Khafre's Diorite Statue

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Ancient Egypt Architecture

Ancient Egypt Architecture

Жыл бұрын

We examine the famous diorite statue of Khafre/Chephren with microscopy to try and determine how it was polished

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@jherbranson
@jherbranson Жыл бұрын
The way the hawk tail hangs down the back is such a nice touch.
@GolfTesla
@GolfTesla Жыл бұрын
Sand (=quartz) has been a very good polishing tool for eons..
@KurtBoulter
@KurtBoulter 11 ай бұрын
Manual hard stone polishing techniques are still used today, though electrical machining has take over almost exclusively. For polishing very hard surfaces, shark skin, ray skin and wet leather, covered in various sizes of sad grains are used. The sand becomes imbedded into the wet leather and is similar to sanding disc today. Final polishing is done with hard leathers, leaving NO scratching, as leather is able to even sharpen modern steels, as seen in barber shops, with a blade sharpening leather strap, which hones the edge of the blade, while not leavening a jagged cutting edge as using a F-Dick or similar sharpening steel tend to. Similarly, wet wood most commonly used, also copper and brass, were also used in this way, as the grains would embed into the soft metals, forming a matrix, like the hole saws and stone cutting saws seen today. Large surface polishing, was not done in a random circular motion, it was done in a straight forward and backward motion, like scrubbing the deck of a ship with sand stone. Ancient people were just as intelligent and resourceful as people today, more so in fact, as people today in the west, have become lazy and had everything made for them.
@dvrmte
@dvrmte Жыл бұрын
From Flanders Petrie, more than 120 years ago: "And when we find on the surfaces of the saw-cuts in diorite, grooves as deep as 1/100 inch, it appears far more likely that such were produced by fixed jewel points in the saw, than by any fortuitous rubbing about of a loose powder. And when, further, it is seen that these deep grooves are almost always regular and uniform in depth, and equidistant, their production by the successive cuts of the jewel teeth of a saw appears to be beyond question..." "That the blades of the saw were of bronze, we know from the green staining on the sides of the saw cuts, and on grains of sand left in a saw cut. The forms of the tools were straight saws, circular saws, tubular drills, and lathes. The straight saws varied from .03 to .2 inch thick, according to the work; the largest were 8 feet or more in length..." "...No. 6, a slice of diorite bearing equidistant and regular grooves of circular arcs, parallel to one another; these grooves have been nearly polished out by cross grinding, but are still visible. The only feasible explanation of this piece is that it was produced by a circular saw." "...the lathe appears to have been as familiar an instrument in the fourth dynasty, as it is in the modern workshops. The diorite bowls and vases of the Old Kingdom are frequently met with, and show great technical skill."
@starcrib
@starcrib Жыл бұрын
Blades of Bronze - leaving green staining - fascinating. Its truly a stunning achievement.
@John_Redcorn_
@John_Redcorn_ Жыл бұрын
No doubt they used saws like that for the strait cuts, but it still leaves the question how did they make the vases and statues with very intricate radiuses, convex and concave surfaces? It would be fairly easy to power a large saw with animal power, man power, water power, etc. But the small size the tools needed for these objects, idk what power source could have been used, as it would have to be very mobile (hand held). Something similar to a dremel tool or small electric drill. What I DO know is they sure as hell didnt do it with copper tools or by bashing it with rocks like many “experts” claim.
@MEKKER1B2
@MEKKER1B2 Жыл бұрын
One thing is for sure, those ancient people knew how to work with stone. And the quality of what they did,with us today knowing hardly anything about the tools and processes,is what makes this great mystery so interesting. Great video !!
@Shackman66
@Shackman66 Жыл бұрын
Add this to the remarkable stone walls in Peru.
@rockets4kids
@rockets4kids Жыл бұрын
They don't call it the stone age for nothing!
@Turkish277
@Turkish277 Жыл бұрын
Those people are Africans.
@12...
@12... Жыл бұрын
is it possible that some of those scratches are the result of modern restoration/cleaning efforts?
@InspiredFortunes
@InspiredFortunes Жыл бұрын
Its almost like they chose the hardest stone just to tell us how legendary capable they were
@AncientEgyptArchitecture
@AncientEgyptArchitecture Жыл бұрын
Yup...
@wills2140
@wills2140 Жыл бұрын
Exactly right. Most statues displaying what they would consider a "god-king" are like that in degrees. A proclamation of richness, skill and ability to their gods and people. "The Leader" is great because he commands such displays of his great Empire's wealth and talents.
@drapedup76
@drapedup76 Жыл бұрын
They knew it would last for thousands of years most certainly
@JerryBS.
@JerryBS. 9 ай бұрын
Powers to turn human to stone They have that
@klubstompers
@klubstompers Жыл бұрын
Vibrating sanders do NOT leave strait lines, they leave very small circular patterns. Because it vibrates back and forth, and it is impossible to keep it moving completely forward or backward. I have done a lot of sanding, as a stone mason, and a car restoring enthusiast. If you dont believe me, use a vibrating sander, and then look at the pattern left behind. A sanding block on the other hand, leaves long strait lines, just like those in your video.
