KRIMH - Randomness #10 - Double Bass Drumming for Science

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KRIMH - Randomness #10 - Double Bass Drumming for Science

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Күн бұрын

What an incredible experience! I was invited to Nantes, France, to participate in a fascinating study on double bass drumming, specifically focusing on ankle motion. This technique is crucial for double bass drumming at tempos above 150 bpm. Aurélie Sarcher and her team at Drums Biomech are investigating where this movement originates.
Join me as I undergo various tests, including ultrasound imaging, nerve stimulation, and playing double bass at different tempos.
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0:00 Intro
1:00 Trip to Nantes
1:23 Meet Aurélie Sarcher
3:15 At the sport lab
3:44 Ultrasound of Soleus muscle
6:54 Nerve stimulation of Soleus muscle
8:31 Attaching Sensors
9:34 Warm Up
9:56 Ankle Motion at 180bpm and above
11:38 Ankle Motion below 180bpm
12:14 Full Leg & Ankle motion at 200bpm
12:30 Endurance run at 200bpm
14:38 Maximum Voluntary Isometric Contraction
15:50 Outro
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@oliverliken666 18 күн бұрын

I had a long conversation with myself during the shower today about why scientists have not broken down the easiest way to play double bass. And now I find your video. Thank you for doing this.

@nathanfaure2032 Ай бұрын

I took part in the experiment a year ago and I had really been a game changer for me especially seeing how the interaction between the Soleus muscle and the tibialis anterior. Prior to this experiment I was using mainly the soleus but as soon as we reached my maximum tempo and slowest for the ankle motion we saw the tibialis getting involved and because I didn’t train it at all I guess that at some unconfortable tempos the brain tries to involve other muscles to help, the same thing happened during the endurance part The result of the study like Aurélie and Kerim said are not finished and published yet but since then I’ve been actively training my shins in order to use both muscles all the time in good coordination and so far the results have been great, I’ve been able to slow down the ankle technique as well as expanding my maximum tempo and gained more contrôle and adaptability in my full range of speed I can’t wait to see the results of the whole study and to see the compared data from all the participants ! I’m sure it’s gonna be really interesting for the whole extreme drumming community !

@KRIMHDrummer Ай бұрын

Thank you for your input and detailed explanation of what happened after you took part in this experiment. I also think this study will help to understand everything better.

@drumsbiomech2854 Ай бұрын

Thank you Nathan, so glad it gave you some insights !!

@bojanbebervovk Ай бұрын

I struggled with this exact problem for years. I kinda brute forced my way through, with trial and lots of error, but I think it's god's work there are people trying to figure it out scientifically. It's true what Krimh said years ago: The most important is control, not speed or power. Also, Tony Royster jr.'s comment comes to mind: I don't think much about technique, foot placement etc., I just know what i want to play and then find a way to do it. Can't wait for the finished study.

@Mr-Foad Ай бұрын

Great stuff Krimh, I don't think the average person knows how much we train and push our bodies this research is awesome !

@nortcrusader Ай бұрын

As a french people was an honour to receive Krimh :)

@UlfhedinnNorsk Ай бұрын

All you need to do now is unfuck France and make it French again. Last time a brilliant Austrian man came to France, you refused to benefit from his vision. 😂

@JuveriSetila Ай бұрын

EARLY PATREON SQUAAAADDDDD

@xkukubax Ай бұрын

It was indeed very informative. Thank you for sharing, Kerim!

@OriolHinojosaPedrosa Ай бұрын

As musician and trainer this is FREAKING INTERESTING man. Ill be one tune fore sure

@jarrahdrum Ай бұрын

very fascinating, thank you for sharing this experience/experiment, Fantastic 🙂

@jchope777 Ай бұрын

Thanks for doing this dude! So awesome 😎

@Wildoerfaren Ай бұрын

Really interesting video combining two of my favorite interests; drumming and sports science. Looking forward to the results. Also this shows the high level of control and stamina you have Krimh! 🙌💪🥁🔥

@KRIMHDrummer Ай бұрын

Thank you Peter! 🙏🏻

@dio4912 Ай бұрын

i am a drummer and also i'd like to go to university to study physiotherapy, and it was REALLY interesting! thank you for the video!

