Knife Making: Belt Grinding Problems...and How to Fix Them!

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Walter Sorrells

Walter Sorrells

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The belt grinder is the most important tool used by knife makers. But it's not an easy tool to learn. In this video knife maker Walter Sorrells breaks down some of the most common problems knife makers run into when they learn the belt grinder....and shows how to fix them.
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@philochristos
@philochristos 6 жыл бұрын
Yup, I've had almost all of these problems. Thanks, Walter.
@DeliberateGeek
@DeliberateGeek 5 жыл бұрын
As an absolute beginner (1.5 knives under my belt), I find your videos to be an essential resource. They're practical and straightforward. Some of what you describe is easier said than done until you've practiced enough. However, they provide the kind of information that someone needs to do some very focused and deliberate practice. Thank again!
@christophercassidy-schroed9169
@christophercassidy-schroed9169 6 жыл бұрын
This is so, so timely. Thanks Walter.
@bushcraftchip
@bushcraftchip 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Walter. Your experience is much appreciated! !!!
@williamtuttle8231
@williamtuttle8231 Жыл бұрын
The 2" bump answered a question I have been fighting to correct. Thank you.
@fencingrocks3
@fencingrocks3 6 жыл бұрын
This was the video I needed 3 years ago! Super helpful, even now, thanks Walter!
@spartacusavengence9431
@spartacusavengence9431 5 жыл бұрын
Walter thank you for your videos and pretty much everything on your channel, I don’t have money nor time for bladesmithing classes and you have a real knack for helping us beginners understand what causes the mistakes we encounter and how to fix them! When people asked me where I learned how to make blades I tell them Walter Sorrells! Thanks for all you do!
@gearbarrel6237
@gearbarrel6237 6 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. Very, very helpful!
@sleeperawake9818
@sleeperawake9818 6 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU WALTER!!! I've been watching tons of youtube videos on "Fixing Bevels", "Clean Grind Lines", ... etc. This was EXACTLY the information I was looking for. Those looked like my last few knives, so I was getting discouraged, but this video helped correct those errors.
@vanghelian3970
@vanghelian3970 Жыл бұрын
I've watched this video several times. Once when i first started, and subsequent times as these problems have happened to me. I will say, for me, it is one of the BEST advice videos that I have ever seen. The advice is spot on, and makes more sense as you get your hands familiar with that 2x72 feel. Thanks Walter!
@Uncephalized
@Uncephalized 6 жыл бұрын
Really excellent tips Walter, thanks. You showed several little tricks that I've stumbled on myself through hours of cursing and muttering over my grind lines, and several more that I hadn't!
@muzzle505
@muzzle505 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video Walter, it helped a lot. I really appreciate the effort you put into this channel.
@Shuggareah
@Shuggareah 6 жыл бұрын
Made my first grind with a belt tonight. Pretty much did all of this. At least 10 angles on the grind - Over heated the tip - 2 inch bump. It’s really atrocious, but It beats the heck out of grinding with a hand file.
@ivysinistra
@ivysinistra 5 жыл бұрын
what sort of grinder were you using? I started on my 1x30, which I am still using.. but I started out doing convex bevels using the slack section of belt above the little grinding platen. I got good results that way. I've only recently started doing flat grinding.
@stevemackelprang8472
@stevemackelprang8472 6 жыл бұрын
It is nice to listen to one who has been there, they know the real deal.. thank you!
@cjdogs69
@cjdogs69 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent video Walter. Very useful content. thanks.
@kiksforge
@kiksforge 6 жыл бұрын
Very helpful vid Walter, thanks
@amatrob
@amatrob 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Very practical fixes for me. Some of those issues I figured out how to fix by feel, but this helps keep the problems from returning!
@rebelyell1970
@rebelyell1970 5 жыл бұрын
Very helpful. Thanks Walter
@ricardobecerril1783
@ricardobecerril1783 6 жыл бұрын
Wow, super informative, concise and clear. Excellent teacher. You rock . Thanks again and again.
