You can test that with unison; set it to 8 voices and it'll be a lot easier to reach the polyphony limit :)

😂

Bo, what about switching on time? How long does it take?

So much polyphony available but mono-timbral?

@@glennmckenzie1096 Sadly YES! I could not believe it! But the original and second release Yamaha DX7 keyboards were at least bitimbral. The Korg Volca FM is mono timbral as well as the Yamaha DX200. I am baffled as to why cause with even the VolcaFM and FM2 you have at least 3 to 6 note poly respectively and Korg could have made the synths multitimbral with voice allocation like on Yamaha's FB01,YS200,etc. in order to allow at least one monophonic voice per midi channel. I know Roland does it as well as Kawai if I am not mistaken. Casio CZ line of synths did that too! It boggles me mind! 😛

Love is in the air

@@SuperRbertwrong. swag and yolo in the air

Was just thinking this.

You only yolo once

clearly Korg paid for a Bad Gear review. Just to sell you "the new shiny thing" which is just the facelift.

Thank you!

.. I know, I know.. GAS is a baad beast.. 😢

@@andreasilvestri1696GAS is very real

No you dont, only pretends

Thank you!

I agree. Plus,at least for me, both models add too little, too late.

Just wait for the 50% sale off

@@biggrime30years later?

@@biggrime still too expensive imo. Cobalt 8X is 1500 here, the 37 key is 1K

@@dankeplace facts

That is something I thought about as well

Vast is the best! Hands down

VAST is indeed the best, it's so good actually clowns like Bo can't demo it properly

Odd, I went the opposite direction LOL. UI when it comes to synths is absolutely everything, and while I had a K2661 for over two decades, what prompted me to sell it was the Digitone and the Opsix. In fact I often tell people that the opsix is what the kurzweil could have been. It doesn't invite sound design in the same way as does the opsix, and that's an important thing to consider. You *will* write songs faster with Digitone/Opsix, hands down. MUCH less menu diving. What do I miss: Arbitrary LFO shapes based on using FUN. And Kurzweil has better envelopes. Live routing into KDFX and VAST is also unique and has never been repeated. (Access Virus does it a little but it's not the same...) And I REALLY miss applying FM to samples.

yeah and it looks shit

I can see your logic but it's not exactly the same. It has a faster processor, much higher polyphony, much better keybed, much nicer and more professional body, is Made in Japan (and that really is worth something) and it will sell in smaller numbers Than the original opsix which means the per unit cost has to be higher. I can buy a $500 Strat or a $5000 Strat, are they the exact same guitars? I have six strings, frets, single coil pickups etc so why is the price so much higher? Because the overall quality is so much better. In other words this is more than just accountancy and component costs.

For that kind of money you can get a Waldorf Iridium...

@@ickebins6948 exactly

If it is any consolation, if you got a used one, resell the hard case for $400-500.

From what i know its regular AT

The AT is channel AT as per ALL Panasonic keybeds used by: Technics, Korg, Kawai, and older odd brands like Hammond Suzuki, Lync, and so on. Poly AT seems to be limited to keybeds made in Italy and now China.. with the exception of ROLAND which used the D50 and HP3000 keybeds in their A50(76 key)and A80(88 key) Midi master mother keyboard controllers of 1989. And in even rarer occasions, WOOD keyed keybeds as in the Kurzweil Midiboard, and 250 Sampler and Yamaha DX1 76 note flagship DX synth as well as the Arp/Rhodes? T8 and Yamaha GS1, CS80.. Sadly, NONE of the Panasonic keybeds have the tech for the poly AT feature. I suspect that Korg will have a new unique keybed design if they do implement the Poly AT tech in the future on any of their yet to be released keyboards.

nope, no poly AT

@@pianokeyjoe Now I'm curious. Do you mean that the Roland D-50 keybed supports Poly AT? The same keybed is used in many Roland synths, like JX-8P, Juno-106, AJ2 etc.

