The trichrome attempts without the IR-cut filter actually look amazing! Would love to see more of that.

I actually like the second trichrome images, they remind me of vaporwave

Pro tip for the diy filter: Don't spray the filter straight on, spray a bit in the air and then catch the particles with the filter. That way you get an even coat, I found 2-3 layers to be quite a bit too much for my liking (though it depends on how thick your coats are). It's worth doing a coat, testing on a digi camera and adding/starting over if needed. After doing this, make sure to screw the filter on, so you don't accidentally touch or smear it. This is my first time seeing this film, didn't even know it existed. You're like the only channel that I have notifications enabled, these videos are just way too fun to watch.

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Infrared is definitely going to diffuse differently than visible, maybe it would be worth contacting Tiffen to see if anyone there has any ideas on getting proper pro-mist-like diffusion with an IR exposure

I really miss HIE, I wish someone else would come up with an infrared film with that level of sensitivity and no anti-galati on layer. But the cost of HIE back in the day was around £15 a roll, which means under today’s costs it would probably be around £60 a roll.

the picture from 4:52 give me aerochrome vibes

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For what little it's worth, I feel like your fogged filter / diy diffraction filter might be going for a more soft focus / chromatic aberration style effect, rather than simulation halation. Soft focus gives fuzzy edges across the field, and if my brain is working right, I think halation would give you fuzzy edges around the brighter parts of the image. Then again, I'm sure they're close enough in practice. So, whatever. heh Anyway, for halation simulation? My guess might be to do multiple exposures, one regular one, and then one with a fog filter atop at a much shorter shutter speed to get the fuzzy highlights. That, or something silly like putting a reflective surface behind your film. Then again maybe Orwo's UN54 would be easiest, it doesn't have an anti halation layer (but it only goes up to 650nm so, *shrug* on the HIE simulation) Total aside but I am a bit of a soft focus enjoyer. If you have money to burn, there are some modern lenses which have that fuzzy CA wide open, most recently, the voigtlander 50/1.5 heliar classic.

those second trichrome attempt looks crazy!

Dude what a pleasure of a video. Such a cool experiment!! I have 2 or 3 rolls in the fridge I’ve been keeping for a rainy (er, sunny) day. Maybe it’s time :)

It’s always a good day when I see that you’ve uploaded a new video 🥳

Definitely gonna scratch my rear elements and try this

Never seen HIE where I live...sooooo,I'm just going to live vicariously. Another great video!

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I love everything about this video. Kodak HIE looks incredible. Please continue experimenting as some others have already suggested. Removing the anti-halation layer, different filters, shiny backing paper/pressure plate. Love your channel

do a trichrome but instead of colour filters use 590nm 680nm and 720nm ir filtrs

I really miss HIE, I have one roll I never froze and it's probably really fried by now. Back in the day I shot a bunch of it. I bought a few books, that because they discuss Kodak and Konica B&W IR films are themselves obsolete. They tought me a lot and some good note taking and I was getting great results. I actually sold some poster prints of my backyard! Now days I try to recreate it with my IR converted D300S BUT... I would totally use this film again if Kodak re released it. It's along with Aerochrome IR that I wish we'd see again. Knowing Kodak they'd charge $40 a roll though.

I love this side of film photography you really do interesting stuff, keep it up!

This is all very interesting to watch, thanks:)

I imagine the glow is going to be problematic. On HIE it is caused by a lack of anti-halation layer so the glow is cause by light piping through the film surface. The highlights glow while the shadows don't, the highlights bleed into them. A lens filter will make for a uniform blurriness rather than glow. Perhaps a proper Pro-mist filter would help; they tend to make highlights softer without effecting shadows too much.

Never bothered to try but I've heard of washing away the antihalation dyes before shooting.

I haven't done this but I've thought about it long enough that it might just work. The only thing is that it won't work for portraits, but I don't think you'll mind. Put a fog filter on the lens to make things glow. Add a green filter to make the foliage properly white. And on top of that put a polarizer to make sure that the skies turn black. That should give you the look you want.

Back in the day, there was a "secret" approach to managing the grain of the HIE: using Kodak's D-76 reversal process - very high ISO and virtually NO GRAIN. But you got a positive instead of a negative...

The shot at 5:42 (without the hairspray filter) is sick. Some of the other ones on HIE and faux-HIE are also awesome. While you got closer than I would have guessed to emulating that awesome HIE look with diffusion/scuffed rear elements, etc., it seems like you're fundamentally just softening everything, which isn't quite the same as getting halation glow. Halation would leave shadows relatively sharp and make highlights more diffuse, right? Crazy idea, what if you unspooled some regular IR film like SFX, gave it a distilled water rinse in complete darkness, let it dry in complete darkness, and then respooled it into the cassette (or back on the spool with backing paper if you do it with 120 instead of 135). You'd rinse off all the anti-halation dyes. In theory you'd end up with an unexposed IR film that simply lacks the anti-halation layer. Almost exactly the same thing as HIE, just not quite as strongly infrared. Of course you may well screw up other things on the emulsion by wetting and drying it, but I'd guess probably not too severely. After all, the images on film still look great after being thoroughly wet and dried during a standard development process. I have a few rolls of SFX I bought last winter that have been sitting in the fridge waiting for summer. Once I get a good "standard" process dialed in for them I might sacrifice one in the name of science...