@stillwaterrocks1508
@stillwaterrocks1508 Жыл бұрын
The minerals in diorite (most of them) are either calcium-rich feldspar or pyroxenes. Pyroxenes have a Mohs hardness value between 5 and 6. Feldspars have a Mohs hardness value between 6 and 6.5. It would be better to say the hardness of diorite is between 5 and 6.5. Quartz and other hardstones can cut it and its variable nature allows for many effective techniques to be used.
@Alanoffer
@Alanoffer Жыл бұрын
I’ve always been amazed by the diorite vases in the museum ,,How material as hard as this was removed from inside a tall vase is just amazing
@debrarobinson57
@debrarobinson57 Жыл бұрын
Yes - leaving fine spiral groves inside.
@petersieben8560
@petersieben8560 Жыл бұрын
They are the top of the stonework art ... and so mysterious
@crafty3329
@crafty3329 Жыл бұрын
Because it's laser work! Oops, did I just state that we had more advance technology before our time? >_
@mrshankerbillletmein491
@mrshankerbillletmein491 Жыл бұрын
@@crafty3329 It seems obvious they had some high tech kit but the tools dont get found as far as I know
@louferrigno4712
@louferrigno4712 Жыл бұрын
ya those diorite vases are the clincher for me that it cant be copper tools alone. They were using power tools, Power doesnt have to be electricity. Living on the great river I can imagine water wheels and belt driven machines as one possibility.
@Adam-tn7yk
@Adam-tn7yk Жыл бұрын
I found the same anomalies in the British Museum. Diorite carved stone with perfect symmetry and craftsmanship but the hieroglyphs were chiseled very crudely. Clearly a different artists and highly likely some time after. They'll never admit it though. Keep up the good work.
@AncientEgyptArchitecture
@AncientEgyptArchitecture Жыл бұрын
Yup. Re-purposing/hi-jacking earlier work was a long-cherished tradition in Ancient Egypt and other cultures around the globe as well, although it does not get the attention it deserves.
@Alarix246
@Alarix246 Жыл бұрын
Yep but the polishing is one type of process, and inscribing quite another.
@AncientEgyptArchitecture
@AncientEgyptArchitecture Жыл бұрын
Eagle?? What eagle?
@trip5003
@trip5003 Жыл бұрын
@@AncientEgyptArchitecture The one on the statues back . It's right there . He talks about the wings no ?
@Alarix246
@Alarix246 Жыл бұрын
@@petem7118 you meant the falcon.
@nightstorm9128
@nightstorm9128 Жыл бұрын
What a beautiful and timeless peace of sculpture..you have to see it in the flesh to really appreciate it...
@AncientEgyptArchitecture
@AncientEgyptArchitecture Жыл бұрын
I quite agree. In fact that is my position re. most of the ruins and artifacts of ancient Egypt...they cannot be fully appreciated by reading books or watching videos, you have to go see them in person to take in the full effect.
@storiesinstone9628
@storiesinstone9628 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting analysis of this statue. I've hunted Native American Artifacts for over 50 years. I've found quartz, granite, gneiss and hematite relics with drilled holes and polished so well you can see your reflection in them. Banner stones, gorgets, pipes, discoudals and others. Many of these are 5-10 thousand years old. It never ceases to amaze me how much time and effort it would take to drill a perfect hole in a quartz banner stone. Also drilling high quality hematite must have been extremely difficult. You got a sub from me.👍♋
@AncientEgyptArchitecture
@AncientEgyptArchitecture Жыл бұрын
thank you
@imperatorcaesardivifiliusa3805
@imperatorcaesardivifiliusa3805 5 ай бұрын
Hand polishing leaves straight lines. If you are actively rubbing back and forth either with a sandstone or water and sand you'll leave tell tale vertical scratches on stone reproductions. As you go back and forth for hours. You could take this even further with sand filtered through fabric for a higher grit and remove said scratches if you wanted to.
@rossevans1774
@rossevans1774 7 ай бұрын
With everything you see from ancient Egypt once you get you head around what you are looking at, your mind begins to repeatedly alternate between 'how did they do it', then 'what did they use to do it'?
@70stunes71
@70stunes71 Жыл бұрын
Never ceases to amaze me. Incredible
@robertbrowne7880
@robertbrowne7880 Жыл бұрын
One of the simplest ways of separating by particle size with abrasives is decanting in oil. The longer you wait the finer the particles are left in suspension. It's not outside the realm of possibility they knew and used this method.
@semir_ramic
@semir_ramic Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Very interesting clues, I am realy happy that I can see those artifacts presented and examined this way. Please next time make longer videos.