@KRIMHDrummer Ай бұрын

Sound like a great choice to study 👍🏻

@angiebalzer402 Ай бұрын

Hey krimh..I was at your concert in Pennsylvania on your u.s. tour. I was in the front row and you handed me your set list. I was in such awe that I didn't think to ask for a picture with you. That will always be a huge regret. You are absolutely amazing 🤘🖤🔥

@Lupine. Ай бұрын

Full and solid strokes. It's not 250+, but it proves how much hard work he puts into practice.

@nocomment9921 Ай бұрын

Awesome video!! I'm always looking for ways to drum safer and long while trying to get to a high level. Love it Krimh!

@jonkipling2605 Ай бұрын

This was really cool, thanks for sharing!

@jamesadamgleason9471 Ай бұрын

Its so badass how the different rhythms play thru

@Samarithan72 Ай бұрын

Sure will be interesting to take part of the conclusion of this study.

@360.Tapestry Ай бұрын

thanks for doing this. thanks to the scientists who are going to help all drummers understand the optimal techniques and training methodology

@hateva_on_bass Ай бұрын

Wow, that's super interesting! Thank you for sharing.😁🤘🏻 Please post an update with the results if possible.

@gimmenames9039 Ай бұрын

Dude is in shape!

@VICTHECOMMENTER Ай бұрын

Fantastic one brother, looking forward to the results of the study

@MrAkismalam Ай бұрын

Now this is different and super interesting

@ManuelDelGiudice Ай бұрын

This is pure gold!!! I'm impatient to see the result! 🤩 Since I had a little back pain,in the lower part of it, I am really interested to understand the muscles involvement during double bass playing! In particular how double bass drumming will affect my back in a long run ✌🏻 AMAZING GUYS! CHEERES FROM ITALY!

@KRIMHDrummer Ай бұрын

Double bass drumming can be hard on the body but with the right technique it should be less impactful. Lower back pain is a common problem to be honest and I think everyone has experienced it at one point.

@jamesadamgleason9471 Ай бұрын

They damn sure got their money out of that Alesis pad

@markusn840 Ай бұрын

Extremely intresting. Also studied biomechanics and physiotherapy. Im drummer from Finland.

@damianneve Ай бұрын

I said this about the soleus to the drum technique academy guys and they act like I was a moron... about time you all caught up to science

@robwoodring9437 Ай бұрын

After this study is done, i bet that same researcher would find the various blasts & rolls you guys do with your hands interesting. That stuff is just as impressive as the double-bass speed, IMO

@razorimages Ай бұрын

Science should always be done by Metal fans (seems Aurélie and her teammate are :) ) Very Interesting (even if i'm not even a drummer) : learning how to prevent injuries, learning how to train the muscles is crucial for any sport, so very cool experience (drumming at this level, is sport).

@schattenwahn2526 Ай бұрын

That's really very interesting, I am looking forward to the final results and conclusions! One thing that crossed my mind while watching: you were hesitant to increase the tempo to 230 bpm, but I think I already have seen you playing even faster than that. Is it because than it wouldn't be a "mostly ankle motion" anymore due to the swivels kicking in? Something that is "not allowed" because the focus is on ankle motion (besides the fact that the cable linked to your calf would have a hard time, lol).

@drumsbiomech2854 Ай бұрын

The lab conditions are quite constraining and very different from studio conditions, because of the pad that is not the classic pad for Krimh, the electrodes (some of them on the glutes), the probe which is squeezes the calf, etc. Also the sound from the triggers is recorded but Krimh does not hear it while playing so it is very difficult without sound feedback to adjust correctly at high speeds ! That is why all drummers who came for the experiment do not reach their maximal speed during the experiment. But it is not a speed contest, we aim to measure as many speeds as possible to compare and measure the effect of speed on the different parameters, but the maximal value does not matter much in the study :-)

@schattenwahn2526 Ай бұрын

@@drumsbiomech2854 I understand, thank you for elaborating! :-)

@KRIMHDrummer Ай бұрын

I might have been a little bit quicker in the past, when I was young 😂 but I never was one of the fast cats out there. To be honest I hate playing on a pad and it’s quite tough to keep higher tempos for a longer period of time. As Aurelie mentioned it’s not a speed contest and we want to rather capture the movement patterns in different tempo zones.

