Khorne Chosen Doomstack vs Knights of Bretonnia Doomstack

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@jeezjack3282 Жыл бұрын

Made a doom stack of peasants. It was a doom stack because the stack was doomed

@yannick4895 8 ай бұрын

crapstack

@stevengull6703 3 ай бұрын

A doomed stack.

@ShinForgotPassxXx Жыл бұрын

This battle just shows how good legend is at this game. watching his micro and the AI having no idea how to counter it and just running around without a plan. Taking them all out piece by piece. This is the highest of gameplays that you can watch and learn from.

@Snarkbar Жыл бұрын

Against the AI, sure. But against a human player this sort of play style wouldn't have worked nearly as well.

@km988 Жыл бұрын

@@Snarkbar no shit

@TheKillboy1000 Жыл бұрын

@@Snarkbar itd work against some people. you value the worth of human players too much.

@J_W_R_I Жыл бұрын

@@Snarkbar very hard dif AI shits on 99% of human players of this game. And legend used to be a ranked player back in warhammer 1

@nonono4160 Жыл бұрын

@@Snarkbar this kind of micro level can dab on like 90% of the players with ease.

@Kilen_BE Жыл бұрын

The real challenge with bretonnia is always keeping motivation high with time, and play tricky battles manually like this with long micro intensive efforts multiple times. It can drag you down and lose interest, long campaigns till end game can exhaust the will of play if you are not ready for this. It’s probably the main reason many players hate bretonnia. But it’s the best way to get good results and overcome legendary, and it’s a decently strong faction (specially since last buffs) when played like this… Not the strongest, but certainly not the weakest. GJ legend, bretonnia textbook victory here 👌

@etuanno Жыл бұрын

Today I had a similar issue with Skarbrand, he sallied out of a settlement I was besieging, so he was the attacker. He just blobbed up, even though he was on the attack and I tried all my tricks in the book in order to spilt his force into smaller parts (hiding, putting out only a hero, splitting into 6 or more parts, etc.), he just straight up ignored it and sent all force against one target staying in a compact formation all the time. While I could technically set a clock for the battle and he'd loose, because his attack failed, it was pretty frustrating. This strategy worked so much better in WH2.

@BadDr3ams Жыл бұрын

Bretonnia is actually very strong in the players hands but yes most players don't like....actually playing the game.....the amount of micro is minuscule compared to any other RTS as well. Doesn't require 400+ amp like other games do but requires you to do more then just watch units fly into each other

@TomPouce5931 Жыл бұрын

@@BadDr3ams you don't have to re tell your orders 30 time a second in most other RTS for your units to disengage or go where you tell them to go. You can micro yours marines in SC2 because they shoot 3 time per second. Archers in TW stops, look around ankwardly, face the ennemy, ready, aim, and thanks god the ennemy cavalry is just as irresponsive because you can finally shoot... It take a very special kind of fast patience to learn good micro in TW

@Foil09 Жыл бұрын

I've only played Warhammer 1 so far so my experience is obviously a bit different from the Warhammer 3 one. But my main dislike with Bretonnia is having to bring cavalry to siege battles and since basically every battle is a siege battle... Well... Cavalry is fun and engaging in open field battles though, I don't love cavalry micro and dealing with units constantly getting stuck after charges but it's really satisfying playing armies where you have the speed advantage.

@makislazer5118 Жыл бұрын

@@Foil09 you don't have supply lines for Brettonia, so a good idea might be to have one dedicated siege army (trebs, archers, battle pilgrims, 4-5 knights) for every 2 open field armies (knight armies). Just be careful that your siege army doesn't get caught in the open field without a knight army close to reinforce it. Or you can just do the simple thing and recruit a few royal hippogryph stacks and you are set.

@DamienHayesYo Жыл бұрын

Bretonnia would be so much more engaging if map sizes were bigger I like playing them as a fiction but I hate having to fight on tiny maps :/

@quint3ssent1a Жыл бұрын

This is a very "chivalrous" battle. Not only because there's knights on both sides, but because instead of all-out brawl it's a series of small duels between few knights when the rest of both armies just sit and watch.

