the series’ most legendary figures. THAT’S the demographic that Disney’s looking to grab.

@@marshmallowvampire8503 Ventress died 19 years BBY

Yeh since Vader and kenobi never saw each other again after the events of order 66

@@ragequittingmike7709 It is never stated in cannon that they never meet after Mustafar. At best, the lines in New Hope can be interpreted as if they did meet at one point. See a comment above for details.

People who'd like to see old things in star wars hold back what is to come in star wars aren't fans of star wars

@@evancawley3236 Ok buddy. So if I want Obi-Wan to be a gay in this show for example, I'm still a fan. Got it.

@@UsernameGeri hahah fan of the dick 😂😂 no I just don't think one line in a flim that is slightly vague should stop a obi wan series from having action in it. One thing Disney era is lacking is force users killing people like we got in the prequels. Have that dream duel with Vader but gives us maybe a live action of killing maul or/and finding mace windu or/and hunting down some sith assassins. Do any of them ideas sound appealing to you ?

@@evancawley3236 I was just making an absurd example lol. My point was that if you simply want to see what *you* want in star wars out of sheer selfishness, which contradicts and/or ruins what came before, then you aren't actually a fan of well.. what came before. You'd just want star wars to bend to your own selfish desires and agendas. Like idk, seeing a cool and flashy lightsaber battle between Vader and Obi-Wan. Not talking about YOU specifically, just in general. If disney can do this with respect to the past, then ok I guess, but uhm, pardon me if I highly doubt that...

It’s obvious that they prioritized fan service more than telling a compelling, original story. For example, I was excited to see the seismic bomb make its return in Mando Season 2, but I also knew that was a purely fan service move. When I saw them doing it again in BoB, I rolled my eyes.

Couldn’t agree more.

@@Hanakin-Sidewalker Yes! People defend the excessive fan service in Mando S2 by saying “well it didn’t disrespect characters like the ST, which I would agree with. But I couldn’t help but feel that it got in the way of actual story.

@@gbrow1604 The thing is, I loved Mando Season 2 and it’s fan service moments because it actually served the plot. Bo-Katan’s return? Mando was looking for other Mandalorian who could point him to the Jedi. Ahsoka’s return? She’s the Jedi in question. Boba Fett’s return? Legendary Star Wars figure and an appropriate addition to a show called “the Mandalorian.” There’s many more, but I think you catch my drift. In BoB, the fan service moments were just that: fan service. The most egregious example was the return of Cad Bane. He had absolutely zero connection with Boba except for one throwaway line. To anyone who hasn’t seen the Clone Wars, one would assume that Bane was just some random bounty Hunter hired by the Pikes who happened to have some beef with Boba back in the day. They brought back Cad Bane specifically so that Clone Wars fans would go “holy shit, it’s Cad Bane!!” It’s perfectly alright for you to not be a fan of the fan service in Mando season 2. I completely understand. It should be noted that there are instances where fan service is done right, and where it isn’t. BoB was the latter.

Matter of opinion as the seismic charge was used at the right scene.

@@EpicTrev7 That is my theory as well. I think their rematch or meeting might be under a very different context than the one presented in the video. Part of the reason Anakin fell to the dark side was because Palpatine promised him that he alone could save Padme from dying. Of course, that was a massive lie. But what would Vader do if he suddenly found out that his old master was learning to commune with the dead( Obi-Wan learning to communicate with Qui-Gon)? Could that possibly create a situation where Anakin temporarily resurfaces and actually trains with Obi-Wan for a bit, in order to try and contact Padme? Of course, eventually something would happen that ultimately burns that bridge forever and makes Obi-Wan believe he is irredeemable, as seen in the original trilogy.

It really wasn't fine how it was. Well to me it's not. Firstly where is the part where Obi-Wan feels Anakin is unredeemable and he feels like Vader is more machine then man now like the line says in episode 6. The way they reunite in 4 is so cold which seems out of character for both of them. Their fight in episode 4 should of been more emotion if that was their first time seeing each other since Revenge of the Sith. I always wanted to see them fight each other between 3 and 4 cause the lines in the OT just don't match with what we saw in the PT. Theres no way in the span of one fight Kenobi just feels Anakin is pure evil. Something like that train of thought takes another duel. I can't imagine Kenobi not even trying to convince Vader to turn back to the light if that was their second duel ever. I think it's good we see their first and last fights in the movies but it does make sense to me if they did fight again before A New Hope at least once.