@@patsonmusic Sadly NO. I referred to the KEY type of the A50 as D50 style keybed with poly AT. Roland only ever made 2 keyboards with Poly AT keybeds and those are the A50(76 not D50 style keys but with a poly AT sensor board underneath the keys), and the A80(88 fully weighted HP3000 digital piano style keys but with Poly AT sensor board underneath those keys). The poly AT sensors in the Roland A50/80 was a rigid graphite board like the main note contact board but instead of rubber dome switches, the AT board that was more towards the front of the black keys and the front of the white keys(2 boards yes), had little black chip under each key called a HALL EFFECT Switch. It was triggered by the Steel/Lead weight under the keys and would act as a variable transistor or something like that. The Ensoniq SQ80 uses a inductor coil on the contact board itself and a stainless metal strip under each key would trigger the inductive coil pattern on the board. On the Kurzweil Poly AT MIDIBOARD the wood keys had a conductive rubber bumper at the end of each key attatched to a ground wire and would strike and touch a copper pad mounted to an aluminum chassis and that varied the capacitance of each key depending on how hard you pressed each key and how fast you struck the key(Poly AT and Velocity). The processor boards for all these classic 80s Poly AT keyboards were massive! And every one of these keyboard always had some kind of failure or stability issue too. So until I can buy and explore the tech used for Poly AT in the HydraSynth line or the more expensive Arturia Iridium? I will not be able to say what is going on there yet.Doubt that Korg or any of the major brands will EVER employ Poly AT.. sucks but I think it is true.

The original (despite the cheap feel) is hands down my favorite synth ever 2nd only to the Access Virus. I *do* wish they implemented the Yamaha OG envelopes but I'm not crying about it.

I was also fortunate to get the 329 deal. I will not be buying the 61 key overpriced board. I am seriously considering the module upgrade or even creating my own chassis. Putting all 3 synths in one box would have been incredible. Making it tri-timbral would have been even cooler. I own the modwave as well. I was hesitant about the wavestate but just got a chance to play it and am considering it once the prices drop on the 1.0 version. I do have a Wavestation EX which is why I did not pull the trigger on all 3.

Get the og opsix and chop it

The modx doesn’t have va

Don't swap, period.

I watch that episode several times and after a while I made up my mind I want to buy that one (OPSIX OG) and now here goes the OPSIX SE. Crazy...

I had left a comment about how the OG pairs well with a full-sized workstation keyboard.

Korg teased this keyboard a long time ago, before they even released the Wavestate.

Such a pity it's not fully DX7 patch compatible.

If you're looking for something to perform live with, it's really reasonably priced for the build quality and by far the best FM option available. Most similar quality synths cost more and don't come with a case, sadly.

@nebula393 It's hard to put a value on a case but the Korg one looks just as good as the gator case to me 🤷 My 61 key synths are over 2k so this seems like a great deal to me.

@@MistyMusicStudio I have an Opsix and love it, but better than the Hydrasynth? I don't know yet.

@@funkingitup1805 That depends on you! Some of my friends love their hydra and I wound up selling mine. It’s certainly powerful enough to be anyone’s main synth for sure

@@MistyMusicStudio I have a kodamo essence FM mark 2 it has 300 voices i only paid 1000. the korg opsix se is joke the for its price korg can eat shi.

In the end it is the same machine wrapped in a bigger box with a better keyboard... which means you already have it, no need to get "G.A.S" over this one... most people tend to have a master keyboard laying around they can use anyhow... for somebody who just wants one synth in his setup this might really be an option and to be fair this should have been an option right from the start along with a desktop module. But I guess they should have made a really nice universal desktop module for all of those including wave and mod as midi controllers for those VSTs and maybe swappable HDs to change the functionality in standalone to whatever you wish to use at the time ( wave, mod, opsix, and future models.)

@@philxdev yeah exactly, this is on par with astronomically comical prices you'd get with Teenage Engineering.... 2000 for a bigger case and a better keybed has to be an april fool's joke.

@@jimmypierson1980 A joke or the ongoing market research genius of Korg? Before any of this RPi platform ever greenlit for development years ago the whole thing had to meet certain business requirements. The synths had to be at least somewhat unique, but with a clearly established desired voice architecture. They had to initially sell at a low price while keeping at least 4X 1st gen margin. They must have a LONG and WIDE incremental upgrade path. Out of the park grand slam on all 3 for Wavestate - 2nd tier bleachers for Opsix - at least a double w/RBI for Modwave. Guaranteed the roadmap of incremental new features (minor every 6-12 months and major/hardware every 12-24 months) has been in place for a while. Bi-timbrality for this, dedicated outs/layer, routable FX/layer, Poly AT, engine (Modwave, Wavestate, Opsix) choice/patch with physical interface mashup of all 3 to be followed a year or two later with bi-timbrality capability for that. I also expect a granular synth with as much in common as possible for the physical interface maybe by holidays, but probably spring. Korg RARELY builds anything unless they KNOW it will sell. Clearly not to you (or me), but they are going to sell a LOT of these...

