Blasphemy.

4 time dpoy ain't enough I guess

Yeah they TWEAKIN tweakin

Well I'm done couldn't make it pass the second pick

Ben Wallace over Camby anyday.

Simon Frederick ditto

nice to see 22 players from this year scored over 5000 points in the nba.....thats a lot...ben and atkins did it and were not drafted...

i guess im asking the wrong place but does any of you know a tool to log back into an instagram account..? I was stupid lost my login password. I would appreciate any assistance you can offer me

Aaron Hooper he can also pass. Peja arguably have one of the best pass in the NBA. Behind the back perfect pass to Bobby.

Angelo Amon Oh I know the play

Aaron Hooper personally I would had taken Peja in today’s game at 2. Taller version of Klay Thompson that can create his own shot. He can play at the top of the key and facilitate. Describing his game today would literally be considered number 1 draft.

Angelo Amon Agreed! And if his career went similar, in today’s game, as it did for his actual career, he could’ve slid to a stretch 4 in his later years. He was so versatile

Angelo Amon Klay Thompson way better Defense side of ball never a night off on that side and being more Clutch movements . He has a reputation for big Game 6 for closing you the series or bringing you into a gm 7 . Peja was a better Keith Van Horn mister 3/4 quarters

Pure lie off bail. Marbury had that 2003 Suns team in the playoffs where they almost upset San Antonio. They fired Frank Johnson early in 2003-2004,traded Marbury and tanked the rest of the season. Stop trying to rewrite history

@@elbowgang9715 exactly ppl wanna make up history to there own liking

All that praise ur giving nash and yet he still has 0 championships and 0 appearances in the finals. Dont ever put his name in the same discussion as some one like magic. It's disrespectful. Who cares about the suns beating the lakers from 2005-2007 when the lakers were a 7th and 8th seed for those playoff years. The lakers still almost beat the suns in a 7 game series in 06 when they were clearly out matched. Once the lakers became a good team again in 2008 they made easy work of the suns. Nash is overrated because he's a white guy that guys like bill and ryan and plenty of other white fans can relate to and that's fine. All of this is subjective. A person can think nash is the goat, whatever floats ya boat. But to most basketball fans especially those old enough like myself who watched nash and Iverson in there prime it's not even close. Nash was great but he had the best offense in the nba for almost a decade and got 0 championships and 0 finals appearances. U can come up with all the excuses u want, but they couldn't get it done. Iverson never had a great team around him like nash did and Iverson still made it to the finals unlike nash and Iverson also won a mvp and won so many scoring titles it's insane. Iverson was overall a better player than nash and honestly it's not even close. Nash played with amar'e, marion, diaw, Quentin Richardson, young joe Johnson, Barbosa and nash's stats got a boost playing in dantoni's offense. And that's just in Phoenix. I'm not even talking about the 50+ win team he had in Dallas that was loaded and couldn't get it done until nash left....Imagine what Iverson would of done in that mike dantoni offense? Maybe they would of made it to the finals one of those years with a Iverson instead...ppl like to make history into what they want it to be but just go back and look at how those Phoenix teams dominated in the regular season with nash but then the playoffs came around and they always folded. Always

@@JDandOL Hey there! First off, I wanna say I appreciate your thoughtful response. This back and forth is what makes sports debates super fun and engaging. To one of your first points about race/ethnicity playing a factor, I agree. There is a fixation on uplifting non-african americans to a pedestal that one could argue is rooted in anti-blackness. We clearly see that with folks who claim Bird was better than Lebron (SPOILER: he is not), and the recent phenomena surrounding players like Kristaps, Doncic, Linsanity 2012, etc. Throwing in the fact that Nash was born in South Africa during apartheid, grew up in Canada, and played basketball in the Silicon Valley, makes this point stand out even moreso. It is a factor that should not be ignored, and deserves to be examined further. For the sake of this argument, I'm going to try and focus mainly on basketball stats and impact. Comparing the offensive effectiveness of Nash and Magic doesn't take away anything from Magic's greatness, but rather shows that Nash's impact shouldn't be taken lightly. I never said that Nash is better than Magic and I know that throwing in other accolades + stats will always fall on the side of Magic so I am not sure where this idea of disrespect comes from? Secondly, the Pau-Kobe era Lakers met the Suns only once in 2010 and it went to 6, so "making easy work" is hyperbole. Thirdly, Nash led the best offense, and yes, he got to 0 finals, but was a consistent playoff contender, always being pushed out by the Mavs or Spurs. All that really proves is that the adage of "defense wins championships" rings VERY true, as Iverson's 1 finals appearance was on his arguably BEST defensive team he ever had, while Nash's teams were never built to support his defensive deficiencies like the Sixers were for AI. Your next point is where I have the most issues. I do very much agree that AI was an overall more talented player, no doubt, but I come from a place of valuing a player based on how they make the team better, putting them in a position to win. You say that "u can come up with all the excuses you want," but immediately follow it with an excuse as to why Iverson only made 1, in the Eastern conference no less. You say that they we should imagine what AI woulda done with that team, but thats the thing, he would have never been desired for that team because a scoring guard would not have made them better. Remember that year him and Melo teamed up? He had an amazing statistical campaign but Billups replacing him made them the better team because of how he made the team as a whole work. You say that "ppl like to make history into what they want it to be" but that is exactly the issue I see with Iverson. We tend to forget who Iverson was near the end of his career, especially after he got traded from Denver: a locker room problem, a somewhat selfish player, and ball-stopper, all the bad things about his game that were ignored because of his spectacular athleticism and offensive game that hadn't aged well. For all the flak that Kobe, Westbrook, Melo get for being arguably selfish players, we have eulogized Iverson for those same tendencies. When A.I. shoots a lot, despite how many times he misses, he is demonstrating heart. I see that as revising history. All in all, I would pick Nash because this video is a redraft: a thought debate about who you would want on your team. Iverson may have won 4 scoring titles, but Nash won 5 assists titles, many of them going on 50-40-90 seasons. Nash regularly scored 16 ppg, and coupled with 10 assists (generating at least 20 points per game before factoring in 3 pointers), and you can see why there is an argument to who you would want on your team more.

