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Krystian Zimerman plays Valses Nobles et Sentimentales (Maurice Ravel) - Complete

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David Long Music

David Long Music

12 жыл бұрын

Krystian Zimerman's unique and hypnotizing interpretation of Ravel's Valses Nobles et Sentimentales.
I Modéré -- très franc - 0:09
II Assez lent -- avec une expression intense - 1:52
III Modéré - 4:03
IV Assez animé - 5:26
V Presque lent -- dans un sentiment intime - 6:32
VI Assez vif - 7:22
VII Moins vif - 8:05
VIII Epilogue: lent - 10:44
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@musica2605
@musica2605 10 жыл бұрын
Greatest performance I have ever listened to. Mr.Zimerman uses all functions of the piano. Unbelievably colorful piano performance!
@sunlings
@sunlings 9 жыл бұрын
I never would've imagined so many loud split membered chords could sound so beautiful; I guess it's just great voicing both in the performers' fingers and the composer's voice leading.
@MeWantHoneycomb
@MeWantHoneycomb 3 жыл бұрын
Ravel..greatest composer of all time!!
@SomePleasantSounds
@SomePleasantSounds 9 жыл бұрын
Wow... His phrasing on 7 is incredible, especially from 8:59 to 9:08, I just noticed he's doing a crescendo and decrescendo with the themes in each hand... That's incredible mental discipline
@ronwalker4849
@ronwalker4849 5 жыл бұрын
THE UNEQUAL PHRASING IN ALL MUSIC IS CALLED PORTAMENTO, KEITH HILL RELEASED A BOOK ON PORTAMENTO THIS YEAR. IT ADDS GREAT INTEREST TO THE MUSIC
@adamjnotthecongressmanschi7026
@adamjnotthecongressmanschi7026 2 жыл бұрын
@@ronwalker4849 WHY IS THIS ALL CAPITALIZED
@Ace-dv5ce
@Ace-dv5ce 2 жыл бұрын
@@adamjnotthecongressmanschi7026 It’s his way of show anger through words
@Magnet12
@Magnet12 10 ай бұрын
@@adamjnotthecongressmanschi7026BECAUSE YOU’RE A FOOL
@Louceph
@Louceph 3 жыл бұрын
What a find this is. I love these pieces and this may honestly be my favorite interpretation I've ever heard. The way he shapes 7 is breathtaking; rarely do you hear such a sweeping combination of joy and grandeur!
@juankgonzalez6230
@juankgonzalez6230 8 ай бұрын
His 3rd waltz is probably the best I've heard. Beautiful interpretation
@davidofpiano423
@davidofpiano423 8 ай бұрын
I couldn’t agree more.
@Bampaloudu64
@Bampaloudu64 5 ай бұрын
I've always been fond of Richter rendering of this work and never knew Zimerman interpreted it. He is great too. I normally wouldn't agree with all these rubatos, but the way he does just makes sense.
@ronwalker4849
@ronwalker4849 5 жыл бұрын
ENORMOUS BEAUTY IN THIS EXPRESSION AND CLEAR ARTICULATION MAINTAINED IN THE MIDST OF THE FLUIDITY OF THE EXPRESSIVE GESTURES. BRAVO !!!
@Rx-mn5fv
@Rx-mn5fv 10 жыл бұрын
Simply adding my agreement to the listed comments - so listenable and enjoyable. bravo Zimerman!
@yiyingniu5356
@yiyingniu5356 9 жыл бұрын
Speechless...I love this piece played by him
@leoinsf
@leoinsf 3 жыл бұрын
As true for most Ravel keyboard pieces, this takes technique, touch and hands of steel and hands of velvet. There are movements that are definitely playable for the "not-exactly concert pianists out there " like me. However, there are movements that need hands that stretch over an octave and technical passages that fly so quickly over the keyboard that you must memorize every note before you can play it in context. Valses Nobles et Sentimentales is so deceptive. While it is not at the difficulty level of Gaspard de la Nuit, it so difficult that I could practice until doomsday and still not play with the relaxed and poetic sensitivities of a Krystian Zimerman. I better stick with Pavane for a Dead Princess: my speed!
