For years I have been seeing kpop fans mistaking High notes for “good vocals”

there will never be a “next bts” because there literally can never be a next bts. bts is bts because they’re the first kpop group to break into the consciousness of the general public. there will never be another first, and even if there is another group that somehow gets as popular as bts, they will not have had to overcome the barriers that bts did by being the first. the entire concept is stupid.

I used to be wowed by the highnotes in songs until i exposed myself to more western pop and people who could actually sing, and the difference in what i hear in the same highnote i listened to a year ago is crazy.

About the next bts: I think people also underestimate the fandom you need to be “a next bts” army worked real hard to make bts known. With requesting songs and calling to make albums available in the usa etc. New groups and fans benefit from that hard work but miss the same level of dedication and support

Jennie herself said in the BlackPink:Light Up tThe Sky documentary that she wished she did start training at what…13? She said she wished she had started training later so she can be with her friends and experience school

I remember saying these things about Heechul before I deleted Twitter and I was called a bitter, jealous once 😭 another disgusting thing was that there is a recent clip of him hitting on Kazuha who is a Japanese girl who was the same age as when he met Momo.

another objective fact is that kpop stans should seriously stop falling for misinformation and think for themselves.

Bts solo stans have somehow convinced themselves that the members are mistreated and some type of damsel in distress when they literally updated a whole app in one breath because a member asked like ok😂

as a stay, IT drives me CRAZY to see ppl say "the next bts" or "better than bts" like NO. BTS is BTS. yes, our fav groups might have won awards but it doesn't change the fact that BTS is also very popular. ALSO companies should stop searching for the next BTS or the next STRAY KIDS just bcz they are popular. and YES jyp treats his idols as a funny and a loving parent on screen. we don't know the fact off- screen but his management is VERY poor. as an example, look at stray kids' old vids. he literally gave them a poor quality camera and told them to film a M/V. its even on their official channel. MANYYY jyp artists admitted that JYP is a bad ceo. THESE OPINIONS ARE COMPLETELY VALID!!

I feel like solos are also getting more aggressive with time, at least when it comes to BTS. Scooter having to delete his posts about 3D because the quotes were full of actual porn edits is terrifying. And just like you said, every single solo stan repeats the exact same arguments. I wish companies started treating those people like actual antis (which they are) and suing them like others.

Agreeed. Kpop stans wanted a 14 year old as their fav is just so strange to me idc. I feel as though 16/18 should be allowed to be a trainee or debut. Kids are still growing and their body are changing, they should enjoy their childhood as much as they want. It’s just so annoying when kpop stans act like kpop idols are old when they turn 20 and debut 💀 and suddenly they have no skills and talent, step it up please you guys are so embarrassing.

you were so real for calling out that age gap😭 the backlash you got was crazy

My objective fact is that every idol is an artist. Performing is an art! It’s right there in the name-performing ARTS! Some are more multi-hyphenated in what they do in addition to just performing their songs (writing, producing, acting, etc.) but by virtue of being someone who performs music, you are an artist even if you didn’t make the songs you’re performing.

Finally you said what so many deny-There is No Next/New BTS I always found Haechel(sp?) creepy AF especially when he was Dating Momo-he just gives off vibes,like that weird crazy uncle that comes for Christmas and everyone avoids and you aren't allowed to be alone with. Solo stans can just FO for real Great Video as always

Heechul has always irked me since i got into kpop in 2010. He gives creeper vibes and makes me want to throw up.

That last one YES you deserve reparations cause now all of a sudden ppl want to agree 😭

Love the solo stan truth cuz, yeah, it's just dumb. For my own objectively true statement: The aim of Kpop is to appeal to the west. Every CEO has said it. They want that money, they want the influence, and there's nothing wrong with that. Locals don't give a damn about kpop being westernized because they still have their own cultural, and uniquely Korean music. Kpop is a specific industry geared to do a specific thing. The use of "westernized" by kpoppies as and insult to any one group is just foolish. Go sit with the solos.

ALSO ARE U READY FOR CONTRACT RENEWEL FOR BTS AND NEW RV ALBUM?!?!!!!

