Jaaaaa! (from 12.31,1977 Karajan Beethoven 9) 😂

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I would say, there are at least 90 key changes like that on Beatles songs. Seriously. But ok. Thats a bit unfair, because the beatles were probably the best harmonists after debussy and ravel.

And he was a very likable no nonsense person!

@@janacek2549 if you dont like it I will delete it.

@@leonardoiglesias2394 Thank you, I just deleted my reply as well. Water under the bridge, time for more Chicago symphony recordings :)

Maestro Tennstedt was an amazing musician and even more amazing gentleman! So gracious!

Indeed. CK admired -- almost revered -- Tennstedt. There was in Carlos' voice when talking about him an audible awe for the man, his courage, his struggle, and his powerful frailty. Kleiber enjoyed paradox.

@@charlesbarber8166 My apologies for lifting Carlos' words from your book -- I probably should have credited you. It's one of the few books I can say I've read over 20 times, and it has helped me immeasurably in understanding CK (to the extent anybody can understand him), and in appreciating the details of his conducting, which I have been studying closely. Thanks for your wonderful success at cracking CK's shell a bit, and sharing the results with the rest of us. Greetings from Philadelphia.

@@dizzyology7514 Please. No apologies needed. I appreciate that you took the trouble to quote him so exactly, and so admiringly, in regard to Mr Tennstedt. Carlos was charmed and disarmed by Tennstedt's vulnerability and openness, first to last. I have a friend (then) in the CSO who reported the same. They all were. Add to this the fact that CK thought Mahler (I paraphrase) a bit of a neurasthenic wreck, and you find a double-admiration. Thank you for sharing this with your viewers -- and for reading the book in the first place. 20 times? I owe YOU the apology.

@@charlesbarber8166 The 20 is really an estimate -- the fact is that I am continuously studying CK's letters. I am a retired psychologist interested in how musicians communicate via gestures, so Kleiber's work is obviously an essential resource. Fortunate that a lot of it has been preserved on video. But I'm not sure but what Tennstedt is a unique case. He seems to have been able to communicate with his musicians through some additional channel -- his gestures are there, but they are almost epiphenomena -- he somehow seems to infiltrate the very souls of the players, so that they become extensions of his own conception of the music. I think CK saw this, whatever it is. The fragility of KT that you mention may have been part of it. There seems to be a change in the relationship between musicians and conductors who are visibly vulnerable -- Abbado post cancer, Jansons post heart attack, etc. Hoo nose, as CK would say.

Bud LIVES!

Music2Die4 And so does Sir Georg Solti/Chicago Symphony Orchestra....he is the master of all Mahler symphonies.

Music2Die4 I agree fully- this performance is a GREAT moment of conducting Mahlers 1. How outstanding the presentation is,you can listen if you compare it with Kubeliks very very good performance and the awful of Dudamel-both on youtube too!!!

Sorry Tassos, Riccardo Muti just closed the Chicago Symphony season with this same work to great acclaim. Mahler is not one of his favorite composers, perferring Bruckner.

+Robert Palmer It must be a mistake as Tennstedt's debut in US was in 1974 with Boston SO

+Doru Ionescu From what I have researched you appear to be correct. I was certain I saw him there at one point but it might have been later on a visit to Chicago because I moved to Los Angeles in 1968 a year before Solti took over.

Beautiful said!

Vernon buried the orchestra when he felt like it, and he and Pokorny were/are a sinister combo. Not aware of any recording before this one where that F jumps out so much

@@bdc1117 only Herseth can be heard LMAO, we all know herseth will pierce through everything

HA! Yes! I was actually listening to another Mahler 1-4 and heard that note and I'm like, "hmmm, he's not giving it enough, let me jump over to the CSO recording and see." As expected, you got the bass trombone (and the whole brass) giving life and soul to that damn NOTE! Give it bitch!!! Just perfection; how anyone can hear it any other way is beyond me.

I could not disagree more, but we all have our own preferences. There are few things more subjective than how one is moved by music. I have not heard you conduct so I don't know your style. All I know is that after more than 60 years of listening to orchestral performances by a host of great conductors, I consider Tennstedt one of the very best. Just my opinion.

@@leestamm3187 Agreed; neuroscientists say that music's power stems from its ability to stimulate the parts of our brains linked with subjectivity, instinct, etc. I guess what I missed in this performance was the sort of volatility I associate with Mahler; I think it is, at its core, Freudian, stream-of-consciousness-type music that can suffer if one applies interpretive values that would be entirely appropriate in a "pure music" context, i.e. with Beethoven, Brahms, etc. That said, I greatly admire Tennstedt and his humble dedication to music. He was very much beloved.

Coal Nete bass trombone incredible

Thank you for documenting 1-3 ❤️❤️❤️

Luuk Schmitz it was just ONE trombone hahaha

@@keithrittel1408 he’s one member of section I wish I knew more about! Kinda seems like the unsung hero of the section.