@Petstein1870
@Petstein1870 6 жыл бұрын
For me the greatest pianist of actual days.
@thegoodgeneral
@thegoodgeneral 12 жыл бұрын
Modéré especially was wonderful. Thanks for the upload!
@davidofpiano423
@davidofpiano423 11 жыл бұрын
The only lesser known recordings I'm aware of are the ones I posted from this concert on my channel. He does an incredible interpretation of the Gershwin Preludes and the Pathetique Sonata. Apart from that, a good thorough search on KZfaq and Google ought to yield you some gold. Best of luck! Let me know if you find any gems. Btw- See the video response I posted on this page to get to the Gershwin Preludes.
@wnaenni
@wnaenni 12 жыл бұрын
Amazing! I have no words....
@honoratamusica
@honoratamusica 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah... hypnotizing... I must listen more Ravel piano pieces 💝💜
@Magnet12
@Magnet12 8 ай бұрын
9:20 best bit
@davidofpiano423
@davidofpiano423 8 ай бұрын
Completely agree
@davidofpiano423
@davidofpiano423 12 жыл бұрын
Good question, it's actually not written into the score. The only masters I've heard take that repeat are Zimerman and Michaelangeli. I was taken aback at first, but have grown to appreciate both approaches. I'm currently doing research on the performance practice of Ravel's piano music and hope to find out more about this as I dig deeper into his manuscripts. You'll also notice that Zimerman repeats back to the Grave section of the first movement of the Pathetique sonata in this same concert.
@gjfanatique
@gjfanatique 9 жыл бұрын
Just checked in to get a listen to the pieces in my new Ravel piano book. A player like this and a composer like that are catnip for classical guitar duos nervy enough to take it on. For the pieces we do attempt, it takes at least two of us to get enough of the notes to do it any justice. But hey, it takes two hands to play one note on a guitar!
@sergio6357
@sergio6357 4 жыл бұрын
0:27 I like this repeat playing. ABM also plays like that.
@chtraz
@chtraz 10 жыл бұрын
i wish i could listen at a high quality
@BenSadounJeremie
@BenSadounJeremie 9 жыл бұрын
This is a pianist.
8 жыл бұрын
+Jérémie Kann Ben Sadoun Really ? It's not a violonist ????
@harveyg9898
@harveyg9898 8 жыл бұрын
+Fox I don't even think Heifitz is a Violonist :O
8 жыл бұрын
No, Heifetz was an accordeonist
@lepredator189
@lepredator189 8 жыл бұрын
I couldn't have put it any more succinctly, Jérémie
@ligatura975
@ligatura975 6 жыл бұрын
Artist. The absolute finest of that kind.
@danielceccaldi9676
@danielceccaldi9676 Жыл бұрын
C'est miraculeux !! 11:36
@razegfx
@razegfx 12 жыл бұрын
Ah, I love this performance! By the way, is the repetition at the beginning a part of the original score? I've heard a few performances (namely Bavouzet, Argerich, Lortie) as well as a handful of orchestral ones, but none have played the repetition.
@inkorect
@inkorect 4 жыл бұрын
7 years after.. the repetition is not in the score, and I don't know anyone else who plays it, so I guess he might "invent" it :)
@Lebowski53
@Lebowski53 4 жыл бұрын
Alba Lajus Funnily enough, Volodos plays the repetition too. But agree, nothing in the score. Bit odd to add it.
@salomonibrahim4040
@salomonibrahim4040 3 жыл бұрын
@@inkorect I think he got inspired by Michelangelis recording, who was his Idol
@ferdinangenius
@ferdinangenius 8 жыл бұрын
his use of time changes is amazng
@davidofpiano423
@davidofpiano423 8 жыл бұрын
+Fernando Villegas Unlike any other!