Hard agree on the opinion about high notes. Kpop stans think a vocalist is only good if they hit as many high notes as possible in a 3-minute song while selling idols like Taehyung short because he has a deeper voice and people don't recognise that singing lower notes is also a vocal skill. Now that Layover is out, kpop stans have been trying to peddle the idea that Tae is a dozen who can't sing even though he's done countless live performances proving otherwise in the last month alone. Tae can sing. Get over it and accept it, people. It's not 2014 anymore

EXID member Hani dated a man 10 years older than her and the corporate commentary channel KOOKIELIT defended it by using the "she's a consenting adult who can date whoever she wants" argument keep in mind that EXID released a song called "Ah Yeah" which was about sexual harassment by older men in the workplace and was a response to the censorship of their hip thrusting dance move in "Up and Down" the song had a feminist message but due to Hani's dating news it has aged poorly

I just wanna say that defending a bad action with "but it has always been done, look at this other time this bad thing was done and the good that came from it" is a regular rhetoric used by extremists: fascists and ISIS brides are two examples. So, before someone goes "But but but Taemin, Hyuna, BoA debuted as minors!!!" in the comment section, consider what kind of people engage in this tactic.

No one can become the next BTS. Either they will remain under the shadow of BTS's success getting compared all the time, or they will surpass BTS in such a way that they will be at a completely different level even BTS couldn't reach. There is no in between.

Lukewarm take but I stand by it 100%: expecting “authenticity” from idols is ludicrous. Fans will see an idol say something on a vlive or a talkshow and be like “omg they’re so real, they’re so honest” girl… they’re idols. Everything that they do in the public eye should be regarded as a performance because it almost always is. Also, I think Everglow-Up pointed this out but k-pop stans only want to know what their idols “really think” if it’s a take they agree with. Some of y’all don’t actually want authenticity, you just want validation and you want that validation to feel authentic

Solo stanning simply sounds like being in a cult lmao

Speak your truth!!! You are right. Dont let them silence you. But no fr, love your honest and objective takes and your channel.

13:10 you’re so damn right and then all the comments would be “IF THIS WAS A MAN-“ IT IS A MAN.

The moment I discovred Dreamcatcher was the moment my standard for kpop was turned upside down. I looked at music in a whole different way and I would usually have on group outdo another frequently. To this day since 2017(when I found Chase Me), another group has not topped Dreamcatcher in my eyes. It's either the music composition and production from other groups are too common or are massively underwhelming dispite the high notes they sprinkle in to make it sound better. I'm not saying the girls are the best of the best because there are groups out there that reach their level, but I am saying that the group raised my expectations to the highest. I started learning more about producing since 2017 and I now see that groups I once loved were doing the bare minimum to get sales and attention. A good vocalist is not going to rely on JUST high notes to be seen as good. They are going to have the knowledge on how to use their voice without going to high notes as a wow factor. Sure, high notes are great, but softer notes and changing vocals on the fly to fit with anything is going to be the test of skill. Also have a technique with their vocals. Some newer and older idols are usually shaky and unable to follow through with their vocals usually don't have a technique down to help their voice reach it's potential. Other groups that are just as amazing: ATEEZ, Seventeen, (G)I-DLE, Pixy, and Red Velvet. There are others, but this comment is long enough lol

Hitting those high notes and singing way too high has ruined many kpop idols voices😭 Solo stans are the armpit of every fandom and definitely all have the exact same "argument" for their favs which makes them totally laughable. I'll never understand how some ot7 army fall for their nonsense. When I first joined the fandom people had more sense and an actual backbone😤 And I literally don't give af about Heechul

Help I got so confused because it says "Momo is a creep" 😭

Calling Heechul a fossil took me all the way out lol

sm stans claiming everyone else in the industry is miles below sm groups vocals wise because of those damn sm screamo/diva high-note bridges makes me laugh every time.

the intense amount of backlash you received for your comment on how inappropriate Momo and Heechul's relationship was is exactly how I felt when I talked about a lot of celebrity "power couples" in Hollywood especially the ones that are over 25 years apart where the women are young enough to be their husbands' daughters I also have to constantly deal with people making excuses like "they were consenting adults when they first met" which is just ridiculous

Before my yt channel i had a twitter, and the amount of bulls*it i got because i was talking about heechul being a creep is unbelivable

Yup the ceo thing is so damn true and obvious as a directioner, we used to eat up the "Uncle Simon" oh how wrong we were 😂

unpopular opinion: you don’t need to like every member and it’s ok to be a solo stan

I think the argument of ‘the next so and so’ is stupid because people also have really short memories or assume that their memory is everyone’s. No denying that certain groups have reached new barriers but that doesn’t remove the fact that groups before them also had great success often considering internet access/globalisation/etc. And completely agree that K-pop really isn’t that huge in the western market as people think it is.

