He was talking about new players and tekken 8 style Lee, he sucks off Lee players as much as Bryan and Kazuya players.

Yh his complaints seem like he doesn’t like the way tekken 8 gameplay is reduced to 50/50 brain dead gameplay which is pretty much every char in this game now

@@Miirioyou hypocrite its all characters now ay? 😂

@@larevolution13 hypocrite???

hes says that about bear players too. So untrue in that aspect. Bear players have to learn the match up in order to get wins.

how is it that tekken 8 became worse balance wise than t7

​@swagmoney850 they didn't have a year's worth of arcade testing before they put the game out on ever other platform

Thanks for clarifying. I was about to ask if anyone actually bothered listening to TMM's video because it seems like a lot of people really think he was complaining about the character. They just read the title and make assumptions with their 2 collective braincells.

They didn't listen to the player base and have no idea what they're doing​@@swagmoney850

T8 Lee had me quitting Tekken 8 its so sad

Spittin 🌹🗿

Funny for a JoJo fan to be talking about style when getting glazed by another STYLELESS JoJo fanbaby.

@@InfiniteStyler you have a Kurama pfp and that ain't any better Edit: That ratio made me bust lol

@@InfiniteStyler of course a furry ninja would say something like this

Lmaooo every lee player I’ve come across qi charges

Wouldn’t say lobster but we are fead well 😂

@@justin200310068y’all gon be eating lobster the next patch tho

@@seanbrown7083 that’s the plan man lol

Get fed on a bottom feeder😂

Looks like our meal wasn’t as good as I thought lol

That’s the problem I kinda have with this game it enforces too many 50/50s but there are some ways to reduce this

"You wanna poke with Jack? man shut yo dumbass up here have a stance with no lows in it so you cant even mix nobody. better yet go play Zafina or some shit, damn"

lee shouldnt have b+3,3 in the first place its against the identity the character once had

@@Nico-tz7ut Same shit can be said about tons of other characters, so your point is literally invalidated by the game we are in.

@@IzNebula no its not, they ruined like 80% of characters in that game, lee is one of them

It's annoying to deal with lows that are +4, chunky and track both ways.. if it would track to one side then I wouldn't say a word against it

Yeah that’s Lee’s OG game plan, to lame you out using acid storm and b4 while timing CH D3’s, ff4, etc.

Soooooooo much fun def top in drip and fun😤😤

@@eoStormy excellent!

🙂

same with jin, a character with an average male body that you can't punish almost all of his lows with ws23 burst

It’s inconsistency is consistent. Generally, if heat burst whiffs on a low, it’ll whiff on that low everytime.

Mfs often start yelling before even watching the vids

You’re doing the invented argument thing? Start of the video TMM says most Lees have brain rot, Miirio even agrees afterward? There’s no OP claim in the video as I recall

😭😭😭that's what i'm saying

"There’s no OP claim in the video as I recall" = " TMM at no point said Lee is OP or Braindead" bruh

“But because you guys are so defensive of your character u literally invent arguments no one made” man foh😂😂 u mention even the slightest negative thing about kazuya to TMM he’ll start meat riding him harder than jun ever did

He is completely right btw, if you are learning Lee and try to play him with b3,3 wr3,4 f2,1 d4,4 you wont learn the character and will be stuck, if you do want to learn lee properly you actually do have to learn how to do timing, keep out, correct punishment etc

I don't get how those are mutually exclusive. Why not just learn his entire kit and his timings. Then again most players don't think.

​@blahblahgdp He said learn old Lee "FIRST" Dude. He even said in the end to put T8 Lee on top of your T7 Lee foundation to have a dangerous Lee.

@@blahblahgdpBecause those tools are cheesy at lower levels and net you easy wins. New Lee players will overly rely on these tools to the detriment of the rest of his kit, and will find themselves lacking critical knowledge.

TMM has said in the past that Lee is one of the most dumbed down characters in T8, so I don't really agree with this

What was ur character and rank when U fought tmm?

@@saadlakho5888sorry late reply, i think i was either TKing, TEmperor or TGod, pretty sure Emperor and Lee vs his Bryan

?? So don't use your tools given and shoot yourself in the foot for... mainman coins?

​@@blahblahgdpTMM is saying that you should learn lee fundamentals first before using his gimmicks, as if you start with his gimmicks you're shooting yourself in the foot later on

@@blahblahgdpCause you'd rather be a samurai in a garden than a gardener in a battle field. Even if you win off of your t8 cheese tools the moment you make it to high rank you're gonna meet people who know your cheese and you just lose game after game. It's better to lose a lot while learning the fundamentals rather than win alot while learning nothing

+5 low with good range that doesn’t do much damage and is launch punishable. Is that really nerf worthy considering what some other characters have?

it doesnt need a nerf, slide is terrible in this game

why would it need a nerf? people say everything needs a nerf, if they nerf b33 then they should nerf all of hwoarangs mix up strings too, if they nerf everything, people are just going to tier whore even more because these side characters that aren't even problematic are going to be nerfed into being less viable

Are you stupid. Tmm is the king of calling Jin broken

Yeah you wrote all of that essay just for multiple pro, top 8 on average players to say that Kaz isn't viable for tournaments. Keisuke got to Grand Finals with Kaz and everyone praised him for it, i don't see any of that reaction to characters like Drag or Feng or Shaheen making it to top 2 😮‍💨

Do you understand nuance?

