What Do Different Plates Sound Like? Featuring the Engineered HH60

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What Do Different Plates Sound Like? Featuring the Engineered HH60

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#keybored What Do Different Plates Sound Like? Featuring the HH60
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So I usually get a lot of questions about keyboard stuff... and one of them is... yo bro, what is the thockiest switch? Well, besides that, another one is, what plate sounds like what? I remember I did a segment on plate stiffness and its sound pitch... this time, I decided to actually let you hear the plates themselves. For this, Evan from Australia (Engineer that helped me on this channel) sent me his own keyboard design, the HH60 to test things out with!
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@PYROof404 Жыл бұрын

You are by a significant margin, my favourite keyboard content creator. I absolutely love that you go into the science of this wonderful hobby.

@Keybored Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! I hope the content helps more than confuses haha

@charlesw3120 Жыл бұрын

My sentiments exactly.

@pharo.3074 Жыл бұрын

for sure. him, nearlucid, and shoobs carry the hobby on youtube

@romans_1202 Жыл бұрын

Yep I love that

@samprasfoon06 7 ай бұрын

Couldn’t agree more.

@Gravitight Жыл бұрын

sound test 5:40 carbon fiber(CF) 6:34 aluminum (ALU) 6:45 CF vs ALU 7:28 FR4 7:37 FR4 vs ALU vs CF 8:48 POM 8:58 POM vs FR4 vs ALU vs CF 13:40 brass ping test + Sound Chart 10:44 Quick Sound Chart Data @Keybored thank you for helping me choose between plates. I would have loved to hear the brass in an actual typing test I appreciate the information you've brought together here.

@Clackbait Жыл бұрын

Pom and Alu are my favorite plates for sure. Great job putting this together. I know how much work went into this!

@FitLabb Жыл бұрын

Pom is generally my favorite sounding & feeling plate to use. I enjoy having boards with different plates, mounting styles, & builds, but POM & PC are by far the ones I prefer & use most. Enjoyed this deep dive into different plate materials. 👍

@Luis-325 Жыл бұрын

YO! It's discount Mike O'Brien. No way he's here. And I do love POM. It just has a "meaty" and fulfilling sound that I enjoy. It has some bass to it, if that makes sense at all.

@beefpainting Жыл бұрын

Your ability to bring in analytical discussion to a very opinionated hobby is much appreciated. Very informative-Great job!

@mojoneko8303 10 ай бұрын

This is just what I was looking for. I just ordered my first keyboard kit the Meletrix Zoom98 and their are 4-5 plate options including carbon fiber, Fr4, aluminum, Pom and brass. The brass plate is the one I was most curious about. My experience with acoustics is from building speakers so I have been trying to relate that to keyboard sound. I liked the discussion about plate mass, stiffness and density. I found it very informative. I'm new to the custom keyboard hobby. I was using the same 20 year old Steelseries Shift membrane keyboard until a couple of weeks ago when I spilled a beer on it and decided to replace it with my first mechanical keyboard. A Logitech K845ch with Cherry Blue tactile switches. I was amazed at the difference compared to my old dinosaur keyboard. I should have done this years ago. I just figured a keyboard was a keyboard. Now I'm going to try my hand at building a custom keyboard. I ordered the Zoom98 on a group buy and it isn't going to ship until January. Thanks for the video. Subscribed.

@bradyvilhauer4445 3 ай бұрын

How did the Zoom98 build go?? I am in audio/video/lighting as an integrator, so I don’t build speakers but I do build designs for small production venues. I made similar comments on videos when I first started! My love for audio is one of the biggest reasons I enjoy keyboards.

@arielmatiauda5110 Ай бұрын

What plate you end up using? really curious about it

@mojoneko8303 Ай бұрын

@@arielmatiauda5110 Hi I have had the carbon fiber plate installed since I built it. I've been so happy with the keyboard I haven't changed it yet. I will play with that this winter. This was my first custom keyboard so I shotgunned all the accessories because I wasn't sure if I could get them in the future. I think I will try the brass plate next. Is there one in particular you are interested in? I can try it next if you want.

