I am actually currently usinmg 12/2/2 to renovate an old farm house saves me alot of work. known about 12/2/2 since it came out 2004-2005 due to afcis breakers. there is also 14/2/2 as well.

One problem I see with two circuits in the same box, (2 seperate breakers, I know) is that someone could open this box up after turning off the say, disposal breaker, but still have 120 volts hot on the dish washer outlet. Not a problem if the breakers are tied together as in a 12-3 120 volt circuit.

I like the cable with the two neutrals in it never seen that before in 40 years

Hey Ben, would love to see a video about the different methods of under cabinet lighting. Under-cabinet and landscape lighting has always been confusing to me due to the unique dimming and low voltage properties of those kinds of lights.

12/2/2 and 14/2/2 cable are used for a couple purposes. One is multiwire circuits with GFCI on the two circuits. They each have a neutral so they should work normally. GFCIs tend to have false positive trips if they're on separate circuits and share a neutral. The other use for /2/2 is for code compliance for a neutral presence in a 3-way switch box. Since 2011, the NEC has required a neutral to be present in a switch box.

Great video, i'm an electrician but we always need to up date our knowledge thanks for sharing your experience.

Thank you for this. I just built a kitchen and have been looking at electrical for 5 days straight. This video helped along with your others

in calif we can use 12.3 with ground and use the nuteal for both circuits. One garbage disposal one dishwasher.

Electrical Code Simplified by PS Knight is another excellent resource book.

I am wiring a new home (mine) in Kentucky right now and ran across your videos. I find them very educational and helpful. I have a few changes to make but hopefully will get it passed.

Good video. As a one man show who wires 10-15 dwellings a year plus numerous kitchen/bath remodels and flips it's good to find what other trades people are using for material. I find myself using more 14/4 romex in installations where I need 3way switching capabilities and to bring a constant feed. Good to find 12/2/2. And yes the cost is great,but, also cuts the cost of labor, no need to set up an additional reel or peel off an additional amount of material and have an additional ground in a box. Another thing that I liked to see and that I'm not the only professional that is doing is offsetting the kitchen counter outlets. Two things that I did see that may be a wasted effort is a dedicated circuit for refrigerator as the code does allow for the refer to be on the kitchen counter circuit, and the additional circuit for the hog, I usually share that with the dishwasher and split a duplex receptacle to accommodate the hog. Most dishwashers are rated at 1500 watts, which mathematically divided by 120volts is roughly 12amps. A hog at most under load consumes 3amps. Which total amperage consumed is 15 amps used on a 20amp circuit and 16amps is the maximum amount of current that we are allowed to use by code.

Really enjoyed watching. I like to learn as much as I can and it was great to see someone else’s work along with the info you gave during it.

I actually just used some 14/2/2 to keep a hot wire at the opposite end of a 3-way switch. Allows constant power to hook to another switch or receptacle down stream.

Its really cool to watch these videos as an apprentice and see the difference between American and Canadian wiring (as i am an apprentice from Ontario). Its also interesting to see some of the slight differences in what Code allows you to do that would be against Code here and visa versa....Keep the videos coming!

I enjoyed the video. And for another video let’s do a sub panel load calculation for a kitchen. I’m doing that at my house. Keep posting I enjoy all the great information ℹ️

Thanks for your teaching, I really appreciate you!!

👍 Thanks for adding the notes!

Good video man. That 12-2-2 seems pretty cool. Alot of guys in my area use 12-3 to feed two different loads having them land on 2 different 15 amp breakers. Just shows you how many ways there are to complete the same task

Loved watching your earlier electric wiring videos. Patterned my remodel after your great work. Would love to see more of this. Thank you

Benjamin, you and your family are so cute. Thanks for the great videos.

12/2/2 wires that’s really smart you don’t need to run( 2)12/2

I use 12/3 how you used 12/2/2 in this video mainly because 12/3 is much cheaper. Thanks for sharing!

