Could you give me more examples of kitsch? Does it extend to music? I am searching for definitions but I don’t get it. How come that what is cute or over garnished is considered trash?!

I mean it sound more like what a perfectionist would produce... excuse my poor language

Something self-aware enough to know it's trash is camp rather than kitsch. These are very similar yet distinct things. Camp is art whereas kitsch is generally understood to not be art.

@@maryamghareeb4862 There is a video from just a few months ago called "What is Kitsch?" by the KZfaq channel Thorsten Botz-Bornstein which is a very clear examination of this question.

kitsch really is not a german word for trash tho. i'm german by the way. most common words for trash would be Müll and Abfall.

Uggggh. Maybe you can't know, like are incapable.?

I think a big thing against him is that Rockwell promoted America as something positive without exposing its shortcomings in his art. Which I kind of understand but at the same time I just can’t hate his art. Same with Alex Ross, obviously their art isn’t transformative or serious but that doesn’t make it bad. Simple art shouldn’t be a bad thing.

Because his works are idealised and therefore a little propaganda-like. The things you see on his paintings are not true, they are very similar to the propaganda posters of totalitarian systems like the Sovietunion, only in his case, these ideas are more basic and not radical. His art can't really be considered art that much (these works at least), because its very idealised, therefore false, and were meant to be promotional imagery. They were meant for business, which is the most basic definition of kitsch. A product that wants to appeal as a work of art in order to sell itself, but it lacks the meaning, and value of real art. Its not about how he painted, because he was a professional there are no doubts. Its more about what, and why

art bad

Mr Rusty Actually I think the people mentioned in this video would say that that's pretty much the definition of kitsch: 'I just like it.' As opposed to art: 'It means something to me.' (Not because of your history with the picture, but because you find meaning in the picture itself.) Of course I'm not suggesting it doesn't mean something to you, I just mean that that would be the way to tell one apart from the other. And that does imply that one man's kitsch can be another man's art, I'd say.

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ReadHeadPat yes he can. Not only was it legal for him to say that but he was completely right. He can say that and be taken seriously.

ReadHeadPat KITSCH tries to create an emotional response but in a mechanized calculating massified way, borrowing from mature culture when needed. That's why KITSCH is working with computers and parades. Kitsch is the thing that strips life and Concepts apart. It is an ethical stance to be opposed to kitsch.

the point is, he can't prove that's what other people are thinking or feeling. it's essentially a loaded weasel word that just lets anybody disparage art they don't like without intellectual effort (oh, the irony.)

Lol

In Odd Nerdrum's artist manifesto, he labels himself in the kitsch group as one that goes against the mainstream art culture. Modern Art as from the 1900s onward turned away from figurative and representational work to focus on more abstraction and technique of paint application. So when artists, like Odd Nerdrum are working in these other less popular genres of art such as painting classical figures and portraiture, it is looked on by THE ART POLICE: critics, teachers, curators and artists of Modern art as unfavorable, not innovative etc. Nerdrum calls himself Kitsch in a tongue-in-cheek way, like saying that he doesn't fit into the mainstream Modernist art movement and those gatekeepers are keeping him shut out. His artwork is far from the kitschy things like the gaudy gas station Elvis bust, vacation snow globes and lava lamps that might first come to mind when you hear the word kitsch. Is it because there is sentimentality in Nerdrum's art?

Maybe it’s an old germanic word?

@@Thesamurai1999 i'm sorry, not to be rude, but it really isn't.

@@pogglexiv ah, alright. No worries

​@@pogglexivwhat does kitsch mean ?

@@lonelyberg1808 i think the best translation is probably corny, maybe also a bit like tacky. imagine u visit ur grandmas house and she has a shelf with ruffled decorations and on it theres a collection of pearly glazed chubby porcelain animals with bows and what not, thats very kitschig. at least thats how i know the word to be used as a german 20 something🤔

What seperates Warhol from kitsch is his intention - Warhol's pieces aren't clean, professional or really similar at all to the images he's replicating - Warhol added an artistic touch to the pieces by processing and printing them in non standard ways etc - As well as placing them in high art galleries. The context indicates that the pieces aren't made to say - sell you soup cans but instead act as an exploration of the nature of stuff made to sell you soup cans. Using newspaper images of car crashes too was a way to made confronting art that would certainly be considered avant garde by the average viewer. His topics are almost always darker then what one initially sees from viewing popular culture's interpretation of Warhol

Meh. Kitsch and avant garde have all essentially destroyed the idea that art is something you should spend decades perfecting and mastering. Kitsch is shallow, trivial commercial art. It ignores the breadth and depth of human experience, from the lowest of lows to the highest of highs. Avant garde is "anything goes." It's honestly undeserving of the title "art" in the classical sense. People are arrogant about their uniqueness. They're too fragile to admit that they're uninteresting and not particularly unique. I see avant garde art as a way to pretend that good taste doesn't exist, as a way to validate people's own mediocrity and pass it off as greatness. It's a tale as old as time, it's the story of the emperor's new clothes. America is devoid of real art, art that is truly expressive, art that fills you with wonder, art that speaks to the depths of your soul. America's architecture reflects this: its McMansions are a mockery of good taste, misusing classical architectural elements into a bungled, chaotic mess. It's no wonder to me that people commit suicide so often in the US. There's little here that hints at beauty as a transcendental virtue, other than our natural scenery. Though, we tend to ascribe a "wild west" sensibility to American landscapes, which also detracts from it and creates a kind of cheap, kitschy air out of something that is otherwise beautiful.

@@hellomate639 I womder what di you think about Odd Nerdrum. Doesn’t he do it in a classical sense? He calls himself a kitsch painte.

No

@@hellomate639 art is subjective lol you're just elitist people are different and what might fill you with enjoyment might not fill me and vice versa

real art and real bad art - it all falls under the same umbrella.

Is the essential nature of kitsch to be enjoyed only “ironically” or “knowingly?” I live in Minnesota, which has a large German/Scandinavian diaspora. The way a lot of people decorate their homes up here could be described as “kitschy” but they seem to genuinely enjoy their design. Granted there’s a distinction between art and decoration.

Huxley would beg to differ

@@glof2553 I believe that the "ironic" part is a subversion of traditional values like high technical standards by postmodern art critics.

You don't know what you're talking about I see!

as in it literally uses the same quotes + images

which Is not what this video offers

Yeah ok!

Yet you're the one who comes off as trashy here! Darling!

No, just trash.

I would give you the advice to learn how to use a fucking period when you type.

purrr

Stream it

I'd say your generation is not very familiar with avant guarde anything. The rest of your comment I don't really get.

@@gaywizard2000 I am not sure what generation you think I belong to, but I am exactly the same age as Damien Hirst. My point being that in less recent times, when Damian and myself where young, there where at least some things that could shock the art savvy public. Now, art is shocking only in its lack of risk taking and has lost its ability to do anything apart from make money. It is not possible to be a rebel in a crowd of “rebels”.

@@parrycross8099 I can't tell because you are hiding your face but I looked it up because the age of random people is not known to me, so we are pretty close in age, I am 3 years younger! PHEW! But I agree! Yes, we remember when things were avant garde. I usually think most here are 24 years old! sorry!

@@gaywizard2000 No worries. Good to know some people still remember when conceptual art required more than JUST a concept.

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