@NeillWylie
@NeillWylie 5 жыл бұрын
Valuable video! Thanks Walter!!
@Toownky
@Toownky 6 жыл бұрын
As a new belt grinder (home made) owner, theses videos are just perfect. My skills dramatically improved since I started to follow your advice. You got a new subscriber.
@mwblades6553
@mwblades6553 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this vid. I have been looking for something like this for a long time.
@derekstang7045
@derekstang7045 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks
@jojomama4787
@jojomama4787 6 жыл бұрын
possibly the most important video I've seen you make yet(and you've made lots of important videos) as I'm​ just getting used to my new 2x72 grinder now...I really learned a lot with this one,thanks for doing what you're doing!
@DerKaffeemann123
@DerKaffeemann123 6 жыл бұрын
Videos like this make me want to step to the grinder immediately. Thank you for your wisdom, Walter :)
@garrisonh
@garrisonh 6 жыл бұрын
This is a really well done video . thank you
@TheBigKahuna3000
@TheBigKahuna3000 3 жыл бұрын
Best in business when it comes to teach the real Wikipedia of knife making... next generations will be watching and learning knife making on space ship with Walter instead of pressing the button of the 3D printer
@yetanotheaverageguy
@yetanotheaverageguy 6 жыл бұрын
Keeping it simple for us beginners . Thanks Walter.
@matthewjackson9615
@matthewjackson9615 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, Walter is a good instructor for the novice knife maker. Or should I just say that he's a good instructor, period.
@facemiddie
@facemiddie 6 жыл бұрын
I was just having a problem with one of these last week. Great video, thanks!
@JustTex
@JustTex 6 жыл бұрын
Some good explanations sir. Cheers
@gearbladeforgeworks
@gearbladeforgeworks 10 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for this!
@backyardbladesmith7612
@backyardbladesmith7612 6 жыл бұрын
this was very helpfull thanks Walter
@zacharyyandell
@zacharyyandell Жыл бұрын
Really appreciate your videos! I'm brand new to knife making, and your advice is priceless. You're very easy to understand as well. Thank you
@GusDug1
@GusDug1 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding video 👍
@jimcurtis4629
@jimcurtis4629 6 жыл бұрын
Good video Walter. I've had all those issues at some point in time.
@sloth0629
@sloth0629 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks... really helps...
@colin4390
@colin4390 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the valuable lessons, Walter! I just wish I had an overhead view angle of the grinder in action to fully see your techniques at work.
@PetesCreativeRecycling
@PetesCreativeRecycling 6 жыл бұрын
When I first started making knives my biggest grinding problem was after heat treating or grinding it too thin previous to the heat treat. Maybe the next video you make about grinding can cover these?
@patricksmiley6075
@patricksmiley6075 6 жыл бұрын
Great video as usual.
@DreadtheMadSmith
@DreadtheMadSmith 6 жыл бұрын
This should help me a lot thanks.
@blackjackmcgack
@blackjackmcgack 6 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a video on beginner belt grinders and tools!
@christophereppig7156
@christophereppig7156 6 жыл бұрын
Great video! I wish this could have been around ten years ago.
@aznfire63
@aznfire63 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Walter super awesome and helpful videos!!! You should make a folding knife, I always wanted to learn how to
@johnwilkerson9804
@johnwilkerson9804 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks man
@homer92234
@homer92234 6 жыл бұрын
Nice tips :) could you make a video about distal taper?
@th_blck_knght
@th_blck_knght 6 жыл бұрын
Any tips how to find the initial angle you want to grind in? I've got a lot of problems where I start grinding, and later realize the angle I've set is too shallow/sharp.
@daisy8luke
@daisy8luke 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Walter. One of my biggest issues is not being able to keep that grind line consistent all the way to the tip. Then I end up going back and taking forever to fix it. Getting better at fixing it, but I'd rather get better at being even all the way to the tip.
