Kent Electric Bus (Volvo 7900e & OppCharge)

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In spring 2018 a Volvo 7900e battery electric bus was demonstrated on Line A of the Kent Fastrack BRT system.
The bus travelled between the town of Dartford and the Bluewater shopping centre., with each journey stopping off at Greenhithe railway station where the bus had its batteries topped-up using the OppCharge 'opportunity charging' fast charge battery charging system.
Filmed on two visits - with different weather conditions!
More information about OppCharge can be found here:
www.oppcharge.org
Opportunity charging is the term for buses (and maybe in the future other road vehicles too) topping up their onboard stored energy when the opportunity arises. Typically this will be done at the route terminus but on some systems there are additional top-ups at bus stops. Where several bus stops have the required equipment the top-up might even be discretionary, depending on whether the bus really needs it - or not. This already is the situation on a technology demonstration system in Germany where rigid buses need fewer battery top-ups than the articulated buses.
Usually battery buses will receive a full re-charge overnight when they are connected to a charger which also balances the battery cells, this being an action that ensures maximum life of the battery pack.
Mostly buses use batteries for their onboard energy storage but especially in China there are some cities where they use capacitors (of one type or another). The advantage is that capacitors will last the lifetime of the bus (batteries can expect to need replacing after a decade). The disadvantage is that capacitors have a lower energy density, which means that weight for weight
they store less energy, which translates as the bus being able to travel a shorter distance before its onboard energy storage needs topping-up.
In China what are known as 'double electric' buses use batteries for distance energy storage and capacitors for regenerative braking.This is done because capacitors are better able to accept regenerative braking energy than batteries.
The reason why opportunity charging was invented is that to avoid exceeding legally mandated axle weight limits it is not possible for two axle large buses to both carry a full complement of passengers and store enough energy for a full day's duties. Batteries are very heavy plus, as has been found on London's half dozen BYD battery buses, the space required for the batteries reduces the space available for passengers.
Music: On The Cool Side by Kevin MacLeod
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@CopenhagenRailProductions
@CopenhagenRailProductions 6 жыл бұрын
We got a similar looking bus in Copenhagen. On Bus line 3A. Two electric buses are currently running as a test for future buses. They make a good ride on a bumpy road! :D
@JayJay-nc7pr
@JayJay-nc7pr 6 жыл бұрын
I guess this is the closest we'll ever get to seeing a trolleybus revival! Wouldn't it be a twist of fate if these ended up displaces all diesel buses, the very vehicles that saw off the 1st generation f trolleybuses in this country. 😊
@MarceloBenoit-trenes
@MarceloBenoit-trenes 6 жыл бұрын
Jay Jay Trolleybuses are better than those buses... cheaper, reliable, fastest and not so heavy.
@jamesshanks2614
@jamesshanks2614 6 жыл бұрын
And don't forget an unending supply of power and heat. Still got trackless trolleys in Cambridge, Massachusetts due to the Harvard square subway and having to use a left hand door. Diesel buses only have doors on the right side. And at this time most of the buses now run on CNG ( compressed natural gas ) Now every bus garage has been equipped with a CNG storage tanks filling station and compressor's to take natural gas from its vapor state and compress it to a liquid state to be pumped into a buses storage tanks on the roof of the bus. I prefer Trackless Trolleys. One reason the MTA serving Boston got rid of trackless trolleys as they performed poorly in winter snow and ice. When I was riding a trackless trolley in Somervile, Massachusetts it couldn't climb winter hill. I quickly discovered why. The old MTA to save money was buying slicks for the rear axle on trackless trolleys which was solid tire's with no tread at all. Worked fine except in below zero winter weather. Regular threaded tire's cost more money so to save money they used recaps with no tread at all. Soon as the snow and ice melted they were fine again but in a storm they weren't going anywhere fast. When they converted to diesel buses from trackless trolleys there operating cost more than tripled because electricity is so inexpensive. I've sat on trackless trolleys in a major northeaster snow storm reading a book nice and warm and also been on a diesel bus that got cold with no heat within 10 minutes after it stopped moving. Detroit Diesels were notorious for running cold due to needing the thermostat changed. Electric heat is quiet and comfortable. Dayton, Ohio has been using trackless trolleys since the early 1920's and continues to use them today in 2018.
