16:54 I swear max was being held at gunpoint

"spirit of the game" is this twingalaxies 😭

Oh! I expected this video to be more about specific inputs/tricks in smb, but it focused more on the literal hardware and irl factors. To go into the tangible, in game differences, I think fast accel inputs or L+R neutral abuse (or L+D+R) are the most relevant topics imo. I think at the end of the day, nothing has been overcentralized to keyboard and if anything people switch in the other direction more often, so 🤷‍♂️

As a keyboard/emu player myself, I hope this video will clear up a lot of misconceptions. Thanks iBall!

as someone who has a 4:54 SoB with a freaking Guitar Hero guitar, I feel like most controllers are about the same, it's really just about practice

I grew up in the early 80’s with original hardware .Im an old school purist. I think the most authentic and correct way to play is original everything. However considering the movement away from original hardware as it ages and gets harder to use on modern displays, I think keeping properly calibrated hardware/emulation allows for everyone to play and try. So all approximately equal input methods and game play methods should be allowed. All things being equal it’s about game output not game input. It’s the record that matters.

"you're just gonna have to cry about it" had me in tears 😂

Wonderful editing, keep it up, your channel really deserves more visibility :)

D-pad BS is exactly why I always use controllers with separated D-pad buttons. Not like Playstation, that's still a single button. But like the Razor Wildcat. I cannot stand D-pad BS and I'll do anything I can to avoid it.

TABS VS. SPACES: Developer's Biggest Debate

How has this video only received 5.2k views in 7 months??

That's unrelated, but good jobs tonight. You're gonna be a contender in CWTC.

"you're just going to have to cry about it" right? there are those who just aren't satisfied and just want to argue just for the sake of arguing. kinda sad really

Bro really finished the video with a "cry about it" 😭😭😭

A similar debate can be made about Mouse vs Touchscreen gameplay.

Brilliant video!!

14:30 hey that's me

2:09 For anyone wondering, that sound is from the start of the song “Infertehno 2”.

I first played this game on a keyboard, on the Macintosh that it was ported to and released for, when I was a young child. So, if you have a problem with that, you can cry me a river.

So this isn't making sense to me because Tetris was made for controller obviously, but other console only game have gotten pc ports that use keyboard. Basically what I'm saying is tetrio was made for keyboard Tetris effect on PC is played using controller, so the fact that this debate even exists is dumb lmao.

Very good video!

Marble blast ultra players (like me) tend to prefer keyboard, even though it's not even available for the original game. We just decompiled the game and added keyboard support because so many of us hate controller. Also keyboard is faster in every way in mbu, as pressing wa or wd moves you 1.4x faster

Hey, loved the video! I wasn't expecting it so soon after you replied to me on Niftski's video. I'm so used to people not delivering, but this video was everything I wanted. Deserves so many more views. I still do have my preference towards wanting original hardware like you said but this really helped with the perspective of how the top players feel about it and why keyboard is largely considered not conclusively advantageous or different enough to be considered a problem. Also appreciate the inclusion of my comment there without dogging me for my tl;dr novel haha.

great video

So that's why one framers are almost impossible on my keyboard

as someone who played on an xbox controller on emu (with analog stick!) i can confirm that that is by far the best way to play the game

this deserves so much more views, I thought u had like a million subs, XD

I don't really mind if he plays on console or not, as long as it is a (verified) WR, then its a WR lol.

remember the first WR on keyboard was Saradoc back in 2014 (4m 57s 693ms!)

I never realized the game was released on Friday the 13th

The controller thing has always been an issue. I have three controllers. (One Dogbone and two NES Controllers) The dogbone is my personal favourite but its not perfect. The D pad can be clunky on a good day and borderline unusable on a bad day. One of my NES controllers are fine but the B button seems to have a mind of its own and only seems to work when it feels like it. And the other one isn't even usable. I used to have a Famicom a few years back, the controllers on that where absolutely superb. Crazy considering the contacts where never changed ever. Honestly getting a good NES controller is a nightmare.

As someone who plays on emulator with a usb controller I feel lonely.

they're both digital input. its just down to personal preference. anyone who's annoyed because of keyboard users having any kind of percieved advantage are welcome to play on a keyboard.

yo wait are you participating in ctm this month? i love seeing the crossover from smb1 to classic tetris lol

This video is something that should've been done a LONG TIME AGO. I have absolutely nothing against Niftski, he's awesome on both Keyboard and Original Controller. There're some great points about availability of original hardware and it's cost and the quality of that original hardware that is almost 40 years old. And it all comes to a personal preference. I do prefer emulators... as I'm just broke to get myself a real console. But I agree with the fact that playing on original hardware in an authentic way to experience the game. PS. Those who were saying that Keyboard wasn't a thing on NES... REALLY? Never heard of BASIC Keyboards? PPS. I'm pretty sure there is a way to use a USB keyboard on a original console via converter... And that would be mind-blowing for those who are has something against keyboards.

