Daniel Weston cool, go for it! :)

The NK60 is almost as large as my main tractor ( Ford 9030 ) - looking at the DK4510 HS - must say the access to service items is outstanding . . . . also the salesman seemed very into the Kiota even through they carry several brands

Well, just fyi I was as objective as I could be and I owned them both side by side. Deere is a good product, but it was much more expensive for sure. Do a Little research on Daedong from S Korea.. I was impressed.. Now, as far as longevity and trade in, I can't comment on that. Although I took a beating on selling my 4720.. I believe that Kioti is where Kubota was 20 years ago; they are still very much up and coming. I've also used a Kubota once and did not like how it felt overall... Good luck, whatever you decide! I'm not sure if the 5200 is a cab or not, but I definitely recommend a CAB, no matter what you buy :). It will cost more, but unless you live in California or some very stable, arid climate you will truly enjoy it much more with a cab..

@@kapperoutdoors I like experiencing the elements, most of the time - isolated in a cozy cab seems counter-intuitive for hard outdoor nature work ( :

Thanks, I appreciate it. Good luck if/when you do. That Kioti is still working hard :)

Thank you, glad I could help. Looking back I wish I did a more thorough job on laying it all out side by side, but it seems like a lot of people got the idea and facts that I did present.

Generally the more expensive the machine the more difficult to work on. At least that's what I noticed.

kubota is the same way. easy maintenance..and easy fix.. waaay cheaper also.

That,s the reason i don,t work with JD, NH, Fendt! Kubota ,Iseki, Kioti are easy to maintain and to repair!

yes, and it goes even further with something called 'planned obsolescence' the world aristocracy views us as slaves/livestock/beasts of burden and has things organized to make us dependent rather than independent

Well, I am not surprised they are a well made tractor. Good luck with yours! I've now moved up to an RX7320, love it. Thanks.

+Mark Bow Thanks Mark, yes, I believe that same thing. When I spoke with the owner of the Kioti shop he told me they've specifically built them with owner maintenance in mind. And it shows for sure. It used to tick me off with the Deere sometimes at how it really felt like they've never done much 'real world' testing, because it only took me a matter of hours to come up with what would have been simple, and effective changes! One of the big things that I forgot to mention on Kioti was the outside lever to raise/lower the 3 pt. DAH.....!! Seems so simple (And I use it all the time!), yet Deere couldn't figure that out?? I've heard though lately that Deere is working on some of these simple things...

+Kapper maybe Deere ,Yamaha and the others will realize this before it's to late. I'm not sure I will buy another Yamaha product knowing what I know now.

yeah, alot of Deere fans won't watch my channel because of my experiences and opinion on Deere... I just call it like I see it and try to be objective..

Martin Rademakers glad I could help. best wishes and good luck!

Considering this exact model. Do u like it?

I hear you, the Kioti has been a beast. I bet you can handle all of that land with a few small hand tools! lol

nice comment. as for "bad back", consider that your leg muscles directly effect the back…often muscles contract in places and do not release properly… I pulled my back and got a "rumble roller" and 2 "miracle balls"…both really inexpensive and use gravity…as soon as I worked on legs the back felt 100x better...

Thanks man. Yeah I am pretty impressed with 'most' of the Korean made tractors, they have been doing it alot longer than we have!

See my comments above about Kioti DK45se.

Thanks man, I appreciate that. I really try to be objective in life... I am a made in USA kind of guy, but the line has to be drawn somewhere and many of these manufacturers still employ lots of people here in the states. Good luck!

I believe kioti is now made in South Carolina.

+Todd Creech Yes sir, that was a factor when I bought too. I am extremely lucky that the largest Kioti dealer in the Country is only 30 minutes away!! Buy they are like Kubota was 20 years ago; growing.. And hopefully they continue to, because it's a really great machine. They actually used to be part of Kubota but they broke apart some years back. Thanks.

is legendary

Rodger that I'm glad you are enjoying it.im digging the Branson!

Glad you like your, obviously I've had some great history with mine now for several years.

A108 good deal, I am still amazed by the NX it is a beast

You're welcome, thanks.

Well said.. My problem usually is that I work them so hard with things that are not the 'norm' I guess.....

Norm? Haha didn't know anyone that worked like we do had a norm. My b2320 pulls a 5 foot flail mower mowing steep banks one day and like today I'm working on 4 in irrigation leaks in a parking lot because a big backhoe can't get into where the hole has to be lol....

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yes, way more standard on the Kioti. Never thought I'd say that, but I try to be pretty objective.