@mojoneko8303 Ай бұрын

@@bradyvilhauer4445 Hi sorry for the late reply. The build went very well it's an excellent keyboard. But this is my first custom board. It's so much nicer than any keyboard I've ever used. I'm using Wuque Studios Morandi linear switches. And WS WOB PBS double shot keycaps. I bought all 5 plates and am using the carbon fiber one since I built the keyboard. I will try the others this winter. It's the smoothest, queit4est keyboard I've ever used but I learned to type on a Royal manual typewriter back in the day. The speakers I built are the 2TDX Criton tower speakers I built the cabinets myself from 3/4" redwood oak rather than the flat pack mdf. I also built a Elekit 300B tube amp to drive them. I'm very happy with the setup. Any thing you want to know about the keyboard?

@arielmatiauda5110 Ай бұрын

@@mojoneko8303 i have recently bought this kb with a PC plate and wanted to hear opinions on how it compares for example with brass or aluminum, heard that PC is one of the stiffest plates, it's also my first custom keyboard, i haven't received it yet

@Wintersoya Жыл бұрын

From my graduating year in college when I'm just starting into the hobby and now as a newly licensed Mechanical Engineer myself, I became an instant fan of yours specially when it comes to these technical analysis stuff. Not every day you can stumble upon a keyboard content creator that has and in dept but interactive engineering perspective about keyboard reviews. That being said, CF and Alu plate will be my end game for any board, I guess. Thanks for the inspiration sir!

@ResumedPausing Жыл бұрын

in my opinion, a board that doesn't come with foam is a sign of confidence from the designer. And this board delivers! There's a fullness to it that sounds wonderful, my personal favorite being the POM plate.

@Keybored Жыл бұрын

Definitely truth to this!

@haihao2942 Жыл бұрын

Foam is over-hated

@sarius2388 10 ай бұрын

so foam cant be an aspect of design?

@ericfayhuynh Жыл бұрын

finally a keyboard comparison with only the plate material being swapped. ty

@deppy53 Жыл бұрын

I love Pom and FR4 they sound so lively. Great video!

@eggcords Жыл бұрын

this was great! but wished i could have heard the typing test of brass and PC as well

@Drunken_Hamster 24 күн бұрын

I love this specific stiffness chart. If you like lightweight and clacky, pick carbon fiber. If you like heavy and clacky pick steel. Medium weight and clacky, pick Aluminum. If you like lightweight and thocky pick PC or POM, if you like balanced and heavy pick Brass, balanced and light FR4. The only thing you can't really have is Thocky and heavy, at least not in terms of raw materials, but there are, of course, all the other factors for keyboard sound. Me? I assume I'd like balanced and heavy the most, so I should go brass as long as the budget is okay.

@kevj9928 5 ай бұрын

I do appreciate the depth of science here. The charts bring the concept home for me.

@deckstor1 Жыл бұрын

FR4 preferred for me, nice balanced tone and still durable. Not too much flex

@TheEightDomain 26 күн бұрын

Im eyeing it for my ROG Azoth right now, have u tried Alu?? is FR4 thinner than alu?

@BennyTygohome Жыл бұрын

There's been alot of plate sound comparisons videos, but this video did it best. The immediate back to back sound comparisons make it more easily discernable between the sounds. Often in other videos there is a span of time between sound comparisons and they all end up sounding almost the same. By immediately comparing sounds back to back you can more easily tell the difference. Thank you!

@gamernerd7139 5 ай бұрын

I keep coming back to your vids because of the theoretical basis of why keyboards sound the way they do. Great content as always!

@ImOnMy116 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video Scott, it’s great to have a reference point on a clean sounding foamless board! I’ve been heavily considering getting a PP plate cut, apparently it’s akin to a more flexible POM, may just be a lot of hype for nothing, but if that isn’t the keyboard hobby, I don’t know what is

@Keybored Жыл бұрын

Haha that is very true. I haven't tried a pp plate, but let me know how it goes!