@DarkCrimsonBlade Жыл бұрын

Ah yes. The classic 4v1 Brettonian duel. The lady would approve!

@KarmaPowered Жыл бұрын

I just love watching (and learning from) your cavalry battles, whether in TWWH2/3, TWM2 or Attila. Cavalry forever!

@shaulkramer7425 Жыл бұрын

This is a masterclass in Cavalry usage... well done Jeff :)

@davidhavel6242 Жыл бұрын

12:54 that fireball was determinted to do its job

@sera6680 Жыл бұрын

hi legend, i really love knight of the realm and this video make me love them even more. thank you

@inductivegrunt94 Жыл бұрын

Knights vs Chosen, Khorne vs Bretonnia, Doomstack vs Doomstack. What a glorious fight on thr onset. And with how fast Knights of the realm are it's basically "Khorne can't spill blood if they can't catch you!"

@juicemoose11 Жыл бұрын

"But Legend, you always control large army!!"

@ktvindicare Жыл бұрын

Perfect example of why Knights of the Realm are all you really need in a Bretonnia campaign. They're relatively inexpensive for how good they are, they are easy to recruit in large numbers, they only require a Knight's Vow on your Lord, and if you know how to use them they can punch very highly above their weight. You can have some higher tier armies for pushing down capitals and such, or some peasants for defending your borders, but your main armies can and should be composed primarily of these kinds of Knights.

@InternationalAwesomeFoundation Жыл бұрын

Truly, a lore-accurate moment. Well done CA, I'm sure it was intentional.

@mattews9988 Жыл бұрын

6:48 I like the way you get upset about your units not following the instructions. But... You did not give them the order to "charge" the marauders, just to walk toward them 😅

@XtecHubble Жыл бұрын

He is saying that legend gave a move order by mistake, instead of an attack order

@fiveforbiting Жыл бұрын

True, but units forget orders against routing units all the time anyway. Same behavior.

@Repus Жыл бұрын

@@fiveforbitingThey not, you must have guard mode enabled, so they don't follow units that running away

@simonstephanson9942 Жыл бұрын

He does that alot nowadays. But im pretty sure its got something to do with the way that unit ”flags” are smaller in WH3. Those things make a seasoned WH2 player go nuts

@marshallsetser6831 Жыл бұрын

Dudes microing an entire cav army. Of course mistakes will be made

@sonofangron2969 Жыл бұрын

I usually like to take out the enemy’s cavalry, siege engines and ranged infantry (in that order and level of threat), before then sandwich- and rear-charging the infantry with several divisions of knights (arranged in an arrowhead formation of three knight units in lance formation with a Lord or hero at the tip).

@8heimdall8 Жыл бұрын

like a surgeon ! piece by piece

@tyvigus312 Жыл бұрын

“Keep eating Skarbrand’s ass” - Legend, 2023

@onchristieroad Жыл бұрын

Good job Legend didn't let them "cum up his ass and finish him off".

@Tomezilla514 Жыл бұрын

Nice seeing the ole Horse Sandwich again.

@christopheroyer1019 Жыл бұрын

Great play by Legend as usual. But the AI seems broken. Especially at the beginning of the battle while taking care of the knights. The rest of the enemy forces was doing absolutely nothing! I swear in WH2 they would have started moving aggressively towards the bulk of the forces instead.

@EagleScoutmano Жыл бұрын

sometimes. Sometimes the AI in TWW2 just breaks, where the units stop responding even when engaged. XD

@jeremytan739 3 ай бұрын

Because the player is the one initiating the battle, the ai waits

@RabenKaiser Жыл бұрын

Who wanna see legend on multiplayer??? 🙋 Upvote so he sees it!

@Aethgeir Жыл бұрын

Kind of worried when Skarbrand started chasing down the damsel!

@LiquidCesspool Жыл бұрын

Worst thing about calv is trying to navigate claustrophobic Warhammer maps

@kuudanfusion629 Жыл бұрын

I didnt even see how legend commanded the knights to attack those minotaurs at 23:30 damn

@-Azure.EXE- Жыл бұрын

Brettonian cav spam is so much fun.

