Kramnik vs Jospem | Game that ignited Chess Cheating Controversy!!

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Magnus Carlsen Titled Tuesday (8th November, 2023)
Magnus gets completely busted 2900 rated opponent
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@AITullball3333 Ай бұрын

"Let's hope I'll get some easier opponents like Magnus maybe". That's too funny.

@vickmackey24 Ай бұрын

😂

@LivePassingGames Ай бұрын

It would be so funny if it wasn't so sad

@TechMaestro-rs9ti Ай бұрын

😂😂

@igbc176 Ай бұрын

so sad and regreatable actually

@ThePaullam328 Ай бұрын

Few days later after playing against Magnus: Okay let's do the procedure

@BlanBlan19901990 Ай бұрын

Lol you can say what you want about Kramnik but the Magnus line at the end was funny af, dude definitely has a sense of humor

@sackwhacker Ай бұрын

Okay, let's do the procedure.

@Tirtha_Gaming_World Ай бұрын

LOL

@TheSicknO Ай бұрын

No procedure? I am disappointed.

@ourinator692 Ай бұрын

He even said himself that he made a terrible blunder. Why is his opponent cheating for seeing it?

@e4jasperi Ай бұрын

He has obviously read the masterpiece: “How to cry like a GM”.

@achabotte Ай бұрын

Good ole Kramnik Click-Click

@mittarimato8994 Ай бұрын

I believe Kramnik is a lot better in chess, but in online chess he is actually bad. He is very slow, but strong. Slow and strong. Meanwhile his opponents are not as strong, I believe, but they are a LOT quicker. Like in this match, it says it is 3 minutes vs 3 minutes, but in reality, I think Kramnik lost like 30-45 sec because he was WAY too slow. All this time waste makes Kramnik lose against weaker opponents. Combine this with the actual cheaters, and now the 'crusade' from Kramnik. It results in a situation, where people with less ELO beat him, because he is too slow. And at the same time, he complains it is because of cheating, thanks to the actual cheaters. The reality is that Kramnik has two or actually three issues now: First, it was the occasional cheaters. Second it was the slow play, so he started to blame the faster players of cheating. And now the third one is that everyone wants to cheat against Kramnik for lulz. One of the things that says Kramnik is very slow is that he almost never gains any time even with +1 sec increment. It is because he almost never premoves, which is a very bad and slow habit.

@MrOpen2012 Ай бұрын

The thing is, even in his age with this slow play, he is still rated around 3000 in blitz. Just shows you, he is actually pretty strong, on the same level as these super gms.

@Wtahc Ай бұрын

thanks for your expert opinion

@user-ly5oo2hd7p Ай бұрын

@@MrOpen2012 Alot of 2500 Fide players have around same 3k elo,so he is not rly strong online.

@user-pt6yn3ld3u Ай бұрын

Жоспем читер

@ixinor Ай бұрын

Nah man, looking at his placements he's not a good chess player.

@hugoses Ай бұрын

I like the sound his mouse makes when clicking. It's a slow, heavy sound, very solid, at least compared to other chess streamers whose mouses have a lighter sound, or maybe it sounds that way because of the speed at which they play, which is obviously faster than Kramnik's.

@user-yd1sx2yf8r Ай бұрын

His mouse sounds like the old good days 😅

@user-mp7bp2dn2d Ай бұрын

@@user-yd1sx2yf8r maybe he even has ball in his mouse instead of light sensor

@ChessTube100 Ай бұрын

He probably bought his mouse while in high school

@Xinder720 Ай бұрын

@@ChessTube100 His career really started in the early 90s. I don't think they even had mice back then, did they?

@God-vl5tk Ай бұрын

Let's hope he learns about drag and drop someday.

@jyxxapeltonen1103 Ай бұрын

there's one problem with a drag'n'drop way of moving pieces, when you accidentally release your piece not finishing the move, so I can understand Kramnik's way, he probably wants to be 100% sure his piece reaches the final square.

@awishisaheartyourdreammake9222 Ай бұрын

@@jyxxapeltonen1103dragging is 2x faster than clicking especially when you get used to it. you cant just play blitz without knowing how to drag

@jefftaylor1186 Ай бұрын

If the clock is under 1 hour, Kramnik has a bad time.