@AncientEgyptArchitecture
@AncientEgyptArchitecture Жыл бұрын
We will
@peterdeans4635
@peterdeans4635 Жыл бұрын
They flattened those surfaces so they had other flat surfaces to work with(lapping) they had different types of saps or pitch they could have used to inbed diorite powder(different grades) to get the smooth finish with but they must have used some type of clear polish as well to get the glasy look. Good video my freind😊
@jb-vb8un
@jb-vb8un Жыл бұрын
finding the statue ' upside down ' .... any conjecture on how the object was moved or its weight ( looting or techtonic. ) Might there have been a thyrsus as part of its original design
@jeffreypick57
@jeffreypick57 Жыл бұрын
In Karnak, there is a large green diorite doorway, perfectly cut from a single block 8 ft tall and about 6 feet wide and over 2 feet deep to walk through. It has been polished to a glass finish. It is absolute perfection, flat with polished inside angles, similar to the boxes in the Ramasseum. Marvels we could not produce even today.
@AncientEgyptArchitecture
@AncientEgyptArchitecture Жыл бұрын
Yes, I noticed that too, also that the surrounding masonry does not seem to be of the same period or quality, as if it was built around the doorway at a much later date. (Not an unusual thing in Egypt's ancient sites)
@redwoodcoast
@redwoodcoast 7 күн бұрын
@@AncientEgyptArchitecture That was restoration work. The whole structure is cast stone concrete. Don't look to the restorers for announcements of all the things that aren't original.
@ToeCutter454
@ToeCutter454 Жыл бұрын
it was polished in the same manner that Michaelangelo's statue of Adam was polished, using a technique that has been lost since the advent of sandpaper and files and polishing compounds and various new methods, simple deduction can tell us how it was done! what material has the same rate of erosion as the material you're working on? well that's simple, the very material that you're working with! with marble polishing back in the old days they took scrap from the carving process and pulverized it into a fine powder and then mixed it with an oil or water to create a slurry and impregnated a cloth with that slurry and used that to polish and finish those statues to such a fine degree. this method works for literally any material, take the same material type and turn it into a fine powder and turn it into a slurry.
@guymustsing
@guymustsing Жыл бұрын
I particularly enjoyed your use of high magnification to dispel their rediculous copper, leather and stone dust polishing theories. The hubris and laziness of modern institutions is appauling. The dogma is so thick in modern universities, perhaps they should refer to themselves as religious institutions instead. It amazes me that egyptologists use hen scratch grafifiti applied by later egomaniac rulers to proove the origin of a an exquisite piece carved from lost technology. You would think their reputations were more important to them. So many of their theories crumble into dust with the sightest bit of analysis applied.
@lomparti
@lomparti Жыл бұрын
Ya I dont understand why they cant just say we dont know how these things were made, instead of coming up with dumb theories and presenting them as facts.
@helenamcginty4920
@helenamcginty4920 Жыл бұрын
Too many of academics especially historically never consider asking one of those manual labourers like stonemasons on how to carve and finish stone work.
@achildr1
@achildr1 Жыл бұрын
“Hubris and laziness” You give them too much credit. They’re lying. They’re hiding truths. I refuse to believe otherwise.
@MegaLivingIt
@MegaLivingIt Жыл бұрын
What s great face he had and a beautiful work of art.
@AncientEgyptArchitecture
@AncientEgyptArchitecture Жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@KerryWaldrip
@KerryWaldrip Жыл бұрын
Incredible that we're led to believe that such beautiful and precise carvings in such a hard rock were made by chisels and hammers. Science.
@bigncornfed1
@bigncornfed1 Жыл бұрын
absolutely outstanding work! Thank you.
@michael_177
@michael_177 Жыл бұрын
i dont know how this ended up on my recommended but I'm happy it was, good stuff 😁 Makes me wonder just how much manual work went into all of these incredible artifacts!? But at the same time, what work ethic were they approaching this with? Maybe they were truly thinking "well, this *is* going to last *forever*" and given the subject matter of the artwork, that gives it a whole new context to view it from the perspective of a worker/artist in ancient Egypt. What i'd give to be a fly on the wall in those times, even just for a fleeting moment
@psterud
@psterud Жыл бұрын
Great comment. Yeah, I'm sure they had some idea of the longevity of what they were creating, and clearly went to great pains to make it immaculate. I love the details on the bird, and how the tail overlaps the back of the chair. And cuticles on the toes! Stunning. I think that desire, like you said, to be a "fly on the wall" is what gets so many people into Egyptology in the first place.
@kavalkid1
@kavalkid1 Жыл бұрын
Excellent! Please continue your work!
@josephlloyd9636
@josephlloyd9636 Жыл бұрын
Amazing video. I visited the Cairo Museum about 20 years ago. It changed the way I looked at ancient history. Thank you for these points. Keep them coming. 🏆😁👍
@iamnothere6513
@iamnothere6513 Жыл бұрын
Very intriguing! Thank you!
@VinsPol247
@VinsPol247 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Thank you so much.