@acabreros Ай бұрын

I came in to say that this keyboard is so underrated and unrepresented. I love my E-White HH60 that I purchased from Even. This board represents the very essence of what a foamless keyboard should sound with a unique mount for a 60 series (compared to top mount). Paired with HMX switches or even metal stem Tempeh, this board sounds amazing for the clacky profile I love. I only made a few minor mods, forces break and tape mode to settle the bit of hollowness. I love the simple design but with elegant chamfer. It's not box/wedge but it's also not so busy around the edges. I would have loved l to see this in a 65% as the added, sound, foamless I would assume but this up into the premium rank of boards like my Forever65. My next experiment is to cut up the FR4 plate and make it a half plate and use the solder PCB. I think that would address some of the hollowness without use some tape mod and bring out an even brighter sound.

@horeyezen 6 ай бұрын

Wow, thank you for putting together this video! I have been considering getting an Alu plate. However, now that I have watched your video, I feel better about sticking to my FR4 plate and saving some money! This video was very informative and I really appreciated the plate sound comparisons!

@jlee9360 Жыл бұрын

That CF plate is def the best for some reason the other ones sound a little hollow.

@CDeeez94 6 ай бұрын

Thank you for doing such a tremendous amount of work to put these videos together. You're helping a lot of people make efficient decisions with their money.

@singletona082 10 ай бұрын

Thank you for giving the science behind keyboard feel and sound.

@famouslastwords_ Жыл бұрын

This is the exact video I needed to help me make an informed building choice. Thank you so much.

@hivesteel 6 ай бұрын

As someone new to this hobby this was a fantastically informative video. Cheers and thank you

@IvoryB 10 ай бұрын

Honestly, that ad was gold lol

@markle3441 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this video. And also, thank you for being a great professor in Keyboardtology.❤😂

@SkytheFatalis Жыл бұрын

Watching at 1am......... Thank you. My favorite keyboard content creator.

@peigen7151 7 ай бұрын

Fantastic video, holy shit I loved the ending! I'm going for FR4 now.

@jammies701 Жыл бұрын

I love this, thank you for putting it into the tables like this, love objective measurements and numbers

@DirtyGingy Жыл бұрын

Some concerns about the young's modulus: brass is an alloy and different ratios will change it. Steel is a complex material and no two steels are the same and can vastly change the sound. Though, most of the more interesting steels you will not find as a keyboard plate

@Alsry1 Жыл бұрын

hardened carbon steel for maximum stiffness

@Alsry1 Жыл бұрын

@@KP-by4eu it’s not pitches actually. The difference is in overtones and undertones. It’s the reason why you are able to tell a trombone made from brass from one made in plastic even though they are playing the same note. Each material creates different undertones that contribute to a sounds characteristic. Also a ear can tell minor differences at least a microtone apart, and the sound each of the materials create has a far greater difference than a microtone. Plus there are foam less metal boards that sound amazing. Refer to unikorn and Kohaku.

@yanni-duff Жыл бұрын

@@KP-by4eu I actually agree, I hate all the metal sounds. So I went with a polycarbonate plate and case.

@greyareaRK1 Жыл бұрын

It would be nice to see more materials tested for plates, like maybe ebonite, plexiglass,...wood?

@botang9960 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for your amazing videos😍 I'm a newcomer to the world of custum keyboard and I've really learned a lot from your videos : ) Hope you get more and more subs! 🙌🙌🙌

@mntish Жыл бұрын

Thank you, those videos are priceless

@612wharfavenue-nj 6 ай бұрын

i agree, aluminum and pom were my favorites from the sound test

@MalvixStudio Жыл бұрын

Hi Scott, great demonstration of the differences between plate materials. An engineering-first point of view is always appreciated. There are a few things that I believe you missed. While conducting the typing test, you pushed your wooden wrist test against the keyboard, which would have changed the resonant properties of the system. Additionally, Young’s modulus and specific stiffness, while a good starting point, unfortunately aren’t sufficient for a description of plate performance in my opinion. Materials such as brass have significantly lower internal damping capacity than aluminum, and potentially more resonant mode frequencies. Factors like that can contribute to what is also often associated with brass and steel plates, what the community refers to as “pinging”. Keep up the great work!