@pepperwestwood Ай бұрын

He pizza’d when he should’ve french fry’d

@crazymudman123 Ай бұрын

Turtle Tuesday

@lazyatthedisco Ай бұрын

Lmao

@simonvonschniep4981 Ай бұрын

Kramnik is a living meme.

@mannymnts Ай бұрын

He should get fined for false accusations. He basically accuses of cheating to everybody who kicks his butt.

@stanlyaateja7778 Ай бұрын

Don't forget that he is involved in the toilet gate in 2006. Dude literally got caught cheating and still shows no sign of embarrassment, instead he accused others

@lyingcat9022 Ай бұрын

This guy drives me crazy! He’s so damn slow. It physically hurts to watch how bad his mouse and computer skills are. Dudes like a 80 year old trapped in a 50 year olds body. Why is he surprised that actual Professional Blitz players are better than him? On that point isn’t this dude higher rated than him Blitz online and OTB?

@smalltowngoose Ай бұрын

yes, around 40 points higher otb and online

@mosh1935 Ай бұрын

When you bacome old learning become much harder his first time playing online in his +30 and he is not playing a lot so his physical skills will be bad even young players like gukesh are slow and need a lot of practice when it come to online chess and speed chess he already +3000 .kramnik is right about cheating online I do it and never get banned the only way to catch me when I play game with +95 with a lot of moves or playing alot of game with +90 accuracy which is too high to my level . So how can you catch someone when he already will play most of his game with +90 accuracy sometimes only looking to evaluation will make you win. kramnik mistake is assume someone with cheating when there is no way to know the truth he know that but he can't tell anymore if his opponents are clean this is psychological thing.

@Dan-ce3sd Ай бұрын

you can tell the refresh rate of his mouse and/or screen is absolute dogshit. like a computer from early 2000 or something. comical

@smalltowngoose Ай бұрын

@@mosh1935 i agree. these top players play 90+ games all the time even OTB, including kramnik himself... most definitely psychological

@georgesduroy410 Ай бұрын

loads of nonsense

@germank7924 Ай бұрын

Not watching this, let's do the procedure

@ambidextrouslamia9635 Ай бұрын

Kramnik's mouse skills effectively give time odds to his opponents

@jsj297 Ай бұрын

Ok let’s invent a procedure for this.

@theowalcott102 Ай бұрын

Honestly I thought it was just Kramnik talking gibberish all this time, but after yesterday's grudge match, you can see that Jospem plays like an elite player online, however OTB he is an average GM, still quite strong, but not at the same level as 2800 players

@Kgwm83 Ай бұрын

The game looked absolutely normal and actually Black played rather impressively until he lost the thread with Rf4 Rh4 and so on.

@EndoftheTownProductions Ай бұрын

Why would all these top chess players only cheat against Kramnik?

@oliverfletcher9052 Ай бұрын

I think (if they do cheat) they cheat against most non-streaming or less popular GMs to avoid suspicion, so we don’t see Hikaru losing against them but we may see somebody like Hansen losing.

@jaxen231 Ай бұрын

They do not cheat lol stop getting influenced by this mental ill guy

@user-ru9fn6yj5z Ай бұрын

Coz hes crying baby none cheat there

@hellfire_97 Ай бұрын

@@user-ru9fn6yj5zand who are you to chess?

@tyrellwilliams317 Ай бұрын

Kramnik sucks!!! He had a run now it’s over !

@maciejzbogdanca2904 Ай бұрын

91% is what most 2k elo playes have in 3min games. Lol XD

@Goatz99 Ай бұрын

You can't really compare tho, scoring 91% against a 2000 is very different from 91% against a former world champ.

@bahram5685 Ай бұрын

@@Goatz99 agree because accuracy also depends on who you are playing

@JoeJD10 Ай бұрын

⁠@@Goatz99Doesn’t make a difference, both of the are at the same level in online blitz

@maciejzbogdanca2904 Ай бұрын

@@Goatz99 Engine score simply tells you how close to the perfect game were you. Secondly for short format like 3min its not how good move you can make, but can you find it in 5-10sec. Hence the GM strenght is not everything here as he developed his skills decades ago. Google the guy who beats low level Stockfish in 30sec bullet games. Surely he would stomped Kramnik in hyper bullet but he would loose in 90min format. See my point?