I really like what they did with the dishwasher and garbage disposal

Merry Christmas and Happy Holiday Ben 🎄⚡

Yea I use the 14/2/2 for my 3way switched lighting circuits…

12/2/2 game changer! Thx!

I started out replacing the floor, but soon realized that before I can install the new sub-floor I got to take care of any re-wiring because afterwards it would hard and in some areas impossible. I have only one 20 amp circuit which services all of the outlets, been coping with that by not running the microwave while the toaster is on, luckily the fridge and micro/fridge and toaster was not blowing fuses (yes, I said fuse, I have a mix of a fuse box and circuit breakers)..my house could be used as a video on "how not to wire a house". The previous owner thought it was cute to install all the outlets upside down, seriously..I can remember him telling me that in 1994. He also used 14 gauge wire for a 20 amp circuit.

Use outlet for over the range microwave or ad one in to top cabinet to have a power for low voltage lights under cabinets .

Excellent video with great detail and tips! Thanks for posting!

12-2 w/gnd is about $0.30 per ft. while 12-2-2 w/gnd is about $0.57 per ft. Cost of running two wires instead of one is not much different for material, but is twice the labor. Back in the day a 12-3 w/gnd would be run, but you could have the problem of sharing the neutral. If the neutral opened, you could have 240v across a 120v outlet and cause damage to equipment. Experience talking.

I always typically use 12/4 or 14/4 for new rough ins, makes the job go a lot faster.

Customers should definitely fix that massive lateral pressure crack next to the electric panel (1:09) before they even start to think about a kitchen remodel...

Fridge and microwave needs to be a dedicated circuit here .I can see why with both , refrigerator on its own dedicated circuit is the recommended best practice for homeowners. Most refrigerators run between 3 to 6 amps, with that said, a refrigerator can spike at peak usage up to 15 amps. , most microwave use lots of power too .

Yeah, we use 12-2-2 for the dishwasher and disposal it saves time, although not for the fridge.

Another good informative video. I like clean drilled holes placed in a areas where the cabinet maker will not be securing their cabinets .

With 2 circuits on one wire I'm wondering about bundling issues Two wires per 3/4 hole. But now you would have two circuits on one wire so does that mean only one cable per hole? Great videos Very informative Thank you

Didn't see it in the posts, but for the DW/Disposal, were they missing the wires for the switch for the disposal?

Use 120 volt under cabinet lighting, eliminate the transformer, works 10 X better, low voltage under cabinet lighting is harder to install and not as reliable

The Fridge should always be on a dedicated circuit by itself ! Same with Dishwashers, Garbage Disposals and Trash Compactors !!

i see 12-3 used alot like the 12-2-2 in the video it just shares the neutral and uses double pole type 20 amp breaker so when one breaker breaks the other dose to

Fifty years ago it wasn't unusual for me to pull ten or twelve conductors through a two inch hole. In an exposed basement it made for a neat job. Strange, but all those buildings are still standing, their excessive heat notwithstanding??

Thanks Ben for this video

Super very nice videooo,thanks.

What's the height of the your boxes from the sub floor thanks

Excellent explanation. Thanks.

Congratulations for all your videos, they are soo productive and helpful, thanks for taking all the time. 👀👍 my question is: Can i use 20 amp on my lights instead of 15 amp?

2:57 Typical circuits for Kitchen rough in wiring list 1. Electric Range 220v 40amp 8/3 3:51 2. 12/2 Wire 120v Single Pole 20amp Breaker 5:30 3. 12/2/2 Wire 120v Single Pole 20amp Breaker Fridge 7:05 4. 12/2/2 Wire 120v Single Pole 20amp Breaker Disposal

Wouldn't there be a heat issue, with the 12-2-2, especially at choke points, bends and such? Just my observation. And You didn't say how far, of a run, from the panel, to the range. I would've used 6-3 anyway, in case a line loss issue, but you never know, in the future, what the homeowner will upgrade or downgrade to, in the future an older range, interm if the new 1 breaks, the 8-3, would actually be undersized. But good in depth video.