@dennispennington8316
@dennispennington8316 2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos man ive learned alot from them. Any advice on where to find a traditional sen or how to make one(edge angle/steel type/geometry)
@lejonhjarta3355
@lejonhjarta3355 6 жыл бұрын
Nice video! But Walter, please organize your playlist section. It is so much more convenient to just hit play on a playlist than browsing back through old videos, add to "watch later" just because you want to watch them in some sort of order and or theme. Thank you, sir!
@robbiekingston6303
@robbiekingston6303 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Walter, thanks for all the great videos; ive learnt a lot from you. i have a problem with some of my grinds in that, when i look along the blade i can see these shadows. Theyre not visible from a front angle but still i dont like to see them. I'm wondering if its down to belt tension (gas strut) which is fairly strong or part worn belts, or something else. i cant find mention of this problem anywhere and its wrecking my head at this stage. I use a jig when grinding but i get a very smooth action with it as i move across the belt with no interruptions from burrs or the like. at about 240 grit it begins to really show and becomes more noticeable the higher i go (to me anyway) If i want an 800 g finish or higher i have to finish by hand along the length of the blade with wet n dry paper. can be a real pain but im getting better at that. i hope you can help with this? keep up the good work! Thanks again for all your help. Robbie.
@lymanw.-nf8bw
@lymanw.-nf8bw 2 ай бұрын
Thanks again
@aslob9321
@aslob9321 6 жыл бұрын
Best video ever!
@ljblades2473
@ljblades2473 6 жыл бұрын
Great video I've ruined many tips could you do a video on how to grind a ricasso?
@mitchh8389
@mitchh8389 6 жыл бұрын
You just saved me from having to throw out 2 blades that I made the same mistake with, thanks man.
@danielhowarth1687
@danielhowarth1687 6 жыл бұрын
Really helpfull thanks :)
@jaybob5442
@jaybob5442 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks W!!!!
@DirtyRoomKnives
@DirtyRoomKnives 6 жыл бұрын
Knifemakers don't make mistakes...they just make smaller knives ;)
@colsoncustoms8994
@colsoncustoms8994 6 жыл бұрын
haha very true.
@showstopper540
@showstopper540 5 жыл бұрын
This is more than true lol
@chrissexton6634
@chrissexton6634 4 жыл бұрын
Lol.. when your skindi grind turns into a pukko.
@DoggoWillink
@DoggoWillink 5 жыл бұрын
Do you guys recommend starting with a 36 or so, or is a 60 enough? I find that my 36 is just so rough that I can’t use it smoothly. My 60 ceramic is just nice and smooth, but it takes a while to get a bevel and by the time I go back over it twenty times, I’ve screwed up the angle. I really want to learn it well without a jig, so for now I have a few convex bevels... Also I’ve seen knives that have grinds that go all the way from the spine. Is this not good? My last knife I did a full bevel to the spine (because I messed it up lol), and it looks pretty cool still after I smoothed it all out.
@ryannewman1795
@ryannewman1795 6 жыл бұрын
I've been having problems with learning how to polish or get a nice mirror finish
@SteveWrightDesign
@SteveWrightDesign 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, really helpful. My first grinder arrives tomorrow, but I have no idea what speed to run the belts at for grinding! What speed would you recommend please? Thanks
@unimportant9799
@unimportant9799 3 жыл бұрын
High if you want to remove a lot of material without taking forever, medium speeds for putting bevel and cutting edge, finally use slower speeds to do fine details/polishing the piece. Hope to be of help.
@dillonkology346
@dillonkology346 6 жыл бұрын
Love the vids can you please talk about some 4x36 grinders
@edburdo
@edburdo 6 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see some info about grinding bevels and such on the 4x36. I know it's not optimal, but for me, it's all I have right now.
@WalterSorrellsBlades
@WalterSorrellsBlades 6 жыл бұрын
I have to admit I've never really used 4 X 36s...except to mess around with them in other guys shops, so I don't know that I have that much useful info to share!
