Totally agree. And I don't play fiddle, I play whistle and flute. Only time I've heard anyone one explain it this way.

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I've just about got it for the fiddle. It's all in the timing, and keeping the emphasis on, as you said, the note being rolled on. Get it right and it's magical. Get it just slightly wrong and it sound like your full fledged trill. One tip I can give you, it isn't entirely the speed at which the higher and lower notes are played. It's in the emphasis and the timing. It's possible to get it sounding right while playing it almost slowly. Good luck. I can't imagine what the effect will be on an electric guitar, but please let me know if you feel you have some success. Great idea.

@@zaledalen9931 I am working on a bunch of different ornaments having picked up the tin whistle late in life, so now I am trying to fit some of all that into my electric guitar playing. I completely get what you are saying about speed - I am working at it slowly. The issue with speed is in the nature of the guitar. It has frets. When you fret a note, you are very likely to get a full note. There is no bow - so there is precious little to do about the relative volume of notes. What I am trying to do is work on combinations of picked notes and legato ones, where I try to put a finger to the string, muting it a the last moment without fully fretting and then performing the pull-of. This results in a rather choppy feel which is hard to do without tensing up, and that's what makes it difficult to speed up. I can play the same thing as a trill at high speed with no problem, it's eliminating the notes that is difficult, because a bit like a piano, once you press down - a note comes out ... it's fun working at but however close I get I am a little doubtful that the percussive effect will ever be quite as pronounced ...

@@whynottalklikeapirat Well, it's an interesting thing to try for, and who knows what you might discover. There are so many things people do with guitars now that were not invented yet when I started playing. Things like tapping. I get what you mean about the frets and what they do to the notes. It's interesting that a lot of Scottish fiddle techniques come from trying to make the instrument sound like a bagpipe. I talked to a bagpipe player and he said that they can't make separate notes on the instrument, so they interrupt the note instead. Tapping the string with the third finger gets somewhat the same effect on the fiddle, but again it's a timing thing and I haven't got it yet.

@@zaledalen9931 Hehe - yeah I kinda left the tapping thing back in the early 90s, but almost considered going back to some of it to pull off some ornaments, but it's not for me anymore :D. It's interesting what you say about the bag-pipes I am under the impression that the tin whistle works about the same as the chanter on an uillean pipe - for the low whistles that are bigger I believe they even speak about a "pipers grip". But yeah - on the whistle it's like that you interrupt the air flow with "cuts" above the note and "taps" below and the above cut is usually not even in tune necessarily because you use either the 3rd or 6th hole. Apparently they have the best percussive effect when you make the cut. On the guitar I have to do it from a note thats musical because the not is likely ring out just a little. I came around to a violin video mostly because it's another stringed instrument and I wanted to see if there was something in that technique that might help me, but for this ornament it seems like it's that same approach only more natural to the violin. It was intesting what he said about rolling on the second of two similar notes ...

This is old but I love seeing a guitar player learning from this. You're smart to pick up great technique from other instruments!

Hi and thanks for the comment.. Kevin had nothing at all to do with this recording. I recorded it on my phone during a workshop he gave. Sorry about the sound quality. There wasn't much I could do about it. But I sure agree about Kevnin Burke. That was one wonderful workshop. If you want a professional recording of the same thing, check out Fiddlevideo.com

It sounds fine at my end.

@@zaledalen9931 It's good enough for purpose - nobody should expect it to be the National Concert Hall. Thanks for posting!

Thank you for sharing your wisdom of Irish rolls!!!!!