@Rucka_Inc. Жыл бұрын

that mic quality tho

@mofogie 3 ай бұрын

Bretonnia has always been my favorite because of their mobility. It makes playing feel like you are outmanuevering everyone, (and often are)

@pascaldifolco4611 Жыл бұрын

How to peel Skarbrand army like an onion ^^

@franklinclinton3211 11 ай бұрын

i feel like they need to make the a.i. diffrent for every faction or something similar

@felixspeer2699 Жыл бұрын

Blood for the Blood God Comment for the algorithm!

@tommyservo9660 Жыл бұрын

This is why I never used cavalry.

@grammaton3773 Жыл бұрын

6:48 LOL

@EthanHKR1994 Жыл бұрын

FYI Legend, I was trying to turn on notifications for your channel, but it says this is disabled along with other features as it's a "made for kids" channel. I don't know if you are aware of this already, but if you are then please ignore. Its a bit annoying that I can't turn on notifications though! (Although I check your channel every day anyway so not a huge problem for me!)

@SloulDesTucs Ай бұрын

What about Wedge? Is it bad?

@asdfomfglol 10 ай бұрын

How would you play this against players?

@SilverforceX Ай бұрын

Out-micro them. Damsel should have Dwellers to punish blobs.

@Ssm19494 Жыл бұрын

I wish you’d upload in 1440 😢

@fried2styles Жыл бұрын

Great video, Legend!! One question: do you ever play against other humans? I'd love to see you torture a living enemy! LOL

@calebsmith7633 Жыл бұрын

Horse sandwich!

@TheDrexxus Жыл бұрын

Big Cavalry armies just aren't very fun to play IMO. Too much time and too much work. Meanwhile other factions you can more or less set-and-forget and just let them autokill most enemy forces. It's really too bad you can't get a Riders of Rohan kind of cavalry that just smashes through enormous clumps of infantry without ever being slowed down or hung up.

@ListenAndDie Жыл бұрын

Grail knights/guardians are exactly what you described, though you get them pretty late in the campaign

@EagleScoutmano Жыл бұрын

@@ListenAndDie they don't have nearly enough mass for what he's describing; the closest I would say is actually the wood elves' monstrous cavalry unit....

@tomshraderd4915 Жыл бұрын

@@EagleScoutmanoThey have been buffed in the latest patch to behave more like monstrous cavalry. They can now mow through infantry without stopping.

@digiorno1142 8 ай бұрын

Dude the reason he’s micromanaging so hard is because he’s using the knights of the realm which are literally tier 3 cavalry units. If he had grail knights or hippo knights he could’ve done exactly what you said.

@blakehall9391 Жыл бұрын

tactics > units, within reason

@Rubyreth Жыл бұрын

um…..the sandwich is so good….

@GabeOutOfOffice Жыл бұрын

Legend keeps using the damaged knight unit, it is stressing me out 😅

@czarix8699 Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, good old TW Attila

@ErikaWeiss633 Жыл бұрын

This, this is why I absolutely do not recruit cavalry. He's using more micro on five units than I have the capability of with an entire army. I thrive in defensive engagements with artillery, missile units, and magic (Hence, why Chaos Dwarfs and Cathay are my mains in campaign, with Dwarfs and Skaven being second place), but give me a cav unit and I WILL lose it. At most, I'll use it to distract an enemy force and sacrifice it because the vast majority of my attention is on the main engagement. The culmination of my cav tactics are charging them in and letting them fight it out, the opposite of what you want to use them for, but I just don't have the mental capacity to do anything else. One of main exceptions is ironically flying cavalry, like Doom Knights and Longma Riders (Even though they're trash in campaign imo) which I use only for taking out artillery. After that, I don't use them again.

@christiandauz3742 Жыл бұрын

Oda clan most OP and very beginner friendly in Shogun 2!

