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@ReefBuildersVideo3 жыл бұрын
Here's the full article summarizing our thoughts and some of the PAR values of each type of light. reefbuilders.com/2021/08/30/kessil-ap9x-vs-neptune-sky-comparing-spot-and-a-flat-lighting-on-the-euphyllia-reef/
@spicyreef3 жыл бұрын
do you have a link to the new channel somewhere?
@ReefBuildersVideo3 жыл бұрын
@@spicyreef kzfaq.info
@spicyreef3 жыл бұрын
@@ReefBuildersVideo Thanks, I'm internet challenged :-)
@eillyacostandinides33443 жыл бұрын
Man loving these types of video of comparison. Makes more sence than when talking about one product especially when trying to buy an item. Comparison gives you a baseline and then a person can decide on what best suits his tank
@terencefugazzi51643 жыл бұрын
Very fair comparison video. The shadowing is definitely where things change between these two as tanks grow out. Outside of that, it really will be a decision of viewer taste. Thanks!
@stevenpavan3273 жыл бұрын
It's all about that shimmer baby!
@truereefkeeping60223 жыл бұрын
I use the kessil Ap9x on my 90 gallon mixed reef with sps and they are thriving, it’s the best light I have ever purchased and I will never go to any other brand now because of it, I’m sure the Neptune sky is a good light but I’m not willing to experiment on my tank with a company that made their first aquarium light, I am a huge advocate for Neptune products and use basically everything made by them, but I just think the light is a bad idea, it’s not all about PAR, my first light “black box” had 900 par and it was nothing but a disaster, I had the light set to as low as it goes and my corals were just turning into mulch, I think kessil has the perfect balance between par and spectrum but obviously that’s just my opinion and I have not tried a Neptune sky myself so I cannot say for sure if it is good or not
@Exses3D3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jake! The music killed it as always! 😎🤙
@johnkidd39753 жыл бұрын
Ah! read the story today, so glad there is a video Jake!
@johnkidd39753 жыл бұрын
I have a AP9x over each of my reef ready 48*24*16 frag tanks. They are on the ap9x mounting arm which is quite high up maybe 17 inches above the water. From your findings I almost sounds like I could increase the lighting and not worry about bleaching the coral. I have them currently running in the default tuna blue setting. Frags/coral in the system are a mixture of all types. Still new and seeing what grows. I went with the ap9x for the look of the light and how the tank looks. The other option was Radion and I did not they they looked as clean an install and would require two lights where one ap9x should be satisfactory.
@Newt2112 жыл бұрын
You said you have 1 AP9X over a 48x24x16? I just bought that exact size tank and am getting it delivered on Monday. I was thinking about getting the AP9X, but thought I would need two for that tank? So to confirm you are doing great with just one?
@robertdusendang494711 ай бұрын
@@Newt211i know it’s a late text but one light would be fine for lps but i have a 36x24 frag tank and i do have one kessil AP9x on it and notice if i wanted to be more SPS end than i would need 2
@ArrickthaRed3 жыл бұрын
Doing the best of both for my new 225 gallon. Have 3 Kessil a360x for that shimmer. I just can't give up that shimmer being an old MH guy. Have 2 Sky's to help with some of the shadowing. I want to grow big colonies and when you get to a certain point with Kessils it becomes a problem unless you buy more of them. Great video.
@SH-wz3jo3 жыл бұрын
I have 2 Kessil 500s and plan to run 2 or 4 Reef Brite XHO strips to increase par and spread when needed.
@hurricaneaquatics2 жыл бұрын
@@SH-wz3jo you're going to be frying some coral. The Kessil A500X is very powerful and especially so if you use the 55 degree lens. I have one and a PAR meter. They are very powerful.
@SH-wz3jo2 жыл бұрын
@@hurricaneaquatics Thanks for your reply, my tank is 30" tall and wide. So I'm believing that I should be okay with the installed normal lens. I will find a way to get PAR measurements long before there are corals in the mix.
@invaderjoshua62802 жыл бұрын
Hands down the Kessil wins in shimmer and presentation. Night and day. The depth of the shadows and the shimmer just make it look more alive and clear.
@kingfisher79609 ай бұрын
I think the Neptune looks better. Ive never seen light like the kessill in nature. The Neptune looks more authentic to me. The kessill is too blue. Looks like a millenial nightclub. I would be mixing the tuna blue and tuna sun for a full spectrum to get rid of that blue.