@@dylanbach8578 that long-ass comment, and you didn't even address the main point. You said "When he entered the Suns in 2004 (a 29 win team prior year...), he immediately made them a offensive juggernaut pushing them to 62 wins." You conveniently don't mention that they won 44 games in 2003 with Marbury and a ROOKIE Amare and that the Sun completely changed their offensive system with D'Antoni taking over in 2004. Stop commenting on race and reply to the other guy's point. Stop ignoring key facts when you make an argument...you're leaving out a big, relevant part of the picture

Agreed, it would add some much needed/entertaining hindsight.

Daniel Brick Agreed! Came to the comments to suggest it myself. Great minds!

1. Iverson 2. Camby 3. Shareef Adbur-Rahim 4. Stephon Marbury 5. Ray Allen 6. Antoine Walker 7. Lorenzen Wright (RIP) 8. Kerry Kittles 9. Samaki Walker 10. Erick Dampier 11. Todd Fuller 12. Vitaly Potapenko 13. Kobe 14. Peja Stojakovic 15. Steve Nash

brad monaghan Thank you 🙏

FallopianJones False.

verbadum22 that wasent Iversons fault bro

? I don't understand how's he's at number 4. Ray Allen over him? Come on.... Kobe and Nash I don't mind but Ray? These so called sports experts today just lose credibility.

@@brandonethereal1084 lets be realistic here and stop the nostalgia, he wasn't efficient, him scoring doesn't translate to playoff success other than that 1 season he had, he can't co exist with another co-star which is hurts the teams he is on cause you will never win a chip being the only Elite/all star level player on the team...he was a great player but lets not overblow his value.

@@ShanLoHoops No nostalgia....... You wanna talk about someone with no playoff success because of their style look no further than James choke Harden. Ai did all he could.🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️

I'd take Allen or AI for sure. However I got AI over Nash. 1. Kobe 2. Allen 3. AI 4.Nash 5. Wallace 6. Peja

Mike Saks Simmons is the only media member that gives Pacers players their due credit. Jermaine was a beast on both sides of the ball

Not better than Wallace

He was the reason, besides Reggie, the Pacers almost won a title.

@@tommycochran1019 ARTEST WAS THIRD MVP VOTE AND WON DPOY U BLIND DAMAGED PATHOLOGICAL LIAR. JERMAINE WASNT REASON U LIAR. ALMOST ??? WELL BIG BEN WASNT ''ALMOST'' HE HUMILIATED KOBRICK AND SHAQ U LIAR.

@@MeMe-td1ye yes he is. Wallace couldn’t score. O’Neal was good on both ends. Give me a break😂

Bingo

100%

I’d say Kyler

Speaking of QBs... Have you seen Iversons Qb video from high school? Impressive enough playing basketball at that size. He was a damn good football player as well...

BRYANT IS NOBODY NEVER SAW PLAYOFF IN CAREER. NASH ALWAYS HAD 3 OR 4 ALLSTARS SNIPERS. DIRK FINLEY STACKHOUSE ANTOINE WALKER JAMISON...THEN ISO JOE JOHNSON, AMARE, MATRIX THOSE ARE 10 ALLSTARS. NAME ME 1 ALLSTAR IVERSON HAD BESIDE OLD MUTOMBO WHO CANT SHOOT ??? BRYANT IS NOBODY. IM GLAD KARMA PAYBACK TO LIAR. REST IN PIECES FOR GIRL THAT U ABUSED 2003 AND RIGGED RINGS BY TIM DONAGHY.

