True

After chapter 5 he didn't give a shit about any of them

Its so sad how Dutch corrupted the gang and ruined everyone

​@@justice_of_KZfaq hi💊

@@gixnlucagaming why the pill?

Lol

Colombia*

ARTHUR WE CAN TAKE A BOAT FROM NEW YORK TO AUSTRALIA ARTHUA WE JUST NEED MORE NOISE I HAVE A GODDAM PLAN

If you did the early mission (Arthur fishing with Dutch, chapter 2 I think. The camp in the swamps but not the house) Javier says that he will always be loyal to Dutch no matter what happens, and that Arthur should too because of how good Dutch was to them growing up.)

@@donthaveaname1086to be fair he’s been with dutch the least was eating out of garbage cans before him and he’s younger than them he prob had big qualms “biting the hand that fed him”

Yeah

You just said yourself what happened, they were once brothers who fell out bc of personal differences and lifestyle changes and it all came crashing down the moment John fell off the train and was subsequently left behind by not just Dutch and Micah, but Javier as well. People somehow forget where Javier was during the last train heist

Idk I felt like bill and Arthur had more moments

I get what you aiming for, but still after rdr 2 it’s painful

Lol he doesn't tear up. Shut up and stop copying other wrong things. The worst thing about the rdr community are a hive mind, everyone copies each others misperception

@@IndoJordy I know, it breaks my heart. Especially after their interaction in chapter 6 where Javier says to John that he’s an arrogant son of a bitch but I think it’s better to end it yourself then let your brother hang, alone, with no sense of freedom

@@justice_of_KZfaq trust me pal I ain’t no part of the “hive mind”. My takes and opinions are far different from the average RDR fan and me saying John tears up wasn’t something I saw online, just something I noticed while replaying the game on my Xbox One

Hes gonna die anyways lol

Exactly bro people see this cutscene and act like he’s reaching out to John and that John is the cold one, casually forgetting that line alone that shows he’s not just willing to betray Bill but he’s lying to John about Dutch bc Dutch was never in Columbia, he was up near Tall Trees in hiding. He’s manipulating John the entire cutscene and John isn’t buying into any of it

he was buying time to take John by surprise by playing on his lust for revenge. He wasn't gonna wait for John to accept. Besides, Dutch at the time wasn't in Colombia but in Blackwater. Javier was doing the exact opposite of giving him up.

Columbia,SC.

​@@Piensamalyacertaras yeaaa don't think they were talking about some random town in south Carolina lol

Youre right, hes actually talking about british columbia. ​@@red4253

@@Piensamalyacertaras He said ''Colombia'' not ''Columbia'' Colombia is a country in south america

@@red4253Columbia is the capital of SC, not some random town

Yeah me 2

It's not just Ross. Javier had done way too much to just sit in a jail cell for the rest of his life. Had he ve captured back in rdr 2, they would've hung him

Well depends on the situation and how much Javier is willing to rat. But let’s be real I am being optimistic here.

@@Mentelgen-1337if ross ends up betraying john and killing him after everything he did for him then he for sure killed Javier

like i said optimism. @@kaiserwave5977

i wish john would have acknowledged some of that in red dead redemption. like to show that he forgives javier because he knows that he was a good man and it were just the circumstances in the end

​@keine ahnung dikka well rdr2's story was being written after rdr1 was published, so they counted really do that

If you look at the scene where Dutch, Micah, Bill and the gang pointing their guns on Arthur and John, you can notice Javier is the only one on Dutch side to put his gun up to the sky… sad details but shows how confused he must be at the moment :(

​@@Thykault Its because the voice actor of Javier told the developers not to aim at Arthur and John

Yeah

I thought it was the government people who killed John in RDR1 ending?

@@yol_n yeah it was but the government were working with John then betrayed him and there deal and killed Jim

He doesn’t have a choice so no I don’t think he regrets doing something he’s already forced to do. If anything it’s easier that it’s him bc of how Javier left him to die in the train heist, this is why John is so cold towards him bc he doesn’t forgive him for how he betrayed him. John would have way more internal struggle if he was tasked to find any of the good gang members that never betrayed him

@@yol_n It was the government ur right, I guess he’s just saying Javier foreshadowed his demise with that comment, not that Javier had anything to do with his death

@@josephstalin2606 If Javier helped John in rdr2 he would’ve been killed by Dutch or atleast that’s what he was afraid of and shows it towards the very end although he dosent point his gun at Arthur and John, there’s also that scene where if John kills Javier he sheds a tear when he throws him in the cell.

And micha I guess

Javier wasnt on the train. Bill was. But even then it was most likely discussed amongst all of them to let Arthur and John die if they had the chance, thats why they were the only ones to board the train at the start.

Javier was literally riding with Dutch when he said he went back for John what are you talking about

@@HEYLETZPLAYZ micah"

He’s literally one of the men that DID go back for him, that’s why John says that in the first game 😂 U act like just bc Javier was cool and respected Arthur even at the end he automatically had that same exact relationship with John when he clearly didn’t, by the end of rdr2 he hates John. Also I’m pretty sure it was planned ahead of time to let John and/or Arthur get killed and not help them, notice how Dutch sends both of them to secure the very back of the train?