@dillonkology346
@dillonkology346 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you anyway I appreciate it
@nicktopo8380
@nicktopo8380 6 жыл бұрын
On these 4x36s the belt doesn't go to the side you still have metal surface without a sliding belt you would need to cut out a slot on the side of the grinder so you can use that to make a clean smooth bevel
@bunker_1284
@bunker_1284 6 жыл бұрын
Hey mate, how much in front of the front wheels do you have the platen? I'm finding mine either heats up too much, or doesn't grind as flat as i want. cheers!
@workwithnature
@workwithnature 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation really very detailed. Only prob I don't have a belt grinder like that. Any chance you could do a video on doing the bevels with an angle grinder. Any tips more than welcome. Or you think it is just mad to attempt it with said angle grinder?
@geoffflato6065
@geoffflato6065 6 жыл бұрын
Work With Nature an angle grinder could be used to get the bulk of the metal off in the absence of a belt grinder, but you'll never get a good grind with it. My recommendation would be to take 80-90% of the material off with the angle grinder, and then finish with a file to even everything out
@WalterSorrellsBlades
@WalterSorrellsBlades 6 жыл бұрын
Check back through my videos and you'll find one that I did maybe a year or so ago.
@leadcloud
@leadcloud 6 жыл бұрын
Very useful stuff. Do you have any tips for using undersized grinders? All I have access to is a 1x30, so I am working with very low torque, and a very small working surface. I am running into problems with "waving" along the length of my bevel, since i can only grind 1" at a time.
@Jay-ye1up
@Jay-ye1up 6 жыл бұрын
ALet338 same problems
@blackjackmcgack
@blackjackmcgack 6 жыл бұрын
You guys could get one of those hand belt sanders used for like coffee tables and sanding large surfaces of wood and clamp the handle into a vice works really well if you dont mind working on your material downwards instead of vertical
@grantdavid9466
@grantdavid9466 6 жыл бұрын
I've gotten good results from using this method. I'd recommend a Skil belt sander. It did great for about a year and you're not too upset when it craps out on you since they're not all that expensive. Also stay away from the Rigid belt sander if loud and whiny is a deal breaker for you.
@matthewplanche8359
@matthewplanche8359 6 жыл бұрын
ALet338 😯
@Uncephalized
@Uncephalized 6 жыл бұрын
Try using a bit less pressure and running the blade across the belt a bit faster and at a more even speed. You're probably pausing or moving at an irregular speed across the belt IMO. Also try keeping your thumb behind the flat right in the center of the belt, and slide the flat against your thumb, so that the pressure stays constant, instead of varying as your thumb moves in relation to the platen. I actually use my thumbnail to apply pressure this way instead of the pad of the thumb, as it slides more smoothly across the steel. Works best with a tool rest although you can make a 'rest' with your hand to slide the blade through, but it risks bloody knuckles. The last thing is that as long as you're not too close to the plunge line, you can tilt the blade up or down, so that the flat is still flat on the belt, but you are grinding at, say, a 45 degree angle down the length of the blade instead of perpendicular to the edge. This gives you a much longer plane of contact and allows you to bridge the peaks of all those waves, which will help you get them all back in the same plane. Hope that wasn't too long winded! Happy grinding!
@nilssieper6648
@nilssieper6648 6 жыл бұрын
Great video ! Now that i have the knowledge the only thing that i need is a belt grinder. xD
@chrisncolleen1
@chrisncolleen1 6 жыл бұрын
I'm just getting into knife making and have experienced all of these issues. Am I correct to assume that a jig would fix many of these issues?
@saltwater4892
@saltwater4892 6 жыл бұрын
Q. How soft should the metal be after annealing? Still seems hard using angle grinder ....... Nothing like the videos where it looks like it comes off like wood. Procedure... binged watched your vid this rainy sat morning. Had some Mystery iron (very old bush hog blade and an old file) Later that evening. Built the outside fire pit forge like you said (Got funny look when I bought the hair dryer by the way....). Fired the material, magnet test, check, color looked red hot (During the day). Mounded the rest of the bag of charcoal on it and left it over night. Thanks
@Finn-McCool
@Finn-McCool 6 жыл бұрын
Hello Walker and thanks for the information. I would like to purchase some inexpensive knife blanks in order to practice grinding. Where would you recommend looking for cheap knife blanks? Or better yet, do you have a recommendation on something to practice on? I was considering using my stack of old mill files from my wood shop possibly. Any advise would be greatly appreciated, thanks again.