Totally a missed detail. Also a hysterical moment

@@Kingsley114 i still swear to this day that Diaw should've been Finals MVP that year. He was the best Spur no cap

Well if you want to watch some old basketball you might as well watch the best team basketball ever. That shit was insane. 5 guys moved as 1.

no comment or Charles Barkley

@@JAILEDforMEMES sure , yet i feel Barkley is a level above both these players

no comment definitely was. Barkley would had a ring if it wasn’t for MJ. Barkley also was able to sign with the best players around him. He was the best player in the 92 Dream Team. Not saying he is the best player out of that team, but during the Olympics Barkley would had been the Olympics Finals MVP if they had individual awards.

Sound dumb asf Ai top 10

@@stevenbarnes7960 and he didn't win shit , just like Dominique. Both are top 50 not top 10 😂😁 Iverson sure ain't top ten you moron child, when we're u born ? In the "I know everything era"¿? Stfu child.

P ND simmer down after Sam. You never saw Etan Thomas make a lay up in your life

@@enriqueworthy4481 Tim Thomas was balling on the Bucks too

Right on the $! They talking about Iverson didn't care about winning. With what team?! Iverson was the offense.

I think that their point was that you could build a team around Ray Allen compared to Allen Iverson. As they mentioned, Stackhouse, van Horn, Iguodala all could've been a great 2nd player for AI for years to come but nothing materialized there. Also, Iverson had to play his style which stunted the offense. As Bill also mentioned, Detroit nosedived once they traded for AI while Denver stayed with their relative amount of wins. They also didn't talk about his inefficiency which I understand that Iverson is barely "6'0" and that he had to shoot more due to a lack of another star, but it doesn't completely explain why AI shot 38.7% and 39.8% in separate seasons. The Bucks also improved by 8 games compared to the 76ers' 4 games in Ray and AI's rookie seasons.

Mckie was the 6th man and mutumbo won dpoy in 2001

The problem is the results. It's all self glossing. Only 1 playoff run in his entire career, his shit just didn't result in team success outside of that 1 run. That's the problem with AI. Reminds me of Westbrook's career. 1 Finals run, rest is all self glossing. Shout out Jim Rome.

You are cherry picking, Nash took a 29 win team to 62 wins, went deep in the playoffs way more times than Iverson in a way tougher conference. Iverson had one great year that people remember. Nash played 10 years longer in the league. Iverson rode the bench by 30.

@@cybersub4693 Westbrook's career is drastically different my misinformed friend, he started out in the league with KD and Harden starting out, then played with paul george, now lebron, he has never been the leader of a team, stop it man

@@ceceroxy2227 maybe the conference wasnt as tough as the hype makes it seem

Nash is a loser. How many NBA finals did Steve Trash make?

@@honeydontpourhoneyinmyassh2497 iverson got nothing without that 01

@@aarontan2197 Nash has nothing at all

@@jordan12118 LMAO check up his resume then come back lol

@Luke Skytalker i mean we can say that, but at least iverson did get one game vs lakers.

It was trash af

@@mavssami41 It was competitive. Are you saying that because it didn't feature two big market teams?

@@Doknot-tb9ey no bc it was one of the most boring finals rhe average score was like 75-77 lol wack

@@mavssami41 It was awesome. You don't get it.

@@Doknot-tb9ey it's nostalgia....it sucked I'm sorry but it was trash

Nice, tied for me kinda

Thought the same thing about O’Neal. Wallace as the centerpiece of that pistons defense was insane. Completely insane.

@@Walrus286O’Neil at five or six is fine, and the fact that you could logically argue he’s sixth speaks to how good this draft was

Nah camby over Marbury

Bill is obviously just a huge fan of that Bucks team in '01.

Charles Kruzits chill pal 😂

@Shawn Kemp yeah KD the softest player today

Ray is gonna help you win. Iverson is going to make you play his way and not take anything seriously. Look up all the stories and how he almost got traded before the '01 run. The one year he let himself be coached it worked because of the team around him. Otherwise, that dude cared too much about his image.

@@20marvelman Mick, I lived the first 22 years of life in Philadelphia during his run with the 76ers - I know the good and the bad. Your opening line is counter-productive to your argument. Ray Allen is certainly going to help you win but is he a standalone player? Of course not, he doesn't have that star power. The 76ers front office ran by Billy King was atrocious and did little to build a roster. Ray Allen on the 76ers wouldn't have even made the postseason.

i would of liked to see them go 3 more picks and see which 2 between jerome williams rasho nesterovic and malik rose got left off....thats a nice debate after damp and wright should go 15 and 16 imo...like I think malik was worse than those other 2...I really do but he had big playoff moments so what do you do there....on a neutral team i'm taking those other two over him but rose had a role on the spurs title teams and performed when needed in big games

BRYANT IS NOBODY NEVER SAW PLAYOFF IN CAREER. NASH ALWAYS HAD 3 OR 4 ALLSTARS SNIPERS. DIRK FINLEY STACKHOUSE ANTOINE WALKER JAMISON...THEN ISO JOE JOHNSON, AMARE, MATRIX THOSE ARE 10 ALLSTARS. NAME ME 1 ALLSTAR IVERSON HAD BESIDE OLD MUTOMBO WHO CANT SHOOT ??? BRYANT IS NOBODY. IM GLAD KARMA PAYBACK TO LIAR. REST IN PIECES FOR GIRL THAT U ABUSED 2003 AND RIGGED RINGS BY TIM DONAGHY.