@lepredator189
@lepredator189 8 жыл бұрын
What is it about Ravel that just tug at my heartstrings and lacrimal glands! Especially the No. VII (Moins Vif)
@TobyShorin
@TobyShorin 4 жыл бұрын
does anyone know if there is a recording of zimerman's solo piano performance of these pieces? I can only find the orchestral versions
@dad9447
@dad9447 10 жыл бұрын
Uno no se acostumbra nunca a las estupendas interpretaciones.
@TallGlassOfLemonade
@TallGlassOfLemonade 9 жыл бұрын
I'm playing the second movement of this. I totally suck compared to Krystian Zimmerman.
@davidofpiano423
@davidofpiano423 9 жыл бұрын
Don't worry, so does the rest of the world =)
@TallGlassOfLemonade
@TallGlassOfLemonade 9 жыл бұрын
True that.
@MuriMorello
@MuriMorello 9 жыл бұрын
hey ***** i came here for the second movement =) i guess it really echoes strayhorn's chelsea bridge.. do u have this maurice's papers? please help me @ contatodomorello@gmail.com
@MuriMorello
@MuriMorello 9 жыл бұрын
***** just found ;_ good luck on the good work l;
@gjfanatique
@gjfanatique 9 жыл бұрын
***** If you are asking about sheet music for the Valses, I just got "Le Tombeau de Couperin and other works for solo piano", a book from Dover Publications. I got it at Amazon. Pretty cheap.
@SimonCU
@SimonCU 4 жыл бұрын
There is something wrong with the sound. Did you add reverb into it? There is too much echo. It sounds as if it is not in pitch.
@davidofpiano423
@davidofpiano423 3 жыл бұрын
As mentioned in the comments above, this is a copy of a copy of the original recording. It’s the only one available on KZfaq and was downloaded directly from Youku about eight years ago. No one else seems to have it so this is the best we’ve got.
@Chopin1995
@Chopin1995 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidofpiano423 I was going to ask. Zimerman mentioned in 2007 that he was very proud about this performance and it was going to be released on DVD. Unforntunately it wasn't, and all we have is some poor copies. I also have the entire recital in one part (1h12m) but it's in even worse quality. I remember watching this recital in 2011 on YT. I assume from yet another source.
@MozzareIla
@MozzareIla 2 ай бұрын
이곡에 있어서 내가 가장 좋아하는 연주
@musiclassic1
@musiclassic1 11 жыл бұрын
Heh, I have them all. I was just ecstatic to see Zimerman play these Valses, though. And don't worry, I will. I have a big Zimerman folder.
@nm-zx1wf
@nm-zx1wf 9 жыл бұрын
I'm learning to play this and its surprising how many double sharps there are in the first waltz, it being g major
@beyoncadavis6566
@beyoncadavis6566 4 жыл бұрын
True me too actually
@razegfx
@razegfx 12 жыл бұрын
Ah, interesting. Thanks for the reply and the info! I'll definitely have to listen to ABM's reading of this. I'll check out the Pathetique for the repetition. Good luck with your research!
@rodolfomonaco7926
@rodolfomonaco7926 11 жыл бұрын
La bravura di Zimerman ipnotizza!
@musiclassic1
@musiclassic1 11 жыл бұрын
Brilliant. Do you know/have any more hardly known Zimerman recordings?
@beyoncadavis6566
@beyoncadavis6566 4 жыл бұрын
Oh to meet zimmerman
@NotSkyler
@NotSkyler 11 жыл бұрын
Any findings on if this was written anywhere on the original score? I've seen the full score and it's not on there, but I find it very interesting!
@musiclassic1
@musiclassic1 11 жыл бұрын
How did you gain this amazing video?
