REVERSAL Tournament - played in one the other day. Bring your WORST deck to the tournament. When you play, you and your opponent switch decks so they try to beat you with your worst and you try to beat them with your worst. A cool game type where you don't throw away your worst deck. I really like Keyforge as i was crap at deck building.

The Adaptive format is AMAZING! You bring one deck, you play against your opponent, then you switch decks and play again. If one person won both games, they win. If it's tied, the players bid chains to use the deck that won both games in the tiebreaker. It's a fantastic format that I could see making its way into other games.

Ah yes, the stun lime.

“That’s a profoundly embarrassing mashup, like finding your dad in Smash Bros.” This writing is beautiful.

"For people who struggle to follow the plot of Instagram stories" did get a chuckle out of me

PUT QUINNS' DAD IN SMASH YOU COWARDS

I definitely thought the introduction was going to be "it has the mindbending twist of not being based on Star Wars or Lovecraft"

I love the dynamic of one of you disliking a game and the other defending it. It adds a really well rounded feel to the review

I am loving Keyforge but I echo Quin's feelings about the game missing a cohesive flavor. Sometimes it feels like I am playing a match of League of Legends.

I like the puzzle in Keyforge. Instead of spending my life searching for rare overpowered cards, the task in front of me is figuring out how to most effectively use the deck that I already own. Keyforge may well wear itself out in a few months, maybe longer. For now, it is being played regularly on game night and everybody seems to be having a fun time with it.

Alexa, remind me to rewatch this video in 2098 so I can preorder my cooking video.

14:40 is EXACTLY I think the mistake that magic the gathering made for years. They focused to much on competitive play which only a small percentage of people want to do. I cant stress enough how much it sucks to go to a game store, pay entry and get beaten down over and over again. Then, Commander, a purely casual format emerges and surprise surprise its now their most popular format.

The reason I like customizable deck games like Magic, L5R, and Cyberpunk is that while cards are fixed into what they do I can still make a deck behave quite differently due to what I put in to the deck. It also helps that there are other formats of play for the longer running games of that type with what is legal to play with.

Such a good time seeing a review video from you guys!

I would like to say the way you ended talking about just the discussion/discovery/speed play at the end is really why I’ve started to play it heavily. I absolutely miss being able to consistently play quick games of Android Netrunner and this game gives me that!

Such a fantastic review guys. I remember the first podcast you talked about it, Quinns hated everything about this game. Perfect way to go about this recommendation. Loved it!

Keyforge is basically "It's Different: The Card Game"

6:43 just because of the timing, and because I wasn't watching very closely, I initially thought Quinns had thrown a lump of carrot into Matt's mouth and just continued with the line with utter professionalism.

Hey a Team Covenant shoutout on the VHS! Nice.

Good one! Thanks for this review it was just the right kind of information for me! I too love when I find ways to automate my work! That part really resonated with me!

"Like finding your dad in smash brothers." that gave me a good laugh!

Thank God and the House of Commons that I still have my VHS player! I need that How to Make Tokens Guide. Cheers. Preordering.

The casual and fun format is what has me hooked. I've played 5 games so far and I'm realizing the deck I bought for my wife is way better than mine. But I've had a lot of fun trying to beat it. My opponents turns suck but its not too bad. The sealed tournament style is so delightful, I'm actually doing it with my brother tonight. We've got a whole evening planned over pizza and keyforge. I mean, that is what its all about. Its so delightful to me, and something that feels completely fresh.

Keyforge: For MtG players who love playing Storm.

Everything you'll have described about this game reminds me of everything I love about drafting.

Put the damn RULEBOOK in the BOX! Infuriating.

Keyforge is a solid 5/10. It's made to be stupid simple... and it becomes blatantly obvious when you play it.

I LOVE you both so much. I truly do. Having said that, is it also OK to say that I miss Paul? I keep expecting him to simply appear in the corner of the room, pretending to take a turn. Paul is one of those personalities (like Chevy Chase, let's say) who can make me laugh with nothing more than a goofy look. By the way, I know that he is not dead or gone, but I still miss him. I think I need to go watch his review of Feast for Odin again......