I’d take Camby at eight over Marbury

Didn't Kobe have the previous record with 12?

@@ElBrillante4 I was referring to a season total.

His prime years were also in Milwaukee.

Juan M Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis Seattle teams where Dark Horse championship contenders. Behind the Lakers,Spurs,and the rest of the West when 50 wins couldn’t guarantee you a playoff spot

@@slickeddy2000 yah for one season we were contenders.

They are always trying to sway our thinking these media guys. That's why they omit a lot of context in their analysis.

Matt Geiger and Eric Snow is what AI had to work with. AI is criminally overlooked. He had nothing in Philly.

Last I checked mutombo made the finals with the nets

@@ohkay2360 you mean with the exact Nets team that made it the year before w/o Dikembe bcuz he was the second option..

@@rashadellison9593 no I mean like how you are wrong saying he only made one conference finals. Now that you have been proven wrong you are trying to what? Change your narrative? You said he made one conference finals. Take your L and move on. Like Iverson used to do.

No Nash only played well in Phoenix under the same system that brought us linsanity and James harden stats. I would not even pick Nash at all.

@@kalinwang1 yeah cause iverson was so good without the ball right?

kalinwang1 Oh... well in that case, Kobe only won championships in LA with a system that also made Jordan win... don’t pick Kobe either... idiot... now that we established your argument is stupid... Nash didn’t just play well under D’Antoni... a Nash-led team was the best offensive team for 10 straight seasons (how many seasons did D’Antoni coach Nash?) Do you know how many games D’Antoni with Marion Amare, Joe Johnson, Barbosa (the SAME team minus Nash) won prior to Nash’s arrival? 29 games... Nash singlehandedly gave the Suns a historical 33 win turnaround.

@@UtotheJ You feel to make your point with Kobe who played for one team so we have nothing to really know. Steve Nash played for the mavericks With a prime dirk and Steve Nash played with the lakers. The only system he played well in was the same system that brought us linsanity and bloated stats for Harden. Just like with Lin and Harden, Steve Nash only played well in that system. That d antoni system made an average bench player (Lin) play like an all star. It made a 2 year all star player (Nash) play like a back to back MVP(still should not have won) and it made a 7 time all star player (Harden) play like an all time Great. Wake up, Nash was not that good. Meanwhile Jason Kidd played well on every team he's been on. Kidd went back to back to the finals in the east and won in the west with the same players Nash couldn't win with.

kalinwang1 So much stupidity in one comment... 1. Kobe played for one team, so we don’t really know? Kobe without Phil Jackson was a first round exit AT BEST. You don’t have to play for different teams if your argument is SYSTEM 2. Neither Nash nor Dirk were in their primes on the Mavericks and they went to the CONFERENCE FINALS losing to eventual champion Spurs after Dirk was injured 3. You do realize Linsanity lasted TWO weeks, right? Nash lasted 10 years with AND WITHOUT D’Antoni 4. You do ALSO realize the system D’Antoni implemented for Harden is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE? Nash was PnR with shooters rotating the perimeter. Harden was switching to a favorable matchup to ISO... NOTHING alike. 5. What does Kidd have to do with 1996 draft? 6. Yes Kidd is great, but back to back Finals only to be completely embarrassed against the West in both Finals. 7. Won with the same players in the West Nash couldn’t win with? Is this a joke? LITERALLY not a single point you made is a fact... stop wasting my time...

Would've been crazy

KG would've had the same problems with Iverson as he had with Marbury. There's only one basketball and both guys wanted to control the offense. It would not have worked.

@@jbizz80 Iverson is a much better player than Marbury though. I trust that they would've figurued it out

@@jbizz80 People in Minnesota wanted KG to take more shots late. He was very unselfish, and would pass up contested shots, passing to wide open teammates, who generally sucked... AI and KG could have worked... KG didn't have problems with Marbury, it was Marbury who wanted to be the man.

JBiz80 Their cut from the same cloth, I’d imagine they figure out how to play with each other

Exactly. These bums forget he had *no help whatsoever* on offense. He took lots of bad shots because *he had too* . By the time he had another scorer to play with his body was beat to hell ! If he had Melo from yr 1 I think his qvg stays the same *but* his efficiency shoots up along with his assists per game. He was underrated passer and defender imo. Imagine if AI goes to Dallas and plays with Dirk ? Jesus !