@WalterSorrellsBlades
@WalterSorrellsBlades 6 жыл бұрын
If you just want to practice grinding, you can't beat mild steel bars sold as welding steel. You can't harden them, but they're comparitively cheap.
@Finn-McCool
@Finn-McCool 6 жыл бұрын
Walter Sorrells thank you sir.
@lecapitain
@lecapitain 6 жыл бұрын
does combat abrasive ship to canada? did not find on there website
@southpaw214
@southpaw214 6 жыл бұрын
Could you do a video on how to put serrations on a knife, or how to do file work on the spine of a knife? Thanks
@colsoncustoms8994
@colsoncustoms8994 6 жыл бұрын
I second this. I have been wanting to make a bread knife for a while but short of quite expensive grinding wheels, there aren't many options that I have seen. Tired to freehand some with a small 1/2" sanding drum and 1/4" grinding wheel but they turned out sub par and I had to grind them back to a standard full flat.
@matthewmarting3623
@matthewmarting3623 6 жыл бұрын
The most sure fire way that I have found to put serrations in is to carefully file them. You could also Dremel them in but don't use a die grinder - way too aggressive. Be mindful of your angles, be consistent - you can aim the file by standing in one spot and try and get the same sight picture each time or use a jig. Or if you're like me just go for it - the spikes are meant for protecting the edge and tearing, not for geometric perfection.
@DoggoWillink
@DoggoWillink 5 жыл бұрын
I would like to see this as well, just out of curiosity (not going to try it anytime soon). My guess is that without a CNC machine of some kind, the best bet would be to use a very thin contact wheel with a thin flexible belt. If you watch “Man at Arms: Reforged”, you’ll see them use a grinder like this regularly for fullers and other stuff. My guess is that you could do it with that kind of grinder, although the spacing and beveling would be incredibly hard still I’m guessing. The other idea I have, just instinctively anyway, is to cut out a semi circle with a file or rotary grinder, and then use a small flexible belt to bevel them (actually, a worksharp sized belt would probably work well).
@thelastraider6786
@thelastraider6786 3 жыл бұрын
Wish I had found this vid earlier. Just fubared my rail spike blade i was working on and going to have to reforge.
@19bowhunt69
@19bowhunt69 5 жыл бұрын
I sometimes end up with ripples in the middle of my bevel when I'm using 120 grit and up what causes it
@Dailyartpallette
@Dailyartpallette 3 жыл бұрын
I've been doing this with an angle grinder 40yrs now
@SmDJeremy
@SmDJeremy 3 жыл бұрын
haha just had the issue with my grind line going all the way to the spine... my fix "welp, take er all down now!" Haha if only i realized i could just take a few thou off the flat of the blade. Now I know!
@sumochop360
@sumochop360 6 жыл бұрын
Just a heads up! I'm listening with headphones and the transitions with the music is really loud so I'm having to keep turning down the volume then turning it back up to hear you speaking. It's not so bad that I'll stop watching the videos but a slight volume reduction during the transition would be appreciated.
@jojomama4787
@jojomama4787 6 жыл бұрын
sumochop360 ... you're not trying to blame him for YOU wearing headphones are you?poor,poor baby!
@radoslawjocz2976
@radoslawjocz2976 6 жыл бұрын
Walter, you are all right, but much easier is to make fixture which set the angle between blade to the belt automatically.
@NRiggiKnives
@NRiggiKnives 6 жыл бұрын
Radoslaw Jocz Knife bevel jigs, lots for sale or just make one. I made one and helped me alot. I have some for sale as well.
@randysweet7474
@randysweet7474 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Walter is it possible to make a karambit on a 1" wide piece of steel? I don't remember if it is
@colsoncustoms8994
@colsoncustoms8994 6 жыл бұрын
You probably could, but I might try to forge it out a little or upset the steel and then forge it out. 1.25" would give you more steel to work with around the ring. If you have a way to drift the ring, 1" wide should be plenty. I like to use a 1" wrench to make them sometimes, but that is the interior of the box end.