Ikr 😞

Lol john is good at roasting 😂

It also was completely accurate since he literally had one day in there and he went to Ross and was executed

Probably the greatest arc in all of rockstar

He actually does, everyone just ignores it for some reason. Just before the shooting starts you can see him aim right at Arthur

@@user-hx6gs9rq7u Perhaps it changes with low/high honor because right before the Pinkertons bust in on Beaver Hollow I specifically remember seeing Javier with his gun lowered, glancing between Dutch and Arthur like he was nervous, while Dutch, Bill and Micah all had their guns aimed.

@@Oswald_Thatendswald It doesn’t, on the last shot before you go back into gameplay pause and you can see Javier aiming right at Arthur

@@user-hx6gs9rq7u Not what I saw.

@@Oswald_Thatendswald Well I got a video on my channel showing it

Yeah it did feel out of character

I suppose they had to make him side with Dutch in RDR2 because he had to, considering his appearance in the first game. The fact he was so likeable in RDR2 makes the betrayal hurt that much more

in a way he didnt side with dutch if you look again when arthur confronts micah and they start pointing guns at each other you can see him hold his gun up he wasnt pointing it at nobody i guess after the fallout between the gang happened and he separated he began to go insane

​@@EchoingswaveofArtsin the original script he was holding his gun at Arthur but the voice actor for Javier said that he wouldn't do that as he sees Arthur like a brother so they reanimated it to where his guns in the air

No, otakes sense, dutch is essentially a cult leader and heavily indoctrinated Javier with stories of chivalry and freedom. Dutch's head injury change him started becoming undone. I can see that and loser Hosea would traumatize his to fugeing hard to cope with everything that happened.

Javier was still a bad person and deserved to die. It doesn't matter if he was better than other bad people, he never tried to redeem himself like Arthur or John. He continued to take advantage of and kill innocent people.

@@TheAmishTechSupport I don't doubt it. That was another reason for me to capture him alive to let the justice decide his destiny.

​@@wolvesgabemaster5385ah yes😂

​@@TheAmishTechSupportyou might be right

So did y’all forget he’s literally one of the guys who “went back” for John and came back empty handed? Javier just stands in the background silently, no expression on his face, as Dutch and Micah blatantly lie about John being killed. This is literally what John confronts him on when he sees him again in rdr1. It’s like u guys don’t pay attention or something just bc Javier had like 2 cutscenes where he was a cool guy to Arthur 😂

Yeah you right, I couldn’t do it tbh, especially not after rdr 2

@@IndoJordy Meh if you ask me it feels more necessary to kill him.

@@spider-manunknown9193 I always keep him alive, prefer the dialogue and cutscene that way. He definitely gets hanged anyway, so it works for me.

​@@cumswag1222 he couldve still lived tbh

​@@IndoJordyI prefered killing him after RDR2, cos he sided against Arther in last mission.

kinda? he was nice and so loving sadly dutch fucked him up in the end when arthur confronts micah and they all start pointing guns at each other you see javier not pointing his gun at arthur or john which showed how much he cared obviously tho after the fallout of his family aka the gang ig he just lost it not long after

@@EchoingswaveofArts He left John behind dude wym? The reason he didn’t point a gun at the end is bc the VA didn’t want to be a bad guy and fought to have Javier point the gun up instead, so they gave in and did that to add more to his character but he betrayed John already, he doesn’t point bc Arthur is there and he still respected him but John? He fell out with him already and hated him which is why he says nothing when Dutch lies about John being killed

he was a bitch in RDR 1

Ah yes. Javier spends a whole 12 years just being confused. Javier sinply wanted to survive after the gang broke apart and decided to become a contract killer for the very government he went against for a decade. He didn't like John and only wanted to manipulate him in order to survive, turning into something similar to Micah.

@@myaltaccountthatiwillbarel2288 that could be true as well.

​@@myaltaccountthatiwillbarel2288no reason to be snobby

@@channel45853 I don't think I am.

And then spat on him after remembering the betrayal.

@@lucasmartinez5703 true🤣🤣🤣

Tears of joy 😂

Javier was a survivor in both games. Javier abandoned John with Dutch and Micah in their last train robbery that hurt John. Javier abandoned Dutch to save himself when Pinkertons came to the camp. Javier did things out of his own survivalism. He used to care about survivalism of the gang but by the end he only cared about his own.

@@petermj1098 I disagree

The first game shouldn’t need to be remade over things the second game messed up

@@user-hx6gs9rq7uso giving someone more character is a mess up

⁠@@Koichi-KunWriting a character to be nothing like they were described is a mess up

no

@@9cross explain

​@@ArthurMorgan281It is a very negative change that he underwent, but quite real. The people we know tend to change and often for the worse depending on what they have had to live through. Surely the dismantling of the gang was a very hard blow for Javier, In addition to the fact that the Mexican Revolution was taking place in 1911, Javier very possibly went through situations in his life that ended up negatively affecting his personality by not having His old family by his side. A negative change, but quite realistic.