Sort of. Top picks were usually 21-22 years old, so if you drafted a guy top 3 and he didn't show something impressive in the first 2 years, you started second guessing your pick. Chauncey Billups got traded 3 times in his first 2 years, and all 4 teams gave up on him. Teams might have been more patient if he'd been #13 pick or something.

this just shows these guys are using win shares off basketballreference.com to decide their picks not stats or eye test cause win shares has to do with your team not you individually hence why rasho nesterovic had a top 10 career of this draft according to that stat because he played next to kg bosh and duncan flat out every year almost of his career so of course he is going to win more games than someone on the grizzlies for example at that time but it had nothing to do with rasho as the stats prove...its lazy to decide this way....according to win shares fisher is a top 11 player of this draft..yeah fucking right... ...brad miller went undrafted in 98 so they didn't even draft him cause he didn't show up in the 98 draft and they forgot about deshawn stevenson in the worst draft ever in 2000, not saying deshawn would be top 15 in most drafts but in 2000 he is cause he had a long solid career albeit a bad stats one he had some tony allen in him or bowen or battier or prince where the stats didn't represent his effect on a defense amongst other picks they did like the often injured career starter on bad teams garbage time minny all star michael dickerson in 98 over some dudes or picking jay will in 2002 when he had no career to speak of due to injury and picking nash over ray allen and ai was just insanity imo...

@@razkable BRYANT IS NOBODY NEVER SAW PLAYOFF IN CAREER. NASH ALWAYS HAD 3 OR 4 ALLSTARS SNIPERS. DIRK FINLEY STACKHOUSE ANTOINE WALKER JAMISON...THEN ISO JOE JOHNSON, AMARE, MATRIX THOSE ARE 10 ALLSTARS. NAME ME 1 ALLSTAR IVERSON HAD BESIDE OLD MUTOMBO WHO CANT SHOOT ??? BRYANT IS NOBODY. IM GLAD KARMA PAYBACK TO LIAR. REST IN PIECES FOR GIRL THAT U ABUSED 2003 AND RIGGED RINGS BY TIM DONAGHY.

@@razkable massive double standard in how they justify some of these picks. Jay Will and Darko picks for upside and “what if” factor like we haven’t already seen how these careers played out and then pick guys for longevity with the benefit of hindsight. The whole concept is that you’re GM with a time machine, how the tf do you pick jay williams top 14? It’s crazy. The guy on the 2003 redraft was an espn writer who had darko at #2 at the time, then picks him at 14 like he still can’t let go of his all time terrible mock draft. At that point you may as well take guys like brandon roy, oden, jay will at #1 bc who knows how good they could’ve been.

Let's look at why nash didn't 03 Dirk gets hurt in conference finals 05 Joe johnson breaks his face 06 by the time they hit the conference finals they are missing 3/5th of their starting line still take mavs to 6 07 game 1 bloody nose game 3 the ref goes to prison for betting against them game 5 suspensions

oh kay AND Losing to ALL eventual champions except for that Mavs team that got robbed by DWade. Had Nash broke through in ANY of those years, they’d be overwhelming favorites to win the championship

Somebody watched SB nation untitled

Werent they talking shit about Nash winning those two MVPs? About how Shaq and Kobe shoulda won them? LOL

Nash made one SEMI-final and nothing after that

They literally explain why for like 15 minutes. I dont agree with them, but hey, I count the culture

Just heard that, paused the video, agreeing with your comment and not bothering to watch the rest. They lost all credibility there. Iverson haters claiming not to be. period.

They tried to justify it as Ray being a safer bet to be part of a championship team. I would think that as a top 3 pick, you should lean heavily on the player that is more likely to lead you to a Chip, to me that’s still Iverson. Otherwise, I would pick someone like Steve Kerr over Iverson.

@Liam Foster People forget that Ray was only taking backseat when he got to the tail end of his career. Ray was an on-ball, off-ball monster like Durant and Curry. He was and could be your primary scorer at his prime. I love AI but as a GM, you take Ray Allen for most teams. AI was predecessor to D. Rose types wherein you need a defensive-minded team around him with shooters. If AI were more like CP3, then yeah, you take him over Ray Allen.

I think that their point was that you could build a team around Ray Allen compared to Allen Iverson. As they mentioned, Stackhouse, van Horn, Iguodala all could've been a great 2nd player for AI for years to come but nothing materialized there. Also, Iverson had to play his style which stunted the offense. As Bill also mentioned, Detroit nosedived once they traded for AI while Denver stayed with their relative amount of wins. They also didn't talk about his inefficiency which I understand that Iverson is barely "6'0" and that he had to shoot more due to a lack of another star, but it doesn't completely explain why AI shot 38.7% and 39.8% in separate seasons. The Bucks also improved by 8 games compared to the 76ers' 4 games in Ray and AI's rookie seasons.

I agree with you but Nash went to the WCF and lost to the lakers.

I don't love the execution....wright not making the list is a crime...r.i.p....dickerson just didn't have a career to speak of he was a garbage time all star getting stats in blowout losses playing 39 minutes when he was a 28 minute player max... and he had injuries..wright aleast contributed to playoff teams...