6 жыл бұрын
Loads of gas powered buses in Sydney NSW.
@v6200man
@v6200man 6 жыл бұрын
Still the trolleybus for me - infrastructure 'n' all !
@stevethomas363
@stevethomas363 6 жыл бұрын
This looks great hope we get these on fast track but it's rattly
@fireballxl5768
@fireballxl5768 5 жыл бұрын
Good idea the Bus does not need such a big battery if it can keep topping up.
@DanTheCaptain
@DanTheCaptain 6 жыл бұрын
This bus sounds really cool. I guess this is kind of like a "pantographless trolleybus" if you will.
@jaydenfansadventures2075
@jaydenfansadventures2075 3 жыл бұрын
I like the green bus the paint body a face and it looks fierce
@oforid2227
@oforid2227 6 жыл бұрын
Oh nice it's that electric version of route 7 at Heathrow to Slough but in Kent and my uncle and his wife go to blue water
@bundesautobahn7
@bundesautobahn7 6 жыл бұрын
They have the same bus (but they're older generation, they're Volvo 7900 PHEV) running in Hamburg, Germany. They were delivered in 2014 and have unit numbers 1491 through 1493, operated by Hamburger Hochbahn AG. Search for them on line 109 between Hauptbahnhof/ZOB and U Alsterdorf. They had to rebuild both stations to build the charging station.
@thegrowl2210
@thegrowl2210 6 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't mind a couple of these around London along with BYD MMCs, and maybe Streetairs if they succeed.
@owenchuarbx
@owenchuarbx 6 жыл бұрын
We'll have a 7900 soon in Singapore
@YaoboyProd2K15
@YaoboyProd2K15 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, 2 units will likely be tested at NTU.
@tomjohnson9730
@tomjohnson9730 6 жыл бұрын
I like the concept. However, we need to know: (a) How far can they travel on one charge? (b) How long does it take to charge up?
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 6 жыл бұрын
A lot depends on the capacity of the power storage medium - batteries come in different ratings which mean that the range per charge and charge durations can vary. 7-10 km of wire free travel seems to be the average.
@kristinajendesen7111
@kristinajendesen7111 6 жыл бұрын
As an ex bus driver, I bet these are nice to drive too. I'm going to suggest to our council (Bournemouth), that they petition Yellow Buses to invest in this technology. Bournemouth, despite being by the sea, is known for poor air quality at times.
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 6 жыл бұрын
Bournemouth also used to have a trolleybus system. This was the only British location where I travelled on a trolleybus in normal daily service, I was a young boy and when I learnt that we (as a family group) were going to catch a bus I made a fuss because I wanted to travel on a bus which had two arms on its roof!
@YaoboyProd2K15
@YaoboyProd2K15 4 жыл бұрын
It's the same bus being tested in Singapore as an autonomous bus trial by SMRT and NTU.
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 4 жыл бұрын
These buses are used in many places
@sonicboy678
@sonicboy678 6 жыл бұрын
I hope the range on this bus is better than what Volvo has in North America (Nova LFSe, with a range of 25 miles/40 kilometers, well behind the competition).
@LS-oh6po
@LS-oh6po 3 жыл бұрын
Could you clarify. For OppCahrge we use wifi router to send all stack according iso 15118. Does CP contact use for transfer IEC 61851-23 ? Why we do not utilize HV wires to transfer PLC messages as in normal pantographs or CCS?
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 3 жыл бұрын
This film was made several years ago and advancing technology will means that the situation is constantly changing. This film is best for seeing OppCharge in action - not for detailed technical information.