@nylehotaling675
@nylehotaling675 2 жыл бұрын
The extraordinarily good pianist, the patriarchal attribution, Celtic- more correct to say than Germanian. Some Levertys left Celtic land, anciently, this was for them a very wise decision; there was pandemic bad luck and misfortune, there. The composer Brahms, this was also his ancestral, from Levertys; the Russian pianist, Lugansky, as well... This was best wisdom for them to self-originate a new name. Leverty translates as "bonnie"; I've had that name, but in a past life...
@user-ij5lb2zv8t
@user-ij5lb2zv8t 7 ай бұрын
beautful
@janinab.natoniewska3856
@janinab.natoniewska3856 7 жыл бұрын
Fantastycznie////////////////// .
@jmw0413
@jmw0413 6 жыл бұрын
bravo.
@Nazjata
@Nazjata 9 жыл бұрын
overwhelming
@joseguillermogonzalez9713
@joseguillermogonzalez9713 4 жыл бұрын
Yo creo que uno de los problemas con el audio es que no está bien sincronizado y se oye después del vídeo. Está ligeramente desfasado.
@seongjincho7192
@seongjincho7192 6 жыл бұрын
So much heavy
@christianspillemose4074
@christianspillemose4074 4 жыл бұрын
Agree. He is not intimate enough. Partly due to all the echo on the recording, though.
@christianspillemose4074
@christianspillemose4074 4 жыл бұрын
A pity it is a bad recording(equipment?).
@GothicKin
@GothicKin 10 жыл бұрын
Did Ravel wrote these La Valse or these walzes first? Because they resemble La Valse a lot, especially the second waltz
@davidofpiano423
@davidofpiano423 10 жыл бұрын
Valses Nobles et Sentimentales were written first
@GothicKin
@GothicKin 10 жыл бұрын
So the fact the the Valse sounds similar is due to his particular harmony and style or is he intentionally referencing to them?
@davidofpiano423
@davidofpiano423 9 жыл бұрын
Jacopo Barberis Definitely more due to his harmony and style. Sorry it took me a year to reply lol.
@GothicKin
@GothicKin 9 жыл бұрын
davidofpiano423 better late than never. Is this an actual saying, I translated it literally from italian lol
@quirky555
@quirky555 9 жыл бұрын
+Jacopo Barberis Didn't want you waiting another year - Yes, that's a popular saying in English.
@bahtiarmumen8143
@bahtiarmumen8143 11 жыл бұрын
You're the one Zimerman
@pattelino9466
@pattelino9466 6 ай бұрын
It seems Zimermans interpretation of this piece is amazing. I just can't take the audio quality 😐
@nylehotaling675
@nylehotaling675 2 жыл бұрын
For a studio recording, slower tempos in places, I think... a recital is a little bit a festive occasion. "Hesperethusian moodality"- I didn't know until recently that Heseperethusa is the same divinity as Iduna; also, the same as Sharika, in the more eastern; goddess of The Well At The World's End, as some put it... very much, according to those whose predilection is to See; Franks weren't especially fond of dancing. The best recordings of profound works come from this pianist, a descendant of Celtic Levertys, those who made a very wise decision to leave a Celtic land in which there was pandemic misfortune and bad luck- this also true of the composer Brahms and the Russian pianist Lugansky...
@jagareco
@jagareco 10 жыл бұрын
Very good performance, but not even close about what richter did, both young and late versions. no one than Richter here, no one
@user-no3pr8nk6i
@user-no3pr8nk6i 9 жыл бұрын
Amazing Performance!
@daniele8716
@daniele8716 8 жыл бұрын
+Jaime Reyes Well, Michelangeli was not bad either don't you think - also considering that Richter himself praised him as best Ravel's interpreter ever ;) I think this performance by Zimerman is very nice and echoes Michelangeli's, with a more lucid and contemporary approach but maybe less "impressionistic" sonorities and phrasings.
@punkpoetry
@punkpoetry 7 жыл бұрын
First of all, Richter praised his G major concerto, not Ravel in general. But I prefer Michelangeli's interpretation of the Valses to all others as it highlights a certain abstractness about this work. There's nothing about Michelangeli's playing of the Valses that's "impressionistic", if anything Zimerman is probably closer to that.