I really just want to say I've been sick with the stomach flu for the past 3 days, and watching Quinns eat a banana is the first thing that's really made me laugh in a while. Thank you so much guys.

would really like to see more coverage of Keyforge on SU&SD: how it evolved, what's coming up... Maybe on the podcastle?

The hype for Keyforge Kitchen is unreal. So glad I pre-ordered mine early.

I love how you guys always break into a smile right at the end of a skit- the "wake up moment" for example. It and the general style makes the videos feel very...human? You the fact that they are a product of labour themselves inherent to the video; it's not some review that just "exists", the methodology is referenced and transparently viewable. Also, that Quinns wink is so precious.

Playing this at lunch with some friends today. I don't have carrots but I think I'll try using Cheetos as aember today. I'm sure they'll love it.

That feeling when you refresh your sub feed and see a new SU&SD video. 😘

Pokémon meets Hearthstone... but I still love it! I also have to say, I really like how you both delve into the game players mind asking the deeper, "Why" questions. The answers to those questions are what justify spending valuable time and money from a gamers slice of their life.

Make sure to congratulate your director of photography mr matt the video quality has been through the roof lately

Nice! good times :) There are still Starters for sale though if you know where to look. Not sold out (yet). Keep up the good work guys!

This is a great review and why I love you guys. Matt's description of his experience with MtG is spot on for me. I had the same with Netrunner. Is my deck bad or am I bad? Good to hear this disrupts the collectable card game scene.

What you love about KF is what I do too. Thanks for saying it out loud. Hope it revives well.

I really appreciate the dueling opinions on this game. I’m honestly torn on trying it because while it looks interesting I know the kind of things I want to do in a card game and this game doesn’t let me choose my deck or the things I’m going to do.

One of the most intelligent reviews I have seen.Well done boys!

Yes, Matt, you can come around my house, have some fish fingers for tea and play Keyforge.

Interesting overview. Keyforge seems to be the antithesis of everything I enjoyed from playing CCG/TCGs. While I do not have the time to sit down and ruminate about decks these days, I'd rather make the time to play rather than spend 10 bucks on a random deck I can't modify. If my deck sucks, it doesn't bring me any comfort knowing I can't change it, it just would feel like a waste of money to me. It's great that the game has found a home with many and I would be willing to try it at some point, I just can't see ever wanting to spend money on that.

Funny and informative. Worth a subscribe, methinks!

*7 houses

Hey guys, where are all these cool tournaments and meetups in London/the UK that you mention?!

So if I back the spachtower, will I get a complimentary video teaching me how to make my own Shut Up and Sit Down Keyforge tokens, a Feyforge deck bag?

It's so interesting, as a long-time MtG player and ex-WotC employee, to have to relearn patience and composure. I swear I had turns where I got analysis paralysis just looking at all the nothing I should do. Because unlike MtG, where leaving Mana open for your opponents turn sends a clear signal, in KeyForge I felt it sent a signal of being out of control. The first turn spent just discarding was a watershed for both of us, and it changed the flow for both of us. First game a couple of days ago, it was fun to pick apart my deck's function, and my opponent definitely suffered from a "DO ALL THE THINGS" mentality which saw him chip my creatures out of play rather than score based on my board position, something his deck seemed ideal at. Ultimately that first game took 90 minutes, but boy was it fun!

Got this idea from Reddit, but love it. Add some extra buy-in/immersion for your decks by crafting up your own goofy/fun/melodramatic Archon story for each deck.

I have played a few deck building games but never really enjoyed sitting by myself looking up all the cards available and working out the best X cards in a deck and preferred playing a bunch more, but I'd inevitably get ruined by my competitive friends who would constantly spend money buying more cards to have stronger decks to the point where my best deck would compete only with their worst decks, keyforge has fixed that for me and now I just play I love that about it

LOL great POG reference! I said GOODDAY SIR!!

"It that wickedly supports taxation" I can't stop laughing at this

I found a a copy KEYFORGR 2019 2 player starter set of this yesterday for £3 at a charity Shop in UK. It had 2 seal deck (that original come with game). Plus surprisingly, I believe it as 3 extra non seal decks, so I apparently got 3 deck in the game. So sometimes buying use pays off more than just used condition box, cheaper price and sometimes extra components in this case, 3 extra KEYFORGR deck.😅

Great game! I haven't gotten the starter set but I already have six decks.