@chang9373 7 ай бұрын

honestly. for linear users ,pom and fr4 are more balanced . listen carefully to the space cap sound ,when alu ,the space cap sound is more bigger and out. that's a little inconsistent to me ,although sound is indeed solid and crispy . fr4 maybe not exciting to many people, but deep and pure and consistent. for long-term experience ,for a linear user's requirement ,i think literally fr4 is the most balanced.

@HollywoodEDC 4 ай бұрын

POM, PolyCarb, then FR4 are my 3 favs in order. FR4 is old faithful of the bunch (adds nothing, but doesnt give "pingy" sonic additions)

@NathanielRisum Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this both engaging and easily understandable video - if I could've seen this video when I joined the hobby years ago I would've likely bought vastly different plates than the ones I decided on back then.. On the other hand, it's also nice seeing my own discoveries and preferences being verified by others! :D Love your channel

@galex315 Жыл бұрын

Man what a great video. Keep the great work! I love that you use your engineering background to enhance the beauty of the keyboard hobby.

@Flib_smmh Жыл бұрын

Please mod this baby ! With o-rings on bottom mount, with anything I don't even know yet :p

@romans_1202 Жыл бұрын

I like the aluminum… no wait the fr4… no wait the Pom… urgh I don’t know hehe they all have their uniqueness

@alexossan2829 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video! Newbie to the hobby and plate choice has been giving me headaches because I want to join several different group buys yet I have no experience with anything but aluminium. Add to that the fear of not being able to get different plates afterwards, made me buy a lot more plates than I probably should have. Wish I had found this video two months earlier. Also, for some reason, I absolutely hate that spacebar on the Aluminium plate. I don't know why. That specific sound just irks me to no end. Every other key sounds fine to me, just that spacebar on Aluminium. Guess I now know which plate to always avoid. :D

@starplatinumrqm Жыл бұрын

amazing vid as always

@kaptmart Жыл бұрын

Did it again! I'm not interested in the layout/size, but your take/perspective on it made it so much interesting that I watched til the end! Would like to hear it with plate foam tho

@Keybored Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Glad it was at l last informative in one way or another!

@sevurueva5138 9 ай бұрын

Isng FR4 plate the material circuit ards are made of ?

@JulianDalat-rm6pn 10 ай бұрын

such a great video, thank you

@YurttheSilentChief1 Жыл бұрын

Some hollowness adds some really nice character to the sound profile. I fully believe that there is the right amount of hollowness to complete the aesthetic of certain keyboards.

@ethur10n Жыл бұрын

if you’re into the vintage keyboard hobby, a lot of their acoustics rely on the keyboard case itself. a lot of people are starting catch onto this and i hope we start seeing a renaissance of vintage/retro keyboard case designs.

@jujinnlee88 Жыл бұрын

the Hex.3c R1 is bottom mount too!

@ardazgames Жыл бұрын

Love the depth that these vids go

@renatolovato Жыл бұрын

Once again, the best keyboard (or I would say keybored) content on youtube.

@chaox38 Жыл бұрын

You are definitely the best Keebs content creator around for me. I've learned so much from your videos. I hope you can make a Monsgeek M1 budget Thock and Clack build soon coz I'm kinda having a hard time making mine thock since apparently the board itself is in the clackier side.

@LongNguyen-fp9zk Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@muddystick Жыл бұрын

Alu plate gang rise up!

@hrolvnir Жыл бұрын

this is cool. would you do a stabilizers comparison video? there are so many options better than durock now

@Ojas.mediratta Жыл бұрын

TX and Staebies are top tier, you can use Cherry clip-ins if you’re adept at tuning and modding and don’t want to spend too much. Otherwise, I hear owlstabs are decent, but I would just get TX personally.

@hrolvnir Жыл бұрын

@@Ojas.mediratta I was thinking of QMX personally but it would be great to get Scotts scientific approach to making the comparison the way he does switches

@Keybored Жыл бұрын

There are so many... Staebies prob best haha

@hrolvnir Жыл бұрын

@@Keybored that's interesting -- I bought those and stabbers, the new QMX, TX regular + TX long pole, and durocks, and some FR4 stab plates and GMK spacebars to test them all.

@hrolvnir Жыл бұрын

and happy to ship these to you if you're interested. I have way more than I'll ever use.