@somethinsaltybruin3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I think we can agree at this point… that most LEDs lights (even the generic black boxes) will grow corals… after that you’re just paying for convenience like programming and color tuning. Nothing more nothing less … I’m like you, if my lights (viparspectras) are working, it’s tough for me to want to change it out. I just set it and forget it anyways. 😉
@ReefBuildersVideo3 жыл бұрын
That's mostly true, but Black Boxes look great on day one and quickly lose intensity over one to three years - they certainly won't live up to the 8-10 years we see people running Sols, Hydras, Radions, & Kessils
@Mike__B3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video! So here's some of my thoughts 1. I seem to recall Kessil's always ran low on the PAR side, everything from A360 or A80, some part of me is wondering how much that really matters 2. That is a really sharp transition it seems with the Sky, doubling in intensity over maybe 6 inches? I could imagine some acropora just getting some serious burnt tips as it grows vertically in that... or maybe that's why you get these fancy designer acros with the different colored tips? 3. How much power was each light running at with those values? I know you said apples to oranges comparison, but would be curious to see how far away they really are 4. An interesting bit would be to lower the intensity of the Sky until it had roughly the same PAR in the middle of the tank as the Kessil and then see how the PAR compares to the Kessil at the other locations, that may give you a closer view to how different of a light it is. 5. I do like that T5 like flat look of the Sky better, especially compared to that of the Kessil, which I'm not sure if the water is just churning on the surface quite a bit or if it's a camera artifact, but the Kessil seemed to be created a headache inducing amount of "shimmer" 6. Absolutely loved the disassembly/tear down on the RB site, it was definitely interesting to see the guts of it.
@ronniekregar34822 жыл бұрын
I love Kessills. The only problem I have is that I don't like their bracket arms. And they should make a white color like A.I so we can match our white stands. Love my Hydra for that reason, but really miss that shimmer.
@paulmeneely3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Jake. Another interesting and informative video.
@nhall001953 жыл бұрын
Beautiful tanks and editing
@andreymironenko2 жыл бұрын
Hey Jake, thanks for the video, it's still useful now as more folks are considering getting a SKY on sales. But for the sake of scientific correctness I must say it: using the word "micromole" meaning PAR is like measuring speed in meters - incorrect. Either the real unit "micromoles per square meter per second" should be used, or just stick with "PAR". "micromole" alone doesn't make sense :)
@foldupaudi7645 Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@Sniper-No-Sniping3 жыл бұрын
Did you measure the Kessils PAR at the same mounting height as the SKY? Could that be why there's a difference in the two? If you look at the beginng of the AP9X test it's significant taller than the Radion to the right of it (which is what the SKY was matching)
@cad-ik9ff3 жыл бұрын
Looks like the Kessil was mounted a good 6 inches higher.
@SH-wz3jo3 жыл бұрын
I prefer the look of a reef in my reef tank, no shimmer, no dice.
@amadogonzalez44553 жыл бұрын
At what height was the kessil ran. That light is suppose to be setup at 8” off the water. In your test it look like the light was at 15” or more off the tank. You would get higher par from the kessil if you just move it down. I would have like you to use the kessil A500 light and compare it to the sky. Since it’s a stronger light.
@ReefBuildersVideo3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes you're right, good point; mileage will certainly vary based on height, but if I lowered the AP9x the distribution would be proportionally reduced
@amadogonzalez44553 жыл бұрын
@@ReefBuildersVideo You got a higher par value. When you originally tested the AP9x. I believe it’s the same tank. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eLWqiM2UmtTRYnk.html
@blasterman7893 жыл бұрын
Here we see problems with various LED tech. Kessel's matrix LEDs have great shimmer but their LED efficacy is terrible. The Neptune on the other hand uses off the shelf LEDs, likely Cree 2/3 watt for the 450nm blue channel or similiar that does most of the heavy lifting. This is mature LED technology and is near peak energy efficiency. Kessels also lack sufficient warm Spectrum to dial in more natural colors. Again, limited by their matrix tech.
@Mr_Tequila_Travels3 жыл бұрын
Looking at the before and after video, think I liked the kessil shimmery look much better… the sky look looks like T5…
@kingfisher79609 ай бұрын
I like how those clowns keep an eye on your poker just in case they need to defend....
@azhunter4002 жыл бұрын
The cat was totally tripping me out
@dklyttle17 ай бұрын
Good to talk
@eattix2 жыл бұрын
I really miss the shimmer.
@SpiegNet3 жыл бұрын
Just to try and compare apples to apples, can you share a spectrum graph of each light at the "arbitrary" color mix you selected?
@ReefBuildersVideo3 жыл бұрын
What you're requesting is not practical even with an expensive spectrometer but that's what I approximated with the different color modes of each light
@hurricaneaquatics3 жыл бұрын
BRS ran a spectrum of the Neptune, it really lacks in the UV and bottom end of blue and it is a shorter spectrum than the Kessil. After a decade of using almost every LED they have made, UV and that entire lower end of the spectrum is super important for coral growth and color.
@ross23983 жыл бұрын
@@hurricaneaquatics Ehhh more so for color, you can grow tons of coral with 5000k-6500k bulbs. Not much specific UV spectrum targeting, and the corals are dull as heck. But they do indeed grow corals like mad.