@ErikaWeiss633 Жыл бұрын

@@christiandauz3742 Already played and am done with Shogun 2.

@digiorno1142 8 ай бұрын

These are just mid tier cav, higher tier cav like grail knights do not need nearly as much micro and can mow through infantry

@ErikaWeiss633 8 ай бұрын

@@digiorno1142 Certainly, until a unit of elite halberds and anti-large missiles and monsters jump them.

@digiorno1142 8 ай бұрын

@@ErikaWeiss633 Not really

@snakenerdgamer1 Жыл бұрын

There was a time where A.I. was not pasive until you atack. This is a joke sadly...

@onurseven82128 Жыл бұрын

Knights of realm spam isn t a doomstack ,they are good cavalry but this is all

@SilverforceX Ай бұрын

Questing Knights so much better at tier 3 with their high stats & AP dmg.

@redcandle1498 Жыл бұрын

Thirst

@varagianafro9755 Жыл бұрын

stop using the same knights at the start of the battle, rotate them with healthy and fresh units

@GrrillaFinger Жыл бұрын

Naahhhhh

@varagianafro9755 Жыл бұрын

@@GrrillaFinger yea just keep throwing low hp models for more losses... bruh

@GrrillaFinger Жыл бұрын

@@varagianafro9755 he did alright

@dreadreaver55 Жыл бұрын

@@varagianafro9755 imagine being bad at the game.

@techpriestsalok8119 11 ай бұрын

I think it’s so sad that Bretonnia got done dirty by TWW’s mechanics and interactivity. TWW has truly terrible and (more importantly) unrewarding micro, I play SC2 and actually somewhat enjoy its micro because it’s responsive and I don’t feel like I’m fighting the game, which is the case with TWW3. On the other hand very few strategy games nailed the power of a monster crashing into a line of infantry or a line of guns blasting your enemies into peices quite as well as TWW3. So of course a faction without either of those things and which exemplifies the worst of TWW3 is very unpopular. Never mind that the most vocal group and a large portion of the player base are at least a little into warhammer fantasy, in which brettonia was also very unpopular. On the other hand if they made the game faster, more responsive, and actually made cavalry charges devastating in the same way they were in real life I think bretonnia might actually become fairly popular.

@freddiemehrcurry428 Жыл бұрын

Second First

@NuStiuFrate Жыл бұрын

I love the channel but i have to admit i'm starting to lose interest in the videos because the AI is so passive and broken. In wh2 it was way less passive so you could get visually pleasing combat more often, even if it was still dumb as rocks.

@meatloaflookalike23 Жыл бұрын

First

@NHGeneral Жыл бұрын

the battle shows the AI is very bad, cannot use this tactic against human opponents.

@hai.nguyen995 Жыл бұрын

This video is why I dislike Bretonnia: - Very strong army, a slog to play, doesn't have other strats than cav spam (on higher difficulties) - Kinda dependent on map/AI behaviours. Picking on brain dead AI is fun once in a blue moon, not every battle. - No replenishment whatsoever. IIRC Bret only has 1 way to increase replenishment rate which is a follower that give whopping 3% increase, only works when equipped on Lord and only has a chance to drop on loss/draw. Doesn't help that your enemies are in red territories so it's a grindfest from start til finish. CA updated bret solely on battle and completely ignore the issues with their campaigns, and it won't be addressed anytime soon so bret will stay boring just like they did in W2.

@DIEGhostfish Жыл бұрын

Caster heroes give replenishment these days.

@morgothbauglir8706 Жыл бұрын

@@DIEGhostfish ah yes because replenishment fixes their other important issues

@hai.nguyen995 Жыл бұрын

@@DIEGhostfish Yeah my bad is miss that, still not enough since their tech or lords' skills don't give any last I checked. Still having to go to red territories negate that (+30 vs -50 iirc). I think this is the big issues because every fight has to be efficient or you just get grinded down, can't auto resolve easy battle cuz it nukes 1/3 of my army, can't yolo charged into shit unit cuz cheat and lobsided damage etc. Guess I'll just stick with gangbang Fay in the meantime.