Dang, this is some really cool stuff It’s super niche, but I checked out some other videos on your channel, and it’s all really good!

Wonderful shots, well done! Love the try-and-see attempts. I woulda tried vasaline lol, or candle wax but smh. T. Hanks for the Big inspiration.

3:25 is just an amazing photo, I love it so much, with less grain it would be perfect

This is no longer about "good shot"... I look at it and... It's a pleasure for my eyes and as such screw the faults, this is art.

You doing a great job! I like very much the result of colour reproduction of your last try in this video. Also I'd like to point you on a small detail: some old lenses have a IR mark on the focusing ring, mean that you need shift focus for IR light. Not sure that all modern lens have good chromatic aberration correction. And at this point not only glow but some focus loss may take a place.

I shot some HIE portraits a long time ago, using flash and 87c IR filters (IR only). It loved studio flash and had some fascinating effects. It would be wonderful if a film manufacturers would bring back the color and BnW IR films. I’m using a camera converted by Kolari for full spectrum. It’s fun, but the film was just somehow more intriguing.

I got my hands on a roll, for way more than I should've paid, but I'm excited to use it

Okay, so a) you want halation (or something like it), and b) you want at least 750 nm or so IR sensitivity (800+ would be better). Microfilm. Most microfilm stocks (like Copex Rapid or Imagelink FS) are coated on a clear base with no antihalation in any form, and many have "extended red sensitivity" -- both a higher sensitivity in the red part of the spectrum than common Type B panchromatic films (more like Tech Pan, another lost marvel that was itself based on a document film) and some sensitivity into near IR. Worst case, you can use a deep red instead of R72 for your IR effect shots; most foliage will still show the "glow" with this filter. For that matter, Tech Pan itself might work for this (though I don't think it's any cheaper than HIE, as it's been out of production longer and is likely to have collected less fog due to its low speed). You won't get that big, in-your-face grain your HIE samples gave (in fact, you'll have trouble finding grain to focus on if you make darkroom prints), but you might be able to recreate the rest of the HIE look, albeit with MUCH longer exposures (most of these films, in their optimized developers, are only ISO 12 to 50 for pictorial contrast -- Copex Rapid is one of the faster ones, at 25 to 50 depending on development -- and they'll be multiple stops slower with deep red or IR filtration). Copex Rapid, at least, is available in 35 mm (both perfed and unperfed, so watch what you're buying). I've seen Imagelink in unperfed 16 mm (which works fine in Minolta 16 format cameras and some 110 cameras if you can manage to reload a cartridge), but I don't recall seeing it on eBay in 35 mm (but I don't look every day, hundreds of rolls could have slipped by when i wasn't looking over the past twenty years). I've processed Copex Rapid in the same developers that work well for ADOX CMS 20 -- my preference was for a low contrast version of Caffenol (instant coffee, vitamin C powder, and laundry soda) but it works well in H&W Control or Rodinal 1:100 also (test for speed).

The trichromes that you combined with the underexposed green channel look a lot like 2-strip Technicolor from the 1930s. :)

I’m just happy I picked up a rolled of Aerochrome when I did for a whopping 69 bucks I bought it a year ago and now there’s basically nothing on the market anymore:( I’d want Kodak to bring that back

Definitely my favorite film I’ve ever shot. (I managed a camera store from 1992-2013, so I tried tons of different film stocks.) I’ve only shot it fresh, but have some in my deep freeze in case I want to shoot it again.

Definitely love you videos ! I'm wondering if a high density pro-mist filter would work for recreating the look of HIE in the highlights ? I don't know how IR light behaves differently than visible light with filters

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Nice! :)

Rather than the hairspray/vaseline on the filter trick, you could go with another old school move and use pantyhose which will definitely give you a more consistent result across the frame. Just getting/using a stronger diffusion or soft focus filter made for the job might be your best choice though. Hasselblad had a set of 3 “Softar” filters and that is THE look of all of the cheesy 80’s glamour portraits you’ve ever seen. I would love to find a way to get them out of those bayonet mounts and into typical threaded filter mounts I could use with pretty much any other lens because they are perfect for that look IMO. Ultimately if you just want the look of a film with no antihalation layer, I would just try to find another b&w film that doesn’t have one? There has to be more, I’m sure of it. Like, X-ray films (washi F) would definitely have this look in spades. Or just try to pull process another film, as even film with an AH layer will still bloom when overexposed. Maybe TMAX 3200 shot @ 400 or faster might do the trick, it definitely has the grain!