I missed your videos omg

And once again cleared! Thank you for this video!

6:41 hell didn’t key from Shinee said he regretted debuting at 18

even though these aren’t opinions, i agree with them completely 0:00 - 1:56 intro 1:56 - 4:13 all ceo’s suck 4:13 - 6:05 there is no “next bts” and kpop is not as big in the us as we want to believe 6:05 - 8:09 debuting children as idols is objectively bad 8:09 - 10:08 the ability to hit high notes does not make someone a good singer 10:08 - 11:42 anyone who falls for solo stan propaganda is dumb and impressionable 11:42 - 13:43 Momo and heechuls relationship was weird and heechul’s a creep 13:43 - 14:10

dis gonna be good

I wonder why pple hate on companies for debuting minors. I mean bts also debuted when they were young, it's not a big deal

glad you're back to posting videos and thank you so much for posting this one! I agree with your points especially the one at the end of the video about how you were addressing all the hate you received for pointing out how inappropriate Momo and Heechul's relationship is due to their 13 year age gap! many people were defending it by saying that Momo is a "grown adult" and therefore she can somehow "choose" who she can date which is completely delusional! imagine if the roles were reversed (the K-drama actress who married Eli from U-Kiss received backlash since she was 10 years older than him but if the roles were reversed people would somehow be OK with it due to their internalized misogyny)

Damn girl.......spitting fire🔥

recently former Elris (now renamed as "Alice") member Sohee married a businessman 15 years older than her and fans are rightfully upset by this the fact that so many female idols are marrying businessmen twice their age and how Netizens view this as something positive is the prime example of misogyny in the K-Pop industry and there are so many more examples of married couples in the industry with age gaps that are heavily romanticized like Crayon Pop's youngest member Soyul and H.O.T's member Moon Heejoon who is 10 years older than her this scrutiny surrounding idols being in relationships is justified but for a different reason instead of marketing them as "available" to fans people who dismiss any criticism against age gap relationships as "jealousy" or "infantilization" are ignorant

About the high notes, it is true that is not all about high notes but if a singer can hit high notes easily of course that singer can sing well overall or is just a good vocalist, Taeyeon, Jessica, Wendy, Ningning, Winter, Seulgi, Chen, Baekhyun, Luna, SM vocalists overall of course are like that, it's like their mark, that typical high note at the bridge but if they can it's welcome, besides that all of them are pretty solid singers even in lower ranger.

If I were an idol and didn't have to work as much as my other members, but still got paid, I wouldn't want my fans begging my company to give me a schedule. just saying...

great video and insight.

Omg hi! I’m gonna eat this up iktr

#3, 4- SO TRUE

#2 is FACTS

I was just thinking about you 😭

10:16 only Idol I can think of that fits this is Jeongyeon from Twice. And that one girl from Kepler.

it's easy,if they can hit every notes may it low or high in their songs and can sing live, they are good vocalist. But there are company that produce song that above their artist range.

This video makes a good reason to hate capitalism and corporations.

That's why when I see bunnies act like min heejin is a sweet CEO I laugh cause people who know her from since when she was in SM ENT know that she's a creepy person with questionable behavior especially with minors

damn atleast your area knows about kpop and bts, in my home state the convos I have im lucky they know that kpop is pop from korea atleast, they dont know anything, fans mass streaming and buying makes people think kpop s mainstream to general public when its not there is no next bts because bts itself became known for being unique, exotic and different i know its different for other countries, but here bts or any kpop group will never be looked at the way one direction, Beatles, backstreet boys, nsync for examples are, for reference you can see in the recent trolls movie came out in 2023 referenced multiple boygroups one direction, backstreet boys, Boyz II Men and nysync in a part of the movie about singing boygroup but didnt reference bts or any kpop group, thats because theyre seen as kpop not a boygroup

Stfakup giving jimin one week promo isn't equal treatment

Hyuna is the worst example if youre trying to advocate for children in the industry. The entire time she was under jyp and cube entertainment she was regarded as koreas sex icon basically, but thats starting from the age of 15.

I'm not an Army but BTS is BTS, there's no one like them and that's how it's supposed to be. They are unique and honestly young legends, huge props to them. Other groups will have their own success and title!

