Someone pointed out I misspoke! In the plastic surgery part, I meant to say that Korean plastic surgeons make up 5.1% of the worlds plastic surgeons !

"Jeongyeon's TWICE and Jimin's BTS" made me laugh so hard, because the way you said it means that TWICE is owned by Jeonyeong and BTS is owned by Jimin. Should've been "TWICE's Jeongyeon and BTS' Jimin" hehe.

I love how you went right from telling the rumours of Jeongyeon and Jimin to fanfiction lol

Many idols say the companies lie their heights, birthdays like jesus christ why😭😭😭😭

THANK YOU!!! Someone who understands/acknowledges that sampling and plagiarism are not the same thing. Too many people have no clue as to how song production is behind the scenes and the interactions that happen leading to the full publication of a song. A lot of songs that sound similar are because of either using the same stems or using a stem from a song that was previously agreed upon being able to use.

40 minutes long and only a part 1?!?! I feel spoiled, so this is my way to say thanks :) Intro - 0:00 What is an "iceberg"? - 1:06 Disclaimer - 1:20 Tier one: Koreaboos - 2:33 The Big 3 - 3:13 Lipsyncing - 4:04 Jeongyeon & Jimin - 7:45 Fanfiction - 9:19 Cultural Appropriation - 9:45 Plastic Surgery - 10:45 Plagiarism - 11:21 Tier two: Irene & Stylist Scandal - 13:27 Chinese Idol Mistreatment - 17:37 The Dallas Police Fancam Spam - 19:08 The ATEEZ "please leave" Instagram live - 19:49 Nature's Leggings - 20:21 (Flash Warning) Hyuna & Dawn - 20:48 Idols Turned CEO - 22:14 Stan LOONA - 22:53 Chen's Baby and Wife - 23:33 Tier Three Dreamcatcher Cheated Out of a Music Show Win - 24:15 La Vie En Rose Origin - 25:13 Ghosts in Kpop - 26:04 Miss A's Screaming Man - 28:27 Ori - 29:04 Heechul Fanfics - 29:50 The Kai/Krystal Seal Incident - 30:38 Double Standars - 31:09 Sajaegi - 32:47 Sasaengs & Stalkers - 33:14 Nayeon Stalker - 34:30 Sasaengs as Idols - 35:03 Tier Four: Fake Birthdays & Fake Ages - 36:36 Somi's PD101 Fight - 37:57 Inkigayo Sandwiches - 38:51 (loved the suga fancam btw) Changmin in Victoria's Spoon - 39:46 Who's Next? - 40:35 Yuri's Lesbian Love Triangle - 42:36 Jessica of SNSD - 43:41 ACE Antifans Attacks - 44:58 Stellar Sexualization - 45:31 Cyber Bullying - 48:15 Autro - 49:10

I think we should just always always ALWAYS get companies to be held accountable especially the big ones because smaller companies tend to copy what the big ones does. The big companies made what KPOP is today and it just makes sense that it will continue that way.

that's something i always tell new fans. "don't trust mr removed videos/audio because it's never accurate." honestly i have been a kpop fan since 2008 and i remember every few years or so there's a trend where people make fun of "live vocals" and they're mr removed videos. i can't ever take them seriously because mr removed videos really really REALLY (i am definitely stressing this word out) aren't reliable. not to mention people bring up these clips to "prove" an artist "sucks" on an idol they hate lol. and it frustrates me when people think of it as an actual legitimate source to find artists' "true voices".

The big 3 will never change because they paved the way for everyone today and those in the future BUT I think there should be a Hot 3 to represent the biggest companies at the moment.

TW: Oli London 💀

The true iceberg is the things we can't see oncam.

IVE BEEN REFRESHING THE WHOLE DAY FOR THIS

The Big 3 privilege is a thing and I’m sick of it because there are so many groups under small companies that are as good as the groups from big 3.

Jennie gets backlashed just for breathing 🙂

Other stylists accused the op the stylist to be rude not irene , and she share positive story of irene .