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You noted that HIE's lack of a remjet layer is what causes its highlight bloom. Since other black and white films don't have a remjet layer to remove, could you achieve the same effect by using a white pressure plate? If white diffuses the light to much, perhaps a glossy black pressure plate? BTW I love the experimental nature of this channel.

Stand development also causes glow. Usually not that much, but if you understand better than I do what exactly about it causes it, you can probably crank that aspect of it up to 11 by doing some specific type of like 16 hour stand development or whatever nonsense. Like a non halattion layer film, it glows specifically in the highlights only, too.

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Ngl I liked the bright yellow foliage and the trichromes

You can remove the anti-halation layer on any film by soaking and drying it in the dark before shooting, to get the same blooming effect on the highlights. This is easiest on sheet film but possible with 135 and 120 film too. You just need a large and light tight drying space.

At times like these I'm glad digital sensors are so easy to convert to IR. Nothing like proper IR film, but by god it is a pain.

awesome video, I also wish we could get a re-release of HIE... Have you tried this with JCH Streetpan? compared to Rollei infrared 400 I feel like it blooms a little bit more, even without filters

I'm sure someone has already said this, but couldn't you wash the anti-halation off of 120 and respool? Seems like a lot of work, but could get what you're looking for with the bloom

the rollei HE400s has a water soluble anti halation backing, you could try to recreate the HIE look by removing it

You can try channel swapping the yellow foliage

Ohh very cool! I have a few rolls of HIE I got recently I need to experiment with, it would be especially neat to try trichromes with it. If you remember, how much did you have to compensate for the green exposure?

Is there anything like a large format film holder but for 35mm, lol? Where you can load one shot at a time and pull a dark slide? then you could chop up a roll with a safety paper cutter in the dark and tray develop individual shots for experiments.

I've heard some people say the antihalation layer washes off- specifically they said on one films the first rinse comes out green. I'm wondering if Rollei's infrared film is like this. I'm going to be getting a holga to bask in its awfullness, so why not dump a roll of wet film through it to see what happens? If it works it might be worth buying some bulk film to do this in a dark room and allow for it dry completely to be used in a better camera.

I don’t know if this would work but ecn2 film with the remjet removed prior to shooting can cause halation in the reds. Slap a red filter on some ecn2 film and cross process in b&w?

im using a lee 87 filter with rollei infrared … long exposure times create a little bit more of the hie effect. maybe you can find some efke ir820 aura for cheaper, similar look …

I have an idea I haven't tested yet: take Rollei IR 400 (or other IR sensitive film with clear base) > Wash away the Antihalation layer > Dry, respool, shoot = HIE sans the extended sensitivity?

I have 4 rolls in my film fridge, I don’t think I ever froze them, but they have always been refrigerated

hi. have you tried to wash some roll of rollei to remove the anti hallation coating and then put it back in the canister?

I just got a roll of HIE in a lot I bought. I got an 87B filter to shoot infrared. In the datasheet they say HIE with 87B filter should be shot at 200 ISO. Considering the film is expired (by my guess maybe 15-30 years), should I shoot it at 400 or even 800? What would be your educated guess there?

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how about cinestill 800T or something else with anti halation green filter and then develop it to BW?

What speed did you end up on with the HIE? I have a roll but am nervous to shoot something like that without more info.

I have a question about developing HIE in a tank. Can you develop it in a daylight tank in the light or do you have o pour the chemicals in in complete darkness? Also when's the expired Kodak D-76 and fixer video coming out?

Try using nylons (pantyhose) in black and/or white. It makes a great soft focus filter, and the softness will vary with the aperture adjustments. The black and white colors will pass al colors (for the most part) equally

You really have to try Film from Washi! They made film from old east european xray scan film. I guess the closest you get to hie with the smallest effort

I feel like you might benefit from a half frame camera when doing these kinds of experiments. The grain is larger comparatively, but you get twice the number of exposures. More chances to mess around

Hey attic darkroom, ever thought about shooting some Super 8? Please do some day, it would make for some reaaally interesting footage.

Could you recreate the look by removing the remjet layer on Rollei Super Pan or Ilford SFX like when you develop motion picture film in c41?

Idk why you'd put an ir filter on those trichromes. Wouldn't that just make it look like every other black and white film thats been trichromed?

So Foma should make IR film is what I’m hearing

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What about lens netting ?

Any thoughts on Santa color 100? Have you backed the campaign? Or in Kodak Aerocolors infrared capabilities? If you haven't heard about Santa color 100 then this comment is late because the indiegogo campaign only has 8 or 7 hours left.

Wait, what iso did you end up shooting with?

I have a dumb idea that i think you're going to like. What will happen if you bulk load two layers of film together in a cartridge and shoot it, try all the combination like color film layer and bw film layer in one roll or redscale color film layer and bw film layer in a roll or two layer of color film both normal and redscale too.

personally dig the scuffed look, but oh man the tiktok photographers spreading the word to people to scratch their lenses, dunno about that

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kodak uses some stupid infrared scanning process for their qc so they dont make ir film anymore

Shooting film AND using hairspray lmao