@Goatz99 Ай бұрын

@@JoeJD10 In a match between 2000 elo players, the accuracy will be more forgiving due to the high number of mistakes, blunders etc, whereas a match between 3000s the performance distribution is much tighter. For the 2000 elo player, 91% implies relatively fewer optimal moves but enough to achieve this score due to the high number of mistakes. For the 3000 elo player, 91% implies exceptionally precise play. The higher the elo of your opponent, the more challenging it will be to maintain high accuracy.

@lazyatthedisco Ай бұрын

Kramnik clicked so many times in the wrong squares while trying to grab a piece, also no pre-move at all and taking so much time durin relatively not critical positions. Of course he's gonna lose lol

@movdqa Ай бұрын

Nice speed and plan by Jospem. The first 12 moves or so were amazing - blitzed out.

@Nicole-yy1kn Ай бұрын

Yes the guy is stronger than Magnus when no one can see them

@michaelrevell1501 Ай бұрын

Kramnick isn’t as strong when he can’t go to the bathroom 20 times per game. Interesting…

@HexxuSz Ай бұрын

good let this man know about drag and drop

@cristianmicu Ай бұрын

if he would play standard time the issue would dissapear but online he would never trust the opponent for not using stockfish for playing him, even with standard chess time games, and you cant play blitz or faster time games without premove AND HE NEVER PREMOVES.. then no wonder you get on time deficit

@zaczakariclips Ай бұрын

Jospem has 2700 in blitz, Kramnik only 2600. Of course Kramnik lost.

@MrBillThunder Ай бұрын

Kramnik is 2664 in blitz, at his lowest rating in his career. He was 2700+ in February. He was 2840 in his peak. Jospem peak rating is 2700. Kramnik plays almost always against super famous gms. Jose's most fide games are against unknown chess players. Even if Kramnik is far of his prime years, he's still a former world champion, the one that dethroned Kasparov. Speaking about Kramnik just as he's a random gm is insane.

@zaczakariclips Ай бұрын

@@MrBillThunder Was. Not Recent. Kramnik is old so don't compare when he was in his prime and now. In recent years he plays like 2600 not 2800 anymore.

@zaczakariclips Ай бұрын

@@MrBillThunder Plus Kramnik never reach top three in TT. But Jospem had many times.

@MrBillThunder Ай бұрын

@@zaczakariclips You are obviously Kramnik hater cause you didn't ever bother to search Kramnik tt history. Kramnik has won tt in 2023 even with his terrible mouse skills. Also, just a fact that will annoy you. Do you know how many times José Martinez Alcantara has won over the board against a 2700+ fide blitz player? 0 times. Prove me wrong. Find me 1 game that he won against 2700 rated opponent. Are we really comparing otb Kramnik with him? Kramnik online chess suffers because his mouse skills are pretty much the worst ever. He's like playing with time odds every game.

@zaczakariclips Ай бұрын

@@MrBillThunder you obviously Kramnik's worshiper.

@anthonypham7563 Ай бұрын

Kramnik was just worse when he lost the a pawn

@thetunapeckerblues Ай бұрын

I was really liking black's dark square bishop there

@user-sm7ik8vn4x Ай бұрын

Why did he not take the pawn on g4 all those times

@user-sm7ik8vn4x Ай бұрын

When it was hanging I mean

@MrMty65 Ай бұрын

@@user-sm7ik8vn4x White goes Ng5:+ and then picks up the bishop on g4, a bishop that black badly needs to cover all the weak white squares. Blacks position would be strategically lost after this trade I suppose. Kramnik understands these things very well.

@user-sm7ik8vn4x Ай бұрын

@@MrMty65 fair enough, thanks

@luatala8008 Ай бұрын

Yep take the pawn. Free pawn to me.

@vincentcorleone4951 Ай бұрын

he moves so slow. he cannot compete with young people online

@stanlyaateja7778 Ай бұрын

Coming from a guy that is involve at toiletgate 2006, this doesn't sound convincing. Ngl kramnik should stop accusing

@val724 Ай бұрын

Крамник зевает тактику на уровне 3 разряда, имея 16 секунд. Похоже, что античитинговые расследования имеют обратную корреляцию с уровнем игры.