@mwj5368
@mwj5368 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for a great video! With all areas showing evidence of cross hatching scratches from a mechanical device as you present, and no evidence of a hand method mean maybe since 1860 August Mariette or maybe the early museum restorers used a mechanical sanding device to polish the stone smooth? What is your conclusion, or maybe you don't intend there be one? Thanks for being the only one to do the 500 times magnification study and reveal this to the world for the first time!
@jamesblenn5146
@jamesblenn5146 Жыл бұрын
If you want a material hard enough to work diorite you need only use diorite... it will require much time and a near religious dedication, but you can absolutely get laser fine details and a glass smooth polish. I feel if they had advanced tools they would have finished the chair as well instead of only putting effort into the figure
@daisydog388
@daisydog388 Жыл бұрын
Maybe chair wasnt finished just like other ancient sites like machu pichu, balbaak lebanon which show signs of work being stopped abruptly. Maybe from an ancient 12,000 year old catastrophy?
@charlesblithfield6182
@charlesblithfield6182 Жыл бұрын
Speculation about the method used to smooth the surface? This is fascinating to me as I regularly polish things and just bought a special kit of progressively finer diamond powder polish compounds. You microphotographs are very interesting.
@amberandrews6842
@amberandrews6842 Жыл бұрын
Thank You! Excellent video.
@davidcatanach2620
@davidcatanach2620 Жыл бұрын
We polish concrete to a glass like finish. We use diamond grit pads, from 30 grit up to 3000. Mostly floors with 1000lbs machines. Edges are done with a 9inch grinder with similar diamond pads.Even with diamond grit power tools it a slow and laborious process that requires a LOT of downward pressure. I can not fathom how this could be achieved by hand.
@wpriddy
@wpriddy Жыл бұрын
It can't. The thought that it was shows zero knowledge of stonework.
@johnmccafferty1192
@johnmccafferty1192 Жыл бұрын
We know somebody vitrified the forts in Scotland and elsewhere
@MagnetOnlyMotors
@MagnetOnlyMotors Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the observed polishing anomalies, always makes for interesting conjecture .
@johnnorth9355
@johnnorth9355 Жыл бұрын
Wow thank you so much for answering some of the detail that has long been missing on these artifacts and statues. There is still so much to learn.
@achilleonv
@achilleonv Жыл бұрын
The hieroglyphs are "tags" that were added later. The statue is much older than can be accredited.
@TheRealStructurer
@TheRealStructurer Жыл бұрын
So much to still explain about many things of ancient Egypt 👍🏻
@khankrumV
@khankrumV Жыл бұрын
There are many scripts and paintings done on papyrus that show how the ancient Egyptians were building and sculpting. Even the hardest stone can be cut and polished with simple tools if known the technique and have the patience.
@jeromeisaacs4428
@jeromeisaacs4428 Жыл бұрын
What Tools did they use
@gerry5134
@gerry5134 Жыл бұрын
Could they have used another piece of the same material they were sculpting ? 🤔
@Angel-Azrael
@Angel-Azrael Жыл бұрын
😂😂. Ok bro
@ophirdog
@ophirdog Жыл бұрын
Very interesting, thanks. It got me thinking. I wonder if they could have crushed harder rock like sapphire, topaz, garnet etc into differing size particles and impregnate their copper tools with it. Today, diamond dust can easily be pressed into copper disks for cutting and polishing faceted stones.
@AncientEgyptArchitecture
@AncientEgyptArchitecture Жыл бұрын
Entirely possible.
@justinanderson267
@justinanderson267 Жыл бұрын
6:03 I'm not sure how much faith you could put in those scratch patterns. Most museums keep the real stuff in back and put out a very convincing replica.
@Kiyoone
@Kiyoone Жыл бұрын
the actual pyramid is a replica.
@sa.8208
@sa.8208 Жыл бұрын
your sleeping. we cant even replicate this stuff TODAY
@rudivanrooijen7611
@rudivanrooijen7611 Жыл бұрын
Dude, it's not just clueless people that get to go to museums.....
@xisotopex
@xisotopex Жыл бұрын
@@sa.8208 yes, we can.
@NikoMoraKamu
@NikoMoraKamu Жыл бұрын
@@sa.8208 LOL
@willcarroll8438
@willcarroll8438 Жыл бұрын
This is perfect for falling sleep to. Keep them coming love it!
@GregMoress
@GregMoress Жыл бұрын
At 6:17, you can observe, with some difficulty, that there are another set of scratch marks underneath the clearly visible 'top' layer of scrath marks. The lower layer set are at more of a 45% angle. It's possible they used a very large sanding surface, perhaps powered by a person on each side, much like the old-timey saws that frontiers men would saw down huge trees with. Nice video!
@Theravadinbuto
@Theravadinbuto Жыл бұрын
I suspect they were using something more similar to long boarding, which would produce smoother surfaces than hand polishing, and this sort of scratch pattern.