Capt Ron yep, very true

Some friends of mine just bought a Mahindra. I tried, without being bossy, to get them to look into Kioti, but they refused. They will regret it as soon as the electrical system fails and they find out neither the dealer or Mahindra will cover the warranty.

Capt Ron ouch, hope they don't. .

your welcome. how many hours you got on the deere? this kioti has been excellent, oh and the cab is wider than the 4720.

I have 200 hours on my 2009 3520.

Your welcome. I am still pretty impressed at 500 hours. It's a great machine. Good luck.

I believe Bobcat tractors are just white Kiotis...made at the same factory.

@@gman4937 I've heard the same from a Kioti salesman - Bobcats are Kiotis in Bobcat livery.

Awesome! Best of luck! Love my new RX7320!

lol I'm sure they are similar because they are made by Kioti :)

Thanks, I'm glad I could help. I just call things like I see them, did not have a favor one way or the other when I had them both.

brian mcconeghy wow, that's impressive! sweet :)

no, I definitely don't agree based on my actual experiences. First of all when I've had to order parts for the John Deere it is taken up to several weeks. Ordering parts for the Kioti took only a few days, as they have a huge Warehouse in North Carolina. as far as the resale it's yet to be seen. as far as getting my money from the John Deere if I factor in all of the extra service due to breakdowns in the same amount of time, I took between a 30 and 40% loss on it. And buying the compact was already at the edge of my budget so a bigger tractor is out of the question. Plus, I won't go with a shuttle tractor and the compact is the largest Hydro that they make. To me the shuttles are unsafe to operate especially in steep hilly Terrain when you are doing work on the edge of a drop off. I have no idea what resale or trade in will bring later on, but thus far it has outperformed the deere and cost me a lot less. Of course that could all change with more use, but we will see. Thanks for the input though as I have nothing against any of the other manufacturers.

Nicely said.. That was yet another thing about the Kioti compared to the Deere, was that the Kioti had more Beef. It was heavier right out of the gate, (I always load tire no matter what) and with the wider stance, I feel a lot safer. I'm up to about 370 hours on the Kioti and only ONE breakdown (the loader handle cable), compared to 3 or 4 at this time on the Deere. (Oil leak, water pump, rear hydraulic wouldn't lift mower deck, hood replacement, broken antenna x2(Kioti mounts theirs lower on the frame to keep it protected)). So far, I'm still extremely impressed with the Kioti... Lets see if I'm still there after 500 hours, but somehow I think I still will be :). I try to stay as objective as possible...

What model... Looking at getting 1742

Agree, Kioti has a lot of standard features that some others don't. Thanks.

Roger that. I'm still impressed with it..

Kubota and kioti used to be one company, then they split. Kubota is a good machine with strong track record. good luck!

I agree but Kubota will cost you quite a lot more.

Well, I don't really coddle any machines, so the Kioti is getting a good workout.. Been super tough so far, I think I'm at like 630 hours give or take.. As long as it lasts at least til I get it paid off before anything major goes!!

I went to look at a Daedong which are associated with Kioti, thought to have been used to move wrecked cars around, was bought by someone i know, both front hubs had to be replaced, $3000 each, the casting is not strong enough, shuttle needs fixing so needs tractor split, it had other non major issues. horses for courses.

that's for sure. when I started researching them I was amazed with Daedong achievements. . that's why I bought it! :)

I watched a video that said they were the same people that built Bobcats. I bought my Kioti cs2510 not knowing anything about them. It was a good price and the perfect size for my yard.

Just reiterates my point! My new Tier 4 Kioti does not require DEF fluid. It does have the regen, which has not been an issue at all.

Yeah the DPF is better than DEF but you still have the periodic maintenance of the Diesel Particulate Filter and extra fuel to maintain. Mahindra engines don't require either DEF or a DPF. And replacing a DPF is very expensive.

+Rdrake1413 There isn't any DEF on engines 27Hp or less. The 25Hp engine is the same one they've been using for 30 years (according to the salesman any way).

Yes that is true for any diesel engine under 25HP.

No DEF on the new Deere tractors anymore.

Yes, many people either don't know or forget about this. Some of the top Korean brands have great quality in their builds. I am super impressed with my Branson, top notch quality. The only real tractor that I am aware of that is actually totally manufactured by one company in one plant in Korea.