@Rideonthetop 14 сағат бұрын

Maschine

@akshitdas2012 Ай бұрын

Hi Krimh... First of all thank you very very much for making another randomness video... Had been missing this for quite some time now... Please don't mind, but I have this one question in my head since I was watching a few of your earliest videos on this channel... Back in the days when you were in Poland, how did you practice drums and like proper metal? Didn't your neighbors complain? What solutions did you have for that? I'm direly in need for your advice... And I hope it would be really helpful for others as well...😅

@KholmDrums Ай бұрын

I'm waiting on the episode of Krimh's Randomness when we'll have a Swedish fika together.

@KRIMHDrummer Ай бұрын

@@KholmDrums it’s gonna happen sooner or later ☕️ 🇸🇪

@klodinsky3132 Ай бұрын

🤩

@soulfate2 Ай бұрын

Khrim can you cover The black uncharted by Keep of Kalessin Great content always bro

@deathmetaldxb Ай бұрын

Great video! Question- The Surface for Alesis practice pad is much harder than the drum kit right? It may be causing more strain on the calves, especially with the weight at the back to hold the pad. Would this make a difference in the study?

@KRIMHDrummer Ай бұрын

It feels different than a real kick drum but we have to do it in a lab. It’s not necessarily more straining but rather a different rebound which I am not used to. At my comfortable speed it was fine

@soloseakayaker Ай бұрын

210 bpm=Vampire from Nazareth vibes!! :D

@KRIMHDrummer Ай бұрын

🧛🏻‍♂️

@Fudgielips Ай бұрын

Gojira tats! 🐋🐋

@muffinman4353 Ай бұрын

Thomas Lange is the GOAT of double bass drumming....

@Joey.Darkwoods-Studio Ай бұрын

Those pedals needed a cigarette after that beating!! lol

@Frodamn Ай бұрын

Krimh, do you think you could have gone faster and/or longer at the higher BPMs if you were able to do more with your hands? I noticed as the BPM went up you mimed hitting a high-hat it looked like. And I know when i do high tremolo picking I get more out of it with both hands than just using my picking hand (if that makes sense)

@KRIMHDrummer Ай бұрын

I could have played more with my hands but I wanted to focus on my feet and to play them tight. So I only played a bit. Sure it helps to have some sort of „pulse“ in order to stay on the tempo. My right hand is more important as it helps my feet to understand the tempo better. The faster you go the harder it gets to not get lost.

@Frodamn Ай бұрын

@@KRIMHDrummer Thats a good way of explaining it. Thanks for that man. Btw I met you when you came to New Zealand with Behemoth. Would be great to see you make your way back here again some time. Already been 10 years!

@rafaelandliammostly5316 Ай бұрын

👍🇧🇷

@ZatriawanBahari 23 күн бұрын

halo lord, can you help indonesian subtitle? 🙏🏻

@xkukubax Ай бұрын

Also, is there a better accent than French?

@echodream Ай бұрын

Did they put a moisture meter in the butt crack?

@krypteral Ай бұрын

sloppy ):

@armystrong2727 Ай бұрын

This was a total waste of time wasted 3-4 mins of my life lolololol just drum and why worry about muscle function as long as you can play what waste time with this nonsense

@reverieofmusic436 Ай бұрын

This was awesome! I look forward to seeing the result video whenever that comes out!

@UlfhedinnNorsk Ай бұрын

😂 That is the most French accent I have ever heard. Infinity Gauntlet idea is to get Krimh, Sven De Caluve (Aborted), Francesco (Fleshgod Apocalypse) and Alex (Slaughter to Prevail) to all sing in their accents. It would be awesome.

@UlfhedinnNorsk Ай бұрын

Take a look at Evgeniy (Slaughter to Prevail), Eugene (Fleshgod Apocalypse), Krimh, etc… Extreme metal drumming is a dang sport where you have to be in top top shape. Of course there are exceptions like Gene H, Austin A and few others 😉🤘🏻

@GirlsInYogaPantsAreSimplyNaked Ай бұрын

If it was for Science, it would be an acoustic kick drum.