@hellfire_97 Ай бұрын

Похоже, что 4-разрядник завёл профиль на ютубе, чтоб поливать чемпиона говном

@val724 Ай бұрын

@@hellfire_97 не гроссмейстер конечно, но 2300 на Личесе имею. Ты наверняка посильнее будешь

@hellfire_97 Ай бұрын

@@val724 наверняка, потому что 2600 на личессе имею

@val724 Ай бұрын

@@hellfire_97 я сегодня 2400 набрал, можешь поздравлять

@hellfire_97 Ай бұрын

@@val724 поздравляю). На этом уровне много мастеров тусуется

@antomichael5489 Ай бұрын

I sees only normal moves sure guy is outplayed with passing powns... Cramnick need to study modern chess tactics... rather called cheat...level he is playing between 1500-2000 elo...this is my opinion and observation...

@summonersummoner9536 Ай бұрын

They looked down upon him because he is south American but they forgot that he came from the great Peru greatest genetic pool in the world. Perú actually means Pure.

@dantolino1093 Ай бұрын

Pure crap, all best from Lima!

@robinsinpost Ай бұрын

Didn't the winner play too fast in the beginning to cheat?

@itamarkornfeld6117 Ай бұрын

All these players don't cheat

@Stefan0v1 Ай бұрын

Bro, Kramnik is not saying they are cheating every move..Just in complicated positions they take a few moves from the engine to gain advantage.. Here and there cheating is still cheating..Most that play are already strong players, it's just that with some top moves in critical positions, they can gain 200 elo easily.. Pushing them from 2900 to 3100 or more... When you are that good, you know how to cheat, to not make it obvious..

@hellfire_97 Ай бұрын

@@itamarkornfeld6117they do cheat. He played complete nonsense at the beginning

@MrOpen2012 Ай бұрын

For a strong player 1 engine move in critical position is enough to win the game. Obviously, Jospem not some random 800 elo dude who need engine for every move.

@kahvaimuri2824 Ай бұрын

@@hellfire_97 It's a blitz game and especially against Kramink, speed wins strength.

@dublintvcontent2023 29 күн бұрын

I don't get t? White played a very nice game ad it was a sort of bad Kings Indian all the way through. All pretty standard high level chess. White won nicely enough. ZERO ODD here.

@michaelrevell1501 Ай бұрын

Blunders with 9 seconds on the clock. Opponent with a minute on the clock finds continuation. Wow, shocking. Kramnick spends multiple seconds per move on moves that he could have pre-moved or had the piece dragged and ready to drop when he knows he’s playing the move most of the time. So confused why he plays bullet when he barely knows how to use a mouse. I’m also surprised he doesn’t get accused of cheating, if you play bullet against an opponent who takes a minimum of two seconds on even obvious moves in bullet, that’s pretty sus. Personally I just chalk it up to him not knowing how to use a computer, but, you shouldn’t throw stones if you live in a glass house as the kids say

@billyscorner2232 Ай бұрын

this guy needs to install league of legends. he would be epic in bronze 5 on team chat

@angryTOAD-88 Ай бұрын

TIME FOR GRADPA KRAMNIK TO LOW DOWN A LITTLE THAT EGO 🤣🤣🤣

@Nicole-yy1kn Ай бұрын

Don’t forget he is 3000(the Kramnik is). He is not nobody

@jorgebesadita-hv9rs Ай бұрын

He should play 10 minutes match, 3 minutes blitz is too fast for him.

@Draftic84 Ай бұрын

Oh man, this is actually hard to watch. He's just not keeping up with Time & technology. is he degenerating like B.F.??!

@onailimex Ай бұрын

Cayó como un pichón 😂

@marsell7857 Ай бұрын

I think he played not a good game. If he analyze the game he see it.

@insomnia20422 Ай бұрын

Jospem was 100 elo higher rated. Ergo he should crush Kramnik. Oh he did? Why am I not surprised...

@germanvaldivia6916 Ай бұрын

Eres bu rro no????

@bchain6416 Ай бұрын

It would indeed be interesting if there was a supervised online match between Jospen and Kramnik. Maybe this would at last bring to light, that Kramnik is simply worse at online chess than he is over the board.