I agree with everything in this video. Also, at 4:09, what? Isn’t that impossible in original hardware?

i still think power glove better but fine

While I am not a big fan of runner´s using keyboard, as long as no impossible inputs can be made (e. g. pressing left and right dpad at the same time), it is fine for me. Of course macros and turbo buttons should not be used generally, although there are probably some exceptions where this also makes sense. Obviously it´s much more accessible to use an emulator and recording can be done with open source and free2use software... although capturing consoles isn´t expensive at all if you don´t want the perfect quality.

is this video about mario or spongebob? asking for a friend

I have a question, in your video you talked about pressing left + right, and how in emulators you can disable it and it will register nothing, you even say that the fact that register nothing is a disadvantage. But is that true? The type of game I play the most is Fighting games, why is this information relevant? Because in the fighting game community there is a lot of controversy about the hitbox controller (which is basically a glorified keyboard) and how it gives players an advantage because you can press left + right and will register nothing. for example, hitbox players are known for having incredibly fast dash inputs, in a fighting game to do a dash you have to press forward twice, but in hitbox and keyboards you can simply press forward once and flick backwards for a frame and the dash will come out. This happens because you press forward, the flick resets the input, so you press nothing, and after the flick the forwards input is registered again. the game reads this input as "Forward, neutral, forward", even though you only had to press forwards once. this also makes a lot of direction based special moves easier. I know Mario Bros has a lot of difficult tricks where you have to press combinations of directions incredibly quickly, change directions and even press a direction, release for 1 frame and press it again, do you think this mechanic i explained (which is not available for controller players) can be used in speedruns somehow? maybe they are already being used? Or maybe its useless for the context of this specific game?

3:49 what a great point AmericanPatriot1980

Doorknob plus as a point, the power glove is the only true way to play nes games.

Me when I fail 2:24 on June 7 2023 on pixel speedrun but still got 2:25.110

This is bull. The only legitimate controller is the NES power glove. If one can't get a low 4:54 with a powerglove, they probably just aren't very good at the game. Its time to face the facts.

14:58 who's that 🤔

all games are born through a keyboard.

Thats when I saw her face, not a doubt in my mind

It doesn't matter what Niftski plays on, it's cheating because he's a robot lol.

This is content

13:00 i think kuto has like 5 or 6 g815s

Holy mario this is some well edited stuff

The main problem I have with the debate itself (not the issue, but specifically the DEBATE around the issue) is that people overstep in their statements when making their point. It's one thing to argue that there is no significant advantage, it's another to express that by saying they are *equal*. They are not exactly the same, so they are not equal. One has an advantage over the other, it's just a matter of which, and whether that advantage is significant enough to warrant consideration. But what always happens is that people have that desire to use a very powerful statement format rather than a more accurate one, and so they choose the word "equal" when that's not accurate. Also remember, there may be no clear cut advantage *that is known right now*, but that is subject to change depending on potentially unknowable factors moving forward. So don't get so entrenched into one side that you end up not willing to continue to consider new information as it comes because you start to take criticisms of one side personally rather than objectively.

Is playing smb1 on schich alowed on for speedruning?

If key board or accepted could some one use a special tailered made controler with a specific form and parte that would be perfect for mario be accepted? If yes there is no argument for no keyboard if no here is the best argument for no key board. I think it does not matter

concerning

Ben Simmons has entered the chat.

its like GCC vs B0xx

AS long as Niftski doesnt run a sub 4:55 on a NES advantage controller, he isnt the best speedrunner in SMB for me. Everybody can do it on an original controller or with keyboards.

WDYM people in europe have more issues finding well priced consoles? If you want to buy an nes with controller and cables you'd be spending way less in Europe than in the US. Unless you mean getting an ntsc nes but you can just unlock the pal nes by cutting an IC leg.

what about on mobile

It’s no surprise that keyboard/emulator is the community favorite, since most people are unwilling to spend effort and money on a real setup. The people who value accessibilty over fairness would ignore discrepancies either way

Keyboard is cheating

is there a reason speed runners never seem to use dogbone controllers

I would never play on a keyboard. Fuck dat. Good for them but weird as shit.

I mean you can press both left and right and that sounds broken .

Weird how speedrunning communities try to keep everything as original as possible only use certain emus if any at all and than they just don't care when someone used a perihperal that wasn't even designed for the console. It's pretty obvious the precision of a keyboard is gonna be more accurate and give an edge over original hardware. Dunno why it's not banned must be people drinking paint thinner again. and price doesn't matter when there's plenty of amazing re pro controllers that perform as good as OEM (and less than a keyboard).

didn't watch the video, keyboard runs are fraud

Wireless xbox series x controller for emulator is the best.