@@noidsuper do you understand that tekken is all about unga bunga right now? lol. anyway you'd want to learn by just playing and learning yourself.. listening to anybody is just gonna limit yourself

Adoptive brother***

(HOW) lee mains play, you get it now?

@@roppapalmu789 But roppapalamu789! You can talk shit about (HOW) anyone fuckin plays in Tekken 8

He is just saying that people don’t know how the character is supposed to be played genuinely which is keep out, spacing, and CH timings

@@satsu3098 that's not the point right now..

he wasn't talking trash on Lee, he was talking trash to people that play a rushdown tekken 8 with Lee

​@syaredzaashrafi1101 Rushdown tekken is the name of the game now, the hell do you mean?

@@michaeljakeem5009it’s gon be the next of the game but this upcoming patch is changing things

@@michaeljakeem5009 play the game bro. play ranked match. with the new introduction to heat burst and better power crush & grab mechanic, it's so easy to get away with everything. u can just spam with it. seeing new players just mashing button and not learn about matchup it's just so dissapointing. for example a ranked match against Law, you always duck the second string of Law's 3+4, 4 right? in higher ranked people will always duck that but in lower ranked not all players will duck that cuz they are new to the game and not know matchup. but based on my experience playing on Tekken 8, nobody in the lower ranked ever duck that string. it's so disappointing cuz even in lower ranked in tekken 7 people duck that but not in tekken 8. heck you seen 3ddy with his 33333, so dissapointing to see new players aren't ducking that 3ddy strings. if that 3ddy strings exist in tekken 7, i bet people even in lower ranked can duck that. and not to mention about not punishing properly. is just disappointing on the way tekken 8 teaches you to play the game because of how easy to win match without proper fundamentals.

No way you haven't seen any Shaheen or Law?

You can step Kazuya's sweep and his 50/50 in general, you have options even after knockdowns in T8.. Nothing wrong with kazuya at all you lee mains are brain root

Someone got hellsweep'd 4 times LOL. The thing is Kazuya doesn't have rush down he only has his 50/50. If you get hit by vortex thats your fault. You can literally side roll and stay on the ground to counter 2/3 out of his usual Okizeme (FF3 and hell sweep, even FF4 if he rushes the input when your oll) 😂

Ain’t you got 2k VC points to be grinding

ur new here? his intro is literally Lee

@@shafir2 I coulda sworn he was a law user

@@Dragoncannon4 he does play law

All Murray needs to do is give us the old slide back and nerf b3,3. Then we won’t spam it in the neutral

Its really interesting. Everyone who plays Kazuya gets mad at TMM because he keeps saying Kazuya is strong. Everyone who doesn't play Kazuya says he downplays the character. Very interesting. Makes sense.

In the moment live reacting to his vid it was hard to tell what exactly his complaints was about. But I understand that it’s the new T8 gameplay of 50/50 he doesn’t like

@@Miiriocan’t even blame you dawg tmm can sound like such a cope master sometimes that it sounds like he’s complaining abt smth while he’s doing the opposite lmao

Mad? Who’s mad?? lol

​@@biggestman123 him!! he is mad. ffs can't you see how mad he is? he is really mad.

@@syaredzaashrafi1101 😂😂 he big mad right

​@@syaredzaashrafi1101No, you seem mad though

It’s an r-worded opinion because he’s crying about playing Tekken 8. It’s not Tekken 7 anymore, backdashing and keep out for full rounds doesn’t work anymore. You’re literally FORCED into rush down, landing a ff3 or df4/4 puts you in uncanceable heat dash (and the opponent has one too). I don’t remember TMM being this dogbrained

@@TruthAndReconciliationthat’s the crazy part y’all only take a piece of what he says out of context and run with it lol. He said master tekken 7 lee and then apply the offensive tekken8 bullshit on top of it to get maximum efficiency. Some of y’all either have comprehension problems or are just too defensive when someone calls you out. It’s actually sad.

@@biggestman123 the crazy part is it’s bad advice. Tekken 7 lee does not work in a game where heat dashes exist. Why would you spend 100+ hours mastering the wrong playstyle? The only remotely relevant thing he said was “land your just frames and pickups”, which every lee above red ranks knows.

@@TruthAndReconciliation I dont see how fundemental Lee play dont work in combination with the new stuff. There is nothing wrong with what he said.

@@biggestman123 Tekken 7 Lee was a defensive keep out character. That doesn’t work in Tekken 8. It makes about as much sense as saying “Learn Tekken 7 Steve before Tekken 8 Steve”. I sympathize with him that Tekken 7 Lee required much more finesse and timing, but it is not optimal in T8.

Feng profile Pic lmfao hypocrite