@alfiewhittaker3763
@alfiewhittaker3763 6 жыл бұрын
currently in bedford we have a bus from gt yarmouth
@alfiewhittaker3763
@alfiewhittaker3763 6 жыл бұрын
yup
@elvinbertcorvera1884
@elvinbertcorvera1884 4 жыл бұрын
How long was the charge time though?
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 4 жыл бұрын
perhaps 5-10 minutes - sorry but I did not time it
@HMSDaring1
@HMSDaring1 6 жыл бұрын
what about induction charging at the terminus points? the bus stands? I feel that'd be less prone to failure and vandalism
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 6 жыл бұрын
I do not know the full facts but I've heard people speak badly about induction - both the route 69 induction trial in London and trials in Holland. The problems in London could just be that the bus people are pro-diesel and anti-electric, and having seen off the trams and trolleybuses they do not want electric to come back via another route.
@sonicboy678
@sonicboy678 6 жыл бұрын
Assuming that's true, it's worth a facepalm. Diesel buses are noisy, create notable air pollution, have difficulty with slopes, have low fuel efficiency, and require more frequent maintenance. (Yes, I'm aware that some engines are not as loud as others, and I know about the improvements in fuel efficiency and air pollution.) Shifting to electric buses is a change to sustainability, something far more important than the sound of one's favorite powertrain.
@Alex-qu3uu
@Alex-qu3uu 6 жыл бұрын
Woah! The color and the bus type is the same as the electric buses in Gothenburg.
6 жыл бұрын
Goteborg is Volvo's HQ.
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 6 жыл бұрын
Thats where this system was first trialled. Plus older systems which predate OppCharge.
@roboftherock
@roboftherock 6 жыл бұрын
I noticed that this vehicle produced as much vibration noise as its diesel counterparts when travelling over badly maintained roads. That also occurred on the trolleybuses that ran in both Glasgow and Belfast, so until we get really good surfaced roads, we will still have to put up with noisy interiors.
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 6 жыл бұрын
In the future we will have mag-levs. This will give us much smoother rides! First however we need to learn how to manipulate magnetism to control gravity.
@jaydenfansadventures2075
@jaydenfansadventures2075 3 жыл бұрын
Now Singapore have lots of electrical bus do you know that
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for telling me this. I would like to return to Singapore, but it will not be possible until the virus problem has finished.
@jaydenfansadventures2075
@jaydenfansadventures2075 3 жыл бұрын
@@CitytransportInfoplus , yeah
@fauzirahman3285
@fauzirahman3285 5 жыл бұрын
How many charging stations are there along the way? Or are these only charged at the depot?
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 5 жыл бұрын
What is seen in this film was a temporary trial in spring 2018 and at present everything has been taken away for use eleswhere.. However... it might be that this technology is used in the future - as yet this remains to be seen.
@Steven_Rowe
@Steven_Rowe 6 жыл бұрын
Are they really zero emmision and clean. It all depends on where the electricity is generated. Is the future battey powered buses??? Yes trolleybuses had issues but batteries have a life span, are expensive and need to be disposed off, recyvcled what ever.
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 6 жыл бұрын
I agree.
@CMatomic
@CMatomic 5 жыл бұрын
much cleaner than fossil fuel transport
@TransportWithDee
@TransportWithDee 6 жыл бұрын
Ex Manchester
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, although I did not get to see it there.
