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Isn't Flow Forming Just Cast?!

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KONIG WHEELS USA

KONIG WHEELS USA

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In this video, we answer the age-old question "aren't flow-forming wheels the same as cast wheels?". We'll be going through the advantages and differences between both processes in this video.
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@verdeithaca
@verdeithaca 3 жыл бұрын
The production of these videos have gotten really good. Nice work guys.
@konigwheels
@konigwheels 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, Alex! 🙏🏻
@HonchoVIII
@HonchoVIII Жыл бұрын
I appreciate you making this video. Needed this.
@joshacollins84
@joshacollins84 3 жыл бұрын
This is reassuring to see. I feel like I did my research prior to buying, but the roads are falling apart around me. Btw, I LOVE the Graphite/Polished HyperGrams on my 350Z, with Michelin Pilot SS.
@konigwheels
@konigwheels 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for watching and your support! I think we've seen your car on IG...if so the car looks great!
@joshacollins84
@joshacollins84 3 жыл бұрын
@@konigwheels thank you.
@UnfocusedRacing
@UnfocusedRacing 3 жыл бұрын
So it's kinda of a hybrid between cast and forged then?
@konigwheels
@konigwheels 3 жыл бұрын
I suppose thats one way of looking at it.
@patthonsirilim5739
@patthonsirilim5739 2 жыл бұрын
flow form wheels are pretty much forge rims with cast spokes wheels stronger and lighter then cast wheels but weaker and weight more then forge wheels.
@coletrick8748
@coletrick8748 Ай бұрын
@@patthonsirilim5739 maybe you need to rewatch the video. Flow form is NOT forged, not the barrel and not the spokes. None of it is forged. If you want to call it flow formed barrel forged because it involves heat and pressure then I guess. True forged is a wheel that was under extreme heat and under extreme pressure 8-10k pounds to create an extremely strong wheel. Flow form is not even close to the strength.
@2GRFExv20
@2GRFExv20 Жыл бұрын
Anything to clear 380mm brakes in 18”?
@leeheverly
@leeheverly 11 ай бұрын
Great video very informative
@ricmrodrigues
@ricmrodrigues Жыл бұрын
Just ordered a set of Japan Racing flow formed wheels because my OEM cast 21 with low profile tires just keep cracking. Looks great but it's not for a road car, only for track! now with 19" flow formed I'm pretty sure I'll never crack another wheel again! slightly higher profile tires and also saving around 4kg per wheel compared to the OEM 19", that's a lot! thanks for clarifying the tech behind it!
@kooob81
@kooob81 6 ай бұрын
is the flow formed wheel more durable?
@ricmrodrigues
@ricmrodrigues 6 ай бұрын
@@kooob81 100%. Not exactly forged but many times better than cast. Very close to forged at a fraction of the cost.
@kooob81
@kooob81 6 ай бұрын
@@ricmrodrigues can u still use it for offroad?
@ricmrodrigues
@ricmrodrigues 6 ай бұрын
@@kooob81 my car is not an off-road car. I meant the OEM 21 inch are not good for normal roads because of the very low profile tires. It's a recipe for disaster.
@projecthikaribyrhg
@projecthikaribyrhg Жыл бұрын
Great information mates. Cheers.
@2023C8HTC
@2023C8HTC 8 ай бұрын
Good job!
@kushforthought-8749
@kushforthought-8749 3 жыл бұрын
Scott!, love the videos my dude ❤️
@konigwheels
@konigwheels 3 жыл бұрын
He said thanks!! We appreciate you watching!
@ganzonomy
@ganzonomy 6 ай бұрын
Would it be fair to say flow formed is a midway between cast and fully forged?
@konigwheels
@konigwheels 6 ай бұрын
Fair to say, yes.
@ganzonomy
@ganzonomy 6 ай бұрын
@@konigwheels cool! I'm split between the hypergram and fully forged for my 2013 accord EXL v6. I want light wheels, no racing, but I want quality. I'm working on handling mods.
@cammgt3rs370
@cammgt3rs370 2 жыл бұрын
OK I really want you go focus also on the center of the wheel. Is Konig gravity cast, Low pressure cast or TIlt cast?????
@konigwheels
@konigwheels 2 жыл бұрын
Sure Camm, what would you like to know. We've answered abunch of questions you raised above, hopefully that helps clarify any issues you had. However, depending on which wheel we are making and the process / run that we're intending we utilize both gravity or Low Pressure depending.
@offom
@offom 3 жыл бұрын
Can I ask for more about weight ratio/savings?
@konigwheels
@konigwheels 3 жыл бұрын
sure
@RobJueLean
@RobJueLean Жыл бұрын
Yes but the centre hub and spines are still cast
@cammgt3rs370
@cammgt3rs370 2 жыл бұрын
The reason Konig wheels are some of the cheapest flowformed wheels is because the use the cheaper gravity cast center unlike Enkei that does Tilt cast which is the highest casting strength under having a forged wheel.
@konigwheels
@konigwheels 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Camm, First I have to tell you, I'm not sure what's got you so triggered. You came here to provide your thoughts, we appreciate that, and appreciate the opportunity to converse, we're also fine with answering you. First, we're not the cheapest flow formed wheels, not that it matters, but we're not. Second, the difference between modern day gravity type casting and low pressure when used in the flow forming process is neglegable. This is based on TESTING, not theory. We utilize both processes depending on the type of run that is required. The advantage to this is really found in the cost savings at the factory level for larger mass production runs. And just so you know, tilt cast was an OLD term for the way gravity casting was done, it's not a third process. Finally you may want to do a bit more research on the relationship in technology and our parent company. Serioulsy Camm, we appreciate you coming to our channel to have a conversation, but I'm not sure why you're so angry. We've been doing this for over 40 years, we're transparent about everything we do, we support the community and have continued to try and help the growth of motorsports from the grassroots level for decades. Again, you have every right to your opinions, and we really do appreciate you taking the time to comment.
@confinez555
@confinez555 Жыл бұрын
From what i can tell..flow forming is a cast wheel with much more mold because its making everything more tight and thinner i guess from what this vdo is saying different process but same material maybe a little bit more of resources because it pressures more of the material?
@rayd3268
@rayd3268 3 жыл бұрын
So the spokes are still cast and have no difference whatsoever between both correct?
@konigwheels
@konigwheels 3 жыл бұрын
The spokes are casted. The flow forming happens in the barrel of the wheel. I hope that answers your question!
@cammgt3rs370
@cammgt3rs370 2 жыл бұрын
This video focus on the barrel of the rim. This does not answer the truth about the quality that really matters to help determine if a wheel will suffer catastrophic failure when in use which is also how the center from the hub to the outer edge of the spokes where they meet the rim.
@konigwheels
@konigwheels 2 жыл бұрын
We answered your other point above. However, the reason there is focus on the barrel is because that is where flow forming occurs, regardless of manufacturer. Thats the process. Also when it comes down to truth, you should also understand how the wheel testing standards work. It's way more complicated than just exactly which casting technique is used, I'm sure you know what I mean between testing to exceed standards such as j2530, JWL, VIA, etc.
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