Except for The Book of Boba Fett and the Mandalorian Season 3, episodes 1 and 2. Lol. They nailed those two episodes, other than that, The Book of Boba Fett was a complete dumpster fire. Way to destroy another OT character, Disney, Jon and Dave!!

Except they didn't have any respect for Boba Fett and instead of writing the character they made him into someone else.

@@RaverElite1 Yeah for whatever reason they just wanted to reform a bad guy rather than just let him be who is he. It's one thing to give him some kind of debt honor like on his return last year. That's OK but to out and out want to make him a total good guy who is against crime? As soon as I heard the trailer line "I want to rule with respect not fear" I was in fear of the series completely screwing up and that is what they did.

Yeah no shit sherlock

he says "when I LEFT you, i was but a learner" which is open to interpretation. he never explicitly said "I haven't seen you since that lava planet"

"When I left you, I was a learner. Now, I am the master." Contextually, it is most likely RotS isn't the last time they met. I don't yet see how it cheapens the fight between them in RotS. "You can't win, Darth. If you strike me down in anger, I will become more powerful than you can imagine."

@@wookietalks385 it actually makes more sense ROTS was the last time they met. He was a “leaner” compare to being master to the Jedi and Obi Wan at the time.

@@Astro_Mickey he was a learner for a long time under Darth Sidious.

@@TheRojam12 a fair assessment but at a certain point I’d rather they just not touch the OT considering how they couldn’t get Han right in Solo, Luke in TLJ, and Boba in “his show”. I don’t trust them to write anymore because Luke in Boba’s show isn’t even consistent yet. He went to save his friends from Vader can Empire strikes back even though classic prequel era Jedi are not supposed to have attachments and he tried relentlessly to save his father from the dark side so it seems really weird that he would make baby Yoda make that choice. They forget that there is 25 years from The Book of Boba Fett and The Mandalorian to the sequel trilogy. In 25 years Luke can slowly turn into that kind of Jedi but I don’t believe he would’ve changed drastically in only five years. Plus I’m really not excited for it considering Kathleen Kennedy herself said that the fight is going to be exciting and she has a track record of being wrong in my eyes. If you read this far you’re cool if not then I understand. Also I know what I’ve typed out sounds like I’m having a screeching match with myself but i’m just passionate and I type long.

ObiWan is nothing without Vader/Anakin. Their stories are intertwined. And ObiWan show without Anakin just wouldn't be right.

I loathed that because it essentially meant that Kylo had no reason to even hunt her down, he just needed to really focus and he could stab her in the back. Vice versa as well. It’s a cool concept, but you have to wonder why this wasn’t done before, how it ruins stakes, and how many deaths look stupid now in retrospect.

Because "it looked really cool on screen" is not reason enough for a concept to exist. That is what got us into this mess in the first place.

No just once. Sith kenobi series then hope.

Well in 1983 Leia had strong memories of her mother and that apparently didn't matter in 05.

He was also determined to get Luke to kill Vader, as he believed him to be the Chosen One. When Luke learns the truth about Vader and says he won’t kill his own father, Obi Wan says “Then the Emperor has already won.” I don’t think he knew that Luke was ever going to successfully bring Anakin back to the light. I agree that the show should be about Kenobi feeling guilty about his failures and attempting to redeem Anakin, only to come to the conclusion that he’s too far gone and return to isolation.

That’s a good point

@@ridensroom6957 Yeah the prequels made things weird. Scratch that episode 6 made things weird ever since they decided to make Leia Lukes twin sister. Like really lol.

@@ridensroom6957 Eh, she had force dreams of Padmé, no biggie 😉

Ohhhh, you may have hit the nail on the head. We were all wondering why fuel was suddenly a plot point in TLJ, and then Solo came out after to explain/justify the whole "hyperfuel" thing. I can very well see them (unfortunately) using the projection thing here to set a "retroactive precedent" to legitimize the ridiculous events in the sequels.