@@philxdev I know, I just really love the opsix and they discontinued it w/the blowout, I'm just really happy they aren't completely abandoning the product line.

@@rainbow_mess_music well i can only imagine that the current "production run" is discontinued. this won´t be the last we will see of some fm based thing like the opsix from korg and given they probably release this SE version which still has all the internals of the "regular" opsix... it is in the end just a case and a cheap keyboard away from being re-released... and who knows an MK2 might be on the horizon anyhow... still no need for fomo^^ there are plenty to go around and to be honest many more things in the synth sector to be released as it seems to have gotten some traction in the consumer world for quite some time.

That would break patch compatibility

Explain that one??

Not helping my gas ⛽️ though…. I love those modulated sounds.

they gave up on modules because they do not sell enough, Minilogue XD desktop is the last they'll ever do, they announced

There is a desktop conversion kit already

@@dbefore7165 Yes, there is, but it is at a significant cost that makes it difficult to justify for me personally.

@@Jason75913 I'm not surprised that they weren't selling enough, to be fair though, the build quality on the standard opsix/modwave/wavestate is pretty average IMO, I owned two of them for a short time and sent them back because the keybeds felt terrible and uninspiring. I personally prefer using my Novation SL MKIII mapped with the VST's now, so a module would've been nice for the pre-mapped control and basic integration, even with the only "ok" feeling knobs and sliders on those units.

Yeah price is prohibitive

I think the prototype looked better

So this is more expensive than the modx?!

Get the small one it's less then £350 then buy a Arturia keylab essential for £150 for the full keys.

I'm pretty sure there's a split option, as there's one on the opsix, it's just kinda hidden in the menu diving lol evenso, this thing is ridiculously overpriced for what you get imo

@@brandonharkins6900 If I remember correctly you can have a work around for the split points in programming the key follow of the carrier operators to your liking. But that's within one sound patch (as you use 3 operators for the left half and the other 3 operators for the right half of the keyboard). So for example you can't choose the piano patch for the left and the string patch on the right half : you will have to program that with the 6 operators of one sound Patch. I hope I remember it correctly, but I am quite sure 😊

Bad Gear gets on my nerves😂

The Opsix is very easy to get started on, but then the depth is super deep.

It’s a faster pi model

lol that was too quick

Yes. They saw it and developed the Opsix SE in 2 weeks ...

@@RustyTonesJr actually it was in 3 days only. Those people from planet Korg are super efficient

That's literally the only thing I can think of when I hear that sound lol

​@@wingoshack😂 Lol

The original did not support true multitimbral splits, but you could restrict some operators to parts of the keyboard for split-like functionality. Not sure but I’m guessing it’s the same here.

Yes this is how i understand it as well

Yes Modx build is much more light weight

Wavestate better for ambient music but Opsix is easier to use

Yes, they go and make a massive unit like this but don't put on extra knobs. What a waste.

Why would the software sound worse? When it’s running on a better cpu and better dacs?

@@dbefore7165 hardware has it's own sound, computers have their own sound. If this wasn't true, no one would buy hardware. I like the sound of hardware. And I never said the word "worse". the software is amazing. Hardware has character. Software is sterile . That's my experience in having tons and tons of software, and have had about 40 or more hardware synths and drum machines. and also if what I'm saying isn't true, companies would not have a market for hardware.

@@dbefore7165 what's that have to do with it? nothing that's what. the AD converters and all the circuits of copper and what ever the hell they are using effects the sound. get both and find out. All software ultimately sound the same on a given computer system. because it's going through the same circuits and D/A converters. and before that happens, its just zeros and ones. it's like being in the room with a real drum set and then a digital computer drum set . same thing. real Marshall stack and shitty computer modeled marshal stack, which, FYI has been a elusive snake for the software side. ZERO soft amps sound anywhere close to the real thing. Same thing .

@@InFamousProductions but digital hardware synths are just computers in keyboard shaped boxes, the code is made on a pc..

To my knowledge the Opsix is not fully DX7 patch compatible. From what I can tell it only has ADSR envelopes.

No, you've got the price quite right. Happy Cobalt8 user.

The chassis is much heavier with all the metal and quality keybed with aftertouch, increased polyphony, with a hard case included, and made in Japan instead of China. Yeah, the price makes sense to me. I dislike it, too. If they make a lighter, Chinese made version without the hard case, then it would be $1200-$1500 or something. I'd go for that.

Totally agree. I don't see why they didn't just make the original higher build quality in a metal box and still charge a reasonable price for it.