When was this? When ray allen was 30?

It wasn’t the playoffs but I’m guessing it was when he dropped 47 with Milwaukee or his 54 with Seattle

He was fucking terrible on offense, he's basically DeAndre Jordan on an insanely defensively good Pistons team that played the slowest, most painful to watch basketball.

The NBA wanted Iverson in that 2001 Finals.

Disagree. If Iverson cared "in a soldier" way, he would have taken better care of his body. And yes, he would have *practiced* more, and expanded his offensive capabilities. There's a reason that he was out of the league as soon as it became apparent to everyone that his body was giving in to age.

Peter MaDash which makes no sense. Iverson was great for over a decade. And it’s the front offices that forced him out. And you’re right. Iverson came out NBA ready. It took Steve Nash a few years to find his groove.

Steve Nash took a while to develop because at his first stint with Phoenix the PG starting position was held up by JKidd and Kevin Johnson was still playing at the time as well, so you can't really develop quickly when your minutes are spread across other more established PGs. He got better when he got to Dallas and was totally unleashed when he got with D'Antoni in Phoenix. I think the knock on Nash was the pure fact that he was waaay ahead of his time. His abilities just wasn't appreciated fully during his first few years in the league but when he was given the chance, he took the chance. Also his style just aged better with the league. He was in his mid-30s with Phoenix and was still contributing greatly to winning records and long runs in the Playoffs which is something I can't say for AI

@@Wolvie12100 That argument can be made about a lot of great players. Kobe was held back and buried on the Lakers bench by Del Harris. He is still number 1 on any list. That is not an excuse. The fact is, Iverson was better... 4x scoring champion, 7x All-NBA attests to this. I doubt you will find many basketball fans who think Nash had a better career than AI.

@@Wolvie12100 gtfoh Nash didn't become great until the rules changed to a European style. Take y'all asses back to hockey yall made basketball even softer

And never cared about winning

AI was playing with the same level of talent squads Kobe was missing the playoffs with

Nas Holston Kobe was in the WEST.

@@nasholston5112 Kobe would have made it in the east too though.

@@austin78993 Wasn't talking about Kobe lol. He's far and away #1 its not even a question.

Oh wait y'all don't know what I'm referring to. I'm talking about AI and Kobe from about 05-07. They both put up huge numbers on shitty teams and didnt make the playoffs. I'm not arguing that Kobe is not better than AI. Thats a stupid argument. I'm saying they criticized Iverson for not winning with no talent and I wanted to point out what happened to Kobe with no talent

What happened?

Kills me that people forget that.

🤦🏾He had a team full of great defenders like dpoy mutombo, ratliff, raja bell and lynch. Even had OG derrick Coleman on the squad. It wasnt a super team but the team was good for iverson. It was hard for guys to score on them. Crazy how young fans disrespect some of these players.

@@adgee5401 no one forgets that. What people forget is how incredibly horrible the EAST was.

@@macnificent4 Derrick Coleman wasn’t on that team. Snow Iverson Lynch Hill Mutumbo. McKee off the bench. Only Mutumbo and McKee averaged 12 pts a game. Everybody else averaged less than 10. All defensive studs though, correct. Now do Bucks from that year.

@@Walrus286 I was watching derrick Coleman fight videos before that lol. Youre right

It's not slander if it's the truth

Truth hurts. Guy wasn’t THAT good

These guys are tripping

I think he was the more skilled player than Allen or Nash, but he didn't seem to elevate his teams in the playoffs. He meant more for the culture and perception of the game, than he actually did to his teams' winning on the court. He is a less efficient Kyrie in my opinion. All world handles and ruthless to the cup. He just didn't have "it", whatever in the hell that means.

nitsuj salohcin he was THAT good. He was just a hard player to build around. Great individual talent however.

Just incredible

It’s a reason why his body broke down, but he is one of the best athletes to lace up, but there is a reason why z Lebron is on season 22 and AI is done at 14… but he beat that 01 Lakers team which demolished everyone that season, Game 1 was a classic & Iverson just wasn’t going to be able to get 46 each game and 4 losses later, Lakers were all time playoff great…

Are you kidding me? It's pretty much been proven that series was fixed. Along with Sacramento getting screwed in 2002.

Zach V that’s bs. If Milwaukee couldn’t win a “fixed” series when Iverson could barely walk, they didn’t deserve to win.

@@here4boxing oh your one of those people who didn't watch the series.. How about the bucks receiving 5 flagrant fouls to Sixers 0. Twelve technical fouls! Scott Williams being suspended for a game seven in the ecf. Milwaukee had no post defense! It wasn't rigged, but you sure as hell got help from the nba. Plus mutombo was great in that series and Aaron McCie was defensive player of the year. Wish I lived in the narrative you believed in when everything is so simple.