I can't give you pricing on my exact rig but I can say that Kioti is still significantly more affordable than Kubota & Deere, and has way more standard options than either, and it will have more standard options than the others as well. You should do an 'apples to apples' comparison with all options you want/need that is really the best way to see what you get for your money. I don't think you'll be disappointed with a Kioti to be sure. My Kioti dealer down here is very competitive and can ship anywhere... Tell him I sent you.. But from what I know Kubota is a great tractor also, but it will be WAY more expensive. I remember now looking at those too..

Well that size is much larger then what I'm considering. But I got a quote yesterday for a kubota L3301 and a 60" brush hog. Ball Park $26,700 and Larry stovesand has a pick 5 deal with the 3510 for the same price... so $3K to $5k price difference....

LOL yes I understand I'm not making this stuff up I'm just showing my experiences. Thanks

Did not measure them, but they are wider and appear visibly beefier! Good Idea... Thanks.

How much was that Kioti in the 'States ?.... Massey is still the way to go in Canada .... thx: CS

You''ll get more bang for the buck and good quality with Kioti

casy casy thanks and good luck

IMO Deere spends much of their resources on the big commercial tractors and skimps on the homeowners/hobby type tractors.. Too bad....

please do! feel free to share anything you like. thanks

Now I have a Branson and I wish I would have got that in the very first place LOL

Why did you switch tractors?

@@srtorelli5473 more power, better built

Well, if they fixed that issue that would be good. Nothing wrong with Deere, just you'll pay much more and actually get a little less in the way of functional options. And yes, if you get one, go with a cab! I know its quite a bit more, but if it is hot, cold, snowy, rainy, windy, humid, weedy or any one of those where you live, you'll like it :)

Kapper I have not heard much on the new 3 family series yet. I have been doing lots of research before I choose one. I agree the Deere is pretty expensive.

I seen that on the JD website when I was tractor hunting. What the hell is a 3 family tractor? Its the dumbest thing if believe Ive ever heard. I don't understand the logic behind taking a tractor which is independently owned vehicle and labeling it like a yard sale to define its size.

mattsbrute​ I don't understand it either. They replaced the series for example the 3720 was replaced with A 3046 And labeled A 3 family . I seen them first appear at the farm and science review, I told the rep for deere they should have left it the 3000 series. 3 family is just strange.

steiger 256 I found those same issues when I was researching my 3520 & 4720. The 3 'series' is basically a more 'economical' line, then the 3000/4000 is a more 'robust' line with more options and hydro trans.

Don't matter what color tractor you like as long as you get out and enjoy it :)

Virtually the same money? Go get some real world quotes and tell us how to find a kubota with a cab at anywhere near the same price as a comparable kioti. I like kubota for their dealer network and you hit that on the head. But ive been seriously pricing compact and utility tractors between kioti and kubota and believe me the only advantage kubota has is dealer network. Kubota offers less features for more money on every single model ive priced so far between them and kioti

Yes, I had the exact same 4 in 1 on the Deere as well. That was one of those things that I'd never go without once I've used it! You are right, I use the jaw function about as much as I use the loader bucket function..

I was quite surprised after I move to Texas from Oz that all the skid steers and back hoes I've seen, don't have 4 in 1s... they make your machinery much more versatile.. and as you say.. once you've used the jaw function you realize how good they are... good review by the way...

Thank you. I wish I'd have made the time to do a side by side while I still had both tractors, but I did the best I could in a time pinch! I appreciate it.

They are both around 40k

kioti is significantly lower than deere.

Nice! :)

so they aren't an eyesore in nature's green when they are sitting there broken down ?

Agreed....

They are all made in part in different places. I like the Kioti being made Korean. Daedong is a very well established equipment co in Korea and the Kioti's use quality parts on the Tractors as well.

Support America by American...

@@HarryHov we do all the time, but with this tractor there isn't a single one "made" in the US. JD, Kubota, Kioti, MF, all bring in mostly assembled tractor and then finish them here in the states. Shitty if you ask me, but it's what we have to deal with. But you are 100% correct buy everything you can made here!!!!

neither would I (be happy about it)! I can't predict the future but the first 370 hrs has been much better than my deere 4720.

Warranty? Or, too old?

actually I got rid of the Branson, did not like some things about dealer support and Branson business management. I went back to a Kioti RX7320 and love it. The dealer support network is very strong, much larger and well established company. Best of luck! I suggest Kioti!

@@kapperoutdoors thank you for getting back me! BAD BOY Mowers just released their tractor recently and its basically a Branson painted orange. I am next in line at dealer to get a Kioti CK2610, but the wait is Torture...LOL 😆

No its not. They are Korean, our allies. They make very solid machines and do a lot of Trade with the US. Also many jobs in the US as well.