You do realize rdr1 came out first

Why should they remake this game which is already perfect just because the second game fucked things up?

what does it mean? i know zero spanish does it mean bitch?

You liked hunting him down ?

@@IndoJordy yes, i hate him. He was incredibly arrogant to john and arthur and blindly defended everything dutch did

Yeah in ch 6

@@justice_of_KZfaq to be fair when Dutch found him and accepted him into the gang he was starving, barely knew English, and fled Mexico cause he was wanted there too, and when everyone pointed their guns at John and Arthur Javier pointed his in the air still having feelings for them

what he said ^ javier wasn't evil and he didn't outright hate anyone who didn't side with dutch, i more saw him as a person with a hard decision to make in the moment the gang was splitting up, and since dutch did save him when he found him, it's obvious he would side with the person that saved him. it does seem kinda uncharacteristic for him to hope that john and his family rots in hell, but I'll take it because they didn't fully flesh out what kind of character he'd be in rdr2 so they just wrote him off as your typical baddie outlaw, or it could be he built up resentment to those he thought brought down the gang (aka like when dutch talks about how he kept thinking john was a snake in rdr2) so he probably had a lot of time to think about those previously like john which explains the extreme comment towards him and his family

Same but tbh I don’t think it’s that John can’t bring himself to kill them, for instance Bill dies regardless and it’s better for John to do it then Reyes who doesn’t even know Bill or care about him, and John doesn’t seem to regret executing Bill

Yeah, but also Dutch was the leader so it makes sense

John didnt wanna kill any of his old gang members He was forced to hunt them down by Ross.

I mean, Ross was holding captive his entire family. I wouldn't have had any problem killing my old friends who left me for dead to save my family either.

@@dinorex3464 That’s what i’m saying, they betrayed me so i’d go for them if my family was taken 😂

if you look closely, Javier actually aims his gun at the sky when they confront at the end, not at John and Arthur

No? He left John for dead in RDR2

Ryder betrayed the gang cause the voice actor left , and Javier betrayed the gang cause of his loyalty to Dutch

He wasn’t gonna sell out Dutch bc he’s literally lying about him being in Columbia 😂 He’s just saying that to John hoping it lowers his guard and that then he can use that moment to try and kill John or escape like a coward (most likely the latter). But he 100% would’ve given up Bill, in fact he literally does the moment you capture him 😂

Frankly, that don't mean too much since he still left John to die and left with Dutch.

He literally does aim his gun at Arthur and John, just slowly.

​@@lucasmartinez5703 pretty sure he and Bill leaves the gang when Arthur and John enters the cave.

Wiping the side of his face doesn’t mean he’s crying

No he doesn’t. Not anymore. Don’t ignore everything Javier did to John, his family, and Arthur in the end of chapter 6

Alot can happen in 12 years to change a man. By the time the events of RDR1 took place, Javier became a cold-hearted mercenary no longer held back by his conscience. The only good trait of Javier left by then was rescuing Bill (his old family) & providing him safety in Mexico.

i showed in reddit WITH A PHOTO that Javier actually pointed the gun to marston and ppl downvoted my post like hell lmao is not hard to accept the reality(anyway i didnt kill him bc canonically john didnt kill any of them 3 by himself)

@@adrierreemeese yeah people will believe the stupidest shit just cause of their feelings. Reddits is like the worst place for that. Especially for normal people. Stay Hard my brother

the chase the people who shot john and arthur was cleet , joe , micah and dutch

@@v0lddr3amz666 Javier was with them bro. He was shooting too.

@@CoolBeansYoFohShizzleno he wasn’t bro and neither was bill rewatch the scene it was just Micah, Dutch, Cleet and Joe who were the ones shooting, after the pinkertons showed up Javier and Bill ran off and went their own ways

He deserves it though

@@justice_of_KZfaq yeah youre right, but bill and dutch deserved worse, but died free compared to what a poor following dog like javier got

@@ilikepigeons6101 bill was just dumb and misguided, i don't hate him as much. Javier was a more subtle micah

@@justice_of_KZfaq i hate bill cuz he ran a gang of degenerates in this game

@@ilikepigeons6101 Yeah people forget how violent and cruel him and his gang were. Worse than the O'Driscolls

FBI not pinkertons

@@user-hx6gs9rq7u Technically BOI.

I dont think so

No. Javier was lying to save his skin.

But he did save johns life once

@@IndoJordy That’s why I wait for him to give a reason to shoot him. Noise pollution causes climate change

He aims at Arthur just before the shooting starts but everyone ignores it for god knows what reason

FBI not pinkertons

@@user-hx6gs9rq7u And?

He aims at Arthur just before the shooting starts but everyone ignores it for some reason

Wiping the side of his face doesn’t mean he’s wiping a tear