I've never seen 12/2/2 cable before but that's really cool and super useful for that kitchen stuff. Makes me wonder, have you ever encountered a 12/2 or 10/2 cable that had a red, black, and bare ground for 240v circuits without neutral? Or is the thing to do just to put red tape on the white wire and use that as a hot?

Nice video. Have you seen the installation of a disconnect for an electrical cooktop. Something like a Spa/Hot Tub disconnect, RV disconnect, AC disconnect, or maybe a non-fused safety switch. Product selection has always slowed me down. I spend so much trying to decide on the best product and solution. I would like to do this in my kitchen, that way, power to the cooktop can be turned off without having to go all the way to the panel to switch off the breaker. The disconnect would be installed in the cabinet under the cooktop. So I am looking for a nice upscale disconnect product. Finding an good disconnect product is hard. I have not been satisfied with what I found at the big box store. It is basically a single breaker panel, but it does not have to be a breaker. I hope all this makes sense.

I really enjoy ur skill sir

Nice video

Also, the dishwasher and disposal do not need separate circuits They can share one 20 amp circuit. They wasted time and money running a 12-2-2 wire for that.

Great video. Thanks for sharing 12/2/2 cable. I might use that for my kitchen outlets. One question that I want to confirm is that I need to use two 20a breakers for this 12/2/2 as if I am doing two 12/2 cables? Or can I use a tandem (if main breaker allows) breaker?

Never seen 12-2-2. Why not use 12-3 and have a common nuetral for Fridge and Micro? Same for DW and Disp. EDIT: Nevermind I see GFCI/AFCI don't like common neutrals. Is the DW/Disp double box going to be outlets or hardwired?

My Google search on 12/2/2 landed me at your video. So hopefully you see this comment and can answer 😅 or direct me to the correct place. I had a sub panel installed for a kitchen remodel, and the electrician used this 12/2/2 wire for all the runs. I went to hard wire my new oven into the cabinet junction box and the two white neutral lines have me very confused. Oven cable is red, black, white, and green. Easy enough. But then with that 12/2/2 being red, black, white, white with red stripe, and bare copper ground it has me lost. If it’s going to be one circuit, does the second white neutral just get capped solo and left to hang out in the box? Or do all three whites get twisted together? Or is the second white get tied in with the ground? All the forums have only created more confusion lol

What about the switch leg for the garbage disposal, did you also missed that..? Lol 😆

I have wet bar with sink in the basement, plus island. I have to install two receptacles within two feet from each side of sink. Plus two outlets in the island. Should I use dedicated circuits for each outlets or I can use one for all? Should brakers be 15A or 20A?

learn something new every day. liking that 12/ 2/2 wg.😲😎 to bad it's quadruple the price.🤔🤦‍♂️

bravo

Just curious but are the NM cables running directly into the panel? Aren't you required to have some protection (like conduit) if your basement is unfinished or they are in an exposed location? I am attempting to run a few new circuits for our kitchen remodel and am running into this issue. Our panel is in an unfinished utility room in our basement (directly under the kitchen).

Hey Ben! No switch for the disposal?

Buy the pro line outlets when buying from BIG box I like Home Depot, each his own .

Thank you for the informative videos. I am getting ready to wire a whole 2,000 sq ft home and feel that I have figured everything out but one thing. The main panel/meter is about 250’ from the home. It is a 200amp system and I am planning on running the cable underground inside a conduit. 4/0 wire is what I come up with. Is this the right size? How do I know for sure what type of wire I can put underground inside the conduit? The wire type is aluminum. Thanks in advance

I pull a 14-3 for garbo/dish on a 2 pole 15@. Breaker

Great video

When ever You have the oportunity please make a vedeo about wiring the loundry.

Kitchen i like 12. 2 all separate brakers g f i of course

Was wonder what height do you rough in outlets in the kitchen above counter tops?

I think I would install a sub panel for the kitchen.