I can't be interested in too young groups irrespective of how good songs they make or how talented they are. Usually Hybe groups songs are to my taste. So I listen and watch their artists like txt, bts, Lsfm, svt, enhypen, bonedo etc. But groups like new jeans, tws, illit etc are too immature for me. They have some super talented members but I don't find them compelling enough to look up their content because most of them look like children trying to play adults, that's off putting. It was same with Txt, they looked too young before. I have only started watching them post pandemic.

why did you name a part of the video Momo is a creep when its Heechul?

NOT THE AUTO CAPTIONS SAYING MOMO IS A CREEP Heechul is gross.

it's OK to be against children being idols but jumping to conclusions and creating a moral panic over the lyrics the outfits and the dance choreography somehow being "inappropriate" is just illogical

THEN WHO’S DRIVING THE BUS? mood

the only people who defend the debuting of minors in Kpop are Minors themselves and i think that's very very telling. anyone with a developed brain recognizes the danger the industry has on minors.

Why r all these opinion youtibers bts stans

So for the next new bts I've observed a pattern of a group of men is very popular, then they lose popularity or disband and then another one comes, just like one direction and after their disbandment bts came For heechul and momo although i agree it was a weird relationship you should consider that the age gaps in asia like a 9-12 year old age gap is quite normal and even in my country 5-9 years is normal, if the person isn't a minor and consents to this relationship of course

let me add one more; bts paved the way 😚

3:54 SPEAKKKK ONNN ITTT!!!!!!!!

If you ever thought jyp was ever a good person thats on you. There is one ex ceo i believe is a decent person and that is because the idols who have worked with have said nothing but good things about him and repeatedly go out of their way that is above "pleasing their boss" I believe the artists because of who they are and ex artists who no longer owe the ceo anything still praise that ceo to this day. But if i say his name i will have malding kpop stans in my replies. I will take you seriously about debuting child idols when you also start caring about child actors child olympics traineees etc etc. I dont know how to phrase this properly without being nitpicked but there IS a space for minor idols of course there can be improvements for their protection emotionally mentally etc. But expecting there to be no minor idols is like expecting there to be no minor actors, minor youtubers etc etc. Teens also want to look to other teens to enjoy content. Not only adults. It just will never happen.

. I do think no one is on bts level, but kpop in usa or anywhere else is now a genre, not everyone like ragae tone,Latino or country music, kpop has big following and they r mostly teenagers, by 30yo most of fans move on from kpop, so I do think kpop group r popular in usa but its not for everyone,heck kpop isn't popular even in Korea! The gp don't listen to kpop,bg r doing bad because the gp isn't listening to them while gg r popular mostly for their visuals and kpop fans love them,they attract both mal and female fans,most of young male fans don't like bg,it's embarrassing for them. Kpop groups may not be on bts level but kpop is enough popular in u.s to be mainstreamed and have a category and u don't need to be popular like bts to be acknowledged,all u need is people listening to ur music, not everyone is Michael Jackson,beatles, Parton,elvis or Beyonce..... . Everything about minors is true, tho I do think u can be as good as an adult if u r skilled, I won't diminish their skills just because they r underage, but what people don't understand is the more we grow up the more we learn and have experience the more we understand the negativity of debuting young artists but in reality when I became a kpoppy I was a kid, in my teen and as a teen I looked up at idols of my age, for me 2gen idols were simply too old and acted like kids, the aygo, the outfits,the voices and way of talking was cringe because the idols were over 20yo!! For me 20 was adulthood, job and boyfriend, being a man and a women so yes the perspective changed a lot after I myself was in my 20 😅 in other words in Korea kpop is mostly followed by teen that's why u don't see much of idols content on TV....no one watch idols content, no one care about idols entertainment shows, on yt they r doing amazing but locally on TV its crickets,the rating drops so its not questionable or weird cause its not directed to adults( we can't control weirdos who r adults) 4th gen means idols for new generation and basically new gen that need representative of THEIR generation not someone like bts jin or irene.......it is working for the industry to debut young udols,the majority like young and fresh idols, as long as the company respect their age and don't push adult content I don't have a problem with any idol debuting at 13yo,even if I myself can't relate to them😅am too old. . Sm stan like the idea of high note=good vocalist......this subject will continue till kpoppies grow older and learn more🤷‍♀️ plus I agree with distribution, it's annoying to hear them talking about their fav line distribution when they obviously have a hard time singing and dancing, momo is a perfect example, her fans harassed her to sing more,but when she did it live it was catastrophic, not everyone is capable of singing,she is an amazing dancer and we should accept that sometimes our fav aren't that good, she still did shine without much of line but kpoppers ruined her image by pushing her to sing when she obviously is not good at it, idols train for years its true, but the company trained them depending on their skills that's why position was important, if the idol is not lead or main vocalist the shouldn't get a lot of lines.....but greedy companies sometimes gives more lines to the popular ones even if they r not main lead and that's what started the whole debate. . If kpop stan know heechul when he was in his 20 he will be cancelled, heechul was known for bullying idols and actors,he was a bully,many idols spoke about it but at that time he was too popular and after his enlistment he changed his image gradually, for momo even if it's weird for many people she was an adult when SHE AGREED to date him, he didn't date only japanese,heechul liked voluptuous and pretty girls and they all said he did hit on them, most of the girls he dated said he was nice and respectful to be honest but once he had them in his bed he start chasing a new one, he is the worst in terms of relationship,heechul date for sex, he doesn't build a relationship but most of them remained close to him, no matter what we say and think,men in general like young women, if it was for him he would still date a 15 yo, I can't blame him for momo because he never touched her when she was minor but waited till she accepted by her free will but again she left him, most of girls he dated left him, we don't know the reason and frankly momo private life isn't my business but heechul doesn't commit to one person for sure. I believe that people can change, I do give people 2nd chance, just because he was a bully doesn't mean he fakes his personality and as for women, as long as he stay away from kids underage I will never question adults choices,momo knew his age after all.....and he was not her first boyfriend either!.