@Steven_Rowe
@Steven_Rowe 6 жыл бұрын
Back in the old day we had trams they converted them to trolleybuses as they were more flexible. Then they went probably due to the oil companies. Now itx the green 21st century. So now we want battery buses which use expensive batteries and as we know, batteries wear out. We dont want trolley buses, yet at the same time putting in trams is mow the thing to do. Well trams must be much more costly than trolleybuses and i wonder why things are done. Who makes he decisions and on what basis. Is it all about doing what others do, or what is trendy. The city of Wellington in NZ had trolleybuses till 2017. They were silent and didnt polute yet they are gone. Some will say they were expensive and i wonder if this is the case the. why eceryone seems to want light rail which is more expensive.. I wonder do people who make these executive decisions actually know what they are doing and why. I honestly feel they dont know the difference between shit and clay
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 6 жыл бұрын
I very much agree with your closing comment! I think its all about overhead wires, which is the wrong way to look at things as overhead wires reduce urban air pollution so save lives. Batteries are potential fire hazards - especially Lithium - Ion batteries.
@trainspotting_and_tech2023
@trainspotting_and_tech2023 4 жыл бұрын
@@CitytransportInfoplus batteries are eco and green/clean?!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 PEOPLE ARE SOOOOOOO STUPID.
@gordon1376
@gordon1376 4 жыл бұрын
I don't subscribe to channels without voice overs
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 3 жыл бұрын
I did not realise that there are other channels which only use on-screen text I decided to not do voice overs because I often make the films at night and do not want to disturb people who are asleep Also, its easier for people for whom English is their second language and it solved the issue of regional accents
@gordon1376
@gordon1376 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your reply much appreciated. I am dyslexic so find following text on screen a bit difficult but I do understand the problems you have trying not to disturb other people. I don't think regional are an issue anymore. If you can manage a voice-over would be welcome.
@Jason_Bourne_41571
@Jason_Bourne_41571 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry to bother. Can you authorize me to reprint your video to a Chinese video website? I will write the link address of the your original video. I am also a fan of public transport.
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 5 жыл бұрын
Hello, thank you for asking. Yes, please do share my film in China.
@Jason_Bourne_41571
@Jason_Bourne_41571 5 жыл бұрын
@@CitytransportInfoplus Thank You!
@dvidclapperton
@dvidclapperton 6 жыл бұрын
Those seats look very uncomfortable.
@CMatomic
@CMatomic 5 жыл бұрын
it's not on a short trip, by the comment you must be from the united states .
@kristinajendesen7111
@kristinajendesen7111 6 жыл бұрын
Wonderful! Had to turn the volume right down to zero though every time that awful music came on. Our 'orrible diesel buses sound better than that music and I hate the way they sound. Can't beat an old Bristol R.E. or something similar.
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 6 жыл бұрын
Electric is the future... eventually people will not want to be near anything diesel - because of the harmful waste gases. In the longer term I think that buses and trams will be replaced by mag-lev technology. First however we need to learn how to control magnetics in a way which negates gravity. This will also end issues related to PM10 etc pollutants from rubber tyre scrub.
@trainspotting_and_tech2023
@trainspotting_and_tech2023 4 жыл бұрын
I cannot believe that o lot of people (Even experts!🤦‍♂️) are convinced that batteries are the future and they are green!!!... 🤦‍♂️
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 4 жыл бұрын
Some battery types do not use harmful chemicals, they also pose less of a fire hazard, but capacitors are even better because they last the lifetime of the bus. However their energy density is much lower - which means that the bus would need an energy boost much more frequently.
@trainspotting_and_tech2023
@trainspotting_and_tech2023 4 жыл бұрын
@@CitytransportInfoplus Best electric buses are trolleybuses and Fuel-Cell! I think!🤔
@richardgoode5657
@richardgoode5657 6 жыл бұрын
A country adding a non carbon sector into a network of travel as a company to have transport as public then a bus company British in created to invent a electric system for a county.
@joachimscholz7098
@joachimscholz7098 5 жыл бұрын
These roof charging system are very stupid, need to much new infrastructure, watch for market leader, the made it with out this charger, only once loading on night time in the terminal.
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 5 жыл бұрын
an ever increasing number of towns and cities are using overhead charging systems - there are actually several different versions which were created by different companies.
@Virre737
@Virre737 4 жыл бұрын
Depot night charging is not the future
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