@puuxexil
@puuxexil 7 жыл бұрын
So when/if Chuck Norris gets old, he'll look like this.
@christianspillemose4074
@christianspillemose4074 4 жыл бұрын
Haha, he still has got the old Beatles haircut. He must be a great fan of them
@SimonCU
@SimonCU 4 жыл бұрын
Theres something wrong with the sound.
@ejsmusicdiary
@ejsmusicdiary 3 жыл бұрын
오!!!
@nmslcnmb
@nmslcnmb 2 жыл бұрын
8:50
@s33333s
@s33333s 2 жыл бұрын
으아니 ㅋㅋㅋ ㅋㅋㅋㅋ ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 아무리 ㄹㅂ?이여도 그렇치?? 앉짜마자 겁나 곧짱 너무 바로 겁나오토급연주 왕뽱 터짐 ㅋ ㅋㅋ ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 는 걍 나. ' _ ' ... 어째튼 저째튼 오늘의 기분 범주에 몹시 크게 와닿는 ㄹㅂ이 아닐수가 없음. #ㄱㅐ 울 적
@sanjosemike
@sanjosemike 10 жыл бұрын
First of all, this is a horrendously difficult piece to play. I have found that I use a lot of pedal to smooth it out. It is probably one of Ravel's very best works, even though it is not played nearly enough...probably because it is so difficult. Zimerman's tempi are not very "waltz-like" and he often seems to forget that they are actually waltzes. I think that Zimerman also tends to pound it out. It is not Liszt. There is supposed to be a sense of mystery and ephemeral nature to the waltzes, which I think he misses. sanjosemike
@labemolmineur
@labemolmineur 8 жыл бұрын
+sanjosemike "Zimerman's tempi are not very waltz-like"- I really agree. When I listened to this I thought to myself, Oh Zimerman- a great poet, but not a very great dancer. There is an elegance and a French/ Ravelian kind of understatement that I yearned for but missed.
@davidofpiano423
@davidofpiano423 8 жыл бұрын
+sanjosemike Keep in mind that the genre of the Waltz grew far beyond it's original dance form during the 19th century. Much like the Prelude and the Mazurka, the Waltz became a vehicle for composers to explore new harmonic and formal territory, so the idea that they should be danced to doesn't necessarily apply here.
@marypeter1007
@marypeter1007 7 жыл бұрын
+davidofpiano423 Precisely.
@samuelrobinson205
@samuelrobinson205 6 жыл бұрын
Also Ravel seems to play around with the traditional waltz - taking traditional elements and exaggerating/caricaturing them so that it can sounds bizarre and grotesque in parts. He does the same thing in La Valse.
@samuelrobinson205
@samuelrobinson205 6 жыл бұрын
I.e. it's not supposed to be danced to and that's partly what makes it so bizarre
@lisatutunjian3555
@lisatutunjian3555 25 күн бұрын
The 0.01 second décalage is annoying
@supermasterpip
@supermasterpip 11 жыл бұрын
I dont like this performance....its too big and loud,and lacks subtlety....the performance by mattias fletzberger,is much more sensitive.Krystian Zimerman pulls and stretches some of the waltzes.Ravel was known as the french clockmaker,and his keyboard music does require a certain precision!...There! I've said it!!
@SomePleasantSounds
@SomePleasantSounds 11 жыл бұрын
I think he's too liberal with use of rubato, and I don't think he really got a grasp of the expressiveness of the music early on, but he seemed to play better as it went on. In particular I enjoyed waltzes 3 and 6
@leoinsf
@leoinsf 3 жыл бұрын
Ravel's piece is really not a set of waltzes. As with all of Ravel's dance compositions (La Valse, Bolero), he idealizes them and makes them dreamlike. I have played La Valse for 20 years and understand the Ravel concept of waltz from living with this piece. There are moments when it is just a waltz, but then the waltz goes from dream to destruction over its period of 15 minutes. Ravel is rubato personified. He reaches into the dream and doesn't just present a tinkly waltz. This is a symphonic metamorphosis of a waltz. Ravel writes for the dream and what you end up is a spiritual experience more than a musical experience. Ravel lived musically in another dimension!