Michael Rohde Iverson could barely walk by game 7. Scott Williams wasn’t the x-factor in the series. Milwaukee as a team had horrible shot selection. They blew it themselves.

That why iverson was the second best player and would be picked second in this draft put hem on his back and won over Allen and company and Nash didnt make the final ever I watch the games and iverson was one of a kind

So true, well said and I completely agree!

Jordan Davis Ryen is just convinced they need to upgrade from theis and kanter

Would have still been better than Antoine Walker

@@DTwoHS Would it have been?

@@yeetmeat7837 Even from 24 years ago😂

Boston had Wallace out of that draft. He tried out for them but got cut. 1996 Wallace was just a skinny swingman who couldn't shoot. Nobody wanted him until he started talking *ahem* vitamins. And every team got better when they got rid of Marbury.

Would that be a logical reason if it was All Star Game?

What's up with Bill Simmons and Ryen disrespecting Iverson like that?

They sound racist. And I'm a white guy. But there is no way in hell that nash is picked before Iverson

Wtf?? Now they saving Ray Allen over Iverson!!!! Wtf

@Don Cornelius huh? but he made them good enough to get to the finals. Nash couldn't do that and had a way better team. So did nash make his team that much better?

@Don Cornelius yeah I'm a idiot for thinking 2 middle age white males would be bias towards a guy like Iverson. Lol when clearly Iverson was the better player

Where do you watch them?

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Ray Allen is all time leader in major statistical category averaged 26 a game hall of famer somewhere around 25k in points 2 time champ like multiple time all nba even more all star games in other words it is nothing like picking Reddick over russ

oh kay He’s obviously better than JJ Redick, but as far as a #1 option is concerned, he’s closer to other 20,000 point scoring role players like Joe Johnson, Vince Carter and Antawn Jamison than he is to league MVPs like Allen Iverson, Russell Westbrook or Kobe Bryant. He won his championships playing in a JJ Redick type role, so I don’t think those rings should be used as an argument for his overall ability as a team’s best player.

@@PlatoIII he was the best player on a 54 win in a deep western conference team who lost to the champs they may have won 52 games that season not sure idk where he is all I know if you picked iverson over him I understand if you pick him over Iverson I understand that too cause was his 18 yrs worth more than Iverson's 14 is what they are arguing

with lewis hurt

I remember that shiiiiz

The irony- Ray Allen eventually did shoot down the San Antonio Spurs

@@dayofayanju9021 on one of the greatest last minute and championship losing saving shot as to know where to stop and turn and drain that three, crazy

Go watch the 01 ECF and say that with a straight face

@@theeggreat4 Revisionist historians all over KZfaq. 20 years from now them kids will tell us that Harden got no respect from the refs

@@theeggreat4 go look it up. Even a referee admitted they don't like him that's why the calls never go his way. I admit, that series against the bucks was questionable in their favor but that was 1 series against a whole lot of games throughout his career

Neal bill Russell also had an awful offensive game

Bill Russell could score and was the centerpiece of their offense through his passing. Actually the Celtics struggled when he retired offensively because of his absence. Bill wrote about this in 2009.

Glad somebody said it

1 - Shooting percentages, mate. Shooting the ball 30 times per game will inflate your scoring average but a poor shooting % like Iverson's decreases your team's chance of winning. 2 - Hockey assists and passing the ball is essential even when it doesn't show on the assist sheet. 3 - Sometime it's preferable to stay in position than to gamble for a steal and get burned for a basket. 4 - Advanced stats show that Nash's impact on winning was basically the same as Iverson's. The difference was between volume vs. efficiency. 5- Nash's prime in Phoenix was not 14 ppg but 17 ppg. Overall, Iverson was a better defender and Nash the better offensive player.

BRYANT IS NOBODY NEVER SAW PLAYOFF IN CAREER. NASH ALWAYS HAD 3 OR 4 ALLSTARS SNIPERS. DIRK FINLEY STACKHOUSE ANTOINE WALKER JAMISON...THEN ISO JOE JOHNSON, AMARE, MATRIX THOSE ARE 10 ALLSTARS. NAME ME 1 ALLSTAR IVERSON HAD BESIDE OLD MUTOMBO WHO CANT SHOOT ??? BRYANT IS NOBODY. IM GLAD KARMA PAYBACK TO LIAR. REST IN PIECES FOR GIRL THAT U ABUSED 2003 AND RIGGED RINGS BY TIM DONAGHY.

@@karimb972 NASH HAD SPREAD FLOOR WITH SNIPERS U BLIND DAMAGED PATHOLOGICAL LIAR DONT U EVER TALK BOUT SPORT AGAIN U LIAR !! U DAMAGED PATHOLOGICAL

@@karimb972 Nash had 10 allstars in Dallas and Phoenix entire decade from 1996 to 2006 won nothing. Nowitzki Joe Johnson Finley Jamison Antoine Walker Van Exel Antawn Jamison Matrix Amar'e Stackhouse etc. Nash is nobody in history Iverson is GOD. Easy to score when Nowitzki and Finley spread floor . You are deranged.