- Hyuna & Dawn: I heard she openly spoke about their relationship at the time because people were accusing her of having improper behavior towards Dawn, they were calling her an abus**r and it was a way for her deny the allegations before it got out of hand, if she didn't talk about it then maybe the situation would escalate, it was unfortunate to be happening at the same time Pentagon was getting momentum, plus the horrible way Cube dealt the situation, but she didn't it selfishly as many say. - Sasaengs: They are pretty scary, and yes, thank you for reminding people that >some< fansites are also sasaengs, like the way they take great lengths to take idols photos in places they shouldn't be, eg: whenever they get on a plane and there's countless pictures at the airport but there's pictures in the waiting area after the security, to take those the fansites/sasaengs had to book a flight to be there and often it's the same one as the idols, so if you end up seing one of these from a fansite, they are sasaengs. Another tip to know if a fansite is actually a sasaeng is if they often hide the square at the bottom of the preview photos, since it can show how distant the camera was from the person being photographed, if they do it, they probably wasn't in a safe distance so they are hiding this info to not be outted as sasaengs. It's not actually that hard to imagine that there's possible more idols out there that are/were sasaengs, since if even here on the other side of the planet there's people that want to become idols just to be closer to people they are fans of and they would be sasaengs if they could, being on the same country and having an easy access to become trainee and eventually debuting in a group make me believe it's not a common case but it isn't that rare either. - Fake Ages: Lol, on the newest video on Wonho's personal channel it showed his birthday as 1992.3.1, so it kind of confirmed he also was a "victim" of Starship obsession of making the leaders the oldest member even if they actually aren't, besides the times he was referred by the other members as the oldest of Monsta X or the few instances where Shownu used hyung while talking to him.

Ori makes me so sad she didn’t deserve that hate

"Ghost in Kpop" Wait hol' on are we going to have some White: Melody of a Curse vibe here?

If i was doing a really intense dance routine i'd want some backing vocals too, I can't imagine how tiring it must be to sing and dance at the same time.

the truth behind somi's "fight" is so on brand for her 😂 omg i love her so much

7:38 Soobeanie is now working with DKDKTV and had a very detailed session on music shows performances during a DK Tea live stream, I personally did the time stamps on that so it's easy to follow, really really cool and interesting stuff

tbh i just find the jimin & jeongyeon situation funny, which is why i put them both in my user. to make it more positive since i know a lot of people try to dive into it. i feel like when people dive into it, it can also kinda be like they’re invading their privacy if that makes sense. we don’t know what happened between them and we shouldn’t make too much of a big deal about it, it’s none of our business anyway.

I... got something to say regarding Stellar: the company is terrible, but the executives are not the only ones to blame. Hear me out. Marionette was a scandal, it actually got Stellar attention, and the group actually released two songs, Mask and Fool, before Vibrato. I think I remember Stellar members talking about how both Mask and Fool were largely ignored by the public because they were sexy but not out there to the same extent as Marionette. And the public, the audience - K-Pop fans - didn't want these songs or concepts. All the new "fans" Stellar had gained with Marionette were essentially demanding hypersexual concepts, and after two "flops", Vibrato and later Sting were released. The key point here is that fans, and in particular those who were there for "soft p**n", made exploiting the girls profitable (tragically). Therefore, fans also need to acknowledge their responsibility as they were the driving force behind the company's decision. If less provocative concepts had been a success, the fan community might have been able to stop this from happening. I'm not here to defend the company (I think it's Entertainment Pascal or something) - the executives made despicable decisions for personal gain. But it's not surprising that a company is supposed to generate profits, and that executives respond to consumers' demands. Again, their methods were terrible, despicable, disgusting, but the consumers (aka fans) had the power to not consume hypersexualized content and stop all of exploitation before it even started. In order to not let this happen again, can we all please be smarter consumers? As a community, we can let companies know what we want to see, and if we notice, one way or the other, that idols are uncomfortable, we can let our money speak while also spreading awareness.

Idk but I feel like a lot of fans don't really think about these idols and their feelings and judge them too harshly without attempting to understand or wrongfully placing them on a pedestal. I mean.. if somebody told you they'd make you famous if you got a nose job and pretended to be a year younger and couple inches taller I feel like a lot of people would overwhelmingly just roll with it. They're just people.

Yesssss... I've been waiting for this one

PART TWO IS OUT: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ndmdeKWWm8-Rl40.html

Stellar case is so sad and heartbreaking. Their song is so good but the mv is on the other side..

Hahaha, I remember the Dallas Police thing. I live in the suburbs of Dallas so it was on the local news. That shit was so funny. Even non kpop fans on Twitter were saying “aight that’s pretty clever”.

i have been waiting for this omg I'm excited

This is such a great video! Totally deserves my like.

I love Kpop Icebergs. 'Can't wait for part 2

i hope u make more videos, ive been binge watching all of ur videos and ur making my day ! tyyyy

thank you so much for putting so much effort into this video! it was really interesting

I've been a kpop fan for almost 12 years now i knew all of this but still watch it haha, anyways as someone who knew you really explained it well thankyou

I'm almost 2 minutes in, but just wanted to say an iceberg is used as a metaphor for the unknown and unseen, and that's usually dark, the reason for that metaphor is that actual icebergs in the world only have 20% of their mass above water, the 80% left is not seen by anyone who's not willing to dive deeper. Anyway, back to the video!