Yeah, I've been impressed with Both! I used to be a Deere Guy and a GM Guy... But I'm not afraid to look at new things and change if it is warranted!

@@kapperoutdoors smart guy, brand loyalty people are the biggest losers...

There are some great Korean Products, really impressedwith my new Branson, to notch build.

hmmm, haven't had any issues like that with either of my Kioti's.

@@kapperoutdoors the company that gave me a quote for my well also has a kioti, theirs has the same issue with poor quality steel. So it's not just me. Most likely, it's the people that put 20 hours on it a day, weeks at a time. Not people that just got it because it's pretty to look at.

No... A new Kioti is better than a New John Deere... (In my experience after owning 2 Deere's).

lol nice!

Daniel Thomason I hear you. no doubt Kubota is a good machine. I'll never have a big one so I shouldn't have to worry about that! lol.... never say never!

No you are incorrect as they have a couple of different 4720 models. It was 66 horsepower engine

Well you do know that Kubota and Kioti used to be the same company right? All of these manufacturers are just like Kubota was 20 years ago.... Just starting out... But the Korean made tractors are pretty darn good quality overall... some a little better than others, but you are right, there are alot of Deere dealers around for service... You pay out the nose, but you will get service.

Kapper Outdoors You get what you pay for, that's what I've discovered. Everybody wants quality service for pennies on the dollar, that's not going to happen. Quality doesn't come for free that's what I say about that.And I've learned that the hard way with other brands.

love my Kubota bx22

Love my Kubota M 8560

Bring out the Kubota's and we'll have some competitions!! :) I think they are great tractors too. I did get to test one though and didn't care for it much. But it was a shuttle, so that could have been the problem :( Once you go hydro, you never go back :)

You Kubota guys remind me of Harley guys. They have the best machine out there. I disagree. Id put my Massey up against any Kubota in its class. Kubota don't stack up on paper so it cant stack up in person power wise. That's why I bought a second new Massey after much research of JD, Kubota and New Holland No tractor in its class had the lift power or Hydro flow and owning my first one 6 years and never touched it other than oils /filters id say they are rock solid and It sits out in the weather 24/7. Well I did have to put 3 plugs in a front tire while ripping a building down but the was my fault.

mattsbrute Forgive me sir. Massey is the best

Thanks man, I agree

Daniel Thomason that may be true but I'm going to tell you they are dang better machines. They use high quality parts and take pride in the product. I got rid of two John Deere tractors because I like this one so much.

Steven Macvicar you must be a die hard Deere person, or didn't pay much attention. . I owned both tractors, side by side, used them in the same manner.... the review was quite objective not subjective. .

No, right down the road at the local shop... Just like John Deere... :)

Gez 13 I'm pretty sure I've earned the right to shop around and considering I have owned 3 American made tractors and they were all proven to be poor performers that they left me with this option. Being how I served in combat in the Marine Corps and served on the streets for several decades protecting our freedoms I think I've earned that right. Maybe the US manufacturers ought to get off their ass and get things in gear and start making higher quality

Kapper Outdoors aren't kiotis made in Georgia or somewhere down south

No form South Korea and JD and others use a lot of parts from them !

John deere tractors under 50 hp are not made in USA

3046Rs are made in Augusta Georgia. They are under 50 hp

Daniel Thomason I kind of disagree.. years ago Kioti and Kubota were one company. they split apart and Kioti was very aggressive at engineering and building their own machines (not China technology ). Kioti has been building large earth moving equipment much longer than Deere. I've used a brand new Kubota. it was ok, but don't think it's as good as the Kioti. (at least the NX series)

Look up springhollowhayfarm on here and watch his video of his brand new Big cabbed John Deere piece of crap with like 12 hours on it he was scared to drive because so much was wrong it. Leaking Hydro / Rattling AC/ coolant running out of it /Electrical shorts. JD came and picked it up and he ended up picking out another tractor. Its was unreal how many things where wrong with it.

mattsbrute I tried to find that vid, but they've got a lot of videos! If you post the link in a comment, I'll approve it so we can all check it out. Thanks.

start making better products! I owned a John Deere and Kioti at the same time, did the same work side by side, the Kioti was much better. I don't pull any punches, just call it like I see it..

Kioti is made in south korea

Ahhhh correction Daniel kioti is Korean made at the daedong plant if I'm correct in saying .very accomplished manufacturers nowadays ..