@frankenfaq4706
@frankenfaq4706 Жыл бұрын
This was good brother. I'll keep watching your channel. Keep up the great work
@ottisthedog3544
@ottisthedog3544 Жыл бұрын
Great video very well put and displayed!! the average joe does not realize the man hours involved in that level of polish and/or the way you get there. i polished a lot of "draw dies" made of carbide for forming stainless steel. i would magnify the surface 800 times and had to have the "scratches" out at that level. ive done a lot of polishing, 8+ hours on an interior rectangle 5/8 x 1/2
@NikoMoraKamu
@NikoMoraKamu Жыл бұрын
Totally , the time , dedication and manpower is the real magic involved in all of those ancient works I work as a blacksmith making knives so i sand and polish a lot , and when i see that level of craftmanship in old artifacts/buildings/things I can't stop thinking about all the hours and people behind
@awildtomappeared5925
@awildtomappeared5925 Жыл бұрын
they could have just polished it by hand going back and forth in linear directions, people can polish straight, not as straight as a machine but straight enough to explain those images
@wendys390
@wendys390 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful, thank you!
@TheThunder005
@TheThunder005 Жыл бұрын
I am certainly no expert in anything here, but one thought as you mentioned polishing that is still practiced today from middle ages time period is samurai sword polishing, which is near the same hardness after hardening (around 50Rc). They polish in vertical lines with a special mud slurry and very hard small stones to prevent chipping.
@bicchu68
@bicchu68 Жыл бұрын
These types of statues were fairly common in India too and many have been found specially statues of Gods intricately carved to perfection & with a mirror polish. Even after several thousands of years you will be amazed to see the smooth polish.
@fromagefrizzbizz9377
@fromagefrizzbizz9377 Жыл бұрын
Many of the Indian temples and statues were made with soapstone. Soapstone is easy to polish, and will retain that finish for thousands of years. But you can carve it with a hard wooden stick. The truly amazing thing is that some of these temples have lasted for hundreds and in some cases over 1000 years, and vandals and tourists haven't completely destroyed them.
@jonathanraven5939
@jonathanraven5939 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely fascinating
@GAS.M3
@GAS.M3 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. Maybe the next one can be a bit longer 😁
@AncientEgyptArchitecture
@AncientEgyptArchitecture Жыл бұрын
I will try!
@suecox2308
@suecox2308 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating--thank you!
@AncientEgyptArchitecture
@AncientEgyptArchitecture Жыл бұрын
Our pleasure!
@hawkeye1370
@hawkeye1370 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting, this is the kind of investigation needed, if we are ever going to have any idea how they did amazing things like this, great video.
@sgvincent100
@sgvincent100 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating! Praise KZfaq for bringing me here! Subscribed. ✌🏼
@AncientEgyptArchitecture
@AncientEgyptArchitecture Жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard!
@EnkiTwo
@EnkiTwo Жыл бұрын
It's akin to a child writing their name on your Ferrari, and the Supreme authority on ancient Egypt saying "See, see! Sophia built this... There is her name!". Amazing that they still cling to their mistake, and refuse to accept logic. Enlightening video!
@RichardRBest
@RichardRBest Жыл бұрын
I have delt quite a bit with surface finishes and what methods it takes to obtain these surfaces. The science behind obtaining a particular finish is a science in and of itself. If you want to take this to the next level I suggest getting with Michigan Metrology. There is so much more that Don could tell you about these surfaces...
@ianr2247
@ianr2247 Жыл бұрын
Excellent form to only enlighten us with the observed facts and leave the speculation to our own particular belief patterns.
@crieff1sand2s
@crieff1sand2s Жыл бұрын
Interesting snippet on surely one of the most beautiful statues every made....👍
@lomparti
@lomparti Жыл бұрын
If they used hand polishing methods you would see dips and waves as there are soft and hard spots in all stone types so it would be impossible to maintain perfectly flat surface.
@AncientEgyptArchitecture
@AncientEgyptArchitecture Жыл бұрын
As a craftsman of many decades I know this to be the case. Flat surfaces require some kind of box jig or guide at the very least. For compound curves the challenge is far greater, and so when we observe the tendons / muscles / joints / face, it becomes obvious that a different level of workmanship was required. Hand work, if done very carefully, could certainly account for a portion but IMHO, not all of this artifacts surface.
@lomparti
@lomparti Жыл бұрын
@@AncientEgyptArchitecture I used to be a stone mason. If I could go back in time I would go back far enough to see how these things were made. lol its so fascinating. They obviously had to have some sort of tools and it mustve been fairly easy for them to make this stuff. Also just moving these blocks is another amazing feat. As you know just transporting masonry blocks creates a whole problem in trying to prevent the blocks from getting chipped or dropped or damaged in any way.
@porchcritic3510
@porchcritic3510 Жыл бұрын
Seems like the Ancient's sought to demonstrate to future civilization a confidence in their fearless choice of stone and their unmatched skill. They expected to impress. They expected that we would celebrate their mastery. They set a high bar in discipline, in difficult material, and in precision. Generations after them had a lower standard and skill set. It doesn't even exist today. Amazing.