@aerodynamicuppercut Ай бұрын

This is super interesting ! Couple of questions : - how much variation there is between both legs (in terms of muscles used, response time,strength etc.) ? - Any specific reason why MVIC was done on the left leg ?

@KRIMHDrummer Ай бұрын

For now we recorded just the data and it will take time until Aurelie goes through everything. After that I should know more how much each leg has to work We did MVIC on both legs for glute muscles and hip flexors. I just didn’t show all of it ;)

@aerodynamicuppercut Ай бұрын

@@KRIMHDrummer yeah ofc, how impatient of me 😄 (I'm fascinated about that since I'm cross dominant). Ah I see 🙂 nice there was an explanation about the shouting because I was a bit confused when I saw it on Instagram haha

@shadow408408 Ай бұрын

It's always cool to collect such scientific findings to better understand how things work and especially how the techniques work efficiently, Kudos to all involved, Combining 2 of your favourite topics - drumming and sportslab I guess ^^

@KRIMHDrummer Ай бұрын

Oh yes it was super interesting and great to be part of it

@jessbarker1971 Ай бұрын

This is an awesome video, its cool to see how playing drums affects the body, its really interesting,

@KRIMHDrummer Ай бұрын

Yes indeed

@eiswanderer4664 Ай бұрын

Very informative! Science and metal, aurelie is living the dream

@thedeceased Ай бұрын

We needed !both! Muscles in our leg for ankle motion. So It's not just lifting the calve. Scientifically proven.

@adrienribot Ай бұрын

Cool stuff 👌

@normalwhitedude Ай бұрын

Really cool!

@madmatt_81 Ай бұрын

Super cool , very illuminating episode, fascinating 🖤🔥

@Anthonybrother Ай бұрын

En tant qu'amateur de death metal francophone, c'est vraiment cool comme contenu.

@lobbyrobby Ай бұрын

I started learning about 7 months ago. I'm trying to get my foot speed up. Single pedal of course. Man I don't get it. Just trying to get a few extra kicks in on a simple drum beat and somedays I do alright and other days it's like my foot won't even work lol

@KRIMHDrummer Ай бұрын

It takes some time to control this „reflex loop“. a reflex is kind of a survival mechanism and a very quick signal but hard to control. The goal is to tap into this reflex loop to play fast but we need to learn to control it. This is nothing that can be done quick and needs time to develop. Patience :)

@Cyrax89721 Ай бұрын

12:30 I'd love to see them quantify your accuracy over time with this experiment.

@drumsbiomech2854 Ай бұрын

Yep it is planned ! For now I calculated it for the short trials and man, it is nearly perfect !

@GamePlayMetal Ай бұрын

Haha nice! My friend Clément who plays for Fractal Universe & on my videos has done this with Aurélie few weeks before you did

@miked5487 Ай бұрын

Im amazed that cable didnt fly off

@marc___zkz Ай бұрын

She's so good at English!

@drumsbiomech2854 Ай бұрын

😂 thanks !

@KRIMHDrummer Ай бұрын

I think she is great and could explain everything very clearly

@MaksValeri Ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing this with us as well!!

@jonelraitiere3183 Ай бұрын

🇲🇫🇲🇫🇲🇫🇲🇫🇲🇫

@Tweek-ej6uh Ай бұрын

Hello from Nantes 🙂 nice vidéo !

@wpgspecb Ай бұрын

3:50 The CAV .... 66samus

@SvendleBerries Ай бұрын

Ohh yuurrrr!!

@MathijsIgnoul Ай бұрын

The real question remains: are you using your hip flexors enough?

@2011vortex Ай бұрын

We need more extreme metal fans to be into science. Especially biology, physics, and chemistry.

@KRIMHDrummer Ай бұрын

💪🏼

@Fudgielips Ай бұрын

I taught myself surgery from listening to Carcass.

@robwoodring9437 Ай бұрын

Search "the charismatic voice". She's friends with Will Ramos, and recently put out a long video putting him thru all kinds of science experiments during his screams.