@jennekefokkens-rip2783
@jennekefokkens-rip2783 9 жыл бұрын
This is not my favorite performance... Try listen to Yvonne Lefébure's recording.
@christianspillemose4074
@christianspillemose4074 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, or Gieseking, Perlemuter, Louis Lortie or ABM
@robinvanrenselaar7142
@robinvanrenselaar7142 4 жыл бұрын
I love Alexandre Tharaud's interpretation too!
@lawrencemuller8972
@lawrencemuller8972 3 жыл бұрын
And Alexis Weissenberg : phenomenal !
@friedrichengelpanther7732
@friedrichengelpanther7732 5 ай бұрын
Who cares about your taste...? if you aren't able to recognize and find perfection on this performanc it says a lot about your lack of knowledge in music.
@viktor1845
@viktor1845 Жыл бұрын
bad(
@adriancook7078
@adriancook7078 3 жыл бұрын
This is so boring. Just listen to the Rubinstein and that's it. There is no texture in this. Bang and tinkle. What's that ?
@mikehutton3937
@mikehutton3937 3 жыл бұрын
Have to disagree. Rubinstein plays it like Schubert, which I suppose is appropriate. Slightly stilted but not really French. This performance is weird. I love Zimerman's Chopin and Schubert, but here he's playing the little watchmaker like Scriabin. Yes, the two were contemporaries but they require diametrically opposed playing styles. Scriabin requires the notes to fly and the pianist with them using all sorts of bravura and extreme rubato. With Ravel he keeps the pianist in the air, just by playing straight. A lot of the passages just don't work unless you do play them straight. In that Roge and Perlemuter give more rounded performances of this one.
@adriancook7078
@adriancook7078 3 жыл бұрын
@@mikehutton3937 Style I think is something that comes later. Style is more the shape of the playing, its verve and sweep. See Toscanini for this. But here I am speaking about the touch, the tone, the way the hand actually rests on the piano for a split second before playing and the weight of the whole body adjusts accordingly in that short time and caresses the sound. That is something that is unique to Rubinstein. He actually shared that secret with Maurizio Polini as he said so himself in an interview and Ziimmerman was a 'student' of Rubinstein but it seems that neither of them have the patience to put that into full operation. Maybe that is what Rubinstein himself did when he took 3 years off from concertising at the age of 47.
@mikehutton3937
@mikehutton3937 3 жыл бұрын
​@@adriancook7078 Zimerman's touch is pretty much unsurpassed, partly because he use his own customized piano so he has more control. His exceptional touch allows him to bring out internal melodies lacking in pretty much everyone else's performances, and this performance is a case in point. But here the trouble is not the tone (conpromised by the recording, but crystalline and deep when you can get past the excessive reverb in the recording) but the interpretation. Ravel doesn't work properly unless you play it straight and fluid. Zimerman does a Barenboim with this at times, and I almost can't hear Ravel as a result. The last waltz is particularly disturbing - Ravel's timings are very specific, and the waltz loses coherence with all the unspecified tempo changes. In contrast Rubinstein plays it without the necessary fluidity and it sounds stilted and lacking in elan. This is Ravel, not Brahms (or Debussy for that matter). Tone comes after style. Rubinstein's technique is more to do with stamina than tone. The primary advantage it gives you is that you can maintain your strength so you don't have to resort to hammering the keys in loud passages. If you look at Zimerman's hands, they're as close to the keyboard as anyone's, including Rubinstein's. He is using Rubinstein's technique. There is no hammering - no "Bang" as you put it other than the effect caused by the recording. If you want to be really picky you shouldn't really be playing Ravel on a Steinway. A Pleyel has a warmer and lighter tone and is much more suitable.
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