@michaelwest8595
@michaelwest8595 Жыл бұрын
it would be interesting to compare the marks on the material to those left by a belt sander
@rogerscottcathey
@rogerscottcathey Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to more and longer videos🤓👍
@AncientEgyptArchitecture
@AncientEgyptArchitecture Жыл бұрын
Working on it!
@olliefoxx7165
@olliefoxx7165 Жыл бұрын
The stone is harder than steel!!!!! Holy cow!!! I had no idea it was such a hard stone. Thank goodness it was, that's why it's still here. Incredible, just Incredible. How do the stones in other civilizations rank to Egyptian in terms of hardness of stone used?
@mikev4621
@mikev4621 Жыл бұрын
Granite is similar
@NikoMoraKamu
@NikoMoraKamu Жыл бұрын
well depends , the thing about steel is depending on the alloy it can be heat treated to achieve different properties like hardness , flexibility , thougness etc so depending on the alloy and heat treat it can be harder or softer than that stone steel is amazing
@dmlevitt
@dmlevitt Жыл бұрын
I liked and subscribed. fantastic posts. thank you. cheers.
@dr.buzzvonjellar8862
@dr.buzzvonjellar8862 Жыл бұрын
There was an advanced civilization prior to the Younger Dryas. That statue is 25,000 to 35,000 years old. Yes, power tools and likely more advanced technology than 2022
@jasonerb2577
@jasonerb2577 Жыл бұрын
I'd guess that they used some type of cylindrical polishing method. Something like a spinning tube that had abrasive added, to achieve such straight scratch marks. This would also explain how the curved areas were achieved.
@briangenn6479
@briangenn6479 Жыл бұрын
It seems they were showing off, showing ‘us’ what skill they developed, like the huge boxes in the serapeum.
@donnamottershead491
@donnamottershead491 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video 👍Thank you
@AncientEgyptArchitecture
@AncientEgyptArchitecture Жыл бұрын
Thank you too
@gordonmculloch4904
@gordonmculloch4904 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Well worth a subscription. 👍
@AncientEgyptArchitecture
@AncientEgyptArchitecture Жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard!
@John_Redcorn_
@John_Redcorn_ Жыл бұрын
What is also fascinating with these objects is the symmetry. Its one thing to polish very hard stone that smooth, but to make each side virtually identical requires something far more advanced than just eye-balling it and sanding by hand. Many of these statues, even the giant megalithic ones, have been scanned with lasers/optical devices and they are almost exactly the same dimensions (right and left side of a face, for example). You cannot measure complex surfaces with simple measuring devices that were thought to have existed then. Even today, that kind of accuracy requires CNC machining or some type of complex computing machinery.
@AncientEgyptArchitecture
@AncientEgyptArchitecture Жыл бұрын
I have attempted to do some checking on the symmetry of the statue based on my own photo surveys of it with simple photogrammetry in photoshop, and although the method / photos are not good enough to base a paper on, the degree of similarity between the left and right sides of the face is quite close. Your comment re. the difficulty of eye-balling such work is correct, because as the scale increases it becomes more and more difficult to ensure symmetry. In Chris Dunn's book, Lost Technologies of Ancient Egypt, he presents some very carefully executed photogrammetric surveys he performed on some very large statues at Karnak, and the results show a variation of only 2-3 MM between the left and right sides of the face. This is clearly not possible to create by 'eyeballing' it. At the very least, some sort of duplicating pantograph or series of profile templates would have been required, but Mr. Dunn's conclusions go a bit further.
@dasroteklavier-svenhaarman9262
@dasroteklavier-svenhaarman9262 Жыл бұрын
It is possible to use weaker materials for cutting and polishing harder stones, if you add water and sonic. Maybe they managed to build such devices. Rough cutting with high presure water could be possible too. The materials you need for this already existed.
@johnbooth1110
@johnbooth1110 11 ай бұрын
From the isle of Naxos was a natural fine emery sand, still exported today.
@HimWhatshisname
@HimWhatshisname Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video
@tangoleftist7792
@tangoleftist7792 Жыл бұрын
It is remarkable. Prisoners have been known to cut through steel bars using dental floss, spit and sand. It takes a very long time and constant replacement of floss and sand. I can't imagine this work was done in this fashion even using incredibly small hand-powered grit drills. I am very interested to see the differences in the sarcophagus external surface polishing and the patterns left in the bottom of the hieroglyphics on it. I theorize the finish on the external surfaces will be much finer and consistent than the surfaces in the etched parts. I also think these surfaces were manufactured at different times, possibly thousands of years apart...
@OhhhBugger
@OhhhBugger Жыл бұрын
I think the dental floss thing is a myth though....it's plausible but very unlikely.
@niclasnyberg4173
@niclasnyberg4173 Жыл бұрын
So the parts that were said to be at odds with the rest of the craftsmanship, the cruddy lines and hieroglyphics, are the only parts that place it in the older kingdom. And as stated earlier in the vid the stele by the pyramids says he restored it, not that he built it. Pretty likely he just claimed the statue by "vandalizing" his name on it.