@cognosis378 Жыл бұрын

That wrist rest is stunning. Is it Cypress?

@obamagaming9456 Жыл бұрын

I specifically picked a brass plate because I liked how thocky it sounded while also retaining that metallic sound. It's definitely not clacky haha.

@krtirtho 2 ай бұрын

"Oh my god what have I got into" ~ since April, 2024

@HeyMaruniko Жыл бұрын

I like your content as not only its entertaining from keyboard hobbyist perspective, but also very educating at same time. the vibe that i got from big science youtuber like Veritasium/Smarter Everyday. Keep on the good work!

@michaellogan6154 Жыл бұрын

Great explenation of the science behind thoc / clack. Was a great one to watch, thanks!

@G-tour Жыл бұрын

I love these more informative videos! What about polypropylene plates? They should be less stiff and more thocky than PC plates, right? Never tried one myself though, just curious

@Keybored Жыл бұрын

I heard they are very soft! So probably deeper also

@solaufein Жыл бұрын

Great video, my fav is Pom.

@DJCloudy_ Жыл бұрын

To me it sounds like the CF plate had a slightly lower resonant frequency than the aluminium, however the aluminium has a wider range of tones than the CF

@BennyTygohome Жыл бұрын

I bought a POM plate for my keyboard that has pcb mounted screw in stabs. Love it and the sound. Fur my sister's keyboard keychron k8, the stabs are clip on plate mounted. The plate stabs for spacebar were a challenge because the plate would flex compared to the original steel plate, cause the spacebar stabs bar to be uneven and jam. Resolved it with a little Dremel work to better fit the clip in stabs. Btw, i love the white POM as it really displays pcb underglow rgb amazingly well.

@tazzmania6292 Жыл бұрын

Amazing... Scott, this person and you might be overkill for the hobby but also just what we lack in the community.

@leetianhau4889 Жыл бұрын

In terms of feel, which plate gives you the least counter shock on your fingers?

@CristianSanchezz22 8 ай бұрын

Hi! Is it a very big difference in feeling between allu and steel? I already have the steel one in a Keychron V5 but I was doubting about getting a Allu or PC plate, not sure if having the steel one would make sense to get the allu. The keys I'm using are the gatheron milky yellow pro!

@ItsNotFrey Жыл бұрын

pretty damn informative video. also now i wanna see more bottom-mounted keyboards in the future lol

@Keybored Жыл бұрын

So odd that no one really designs them

@1r0n82 Жыл бұрын

Hello, I love your content! I was wondering if you could make a video on the newly revised Gateron North Pole v2?

@jammies701 Жыл бұрын

Just want to point out that the values used for the carbon fiber plate in this case aren’t really accurate because most carbon fiber plates are coated in resin or something, not pure carbon fiber. Because of that, I expect most CF plates are probably deeper than you would expect from this breakdown

@mishagaming5100 Жыл бұрын

Amazing content. I'm thinking it could be a good keyboard to test tape mod as well. Maybe for another video? :D

@thestreamreader Жыл бұрын

Can you get an NK 87 Aluminum and work some magic on it. Anyway to make it flex? I think its one of the most difficult boards and anyway to get rid of some of the 20+ screws. Not sure its that many but I felt I wasted a lifetime with all its screws. You could also get EE and show what you would do with both.

@m_ridian 8 ай бұрын

you’re my favorite Asian CEO

@BokehhBob Жыл бұрын

Cf stiffer than aluminum? I put CF with FR4 usually.

@yangxiu4341 Жыл бұрын

got any plans to review freja65 from helheim designs? seems to be really interesting material for a keyboard. they sound marbly from some of the sound test i have heard. be interested to hear your thoughts on it

@bakeraus Жыл бұрын

Nice review of plates and a great looking board. Very clean

@yunthug 9 ай бұрын

If I wanted a keyboard that sounds creamy, which plate(s) would be the best for that sound profile?

@TheEightDomain 26 күн бұрын

Is the aluminum plate thicker than FR4?? was hoping to have my ROG Azoth's keycap height go a bit lower of I change to FR4 if it's thinner, i hate seeing the switc corners because the Azoth's frame is too thin

@noxuification 6 ай бұрын

i am kinda new to the whole subject but i was wondering what sound profile i would get with 2mm silicone dampener on top of aluminium plate in my nuphy halo 75 ?