Can I pull 10g 30A 240V (dryer) through a 1 inch hole in the joists together with 8g 40A 240V (range)?

For you "electricians" pulling 3 wire for two separate circuits here's the major issue with this. Ex. Two 15 amp circuits on a 14-3 cable. 10 amps on the black wire and 10 amps on the red wire. How many amps are now flowing on your single 14 gauge neutral wire back to the panel? Answer. 20 amps. On a wire only rated to carry 15 amps.

I would use 12-2-2 romex more but it's hard to find, and it's expensive. But it saves time in installation, and you can use 2 single pole breakers instead of one double pole breaker. Which is what you would have to do if you use 12-3 romex to run 2 circuits.

Excellent

Hey Ben, great vid. from my understanding, the microwave wire is not in a receptacle because there will be a cabinet installed. the receptacle box will be installed inside the cabinet after!

Hello,Ben can you do a video changing out fuse box to circuit breaker box

Why complicate by running two circuits within one sheathing/home run romex. Not my cup of tea. Esp if its a diy homeowner that "Might" be one day working on those two cirxuits.

Don't think that is necessarily a "double-gang metal box". It's just a standard 4 square box. Most people don't use the small tiny metal boxes for single-gang, they use this 4 square box with a single-gang mud ring.

How come I don't see any yellow 12/2 wire connecting garbage disposal to a switch next to the sink?

From what I research there are no 40amp range receptacles. There are only 30amp or 50amp. Which one did you use for the 8/3 wire?

Thanks for shareing

I did not see the box circuit for the garbage disposal to the 12/2/2 outlet.

Hey Ben, I just finished wiring my basement. Is there a better or easier way to test and make sure all switches/receptacles before I install drywall?

12/2/2 is becoming more popular because of newish gfci/afci requirements

12/2/2 is 3x the cost of standard 12/2. I don’t see the value in using it.

I'm adding subpanel to my main panel, with 100 amp breaker, I can not find 3 awc gauge wire, can I use #2 wire, also my main panel don't have main breaker, is out side panel and that breaker is 200 amp , is that mean main panel is 200 amp , there is not label on main panel, is Bryan panel, and I asking because adding 100 amp to main panel

How new is 12/2/2 I've never heard of it and my lowes doesn't even have it yet

Hi, How do you put a price, per linear foot, per square foot, per box... how? For example if you are a day laborer

Hi, I am an electrician aprendice and I would like to know question is how much they pay for the residential rough in. Thank you

Wonder what the codes are like in England, where everything is 220 V?

Can I plug my 50 amp arc welder into my dishwasher circuit?

I thoughts its called 12-3 because it has a 2nd travel.

I've seen guys use just a 12/3 for two circuits. Is there an issue with using the same neutral for both outlets on both circuits on the DW and Disposal for example?

Who makes that 12/2/2 wire made from ive never seen that before or where did you buy it?

You really need to clean the drilled holes out better than that ! DON'T leave rough splinters that can tear the cable sheathing !! ALWAYS clean out your Drilled holes that you will be pulling Romex cable through !!

You don't actually need two neutrals if each circuit is powered from opposite phases or 'legs.' In which case the one neutral would serve to carry the load imbalance. I assume some contractors can't be trusted to land wires in the appropriate locations in the panelbox (or possibly someone else at a later time) so the two neutrals guarantee no errors. Edit: Arc fault would not operate properly with 12/3 so 12/2/2 then is the required replacement.

Since one of the appliances that will be replaced several times over the years is the microwave, why would it be a good idea to hard wire it? It seams that hard wiring your refrigerator would make as much since.

All Electric Ranges require a 50 or 60 Amp Double Pole Circuit Breaker and wired with 6-3 with ground !! # 8 -3 with ground is for Drop In Counter Top Cook Tops on a 40 Amp Circuit breaker, double pole !!!

Is there a standard height from the floor for above counter plugs ? Counter is 36 in high.

Where is the exterior sheathing?