@telegraham3 жыл бұрын
Happy to share spectrums if I happen upon a 9X, B.
@myexoticanimaljourney56193 жыл бұрын
Ati straton vs neptune sky? 🤔
@hurricaneaquatics2 жыл бұрын
There wouldn't be any comparison. The ATI Straton is MUCH better on build quality, spectrum, LED choice, etc. Also the Straton uses no fan. The Sky spectrum is extremely thin.
@Elev8minh2 жыл бұрын
@ReefBuilders Hi Jake I have a 6 foot Peninsula tank, and have 4 Ecotech radionG5 Pros that i purchased that are sitting brand new in the box but saw the AP9X and really like the shimmer look. If I was to swap the G5 pros out for the AP9X’s how many AP9X’s would you recommend using? Would 2 be enough or would 3 AP9X’s for SPS dominated tank be recommended? my tank dimension at 72.3"×25.3"×23.6" Thank you in advance. 🙏🏻
@ReefBuildersVideo2 жыл бұрын
Two for LPS and 3 for mixed reef across the whole tank
@the.humble.reefer72303 жыл бұрын
I think BRS needs to rip the sky apart and compare it to all of the black boxes. From what I've seen it's using the thin license plate panel just like the black boxes they kinda pushed as cheap quality.
@blasterman7893 жыл бұрын
You don't need to tear it apart. Just weigh it. Radions arent any better than black boxes using a thin MCPCB board. At 100watts you need pretty massive heatsinks for passive cooling...literally street light size. Fans are much cheaper than aluminum.
@Oskey333 жыл бұрын
Did you buy the screen top or build it? If you built it, do you have a video or a list of materials you used? The screen spacing looks wider than normal.
@derekmilne87932 жыл бұрын
What were your app settings for the AP9X and what is your mounting height? I somehow didn’t catch either and don’t see them in the article either. Did you say you were using default tuna blue.
@OCNcheffy3 жыл бұрын
BRS tested the spectrum blending and it was near perfect. Just as good as the T5, so I don’t think the acrylic panel is a gimmick by any stretch.
@rob_ridge_reefin33733 жыл бұрын
Brs also fudged the spectrum graph
@ReefBuildersVideo3 жыл бұрын
I think the diffuser is doing most of the blending work
@telegraham3 жыл бұрын
That test is flawed, and favors fast PWM lights.
@brothergas12603 жыл бұрын
What type of pen/marker do u use to write on the glass?? Also, can it be used on acrylic? If not. ????
@Harolddespui3 жыл бұрын
If you want that even blanket of light, but with shimmer, isn't a Kessil&T5 combo (or Kessil&led strips) the ultimate? Btw, I would always go for 2 x A360X instead of an AP9X though for reasons you already walked into.
@chrissreef89783 жыл бұрын
Yes, that’s why i run a giesemann stellar t5 hybrid with hydra 26hd’s and a kessil a160 tuna blue ;)
@gzaiclark71272 жыл бұрын
What was there intensity of the Neptune sky? I have one and wanted to know for sps growth to get those levels
@przemekpietrzak26532 жыл бұрын
what settings does the lamp have in the foreground in the film from the first minute ??
@lunes-13 жыл бұрын
👍
@Jackwafc2 жыл бұрын
Hi.Do you no why my hammer coral head swelled up so much like size as a inch
@erikanderson72233 жыл бұрын
Is that a Sailfin Molly I see cruising around in that tank? Are you using it as a canary for health of fish in the system? Could be wrasse...
Anyone know what brand that tank he is using? It seems like a good starter size.
@one-armed-reefer51843 жыл бұрын
Tempted buy the sky when I’d the reach the uk lol great bud as always Jake. Quick question thou the Galaxian corals can you keep them close To others like hammers and frogspawns I have 3 just not shore on placement for them
@ReefBuildersVideo3 жыл бұрын
I keep them isolated towards the back and while they're not totally draping their tentacles over other corals, I keep torches closer and haven't seen any clear signs of aggression
@one-armed-reefer51843 жыл бұрын
@@ReefBuildersVideo thanks for that I’ll do the same then 👍🏼👍🏼
@jonnymbuna3 жыл бұрын
Really can't beat kessils shimmer
@ReefBuildersVideo3 жыл бұрын
The tank is dramatically not the same without it
@jarenstevens92183 жыл бұрын
agreed especially their freshwater lights
@scooterglass44973 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@tommycristaldi90373 жыл бұрын
Can you state the shimmer difference between the kessil and the Sky? I’m on the fence of the buying the sky but I’m worried it’s too flat of a light.