@KaizenGpo 4 ай бұрын

these are so expensive i might as well make it myself and it would be more fun

@oscarsanchez298 Жыл бұрын

I just want to add, that keyboard sound so solid. It has little to no ping, yet it still sound full and not boring. Really interesting and simple board.

@wil- Жыл бұрын

Probably u should do back to the logitech g304, looks rlly clean. Videos are insane, pls keep making more :DDDD

@wil- Жыл бұрын

And btw, I think you should do more switch reviews. I've been seeing the WS quartz, I want to do more research on the switch before I buy it :D

@AT-vj2mz Жыл бұрын

Is it bad that my first thought was: I wonder if I could fit a kilmat and tape in that case It's odd though... Pom plate is deeper than PC plate in every video I've seen, could it be the way the material resonates or the thickness of the pom plates produced? I noticed pom also has a rougher finish by nature than PC

@gangliaghost8720 7 ай бұрын

I actually did this but when our power went out, I think the kilmat softened in the heat and ruined my keyboard, even though I had tried to add a protective layer between the PCB and kilmat. I'm not 100% sure about it, though. There was black gunk in places that was hard to clean, at least

@HandsomeAlex25 Жыл бұрын

POM is lovely.

@Raptor-ln2mr Жыл бұрын

you should add polypropylene (PP) to the chart

@MrSkullhead0 Жыл бұрын

Your vids are always a joy to watch. Even when you don’t implement science into your vids! The science is just a huge bonus. Please keep doing your awesome work!

@fluxy3468 Жыл бұрын

u always make me come back to this hobby, i dont know if this is a good thing or not.

@Keybored Жыл бұрын

Haha I hope it's good?

@JosePto Ай бұрын

FR4 + POM

@lloritoovidexequield.8609 Жыл бұрын

I wish there would be a TKL version, or even an exploded 75% layout for this.

@govgamers2821 Жыл бұрын

Hey man, does changing plate for weight reduction purpose worth to do?

@wintradebuster9015 Жыл бұрын

time stamps next time pls

@Ken_Jones Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this. I really wanted to hear Brass too btw. But great video! I’m a sucker for the science. Read appreciate that! I’m thinking an all Brass case with plate would sound great. But then again, a brass violin sounds very high pitched compared to a wooden one 😵‍💫 I guess I have to try it out myself to experience what a full brass keyboard sounds like.

@Keybored Жыл бұрын

Brass is probably in between fr4 and pom :)

@Ken_Jones Жыл бұрын

@@Keybored thanks!

@ambasing69 12 күн бұрын

Why did FR4 sound clackier than alu ngl

@zegonix Жыл бұрын

definitly my favourite keybored youtuber, probably because im a fellow engineer.

@mfhm5700 11 ай бұрын

Aluminum is the one for me.

@SL0THHHHHH Жыл бұрын

For those of you who may be interested, copper's Specific Stiffness is ~13.1

@lawrencetchen Жыл бұрын

So just below FR4! Definitely a softer metal

@rq1ny_ Жыл бұрын

I love your content man, found a week ago and I’ve watched a crap ton of videos. I wish I had the budget you had for your keyboards. I’m stuck with a portico75 rn and my parents say one is enough.

@emilandersson8093 Жыл бұрын

They have a plate file if you want a different plate, you can get it on their discord

@rq1ny_ Жыл бұрын

@@emilandersson8093 dont have discord, can you link the portico plate file here

@rq1ny_ Жыл бұрын

cant open the plate file, website link?

@lampkb Жыл бұрын

Damn, this board sounds super interesting & I do love how many plate options are offered. I do wish though that the board had a through-weight or external weight or something as I feel that those really also impact sound too. It does sound good, however, I can't find a reason to justify this board at the $275 USD price point. Nice video!

@tazzmania6292 Жыл бұрын

Tape and foam are disgusting only when they add that "Puffy" sounding thock/clack. Happens with most lower end boards though.. I've tried taping/foaming high end boards like the Korn and KC.. no puffs