@DudesIn101
@DudesIn101 Жыл бұрын
Ima new sub to your chann because I find the content fascinating and thanks for the vids man
@AncientEgyptArchitecture
@AncientEgyptArchitecture Жыл бұрын
Welcome!
@nightwaves3203
@nightwaves3203 Жыл бұрын
The large flat surfaces are easy moving the stone being worked and polished on a granite or other surface with desired grits. Lighter grit goes further in a breeze so easy to classify. Using something like wooden boxing to guide working the stone down so a tail area is left is easy.
@AncientEgyptArchitecture
@AncientEgyptArchitecture Жыл бұрын
easy-peezy!
@johnelliott7020
@johnelliott7020 Жыл бұрын
Great video
@janbaer3241
@janbaer3241 Жыл бұрын
How about percussion of tools hammered against the stone for rough shaping and ground up diorite for polishing?
@justinbrach8754
@justinbrach8754 Жыл бұрын
That finish can be achieved by hand. Modern custom knives are typically ground with a belt grinder, then hand sanded to fine grits. The final strokes are done in a single direction because it looks better. I’m sure any expert polisher would be aware of this. This can be done with stones or abrasive powders.
@Djanck000
@Djanck000 Жыл бұрын
And i don't know what he means when he says copper can't chip a stone just because it is hard. Copper is used in flint knapping to chip away hard stones all the time. Sometimes you want it because it is soft even.
@AncientEgyptArchitecture
@AncientEgyptArchitecture Жыл бұрын
My remarks do not reference copper or bronze tools used for 'chipping' or 'knapping' granite and Diorite....but rather point out that they are inadequate for 'CARVING' , fine detail work/engraving or precision work in all minerals that have a significantly higher hardness. Anyone can use almost anything to clobber away at a rock and get some of the material to dislodge/fracture away, but creating a carefully modeled surface as a 3 axis representation of a real world subject, such as a human face, requires more subtle and carefully controlled material removal techniques. Rough sculpting via impact runs the risk of fracturing/dislodging portions of the workpiece below the plane of the desired finished surfaces, meaning that one blow could invalidate the entire sculpture while it is still in the early stages. Take another look at details such as the perfectly wrought cuticles of the toes and fingers, the shapes of the eyelids, lips and the exquisite modeling of veins and muscles. If you think these precision features can be reproduced by hammering, chipping or knapping in Diorite, I invite you to search for any modern/stonemason/carver who has done so with flint, obsidian, copper or bronze tools and post a link here to photographs of their work.
@bobwhelk2115
@bobwhelk2115 Жыл бұрын
From my research on these artifacts over the last 50 years it’s clearly obvious that these creations were not possible by humans but from other beings.
@OscarRPalma
@OscarRPalma Жыл бұрын
Beautiful
@rvvanlife
@rvvanlife Жыл бұрын
Fascinating 👍👍👍👍
@haroldmorris5901
@haroldmorris5901 Жыл бұрын
You neglected to mention that the nose on this statue has been REPLACED with a European-looking nose that is much narrower than the noses on 2 other statues attributed to him. Zoom in 150% on a profile photo to view where the 'new nose' was attached. The 'Glowing' statue of Nesi (Pharaoh) Khafre is the best-known "Anorthosite Gneiss" sculpture. The stone came from a distant Kushite quarry, it is hard to work and only moderately attractive. However, it has a rare optical property-it glows in sunlight. Its deep blue glow is caused by the presence of the iridescent mineral Bytownite. 4th Dynasty, Old Kingdom. The new nose doesn't glow.
@georgehunter2813
@georgehunter2813 9 ай бұрын
The damage patterns on 'Khafre Enthroned' are suspicious. The statue was 'found' in a remote isolated location similarly to the finding of Nefertiti's bust. Both objects exhibit unlikely damage, or lack of sufficient damage for the age and weight of the object. Both look like they were MADE to sit in museums. The Khafre nose always stuck out as uncharacteristic of ancient Egyptian statuary art. What you say makes sense. A repair gone astray from reality......unintentionally, of course. 😁 There is a large pharaoh statue with a repaired nose and it looks ridiculous. The bias looks as glaring as Hawass's overhanging tall Arabic nose. A nose never seen on any mural wall or pharaoh statue.
@farmpite
@farmpite Жыл бұрын
Interesting to note are the groves under the armpits behind the torso on both sides of the statue. Could potentially be an overcut. To "achieve this mistake" you would have to rub to surface for considerable amount of time before realising you are taking away to much material. On the contrary, using a fast spinning circular blade could result in this mistake within seconds.
@AncientEgyptArchitecture
@AncientEgyptArchitecture Жыл бұрын
whatever type of tool was used, I thought they looked suspiciously like overcuts as well.
@leounknown7316
@leounknown7316 Жыл бұрын
I remember when i was a kid in school learning about Egypt & pyramids when teacher said was made/sculpted with copper tools and polished with sand. I was like no f-ing way.