I’m mixed on Fanfiction. I do think it can get creepy and “mature”, but I also know that most the time it’s not the actual person, rather a Fortite skin of the idol (like Keanu Reeves as John Wick in that game). They use the person as a fill in of their character (and as a visual to help create characters). I’m an inspiring author and I use real/fiction characters all the time for to base my characters off of. Just as long as people realize it’s not the real person and what is stated is fiction, I don’t think it’s that bad. It’s creepy with “mature” scenes though and we have to call out the Fifty Shades Of Grey Series and After Series, since both are former fanfiction turned into a movie and published novels. But I don’t think people are saying the funfictions are the actual representation of the real people the based them off of.

IM SO HAPPY THANK U FOR THIS

Wow this is so interesting can't wait for next part

this is an amazing video for someone just starting being into kpop (me)! thanks!

I've just randomly found your channel and😍 now i can't stop watching

Honestly the topics you have chosen I am super happy with, I actually had not heard of lots of these so learnt alot. I think the term Koreaboo is demonised but personally I think you can be a Koreaboo without wanting to be Korean. Like being into Kpop so much you Internet handle is a kpop term, Asian pfp, having special kpop social media like a KZfaq channel or TikTok, posting covers etc. I think that's pretty Koreaboo. I love that Heechul wrote fanfiction and likes it. I think people shouldn't take fanfiction or shipping so serious. Jimin and Jungyeon, I can actually see it being a thing tbf Miss A screaming man there is one of them in April Mayday. I won't speak on Jessica. Victorias spoon 😂 Just iconic. The 3 way lesbian triangle, I am all here for it. Yuri would be a fine addition to lesbianism, I hope if she is, she has a happy life. Stellar sexualisation is something that I am torn with. The girls have been open about all of this but the girls are not completely innocent in this. Yes, they are traumatised but they were also themselves desperate for the success, hence why they put up with it. I think it's very easy to be ashamed of something after you've done something but allow it at the time out of desperation for success. There is an element of desperation why idols allow and permit such treatment. Aswell as contracts of course. But we have to have to know that idols CAN leave or file suits. It happens alot. Yes it costs them, but it costs the company too. Really enjoyed the video as always! I look forward to part 2

oh my goood iceberg videos also became my obsession lately! i'm so happy that you made such video!!! now i have a great vid to eat my dinner to

love this video it is amazing!!

I’m so afraid about how Ning Ning in Aespa is being treated by SM 🙁

Oh so this is a deep dive into tea!!?? Haha awesome job!

YG doesn't post the "who's next" posts for comebacks, but for debuts

You have a really beautiful voice and I like your accent. I could listen to you all day.

The Dallas Spam thing was iconic

jeongyeon vs jimin will forever be at top of kpop's unsolved mysteries lmao

off topic i love your videos so much 💗

We need an updated iceberg

i don't even know why "vivi's fake age" was on that iceberg, let alone in a tier that low 😭 when vivi lived in hong kong (her birthplace), she used to lie about her age to get modelling gigs. that's it, there's no huge conspiracy behind it 😭 this is pretty common in the modelling industry, my girl was just trying to get paid 🙏 some anti on a korean community website made a post about it, they must've found a profile or something. and then certain "k-pop news" blogs started reporting it as fact 🤕logically as a foreign idol promoting permanently in korea, she'd have no way to lie about her age

Great work, very interesting.

0:48 the way my eyes immediately found TS Entertainment 👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀🤣

YESssss, i was waiting for a new vid uwu

One time Stray Kids was accused of plagiarising 3Racha. 3Racha consists of three members, all three of whom are in fact Stray Kids members. Bang Chan is CB97, Seo Changbin is SPREAB and Han Jisung is J.One

Love the Pink Fantasy fancam

ok but the ateez live was so funny kdsjksjd i was there and i was laughing my ass off 😭😭

I just wanna say, thank you so much for this video. I have loved kpop for over 10 years and there are several things that I did not know. You must have researched intensely for a long time and I (and everyone else) can tell. I learned so much from this video, and I can't wait for part 2. I love your videos and thank you so much for deciding to become a KZfaqr.

45 minutesssss yessssss 🤩🤩🤩

First 🥰💜

30:17 Leeteuk isn't pronounced "Lee-tuck" it's pronounced "Ee-Took"

ooooo, let's gooo !!!