@Fairy-Chess Ай бұрын

It will happen on june 8th. Live from Madrid, Jospem vs Kramnik.

@igbc176 Ай бұрын

It just happened and jospen destroyed him playing online in the same room as kramnik and it didn't stop kramnik from crying all the time eventhough kramnik make them play 3+2 instead of 3+1 like tittle Tuesdays.

@vladimirmonomah315 Ай бұрын

ну Владимир Борисович дал фору слона чернопольного , а без фигуры сложновато играть ...

@hH-jf6ss Ай бұрын

Jospem delay at critical point

@leerobbo92 Ай бұрын

Well, yeah. You tend to pause in critical positions. If you don't, you're just shit at chess. Jospem is number 23 in the world for OTB blitz. He's at the same level as Wei Yi, Mamedyarov, Andreiikin, Vishy Anand, Nihal Sarin: about 60 points, or a couple of good tournaments, from the top 10. He's rated higher than guys like Anish Giri, Pragg, Nordirbek, Ivanchuk, Naroditsky. It shouldn't be surprising to anyone that he's very, very good in that time control. His current rating is about the same as Kramnik's was *before* he retired in 2019. He's also grown up with online chess, so not only will he be better prepared, but he'll have much faster mouse speed and pattern recognition. Some of his moves were difficult to find, but the speed of his play definitely isn't controversial, and he's got the credentials to back it up.

@GeorgiBozhikov Ай бұрын

Yes, yes, my dear kramnik, it is not easy to play and not useing WC on every move. Do you remeber the match with Topalov, you cheater?

@JS_Precision Ай бұрын

There is no controversy here. Only a sad old man. Jospem plays TT all the time when other GMs are out playing tournaments. Of course he does well.

@Fairy-Chess Ай бұрын

There are lots of controversy. Now jospem and kramnik is going to play an OTB tournament. If Jospem loses then Kramnik's accusation will become true. Match date 7-9th june,Madrid,Spain.

@cristobalbustamante4549 Ай бұрын

Agree. But not only Jospem should win, he should win in a similar proportion as he is winning opponents of Kramnik's elo in titled tuesday.

@manurshankar1465 Ай бұрын

I feel Jospem is going to lose if such an OTB match happens. See the number of engine 1st line moves in the end game. Is it even normal?

@AleksandrKis Ай бұрын

Absolutely no controversy. All of the top GMs know that Jospem is very talanted in using some chess bot assistance here and there. But the monopoly sets the rules. The rule is that cheating brings profits for now. So shut up and play. And if you can't, get you ban and be mobbed.

@theworldofwoo8320 Ай бұрын

Oh christ just get over it. Stop paying attention and it'll wither away. The only sad person is you complaining about an old man

@hH-jf6ss Ай бұрын

Online is very chirer to play game

@krantzcapricorn3462 Ай бұрын

i root for Kramnik no cap

@vladerret670 Ай бұрын

Крамник заслуживает уважение хотя бы за то, что он практически в одиночку, начал бороться с читерством! Все остальные - невнятные терпилы! )

@gabriel-uc1uz Ай бұрын

Shouldn't he also lose respect when he makes false accusations or baseless accusations

@igbc176 Ай бұрын

Kramnik is a shame for Russians. Russians should not defend him. he makes russians look bad. Russia is the land of the real braves and honest, not sore losers like Kramnik

@johnbiteme9118 Ай бұрын

Two times during the video Kramnik admits he blundered, (and lost a rook). Then he loses on time. Kramnik is not the best online chess player in the world. I'll be surprised if he is even in the top 50. That means there are at least 30 or 40 top level online players who can regularly beat Kramnik. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens in the June 7 - 9 match between Kramnik and Jospem where a good portion of the games will be played online under conditions where cheating is impossible.

@Daniel220309 Ай бұрын

Cryminik

@giovannirojas3952 Ай бұрын

Josepm is a cheater. Kramnik will own him. 😎

@chessloverontwitch Ай бұрын

Kramnik is 100%. Much respect!

@iqselect2193 Ай бұрын

Re3 by jospem is super sus tbh

@gunz300 Ай бұрын

Defending the knight to free up the queen. No that's definitely something a GM could find. The configuration looks kind of funny, but the idea is a pretty straightforward one.