As a person who used to play competitive magic. This game is good. Static unique decks are refreshing. Admiringly I just play with my son nowadays and we randomly pick a deck out of a pool of 4 decks some good some bad. Thumbs up here.

I’m in love with KeyForge!

For me, Matt nails it in this review. If you don't have the time, money or inclination to spend hours painstakingly curating decks for games of this kind, Keyforge is a godsend. This is the one I've been waiting for. It's just FUN! I would also disagree with Quinns on the theme: the idea of multiple worlds colliding, mingling and coexisting is one I really like. The whole multiverse thing is so hot right now. I hated the inclusion of Mars as a house at first, but when I discovered that there's a card 'The Common Cold' that instantly kills all Mars creatures? It clicked. Keyforge is the most excited I've been about a game in a long time, and this is reflected in the fact that I'm fairly certain this is the longest comment I've ever left in a KZfaq video. Get involved!

I live Keyforge for getting pickup games when I don’t have enough time to play a more in depth game with setup time. The theme and art turned me away when I first saw it but now I’ve grown to enjoy it and really like some of it.

Imagine if SUSD actually put out a VHS like one of those odd "top 10 best footballers ever" videos from the 90s, that would be oddly thrilling. Matt is the terry venables of board games with Quinns as his Glenn hoddle

All I took away from this video is that I now want to learn how to play MTG

I am going to wait for the second set and see if they Introduce new factions

No matter how much time it took, I'm sure syncing the sound effect to the wink was worth it.

Love the food as tokens. I had to go out to an arts and craft store to buy plastic beads for tokens (and other prototyping), but yeah...

oooh Devolo powerline adapters cool !

I got drunk playing Zombicide and in the morning, I found out I'd bought three decks of Keyforge on my way home... so I hope I'll like it :-)

Okay I've found something new to try, and have you guys played the spoils card game?

This game is great for players like me who don't get into deckbuilding and just like to buy some starter/structure decks of CCGs and play with those as-is.

I want Matt to perform my eulogy.

I think it’s odd how much people are saying the “deck” is all that matters vs a players skill etc. after playing ~150 games and owning 30 decks I’d say ~70% of decks are all close enough in power level to be negligible between two equally skilled players. ~10-12% on each end are slightly/appreciably good/bad and will skew the win/loss ratio slightly between equally skilled players and only ~3% on each end are exceptionally good or bad. The game works really well as both competitive in Adaptive and Gauntlet format that wasn’t discussed in the video, and great casually in really whatever format you’d like.

There is no better board game review channel out there. End of story.

You know, I'd love a video showing what's on the bookshelves I keep seeing in the background.

I got two decks to expand the CCGs and TCGs I play in looking forward to someone to match against.

I knew it! Those damn Brits are coming for us! Seriously though, great review guys. KeyForge has been a joy to play and I've been experiencing similar growing pains within the community trying to figure out how this damn game works.

8:45 is the funniest part of this video, I actually laughed.

We primarily play adaptive and love it! Played this way its about the most balanced game Ive ever done. But bidding chains is a learned skill as well.

Great review, one question though: what was going on with that tin foil with the banana peel on in on the couch?

So to sum it all up, you recommend it for being different, for limited player agency, for limited consumer agency, and for being superficial enough that it doesn't really matter how good a deck is or not because you can just ditch all those cards into the bin and press your luck on a new deck. Cool.

Quinns is a review hero.

I've been sitting on my Starter set and a couple extra decks, waiting to get them under the Christmas tree for my son. Cant wait to try it out, but I will admit that my excitement for this has waned a bit since seeing its release and reception.

Holy what? I could order 6 pizzas?! Why do we even have grocery stores?

Have SU&SD ever tried MtG EDH/Commander games? Maybe with precons against one another?

Like Matt, my favorite deck to play is one that is likely not very good (I've rarely won) but it feels so unique and has a particular combo that I enjoy. For one, it has 7 Artifacts, where at the time the average deck had between 1 and 3. Being able to keep pulling out these Artifacts to keep on the table often kept players off balance. On top of that, it has two particular cards: one Artifact that makes any creatures that die not go to the discard but instead be removed from the game, and a spell that kills all the creatures on the table. So as a last ditch where my opponent has 6 giant brutes I can't fight vs my 1 squishy bug, I can wipe the board, maybe make a comeback. I love it for that chance at greatness, even if it never happens.