7:53 You don't know how hard I laughed-

Good video sis. But the music you use from "Bad boy" at 2:24 and other times is kinda loud next time lower the volume a little bit on your editor so it's less jarring. 👍

Wonho's age should go on a kpop iceberg 😂

The yuri lesbian love triangle is still insane to me😭 Good for her good for her

I hope the STELLAR girls are okay these days. What happened to them was terrible...

After watching this video, I need someone to make a video game with a water level and the instrumental is just Bad Boy lol I never would have thought that the sound and that concept worked so well together 🌊

And i just wanna make sure before there's any misunderstanding, when it comes to chinese members mistreatment i think jun and minghao's case isn't too severe like other idols, pledis still give them lots of freedom in creating their own project like solo songs, the8 with his contemporary videos, jun with his covers, and etc. also xcss is the one who manage their activities in china (not pledis directly).. im not trying to defend pledis or saying that it's a good company but as my observation jun and minghao are not being mistreated bcs that is a strong word, maybe more of a mismanagement in some cases

When I heard her bring up Teentop I almost cried... Two members just left the company too 😌

about the plagiarism part - there's a very well known singer amongst young people in my country (israel) that actually copied the melody of one of shaun's songs... but the song the israeli singer sang was about his breakup with his (also super famous) gf, which is really funny. because kpop isn't really popular in my country, not that many people have noticed.

I personally don't care if an idol sings live or lip syncs because i know that there are stans out there who literally freak out when they don't hear live vocals or when their faves get called out for not singing live....it's wild

But why Irene treated the staff like this? I mean, i think that there is a reason (?)

as a meetalhead who enjoys a couple kpop songs too this was a good deep dive, and i was thinking the metal community had issues

Iceberg is usually the deeper you get the less known it is

U talked about irenes situation and the editor/stylist posts but never mentioned how half the industry stood with irene and even stranger that met her stood up for her and people till this day bring irenes name on Twitter just bcs they don't know things like this so pls don't mislead it~

In the stellar part, when u said stellar was a girl group the captions said stellar was a *gold* group✨✨✨

STAN LOONA❤

You talked about chinese mistreatment but forgot to talk about the first one, Hangeng from Super Junior, the one that started everything, his story is super important when it comes to this topic

Why’d you put that oily london clip in there 😳 you didn’t have to scare me like that 🤣

idk about yall but the screaming man in Miss A song sounds more like a screching car stopping thats been shortened.

stan loona

20:42 sun glasses too, cool and fun if you ask me

Gotta be honest the stan LOONA meme made me stan them so it works

kpop iceberg? how have i not seen this oh wait i saw the midnight theories one lol

Maybe because they are underrated and from a small company but the Who's Next for 2020 reminds me of when B.I.G's Benji left the group. But it happened about a week before, not sure if that counts🤷‍♀️

Ppl really thought it was Seulgi? She was known to be nice in high school. 😭

When it sounds like 2 ppl singing there's someone in the back singing that is called "doubling"

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It is 2021 people should stop hating artists that do lipsync and the rightful use of samples(with credits) Most concerts when they arrive at those HARDCORE choreos or Medleys of old ass songs every single group will use lipsync or prerecorded base to support them

Can someone tell me the music video clip that plays between the topics, like it looks so intriguing. The one that shows some member saving another one from dying in a car while drowning or something. I figured out that the background song is "Bad Boy" by Red Velvet but can't seem to find the video...

I only Stan dreamcatcher so this is so fun to learn abt haha

stan nature

Hey, there is "ladies' code kiss kiss mv" in one of the lower tiers. You didn't talk about this. Do you know what is up with that? Or can anyone explain what is wrong with the mv?

Hey, I love your videos and I agree with everything you said but...... I can't hear you, you're speaking Very quietly and I had to turn the volume up to 100℅ and I still couldn't hear you properly and I tried to turn on the captions but the captions weren't right and had a delay. Can you please speak a bit louder next time! I LOVE YOU!!!!! ❤💋💌💝💞💖🥰😍😘

Snackz? Ready Video? Found Spoiled? Yes

hongki celebrates his birthday three times a year lol the first one is set on the date he was born in the lunar year (6th february), since the date for lunar calendar always changes his birthday he also celebrates this date when it's the actual date on the lunar calendar (e.g: his lunar birthday was on 28th of february in 2020) and he also celebrates his fixed birthday based on solar calendar on march 2nd it's a total mess i get you if you don't understand

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Can you please do a video about CIGNATURE, I’m really worried about them