@terencefugazzi51643 жыл бұрын
I think you need to see both in person to establish a preference. There is a major difference as both lights sit at opposite ends of that "shimmer" world - SKY with subtle shimmer, and Kessil with made defined shimmer. Also, you need to have surface agitation to see shimmer, so in much of this video, there is no shimmer on either. If you have a low flow tank, and want shimmer, Kessil will be the way to go. If you have a lot of surface agitation, and you get Kessil, it might be too much for you. Go to a LFS and experience both - soon the SKY will be showing up over tanks in LFS all across the country.
@tommycristaldi90373 жыл бұрын
@@terencefugazzi5164 good idea thanks for your insight
@theishkid3 жыл бұрын
I was so worried about the shimmer when I got my sky because you can’t see it in videos. I wanted to try it out but thought I might have to send it back if it was flat. There is definitely shimmer. Not a ton… but definitely enough that it doesn’t feel flat. I have a small tank now but when I go larger in a year I’ll add another sky and maybe a cheap kessil to add a little more but for now I’m fine.
@tommycristaldi90373 жыл бұрын
@@theishkid good to know
@Conectadonz3 жыл бұрын
Hey mate! How about the A360x with a narrow reflector plus the AP700 diffusion? I am planing to do this combo over my Red Sea 250 with around half of LPs that you have… In resume single spot light with narrow diffuser…
@ReefBuildersVideo3 жыл бұрын
You can't go wrong with either of those light combinations
@tplummer2173 жыл бұрын
Where can i get those trumpet corals?
@JCrowe863 жыл бұрын
Thinking about trying out the hidden pump location. I have about the same size tank. What setting and % do you typically run this one at?
@ReefBuildersVideo3 жыл бұрын
pumps alternate at 100% back and forth most of the day with both coming on full blast for 30 minutes 4X per day
@jacobcudmore19633 жыл бұрын
Euphylia? I hardly know her!
@26Tackle.reviews3 жыл бұрын
is there much more pop/shimmer with the ecotech gen5 xr30 ?
@ReefBuildersVideo3 жыл бұрын
I would say the Gen Radion is firmly in between both of these lights in terms of appearance but you WOULD get much more mileage and flexibility using two XR15s for about the same price
@tomg54053 жыл бұрын
stronger , but kessil have shimmer and the coverage is much more even than the sky and I prefer the look much more from the kessil, sky is pur marketing...
@kennethallen69713 жыл бұрын
And people say you’re biased. This wasn’t biased one bit. I still wouldn’t spend $869 for that light though.
@ReefBuildersVideo3 жыл бұрын
I am totally biased . . . towards what will work best for my reef and which ones the corals enjoy the most ;-)
@glasscanvasart52733 жыл бұрын
I’m gonna ask for mark’s Instagram account again. I want to see his tank!
@glasscanvasart52733 жыл бұрын
Jake … I know you’re there!
@sessilepro-24262 жыл бұрын
We are aquarium light manufacturer in India, how i can send you light details. How you will support us to promote our light on your platform, your chanel
@Algaewarrior3 жыл бұрын
Does the seneye par meter factor in the same immersion equation as the mq-510?
@ReefBuildersVideo3 жыл бұрын
IDK but I highly doubt it
@Algaewarrior3 жыл бұрын
@@ReefBuildersVideothanks. yeah, I wasn't really expecting that much from a $200 par meter.
@telegraham3 жыл бұрын
Given the data presented in the following video, one can extrapolate that the Seneye is tuned for immersion effect. The MQ-210 is immersion adjusted, and at test points not requiring decent cosine correction, the Seneye is neck-and-neck with the MQ-210. No math required when using the Seneye. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bM6FntiXvajGY30.html
@telegraham3 жыл бұрын
@@Algaewarrior Check again.
@Algaewarrior3 жыл бұрын
@@telegraham thanks Jim! I should have known they had a video about it. That makes me more confident about my readings. #knowingishalfthebattle
@waterlover3 жыл бұрын
I don’t know if I could have no shimmer on my tank… it would drive me crazy not seeing the shimmer
@ReefBuildersVideo3 жыл бұрын
I knew that I really loved shimmer but seeing a tank without any is really jarring these days, I keep checking to see if the water is flowing
@waterlover3 жыл бұрын
@@ReefBuildersVideo it’s what I did when I got my very first led light back in the early led phase I had no shimmer and I was a Ushio 20k. It drove me nuts that I went back to my metals
@sessilepro-24262 жыл бұрын
Hi
@RodentRestaurant3 жыл бұрын
It’s not that accurate of a test to be more of a fair test you should of mounted the lights at the same height.
@RodentRestaurant3 жыл бұрын
It would make a lot better comparison of the par readings.
@amnahamin4923 жыл бұрын
😏😵🤩
@DailyDose2Inspire7 ай бұрын
I'm in the market for a new light for a new tank and of course, Jake comes through once again. What a devistating loss to the reefing community.