Great review. You guys are the masters of nuance. Best Keyforge review ive seen.

Honestly the thing I like about this game is that there is no incentive for people to steal your cards.

I realy love Codex more) Just the mechanic of building your deck while you play is magic ;)

As several have said, future Keyforge tournaments are going to try to follow the ADAPTIVE format mainly, as it works with both sealed and open decks. Play a game, switch decks with your opponent, play the next one. If you lose both games, you really have no-one to blame but yourself since you should have been paying attention to how your opponent's deck played in the first game so you can try to do similar with that deck the second game. Then bidding chains to use the better deck for the third game... each player is basically given an even and fair chance to win the match. Of course, due to the virus this can't really be done now. But once it's safe for organized play to become a thing again, this will be a cool tournament format.

In the and a lovely and fun review! To be honest, I love KeyForge because I am not really into super-competitive play. I've attended a seal tournament and it was great! Really good concept as you are learning the deck while playing. P.S. I love ma Mars combos, they are just silly and fun!

I love the discussion you guys have during reviews

I may have to try this now!

All in all, I am more excited for this game than I've been for a game in a good while.

I fucking lost it when Quins couldn't help but laugh during the slapping scene. I could tell that that was not planned or rehearsed and it tickled me funny.

Great review, and I appreciate the uniqueness that this game brings, but cannot determine if it is something I want in a game. There's appeal to a set deck that you don't have to worry about building yourself to be good, just your ability to play it, but it's another thing all-together to have these pre-made decks that are random in their purchase for $10 a piece, and have some of them be either intentionally bad, or just bad by comparison. Having the only solution to determine if these decks are bad is to ultimately buy more and compare, or research on the internet (are these decks truly random, or if I bought a couple of boxes of these are there decent chances I get a duplicate?) Which brings up another concern - unlike other ccg's, where even if cards in a rando pack aren't good or duplicated, you can use them elsewhere or trade/sell them. If I do drop $10 on a deck that cannot be modified in any way, what IF I get a duplicate? If it becomes common knowledge down the road that the particular duplicate is awful, you can't trade/sell/etc, you may as well use the cards to roll your own at that point. Also, apart from tournaments, what prevents people from altering their deck? Yes, there's a little checklist of cards that are in it included with every one, but are you going to take 2-3 minutes every game to inspect your opponents deck to make sure every card matches? I'd be more open if the developers said every deck is good, but I haven't heard that, and to people that say you need to spend time to learn the deck and play it right, ya, sure, I could do that, but I can also play any other ccg and build my own that I know works, instead of spending days being frustrated and losing time and again to find out that the deck I have just can't beat another one anyway. My free time is limited, I'd like to spend it having fun.

keyforge isn't expensive. it only costs £10. then £10. then £10. then another £10. then £10.

On a tangent listening to descriptions of the sheer random goofiness of this game makes me want to get a game of blind power Cosmic Encounter going. 😄

"All of this sits on the game like a bed."-->"In Soviet Russia, bed sit on YOU!"

I understand both sides in this review. Theme is such a important thing to me. Not just lore to read online more of the theme of the game and board. Aliens and elves is kind of weird. Although a game that can be entry level at any time is also amazing. I used to do mini magic tournaments with random new decks. So the fact of that one of the tournament styles is this same thing is awesome.

I love most things with magic, but I completely suck at deck building. Can't remember what cards I can draw or anything. Is this for me? xD

This... Fascinates and horrifies me as a game designer. I want it.

Watching this video again because of the new set of Keyforge on Game Found. I like the game for what it is and at the time it released, it was an extremely novel ideal when you can literally just pick up a random deck and jump into playing. But in 2022, I feel like other games kind of do it better now. For example, Magic now has JumpStart, grab two boosters with a random theme and mash them together for a deck. Same pick up and go feeling as Keyforge with the same excitement of randomness. Even the same price point. Biggest difference is with Jumpstart, you can then use those cards in your regular decks if you want to.

You should do a Smash up review by the way Good video