@randysweet7474
@randysweet7474 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@matthewjackson9615
@matthewjackson9615 6 жыл бұрын
Seems to me after watching various videos on knife making across the KZfaq universe, free-hand grinding skill is what separates the master craftsmen from the incorrigibly unskilled and mediocre amateur wannabes. In short, your grinding skill is what makes or breaks you as a custom knife maker.
@jodyfree953
@jodyfree953 2 жыл бұрын
👍🏻💯
@stevenbusch9336
@stevenbusch9336 Жыл бұрын
🤘🏼⚔️
@scrapforge5756
@scrapforge5756 6 жыл бұрын
Anybody have and tips on getting a round handle mine just keep square bc of the pins and good way to get around them
@bibbabibba1975
@bibbabibba1975 6 жыл бұрын
DeckDemonS hammer in wood pins first, unglued, then put in real pins after shaping.
@colsoncustoms8994
@colsoncustoms8994 6 жыл бұрын
if you screw up your grind lines, a full flat or convex always works well in a pinch.
@matthewmarting3623
@matthewmarting3623 6 жыл бұрын
Lol, that's exactly what I was thinking. "I went for a rustic look on this blade, challenged myself to make it using an angle grinder".
@colsoncustoms8994
@colsoncustoms8994 6 жыл бұрын
haha yep
@KHRSace
@KHRSace 6 жыл бұрын
I'm in the process of making my first knife (from an old rusty cleaver I got for $1) and I'm at the point where I can't continue the process without a belt sander so I'm looking into getting one. What a coincidence lol
@checoleman8877
@checoleman8877 6 жыл бұрын
KHRS whats your price range?
@KHRSace
@KHRSace 6 жыл бұрын
The only one I can "afford" right now (by afford I mean what I'm willing to spend on something that's going to be used very rarely in this context and I won't be able to use due to leaving for boot camp) is the $50 generic one from Harbor Freight. This knife (about 6 inch long) and possibly a smaller knife from the cutoff are the only knives I'll be making in the foreseeable future unless I happen upon another "easy" project like this. Basically, something cheap that I'll only use a few times (for now).
@Edge1775
@Edge1775 6 жыл бұрын
throttling the blade is a better term for problem 2
@gillianriveralim
@gillianriveralim 4 жыл бұрын
Take a shot whenever he says bevel
@wumarNart
@wumarNart 6 жыл бұрын
Who is Kevin ?
@LawnMowerProductions
@LawnMowerProductions 5 жыл бұрын
*When you use a angle grinder for your bevels*
@kynaston1474
@kynaston1474 6 жыл бұрын
I had to stop halfway through this one because I realized it's going to make me overthink what I'm doing. lol
@Gary3247
@Gary3247 6 жыл бұрын
I would suggest to the new knifemaker to go down to their local hardware store & buy some cheap steel bars and practice on them until they are confident on grinding. I bought 4 or 5 bars of 1/8-1/4" bars, cut them into 8" lengths & practiced on them. I do the same thing when trying out new patterns.
@showstopper540
@showstopper540 5 жыл бұрын
Always good to practice on some cheaper stuff than just going right into it. Working on my freehand grinds still after working on blades on and off for the past 6 months. Surely am better than the day i started, but need to keep improving
@tonywalker8030
@tonywalker8030 6 жыл бұрын
do you really want to get back into the game?
@THEsourman00
@THEsourman00 6 жыл бұрын
you lost on forged in fire. DISHONOR FAMILY
@romantressler4480
@romantressler4480 6 жыл бұрын
First yippie
@Bakers_Ville
@Bakers_Ville 6 жыл бұрын
Roman Tressler 5 seconds off bud. Sorry boutcha
@romantressler4480
@romantressler4480 6 жыл бұрын
Hum.....to be debated later
@andrewsmith1520
@andrewsmith1520 6 жыл бұрын
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