@CinGarrifex Ай бұрын

That was so effing awesome. I am completely enticed by the study and I am very interested in the results. Thank you for "giving" yourself to science for the study and bringing us along with you. Rock on 🤘🔥🧡🔥🤘

@christianjnorman Ай бұрын

🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻 As always!

@ChaosPootato Ай бұрын

French Grip Channel shirt! I've seen the video about Aurélie's work on his channel, I think it's absolutely awesome and I'm glad you took part in it

@ChaosPootato Ай бұрын

(Also as a French guy, I'm slightly cringing at the thick French accent :D)

@Anthonybrother Ай бұрын

@@ChaosPootato Ouais, au Québec on imite généralement l'accent américain en parlant anglais, ça fait étrange d'entendre l'Anglais parlé avec l'accent de France.

@drumsbiomech2854 Ай бұрын

@@Anthonybrother croyez moi, je donne tout pour imiter l'accent américain, mais ça marche juste pas ;-)

@ALLforROME Ай бұрын

Francesco Paoli enters the room - Hold my beer 🍺 😂

@sogoth9592 Ай бұрын

Nice voluntary self torture ;)

@SlayerFan666 Ай бұрын

Hey cool video very interresting topic, but one very important question : what are your current pedal settings? most important the beater angle and the spring tention. I love your Videos and your music. Greetings from Landshut, Germany

@DigitalDemonForge Ай бұрын

the reaL answer will be "personalized settings" copying someone else settings is pointless and will make zero improvements for your own style of playing .

@SlayerFan666 Ай бұрын

@@DigitalDemonForge yeah i think you'r right, butin my opinion if for example eugene ryabcnkeis able to play 300 bpm with certain settings i should be able to do that same thing with those setting, just changing them a little bit.

@SvendleBerries Ай бұрын

@@DigitalDemonForge Sometimes using someone elses settings works. From there, things can be adjusted as needed.

@drumsbiomech2854 Ай бұрын

Settings are very important and are measured at the beginning of the study (seat height, spring tension, length of shaft, board height, beater tilt angle, etc.). It was done for all drummers, with basic physionomy measurements (leg length, weight, height), so that people will be able to try out some settings according to the physionomy that matches the most their own. All of that will be released with the biomechanical results, in a few months ! :-)

@annatantawy Ай бұрын

Thank you for full trip video, it was nice to watch and listen scientific points of research and your emotions as well😊

@Panchosoto Ай бұрын

She has a not very good habit for the vehicle... she keeps her hand on the gear lever...

@SvendleBerries Ай бұрын

With a stick-shift, that just happens when you're in traffic thats changing speeds a lot. You could see at one point, the traffic was steady enough that she had her hand off the shifter.

@prod_adrian Ай бұрын

Haha, who the fck even cares about that part in this video?!? 😀

@iamawaffler8723 Ай бұрын

Loved the video. I wanna see this done on Chris Turner. I want to know if his "technique" is even human. (I know his technique has nothing to do with ankles. Just for fun.)

@KRIMHDrummer Ай бұрын

Yes that would be very interesting. He has the hulk technique 💪🏼

@KIKROX86 Ай бұрын

Wow, your endurance is insane!! 💪💪💪

@fomenegra7881 Ай бұрын

For the science...

@Silversmith70 Ай бұрын

They should have a normal person try that to show how ridiculously good he is.

@Anthonybrother Ай бұрын

I was jamming imaginary guitar riffs along to that.

@pascalschulz5894 Ай бұрын

People tend to forget how skilled some musicians are at their instruments and how much time it takes to get up to a level like this. I'd consider myself an above average drummer myself, but people like Krimh are still miles ahead imo. :D

@prod_adrian Ай бұрын

Good idea, but the "normal" person would not even get 3 hits in consecutive order :D so that would quite boring. Krimh and James Payne, Kevin Paradis and all those guys are like elite athletes in that drumming field!

@Silversmith70 Ай бұрын

@@prod_adrian I always think that with the Olympics too. Put someone like me in the swimming pool with the athletes just to remind everyone how great the actual pro's are.