It's not a crime to be weird.

I agree with almost every single point. I will say that having BTS and BlackPink together is probably impossible to replicate, but to me it was the two groups together that made the US sweep so huge. BTS was obviously the bigger group (I say as a BLINK and not in the slightest an ARMY), but the groups were everywhere, especially after Black Pink's first Coachella performance. TWICE is now right there with them, and arguably as popular as Black Pink in the US now. Yeah JYP definitely has a facade of being a "nice" KPOP producer/ceo and he may be the least of the bad, but they are all bad. With A2K just coming out it strikes me that SO MANY of the girls in that group are underage. It is more reason to support groups like KISS of Life when they debut with adults. The high-note thing and vocal range obsession really need to stop.

Bighit ceo is good u can’t convince me that he’s bad.

Hitting a high note doesnt even mean they are technically qualified to do so.

The CEO thing is not a black and white thing. On personal level a CEO can be nice. But since there are the shareholders, it makes it hard to be "nice" on all fronts. About the underage debut, I don't care. It's their caregivers responsibility. If they debut and are talented, I'll support.

only male idols should debut at a young age so they'll have longer careers (due to South Korea's laws on mandatory military service)

Honestly i only knew blackpink existed so the avarage person in Europe

Two points: 1) Surprised at your videos claims that people widely know BTS in America but not any other group. I've found that people seem to widely know Blackpink and (more interestingly) they seem to know each member individually, while conversely people know of BTS but only seem to know Jung Kook on an individual level. I’ve also personally never met anyone who doesn’t listen to kpop while also simultaneously knowing any individual song from either group. I will say that when I worked at my prior job, we weren’t in an area where you’d assume people listen to kpop but we had a kpop playlist play every now and then, and the songs that got the most reactions were: Money by Lisa, How You Like That by Blackpink, Seven by Jung Kook, Talk That Talk by Twice, OMG and Super Shy by NewJeans, Topline by Stray Kids, Bouncy by Ateez, Antifragile by Le Sserafim and Cupid by Fifty Fifty. To my surprise the BTS songs garnered little to no reaction from general public. 2) When it comes to children being idols, my thoughts are mixed. While protections, security and support for children (or adults) are not perfect anywhere, I often find myself pretty fine with the idea of kids 13+ (really teens) being idols in non-Korean and non-Chinese countries because I feel like other places have better (not perfect) support systems. Like I have no real issue with Katseye (US) or XG (Japan) but I feel like idols in Korea with their poor protection laws, terrible overworking companies, and insane neitzens aren’t being placed into a good enough environment.

ok so in order, 1) i absolutely agree, hybe stan’s need to hear this 2) bts is pretty much a copy of older bgs (big bang, shinee) and most ppl consider them the next big bg after 1D, just how ppl thought there would never be a boy band as big as back street boys/ *nsync and then 1D came along….so a next bts is definitely possible 3) i agree 4) it depends i agree w the rest lol