@Lion718
@Lion718 Жыл бұрын
The basalt Sarcophagus of Harkhebit which is located at the MET Museum in NYC, is one of my favorites!
@chaolan77
@chaolan77 Жыл бұрын
Do you know if this statue or one very similar with the bird on the back was ever in the museum in NY. I'm sure I saw it about 12 or 13 years ago?
@vaccinefraud5570
@vaccinefraud5570 Жыл бұрын
Archeologist scratching his head: "We have no idea how they carved or polished this... must have been ancient Aliens..." Alien scratching its head, standing next to archeologist, "Waddunt us..."
@jerrymann20
@jerrymann20 Жыл бұрын
Now this is a honest unbias narration to a great video!! Great choice of work for the video bro,this Statue predates the ancient Egyptians. The civilisation that cut, carve and transport this magnificent statue sre actually long gone,they were completely destroyed!
@JT-si6bl
@JT-si6bl Жыл бұрын
OH yeah! This wins the WWW! Excellent. We must take into account to manipulate the position of the stone to sit on a large abrasive table (to achieve that straight/fineness) would be just as difficult as innovating a tool of that size that can also be manipulated to polish at various angles. But not impossible given the size of the other stones found in and around, is still astonishing stuff. Such fine grit would leave rough/deeper kerfs (cutting lines) that you see, those are the straight lines. I can tell you from experience that those contours would need a template to work from to remain 'perfect' in proportion, because even as you see here - non-guided work wonders. With hard stone - impact tooling is a curse for later stages of work, and powered/rotary abrasive tooling is a must. Aluminium Oxide, Carborundum, Silica carbides... resins... Not a difficult bunch of substance to know how to make, especially given mummification is well practised. Chemistry (alchemy), one can assume, was the blood of this creation.
@tomnps1671
@tomnps1671 Жыл бұрын
I think it would be difficult to replicate a Diorite statue of such quality with available modern tech. If it could be done it would be very expensive.
@jonathankidwell6889
@jonathankidwell6889 Жыл бұрын
I'm sure it was very expensive back then too.
@tullochgorum6323
@tullochgorum6323 Жыл бұрын
@@jonathankidwell6889 Agreed - when you are the absolute ruler of a wealthy empire, you aren't going to skimp on producing symbols of your power! A few dozen man-years would have been neither here nor there to a Pharaoh...
@invictusfarmer7188
@invictusfarmer7188 Жыл бұрын
what about a big ol animal hyde buffing wheel powered by slaves? some unknown powder as a buffing compound. just sayin
@kobalt9948
@kobalt9948 Жыл бұрын
Why would it be difficult today? We have diamond blades and dremel tool and polishing compounds that could give those results. You would still need a skilled sculptor, but the tools would not be a problem nor or are they very expensive.
@9kingmax
@9kingmax Жыл бұрын
It was commissioned by the god emperor of the oldest and richest state that had ever existed. It was probably the most expensive.
@eliakimbenishchayil
@eliakimbenishchayil Жыл бұрын
Fascinating
@davidsparks6146
@davidsparks6146 Жыл бұрын
Good details. I would really like to know how those vases were created with handles that flow into what appears to be a lathe worked container. The handles however defy explanation.
@AncientEgyptArchitecture
@AncientEgyptArchitecture Жыл бұрын
Coming soon!
@Fuzzmo147
@Fuzzmo147 Жыл бұрын
This statue is on par with that skill set
@dr.froghopper6711
@dr.froghopper6711 Жыл бұрын
Soft copper will actually grip abrasives and can be used as files and saws. But it’s not gonna produce those regular scratch marks.
@hexadecimal7300
@hexadecimal7300 Жыл бұрын
Wow amazing. I wonder how they did it and that bilateral symetry. Great video thankyou. Absolutely subbed :)
@AncientEgyptArchitecture
@AncientEgyptArchitecture Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the sub!
@leppad
@leppad Жыл бұрын
According to your hardness stats on diorite (6.5), it can easily be polished and cut with quartz. Do you know where quartz might be found in the area?
@AncientEgyptArchitecture
@AncientEgyptArchitecture Жыл бұрын
Mostly it was sourced from the Mt. Sinai area
@DianeGraft
@DianeGraft Жыл бұрын
Sand is mostly quartz. They had lots of that available.
@RacinJsn
@RacinJsn Жыл бұрын
The carvings may look very precise but the statue itself far exceeds the quality of the carvings so I believe that the carvings are geafitti from antiquity...
@crunchycowboy3206
@crunchycowboy3206 Жыл бұрын
This absolutely fascinates me. Will we ever truly know how they accomplished many of the things they produced without modern technology (which in my opinion seem to be inferior)?
@psterud
@psterud Жыл бұрын
Probably not exactly. Just like in thousands of years, humans will not be able to know exactly how we made the microprocessors in our computers. Because we won't have a need for computers anymore.
@molekulaTV
@molekulaTV Жыл бұрын
Great vid. subscribed
@AncientEgyptArchitecture
@AncientEgyptArchitecture Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the sub!
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