The St Louis Symphony Orchestra is a great orchestra but is not considered one of the big five. The Cleveland Orchestra was the correct choice.

Hi dear Mr. Robert. I read it from the wikipedia of The Big Five Orchestre of U.S.A. And the Vcleveland Orchestra is one of the oldest too. Is it wrong? Can you tell me pleae ? because Iread a book about the Orchestre of U.S.A. . Thank you very much.

Cleveland has always been considered among the big five along with Chicago, New York, Boston and Philadelphia. Recently, there has been some debate about the current list. Maybe it should be expanded or revised. Los Angeles and San Francisco have come up. I lived in L.A. for years and was a subscriber there and they in no way compare with the CSO that I attended for decades beginning with Reiner. St Louis is a fine orchestra but I think the consensus is that the original big five is still intact. Hope that answers your question.

The people sitting in Charlie Vernon and Bud Herseth's firing range

@@charleyhibschweiler4555 honestly, Vosburgh is sitting right next to Bud contributing in a major way to the intensity & sizzle.

+CLUBJAZZDEBAKEL However, the resurrection of Mahler's music happened because of Bernstein's efforts! And make no mistake the ones you mention base their interpretations mostly on Bernstein's conducting work of Mahler's music! ...

Hahaha- well, in his vanity, and desire to be identified with Mahler, at least that is Lenny's version of events. But, as Norman Lebrecht points out in his book The Maestro Myth, Mahler had rarely been out of the European repertoire since Mahler's death in 1911. In the Netherlands alone, Mengelberg had been conducting him from the very beginning.

And even before Lebrecht pointed it out, Sybille Werner had proven the point with her own research (later included in the appendix of Volume 4 of Henry-Louis de La Grange's "Mahler"). Bernstein was a master of his own narrative, but not only was Mahler performed with great frequency well before he came along, but there were conductors in Europe who programmed it more frequently than Bernstein during the 1960s (Horenstein, Haitink, Klemperer, and in the late 1960s Abbado and Maderna).

Honestly Bernstein’s approach to Mahler annoys the hell out of me. In contrast Tennstedt gets out of the way of the orchestra and delivers a far more compelling & sincere approach.

Kosmas Lapatas I was a subscriber and usher in Chicago during the fifties and sixties in Chicago and also a subscriber to the L.A. Phil after moving there in 1968. If what you are saying is true the L.A. Phil must have improved drastically because it in no way compared to the CSO, Boston or Cleveland except briefly during the Giulini years. The CSO under Muti has the most european sound of any american orchestra today, in my opinion and is considered the finest orchestra in this country.

Robert Palmer the LA has improved dramatically, yes, the 69-97 years were the worst. salonen transformed the orchestra, I hope dudamel does the same too, and more. the orchestra under mehta is also superb. I agree the cso under muti has the most european sound, and I think philhadelphia was better under his baton. cso, cleveland, boston and phil are superb orchestras, I only wish the conductors they choose were on the caliber of vienna, berlin, concertgebouw, lso, brso, etc. its always the conductor. imagine NYPO without mitropoulos or toscanini or bernstein. the czech philharmonic is also a top orchestra, the orchestral color is dreamy. their conductors are completely mediocre. munich was a so-so orchestra but celibidache transformed it into the top 10 during his tenure. sinopoli did the same with philharmonia and dresden. solti with cso.

Kosmas Lapatas I was also a subscriber during the Mehta and Salonen years. Yes, Salonen had a good sound but NOT Mehta. It was coarse and unrefined. After leaving L.A. for NY he was not missed. When he came back to guest conduct for a couple of weeks one of the local critics said that in two weeks he had the orchestra playing just as badly as when he left. Just think: if Buffy Chandler hadn't appointed Mehta as assistant conductor without consulting him, Solti would have been the music director. But Solti said later in an interview with Charlie Rose that it all worked out well. L.A. got Mehta and he got Chicago!

Don't know about European sound but Cleveland is better than Chicago now, though their conductor is no Muti

When the San Francisco Symphony celebrated their 100th anniversary they invited most of the major american orchestras to come and perform there. Chicago was judged to be far and away the best under Muti. By the way, I like the european sound but I also like the sound of american orchestras. They are just different. The review by the local critic may still be online somewhere. I have read it many times.

Can u explain why??????? I dont understand why would someone say that... Klaus has been my fav conductor. Have listened to many conductors ... hard to stick to anyone except him.. I just prefer him over many others... the outcome of his work is extremely favourd especiallly in beethovens wagners and mahlers..... thanks but i would like to know why u said that ❤

@@pseudopathicus2524 because his Schlagtechnik is appalling. The orc is playing beautifully but if it were a lesser orch it would sound dreadful, partly because the guy up front has about as much as no technique. If he is your favorite conductor then fine. I have no problem with that. Others I like better and if you want to better understand what I mean then look at Reiner.