Nope, but they're capable of keeping the team afloat and getting the best out of everyone. That was the one year Iverson let himself be coached, and if the dude isnt about winning, why have him on your team? Its why he was almost trades to Detroit befoee that season

People always say he carried that team with the coach of the year the dpoy and the 6th man oh yeah and Iverson the MVP, AI my favorite player of all time but basketball is a team sport Ray Allen ain't better but Nash is arguable

It took a cheating Ref and a Shameful Comish JUST TO KEEP NASH OUT OF THE FINALS.

Nash was ridiculously close to doing so and he played in the West against some top tier teams. Ill take him over AI all fucking day! Lets not mention the intangibles, like leadership and overall personality.

Also Nash's team came back down from 3-1 against Kobe, coming back 3-1 is away more impressive than getting basically swept in the finals 4-1

Camby shouldn’t even be in the same conversation as Wallace or Peja

Was he? Wallace wasn't asked to do anything other then play D and rebound. Camby was a phenomenal dedender and you could ryn offense through as a passer. People cringed when Wallace touched the ball.

@@josephjohnroe3678 we didn't cringe, we held our breath and prayed! Though I'd rather have a 4 time DPOY on my team anchoring the defense

Celtics bias

Are u fuking kidding me?

Lowry is a fukin scrub. When your game consists of 75% flopping and manipulating the refs, how can anyone respect this guy.

@@adelinesarkissian8161 New to watching basketball I see.

I was finally waiting for someone to say that! This is exactly why people treasure Allen Iverson far more than any other player in the draft aside from Kobe. Or maybe even more than him, because being born and raised in the same state as him, I don’t know too many players from that area that would’ve made it and then impacted the NBA like he did. He’s a cultural icon and people seem to dismiss that notion

It's like 2 drug addicts trying to formulate an argument smh

what slander? they praised non-stop. Why mad because they personally wouldn't draft him before Nash or Allen? It's a legitimate discussion. They presented their arguments in a respectful manner. That is not slander. Slander is calling them drug addicts.

@@karimb972 Or alcoholics who partied to the point that it was detrimental to their career. Oh wait, that's what actually happened in Iverson's case.

You think AI better than Tmac?

Fuck yes AI is better then T Mac. T Mac shouldn’t even be in the HOF. He never got out the first round of the playoffs are you kidding me

@@swizzy215 Holy shit you're living proof that NBA fans don't watch games.

@@swizzy215 T Mac never played on a team that was good enough to make the finals. You can't make the finals on your own.

@@justaloe we make a ton of excuses. Idc about talent, I saw T Mac play too much in my life. At the end of the day results matter. T Mac if he is the caliber player you all claim he is or rather the NBA HOF claims he is should have seen the 2nd round of an NBA playoff once. I’m not asking for a finals appearance or even conference final. Just the second round. Now if that’s too much to ask especially when he had Yao Ming then I apologize my expectations are too high 😂

I’d take Nash over iverson as well

They were just trying to justify taking him number 4

They praised him a lot but he was innefficient and a minus defender. There was zero hate coming out of them. None. You confuse cold assessment and preference for Allen and Nash for hate which is incorrect.

@Don Cornelius you don't know much basketball bud, probably a bandwagon golden state fanboy smh

Pedro Blake Yep. Im a long suffering Sixers fan. Barkley and AI and a mountain of bums over the course of 30 years

It dates well before him but Evan turner still haunts me.

Agreed, well said!

Debatable. He was a much better offensive talent than Wallace and U wouldn’t lose much defensively. Plus it took Ben a while to get going. Peja maybe.

Truth

Don Cornelius AI was past his prime by then

@Don Cornelius carmelo, Iv'e never been a good teammate and never led a team to a playoff win, Anthony?

Big Sky Blue How was AI out of his prime? So basically around 07-08?! When Nash was just got done winning his MVPs? When Kobe was starting his 2nd dynasty run? When Ray Allen was just being recognized as the best shooter outside of Curry? When Peja injury ridden still managed to be a 2nd option to CP3 and became a role player for Mavs 3 years later? AI was already out of his prime? Well he really was so how can you take him over Allen and Nash? When AI peaked early in a conference that was weak and couldn’t cut in the West. Where West players playoff battles were gauntlets, and those better players had a longer caree than AI.

Stack was putting up a consistent 20 plus a night his first 10 years outside of his injury seasons in 98 and 99. They traded him and he put up 30 lol. Not everyone wanted to play with a guy who dribbled for 20 seconds every possession. Stack was a monster on both ends for his 1st 10 years. Stop it.

Lol jerry stackhouse I'm crying they said mutombo he good for 8 points I'm crying these dudes are jokes it's sad they have sports credentials

I take him over Wallace and Camby. Dude was a beast on offense. His game was a lot like Jermaine ONeal’s on offense.